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And it's a big win too. Is it just the first, or the first and last?Andy_JS said:2 -
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Except as has been pointed out there is not equivalence between what is going on in terms of contract provision and the response to both sides facing supply issues.bigjohnowls said:
That some posters are hypocriteskle4 said:
Even if someone on here did, are you actually suggesting that random yahoos mouthing off on a forum has equivalence with the might of the EU Commission deciding to actually do so?bigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
Seriously, I don't even know what point you are trying to make.
In favour of Vaccine Nationalism when it benefits "us"
Against vaccine Nationalism when it favours "them"
IMO Vaccine Nationalism is bad no ifs no buts
You're presenting both viewpoints as equally at fault.
And even if some people are being hypocrites, it doesn't hugely matter what people say, it matters more what they do.
People on here will say a lot of crap, but who knows if they'd follow through in a position of responsibility or not.0 -
Can you point to a message saying that I certainly don't remember any. The thought occurs you are making it up because eu good uk badbigjohnowls said:
That some posters are hypocriteskle4 said:
Even if someone on here did, are you actually suggesting that random yahoos mouthing off on a forum has equivalence with the might of the EU Commission deciding to actually do so?bigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
Seriously, I don't even know what point you are trying to make.
In favour of Vaccine Nationalism when it benefits "us"
Against vaccine Nationalism when it favours "them"
IMO Vaccine Nationalism is bad no ifs no buts1 -
I am one of his harshest critics but I even think he has grown up a bit this week. He was starting from a very low base but even so....MarqueeMark said:One element of the current shitshow from the EU is how much potential it has to enhance Boris. Brexit - easier to argue it was the right thing to do. Vaccine role out - so good, it is driving the EU crazy to the point they want to disrupt it/steal it. All whilst he stands above the fray, looking like a statesman.
All in the week he apologised for 100,000 dead.
Damn, it's been 5 days to remember.1 -
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Who had bets on Johnson being on the side of sanity and reason?Floater said:https://twitter.com/lukemcgee/status/1355253624004370440
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This is not the time for soundbites, but I feel the hand of history on my shoulder as we shut the stable door after 100,000+ dead horse have bolted.'MarqueeMark said:One element of the current shitshow from the EU is how much potential it has to enhance Boris. Brexit - easier to argue it was the right thing to do. Vaccine role out - so good, it is driving the EU crazy to the point they want to disrupt it/steal it. All whilst he stands above the fray, looking like a statesman.
All in the week he apologised for 100,000 dead.
Damn, it's been 5 days to remember.0 -
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OH come on - I find his posts a very useful way of seeing stuff I'd have missed. It's not as if other posters aren't relentlessly reactionary in their selection of tweets to bring to our attention.Richard_Tyndall said:
There are plenty of anti Johnson and anti Brexit posters on here who are excellent contributors and their leaving would be a real loss to the site.Mexicanpete said:
The hostility on here addressed to you by your fellow Conservatives, just because you consider Brexit and PM Johnson to both be monumental errors, is becoming quite unpleasant.Scott_xP said:
We seem to be losing a few anti-Johnson, anti-Brexit posters, which is a shame. I can see why. If the only acceptable opinion becomes pro-Johnson and anti -EU the site is diminished, and it has always been a great site.
Then there is Scott n paste....2 -
Probably because the Government is trying to be emollient and keep things calm.bigjohnowls said:
Presumably "we"or Pfizer have a plan B to get "our" 2nd Pfizer vaccines on time.RobD said:
This isn't even vaccine nationalism, it's vaccine stealing.bigjohnowls said:
That some posters are hypocriteskle4 said:
Even if someone on here did, are you actually suggesting that random yahoos mouthing off on a forum has equivalence with the might of the EU Commission deciding to actually do so?bigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
Seriously, I don't even know what point you are trying to make.
In favour of Vaccine Nationalism when it benefits "us"
Against vaccine Nationalism when it favours "them"
IMO Vaccine Nationalism is bad no ifs no buts
Or maybe we dont need a plan B
I see vaccine minister nadhim zahawi said only yesterday he is confident there will be no disruption
Plan B, if needed, might be to ask Pfizer if we can have enough American production to get all the required second doses done (if needed, I've no idea how far short we may or may not be if we were to stop using the remaining supply for first jabs.)
But we're not at that stage yet. Once again, all the EU has done so far is issue threats and shuffle paper.0 -
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1355253348560236546
Bloody hell - i don't want to live in "interesting times" anymore4 -
Yeah definitely. PB is half discussion forum half news aggregator which often spurs the discussion.Carnyx said:
OH come on - I find his posts a very useful way of seeing stuff I'd have missed. It's not as if other posters aren't relentlessly reactionary in their selection of tweets to bring to our attention.Richard_Tyndall said:
There are plenty of anti Johnson and anti Brexit posters on here who are excellent contributors and their leaving would be a real loss to the site.Mexicanpete said:
The hostility on here addressed to you by your fellow Conservatives, just because you consider Brexit and PM Johnson to both be monumental errors, is becoming quite unpleasant.Scott_xP said:
We seem to be losing a few anti-Johnson, anti-Brexit posters, which is a shame. I can see why. If the only acceptable opinion becomes pro-Johnson and anti -EU the site is diminished, and it has always been a great site.
Then there is Scott n paste....0 -
I need a translation of that: IFR?DougSeal said:
Also this.maaarsh said:
There was a constant rate of decline for the first 2 weeks of lockdown and now, 3 weeks after the vaccine effort ramped up, it has accelerated -stodge said:
It may be the vaccine - it may be lockdown restrictions having an impact.maaarsh said:
29k is more than 25% down week on week despite a 14% increase in number of tests - this week the percentage decline has been accelerating off the very stable path it had been on - good reason to be optimistic we're seeing the vaccine start to have an impact.
The transport use numbers are informative - car traffic about half of pre-Covid levels, tube passenger numbers 15% of pre-Covid levels, national rail passenger numbers 13% of pre-Covid levels.
People ARE staying home and following the guidelines and inevitably that is reducing contacts and therefore transmissions. Is the vaccine having an impact? I'd argue not as many of those vaccinated were effectively shielding,
The more worrying story is how the second wave was fuelled by employers dragging staff back to offices and only paying lip service to Covid related health and hygiene guidelines.
This nonsense, perpetrated by Johnson among others, was seized on by companies with weak or non-existent remote IT capability, to compel workers back into offices.
https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1355187197180334084
Seems rather unlikely that lockdown compliance has suddenly increased when cases were already falling. Combined with the hospital admissions falling much faster for over 85s than unders, I think we can see what is happening.
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True, but I still think you'll look in vain for EU flags flying in Peterhead. I don't entirely buy the "teething problems" schtick, but things will improve.Carnyx said:
Hmmm Except that they'd have been buying the fish and still are, if the fish are brought into Denmark. Which is more than Mr J is doing. Shame about the processors.Burgessian said:
As it happens I agree it is a sh!tshow. Only saving grace is that the alternative, the welcoming arms of the EU & CFP, isn't exactly looking terribly attractive just now.Carnyx said:
Further - some are losing a MILLION a week in turnover. Not the same thing as net losses, but still it's a lot when we add it up over, say, three months. That's of the order of 10-20% of the entire 23m for one firm.Carnyx said:
23 million? You've got individual firms losing business worth thousands each WEEK.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You have not answered my questionTheuniondivvie said:
You're quite petulant under the harmless old chuff veneer, ain't you?Big_G_NorthWales said:
How is Nicola Sturgeon's love affair with the EU going thenTheuniondivvie said:
Not like Sky, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why when he tells the truthbigjohnowls said:
How're the in-laws descended from 300 generations of fisherfolk doing with BJ's fantastic deal for fishing?
And 23 million now for the fishing industry loses, plus 100 million investment to develop UK wide fishing over the next five years is far better than being in the CFP and under the ridiculous EU, who have trashed their brand in a way that was totally unexpected
Still think the London Tories give a shit for the fisherfolk now thet have their Brexit? I don't.
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-drives-scottish-seafood-crisis-not-happier-fish/0 -
On the Day Today sketch we're at the sanctions bit.FrancisUrquhart said:2 -
Actually Blair could have said all of that after 2003Theuniondivvie said:
This is not the time for soundbites, but I feel the hand of history on my shoulder as we shut the stable door after 100,000+ dead horse have bolted.'MarqueeMark said:One element of the current shitshow from the EU is how much potential it has to enhance Boris. Brexit - easier to argue it was the right thing to do. Vaccine role out - so good, it is driving the EU crazy to the point they want to disrupt it/steal it. All whilst he stands above the fray, looking like a statesman.
All in the week he apologised for 100,000 dead.
Damn, it's been 5 days to remember.0 -
Look at the kind of influence we've given up on by being outside the tentFloater said:3 -
The Shagster is a jammy bastard, isn't he ?Mexicanpete said:
And it's a big win too. Is it just the first, or the first and last?Andy_JS said:
Basically, in the entire pandemic, he has got one thing right.
The most important thing.
If you were told at outset you could only get one thing right, you'd choose the vaccines.
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They reckon 37% of people in London have now had it (and therefore the IFR is very low).Fysics_Teacher said:
I need a translation of that: IFR?DougSeal said:
Also this.maaarsh said:
There was a constant rate of decline for the first 2 weeks of lockdown and now, 3 weeks after the vaccine effort ramped up, it has accelerated -stodge said:
It may be the vaccine - it may be lockdown restrictions having an impact.maaarsh said:
29k is more than 25% down week on week despite a 14% increase in number of tests - this week the percentage decline has been accelerating off the very stable path it had been on - good reason to be optimistic we're seeing the vaccine start to have an impact.
The transport use numbers are informative - car traffic about half of pre-Covid levels, tube passenger numbers 15% of pre-Covid levels, national rail passenger numbers 13% of pre-Covid levels.
People ARE staying home and following the guidelines and inevitably that is reducing contacts and therefore transmissions. Is the vaccine having an impact? I'd argue not as many of those vaccinated were effectively shielding,
The more worrying story is how the second wave was fuelled by employers dragging staff back to offices and only paying lip service to Covid related health and hygiene guidelines.
This nonsense, perpetrated by Johnson among others, was seized on by companies with weak or non-existent remote IT capability, to compel workers back into offices.
https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1355187197180334084
Seems rather unlikely that lockdown compliance has suddenly increased when cases were already falling. Combined with the hospital admissions falling much faster for over 85s than unders, I think we can see what is happening.
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That just seems inherently wrong. Even the most pro-EU person defending the right of the Commission to trigger it no matter what Dublin thought about it surely would agree that they should be required to tell Dublin first?Floater said:
It's easy to be cute about this, but given that, and the talk about the UK's lack of solidarity with the EU causing this...somehow, I'm not sure everyone agrees on what solidarity means.2 -
The question is if the firms survive that long. Anyway we will see.Burgessian said:
True, but I still think you'll look in vain for EU flags flying in Peterhead. I don't entirely buy the "teething problems" schtick, but things will improve.Carnyx said:
Hmmm Except that they'd have been buying the fish and still are, if the fish are brought into Denmark. Which is more than Mr J is doing. Shame about the processors.Burgessian said:
As it happens I agree it is a sh!tshow. Only saving grace is that the alternative, the welcoming arms of the EU & CFP, isn't exactly looking terribly attractive just now.Carnyx said:
Further - some are losing a MILLION a week in turnover. Not the same thing as net losses, but still it's a lot when we add it up over, say, three months. That's of the order of 10-20% of the entire 23m for one firm.Carnyx said:
23 million? You've got individual firms losing business worth thousands each WEEK.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You have not answered my questionTheuniondivvie said:
You're quite petulant under the harmless old chuff veneer, ain't you?Big_G_NorthWales said:
How is Nicola Sturgeon's love affair with the EU going thenTheuniondivvie said:
Not like Sky, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why when he tells the truthbigjohnowls said:
How're the in-laws descended from 300 generations of fisherfolk doing with BJ's fantastic deal for fishing?
And 23 million now for the fishing industry loses, plus 100 million investment to develop UK wide fishing over the next five years is far better than being in the CFP and under the ridiculous EU, who have trashed their brand in a way that was totally unexpected
Still think the London Tories give a shit for the fisherfolk now thet have their Brexit? I don't.
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-drives-scottish-seafood-crisis-not-happier-fish/0 -
"Bricking up the Channel Tunnel" would suggest YesRichard_Tyndall said:
Nobigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII0 -
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Infection Fatality Rate IIRCFysics_Teacher said:
I need a translation of that: IFR?DougSeal said:
Also this.maaarsh said:
There was a constant rate of decline for the first 2 weeks of lockdown and now, 3 weeks after the vaccine effort ramped up, it has accelerated -stodge said:
It may be the vaccine - it may be lockdown restrictions having an impact.maaarsh said:
29k is more than 25% down week on week despite a 14% increase in number of tests - this week the percentage decline has been accelerating off the very stable path it had been on - good reason to be optimistic we're seeing the vaccine start to have an impact.
The transport use numbers are informative - car traffic about half of pre-Covid levels, tube passenger numbers 15% of pre-Covid levels, national rail passenger numbers 13% of pre-Covid levels.
People ARE staying home and following the guidelines and inevitably that is reducing contacts and therefore transmissions. Is the vaccine having an impact? I'd argue not as many of those vaccinated were effectively shielding,
The more worrying story is how the second wave was fuelled by employers dragging staff back to offices and only paying lip service to Covid related health and hygiene guidelines.
This nonsense, perpetrated by Johnson among others, was seized on by companies with weak or non-existent remote IT capability, to compel workers back into offices.
https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1355187197180334084
Seems rather unlikely that lockdown compliance has suddenly increased when cases were already falling. Combined with the hospital admissions falling much faster for over 85s than unders, I think we can see what is happening.
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What comes next? "Appropriate measures"RobD said:
On the Day Today sketch we're at the sanctions bit.FrancisUrquhart said:1 -
What total and utter bollocks....admit it you can't point to a single post where someone has suggested we should keep vaccines from the EU take your europhilia and use it as a suppositorybigjohnowls said:
"Bricking up the Channel Tunnel" would suggest YesRichard_Tyndall said:
Nobigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII0 -
There you go again, and thoseRichard_Tyndall said:
There are plenty of anti Johnson and anti Brexit posters on here who are excellent contributors and their leaving would be a real loss to the site.Mexicanpete said:
The hostility on here addressed to you by your fellow Conservatives, just because you consider Brexit and PM Johnson to both be monumental errors, is becoming quite unpleasant.Scott_xP said:
We seem to be losing a few anti-Johnson, anti-Brexit posters, which is a shame. I can see why. If the only acceptable opinion becomes pro-Johnson and anti -EU the site is diminished, and it has always been a great site.
Then there is Scott n paste....
people who have "liked" your post. To be fair you were not someone I had in mind when I posted.
Carlotta re-posts anti, EU, pro-Union, pro-Conservative tweets and articles throughout the days. I have no problem with either re-posting, In fact it saves me researching myself. Nonetheless the reaction to each poster is less than even handed.0 -
Helping out Ireland with vaccinations sounds like a very good idea. I hope it can be organised.2
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Yep, personally I think the only real online sin is suggesting other forum users should be banned (outside racists, abuse etc, though even then that might result certain types coming back with new identities).Carnyx said:
OH come on - I find his posts a very useful way of seeing stuff I'd have missed. It's not as if other posters aren't relentlessly reactionary in their selection of tweets to bring to our attention.Richard_Tyndall said:
There are plenty of anti Johnson and anti Brexit posters on here who are excellent contributors and their leaving would be a real loss to the site.Mexicanpete said:
The hostility on here addressed to you by your fellow Conservatives, just because you consider Brexit and PM Johnson to both be monumental errors, is becoming quite unpleasant.Scott_xP said:
We seem to be losing a few anti-Johnson, anti-Brexit posters, which is a shame. I can see why. If the only acceptable opinion becomes pro-Johnson and anti -EU the site is diminished, and it has always been a great site.
Then there is Scott n paste....0 -
John voted for Brexit.Pagan2 said:
What total and utter bollocks....admit it you can't point to a single post where someone has suggested we should keep vaccines from the EU take your europhilia and use it as a suppositorybigjohnowls said:
"Bricking up the Channel Tunnel" would suggest YesRichard_Tyndall said:
Nobigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII0 -
BTW - greetings to recent delurkers. Great to see you. Hope a few more appear as well.10
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They reckon 37% of people in London have now had it (and therefore the IFR is very low).Fysics_Teacher said:
I need a translation of that: IFR?DougSeal said:
Also this.maaarsh said:
There was a constant rate of decline for the first 2 weeks of lockdown and now, 3 weeks after the vaccine effort ramped up, it has accelerated -stodge said:
It may be the vaccine - it may be lockdown restrictions having an impact.maaarsh said:
29k is more than 25% down week on week despite a 14% increase in number of tests - this week the percentage decline has been accelerating off the very stable path it had been on - good reason to be optimistic we're seeing the vaccine start to have an impact.
The transport use numbers are informative - car traffic about half of pre-Covid levels, tube passenger numbers 15% of pre-Covid levels, national rail passenger numbers 13% of pre-Covid levels.
People ARE staying home and following the guidelines and inevitably that is reducing contacts and therefore transmissions. Is the vaccine having an impact? I'd argue not as many of those vaccinated were effectively shielding,
The more worrying story is how the second wave was fuelled by employers dragging staff back to offices and only paying lip service to Covid related health and hygiene guidelines.
This nonsense, perpetrated by Johnson among others, was seized on by companies with weak or non-existent remote IT capability, to compel workers back into offices.
https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1355187197180334084
Seems rather unlikely that lockdown compliance has suddenly increased when cases were already falling. Combined with the hospital admissions falling much faster for over 85s than unders, I think we can see what is happening.
https://twitter.com/DevanSinha/status/13551806647825489951 -
Talking about inserting things, has @Leon seen the Private Eye of a week or two back? There is a story (in Funny Old World) about ceramic dildines.Pagan2 said:
What total and utter bollocks....admit it you can't point to a single post where someone has suggested we should keep vaccines from the EU take your europhilia and use it as a suppositorybigjohnowls said:
"Bricking up the Channel Tunnel" would suggest YesRichard_Tyndall said:
Nobigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII0 -
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DougSeal said:
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And also thanks.Benpointer said:
Infection Fatality Rate IIRCFysics_Teacher said:
I need a translation of that: IFR?DougSeal said:
Also this.maaarsh said:
There was a constant rate of decline for the first 2 weeks of lockdown and now, 3 weeks after the vaccine effort ramped up, it has accelerated -stodge said:
It may be the vaccine - it may be lockdown restrictions having an impact.maaarsh said:
29k is more than 25% down week on week despite a 14% increase in number of tests - this week the percentage decline has been accelerating off the very stable path it had been on - good reason to be optimistic we're seeing the vaccine start to have an impact.
The transport use numbers are informative - car traffic about half of pre-Covid levels, tube passenger numbers 15% of pre-Covid levels, national rail passenger numbers 13% of pre-Covid levels.
People ARE staying home and following the guidelines and inevitably that is reducing contacts and therefore transmissions. Is the vaccine having an impact? I'd argue not as many of those vaccinated were effectively shielding,
The more worrying story is how the second wave was fuelled by employers dragging staff back to offices and only paying lip service to Covid related health and hygiene guidelines.
This nonsense, perpetrated by Johnson among others, was seized on by companies with weak or non-existent remote IT capability, to compel workers back into offices.
https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1355187197180334084
Seems rather unlikely that lockdown compliance has suddenly increased when cases were already falling. Combined with the hospital admissions falling much faster for over 85s than unders, I think we can see what is happening.
https://twitter.com/DevanSinha/status/1355180664782548995
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They've come under pressure and shown themselves giving in to weak impulses - avoidance, blame shifting, unsubstantiated accusations.Richard_Tyndall said:
This is a bad day for the EU but it is not fatal. And is probably less of a potential threat than during the Greek financial crisis.williamglenn said:
But it should be a fatal day (jobs wise) for some of the individuals representing the EU who are not serving their organisation or their citizens well.
There are so many very talented individuals at their disposal, some proven in a crisis, this cannot be the best they have.0 -
I am a Brexit voter but unlike you would have liked a softer BREXITPagan2 said:
What total and utter bollocks....admit it you can't point to a single post where someone has suggested we should keep vaccines from the EU take your europhilia and use it as a suppositorybigjohnowls said:
"Bricking up the Channel Tunnel" would suggest YesRichard_Tyndall said:
Nobigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII0 -
The stretched twig of peace is at melting pointRobD said:
On the Day Today sketch we're at the sanctions bit.FrancisUrquhart said:1 -
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Is Nicola Sturgeon the only one not going to come out against this? 🤔Floater said:Come on people - give it up for the EU!!!
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Genius!Floater said:Come on people - give it up for the EU!!!
https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/13552555762515271711 -
Doesnt mean he cant be wrong he should put up a quote or shut up with his claimsTheScreamingEagles said:
John voted for Brexit.Pagan2 said:
What total and utter bollocks....admit it you can't point to a single post where someone has suggested we should keep vaccines from the EU take your europhilia and use it as a suppositorybigjohnowls said:
"Bricking up the Channel Tunnel" would suggest YesRichard_Tyndall said:
Nobigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII0 -
She also makes a large number of posts which are her own words, opinions and interpretations. Scott does none of these things. He just posts tweets and articles he thinks will help his cause - often it seems without even reading them as the body of articles often contradicts what he thinks is said in the headline.Mexicanpete said:
There you go again, and thoseRichard_Tyndall said:
There are plenty of anti Johnson and anti Brexit posters on here who are excellent contributors and their leaving would be a real loss to the site.Mexicanpete said:
The hostility on here addressed to you by your fellow Conservatives, just because you consider Brexit and PM Johnson to both be monumental errors, is becoming quite unpleasant.Scott_xP said:
We seem to be losing a few anti-Johnson, anti-Brexit posters, which is a shame. I can see why. If the only acceptable opinion becomes pro-Johnson and anti -EU the site is diminished, and it has always been a great site.
Then there is Scott n paste....
people who have "liked" your post. To be fair you were not someone I had in mind when I posted.
Carlotta re-posts anti, EU, pro-Union, pro-Conservative tweets and articles throughout the days. I have no problem with either re-posting, In fact it saves me researching myself. Nonetheless the reaction to each poster is less than even handed.
There is a world of difference between Scott and Carlotta.4 -
And this from the Irish Times:CarlottaVance said:
Northern Ireland first minister Arlene Foster branded the EU’s triggering of Article 16 an “incredible act of hostility” while Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald called it a “grave error’.
There, the Shinners are onboard. We now have the UK Government, the Irish Coalition Government, Labour, the SDLP, the Alliance, the DUP and Sinn Fein all on the same side. A full house.1 -
When I used to do athletics I was once drafted in to do a 400m hurdles because someone hadn't turned up. Never done it before. The coach told me that the most important hurdle not to hit was the last one.YBarddCwsc said:
The Shagster is a jammy bastard, isn't he ?Mexicanpete said:
And it's a big win too. Is it just the first, or the first and last?Andy_JS said:
Basically, in the entire pandemic, he has got one thing right.
The most important thing.
If you were told at outset you could only get one thing right, you'd choose the vaccines.3 -
I don't care what you voted, show a link from someone saying we should cut of eu vaccines? That is what you allegedbigjohnowls said:
I am a Brexit voter but unlike you would have liked a softer BREXITPagan2 said:
What total and utter bollocks....admit it you can't point to a single post where someone has suggested we should keep vaccines from the EU take your europhilia and use it as a suppositorybigjohnowls said:
"Bricking up the Channel Tunnel" would suggest YesRichard_Tyndall said:
Nobigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII0 -
Marching in lockstep does not require the willingness of the other party, just their inability to do anything about it.CarlottaVance said:
I'm gobsmacked that the Commission is at the 'This is for your own good' stage with Ireland. I'm sure nothing will come of it, but it's just plain rude to not consult them.0 -
She does seem remarkably quietPhilip_Thompson said:
Is Nicola Sturgeon the only one not going to come out against this? 🤔Floater said:Come on people - give it up for the EU!!!
https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/13552555762515271712 -
It's just like bitcoin now. Actually slightly better in that its registered bitcoin.FrancisUrquhart said:I game GameStonk is still going on...back up to 323...
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Missing the SNP, no?Black_Rook said:
And this from the Irish Times:CarlottaVance said:
Northern Ireland first minister Arlene Foster branded the EU’s triggering of Article 16 an “incredible act of hostility” while Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald called it a “grave error’.
There, the Shinners are onboard. We now have the UK Government, the Irish Coalition Government, Labour, the SDLP, the Alliance, the DUP and Sinn Fein all on the same side. A full house.0 -
Chris Grayling combined with Gavin Williamson level incompetency.Andy_JS said:3 -
Completely off topic (although linked to a bit of a discussion earlier) I have been watching "The Brokenwood Mysteries", a sort of New Zeeland version of Midsomer Murders. Would recommend to those who like their crime dramas not too gritty (and don't mind a steady stream of Country and Western on the soundtrack).1
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I know of no other poster who does nothing but report articles and tweets - often with no actual value to the debate - and who makes no other contribution to the site at all.Carnyx said:
OH come on - I find his posts a very useful way of seeing stuff I'd have missed. It's not as if other posters aren't relentlessly reactionary in their selection of tweets to bring to our attention.Richard_Tyndall said:
There are plenty of anti Johnson and anti Brexit posters on here who are excellent contributors and their leaving would be a real loss to the site.Mexicanpete said:
The hostility on here addressed to you by your fellow Conservatives, just because you consider Brexit and PM Johnson to both be monumental errors, is becoming quite unpleasant.Scott_xP said:
We seem to be losing a few anti-Johnson, anti-Brexit posters, which is a shame. I can see why. If the only acceptable opinion becomes pro-Johnson and anti -EU the site is diminished, and it has always been a great site.
Then there is Scott n paste....1 -
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To be fair - she may have got herself in quite the bindRobD said:
Missing the SNP, no?Black_Rook said:
And this from the Irish Times:CarlottaVance said:
Northern Ireland first minister Arlene Foster branded the EU’s triggering of Article 16 an “incredible act of hostility” while Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald called it a “grave error’.
There, the Shinners are onboard. We now have the UK Government, the Irish Coalition Government, Labour, the SDLP, the Alliance, the DUP and Sinn Fein all on the same side. A full house.
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Translation - oh shit, we dropped quite the bollock there haven't weScott_xP said:5 -
Waiting with bated breath for how this is all going to play out, I would think. There is scope here for deep and lasting damage to the EU-UK relationship. That would have implications.Floater said:
She does seem remarkably quietPhilip_Thompson said:
Is Nicola Sturgeon the only one not going to come out against this? 🤔Floater said:Come on people - give it up for the EU!!!
https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/13552555762515271710 -
What a mess but the EU always have Nicola to call onBlack_Rook said:
And this from the Irish Times:CarlottaVance said:
Northern Ireland first minister Arlene Foster branded the EU’s triggering of Article 16 an “incredible act of hostility” while Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald called it a “grave error’.
There, the Shinners are onboard. We now have the UK Government, the Irish Coalition Government, Labour, the SDLP, the Alliance, the DUP and Sinn Fein all on the same side. A full house.0 -
Pah, soft Brexiteers - traitors in the eyes of the People's Front of Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:
John voted for Brexit.Pagan2 said:
What total and utter bollocks....admit it you can't point to a single post where someone has suggested we should keep vaccines from the EU take your europhilia and use it as a suppositorybigjohnowls said:
"Bricking up the Channel Tunnel" would suggest YesRichard_Tyndall said:
Nobigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII1 -
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If the EU do cave, HMG will be on the phone to Pfizer to say they are changing their domicile from Whitehall to Stormont.2
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Wow. They have finally united Ireland!!Floater said:Come on people - give it up for the EU!!!
https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/13552555762515271711 -
Stop the clocks - it could be a long night!Scott_xP said:0 -
Lol - surely you print and scan???FrancisUrquhart said:
Chris Grayling combined with Gavin Williamson level incompetency.Andy_JS said:0 -
He's still more valuable than someone repeatedly posting, to the exclusion of all else, that there won't be a new Scottish Referendum because the Tories won't permit it. Not that anyone would I am sure.Richard_Tyndall said:
She also makes a large number of posts which are her own words, opinions and interpretations. Scott does none of these things. He just posts tweets and articles he thinks will help his cause - often it seems without even reading them as the body of articles often contradicts what he thinks is said in the headline.Mexicanpete said:
There you go again, and thoseRichard_Tyndall said:
There are plenty of anti Johnson and anti Brexit posters on here who are excellent contributors and their leaving would be a real loss to the site.Mexicanpete said:
The hostility on here addressed to you by your fellow Conservatives, just because you consider Brexit and PM Johnson to both be monumental errors, is becoming quite unpleasant.Scott_xP said:
We seem to be losing a few anti-Johnson, anti-Brexit posters, which is a shame. I can see why. If the only acceptable opinion becomes pro-Johnson and anti -EU the site is diminished, and it has always been a great site.
Then there is Scott n paste....
people who have "liked" your post. To be fair you were not someone I had in mind when I posted.
Carlotta re-posts anti, EU, pro-Union, pro-Conservative tweets and articles throughout the days. I have no problem with either re-posting, In fact it saves me researching myself. Nonetheless the reaction to each poster is less than even handed.
There is a world of difference between Scott and Carlotta.1 -
Resignations of UVDL and others are requiredBlack_Rook said:
Waiting with bated breath for how this is all going to play out, I would think. There is scope here for deep and lasting damage to the EU-UK relationship. That would have implications.Floater said:
She does seem remarkably quietPhilip_Thompson said:
Is Nicola Sturgeon the only one not going to come out against this? 🤔Floater said:Come on people - give it up for the EU!!!
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Indeed and nothing goes up my arseBenpointer said:
Pah, soft Brexiteers - traitors in the eyes of the People's Front of Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:
John voted for Brexit.Pagan2 said:
What total and utter bollocks....admit it you can't point to a single post where someone has suggested we should keep vaccines from the EU take your europhilia and use it as a suppositorybigjohnowls said:
"Bricking up the Channel Tunnel" would suggest YesRichard_Tyndall said:
Nobigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
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Or Reunited the UK.Richard_Tyndall said:
Wow. They have finally united Ireland!!Floater said:Come on people - give it up for the EU!!!
https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/13552555762515271710 -
Sturgeon's been very quiet this evening.1
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For years I used to find supposedly redacted data on official precinct election canvass reports, for precincts with very small number of ballots, where all the votes cast in a particular race were for the same candidate.Andy_JS said:From earlier today.
https://twitter.com/lijukic/status/1355164987212390402
For some elections in some counties (which shall remain nameless) the numbers would be redacted on pdfs, however if you copied the data and uploaded it into a spreadsheet, the redacted numbers would appear.
Reckon there are many more examples out there in the wide, wild world of IT.0 -
Presumably someone has realised that invoking Article 16 (which we have all suddenly become experts on, particularly me) means gives cover for the UK government to do exactly the same thing from our end; after all if the EU insists on customs checks on the RoI/NI border then the need for a border in the Irish Sea goes away.1
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The last week has been like one of those days when a mad, brilliant hacker takes over an official Twitter account, and sends out crazy, hilarious, foul mouthed, and self harming tweets.
Except it’s the entire Brussels elite that got hacked. And Macron2 -
Wait until Mark finds out the DUP and Sinn Fein are in government together, their partnership goes back to 2007.Floater said:Come on people - give it up for the EU!!!
https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/13552555762515271711 -
Your though process sounds like the logic one would anticipate from Andrew RT Davies.YBarddCwsc said:
The Shagster is a jammy bastard, isn't he ?Mexicanpete said:
And it's a big win too. Is it just the first, or the first and last?Andy_JS said:
Basically, in the entire pandemic, he has got one thing right.
The most important thing.
If you were told at outset you could only get one thing right, you'd choose the vaccines.
Personally, I don't think vaccine provision, masterminded by Cummings should be Johnson's get out of jail free card. It is an enormous victory for an incumbent, however the PPE debacle, track and trace, locking down late, opening up early, and horrific fatalities should not be forgotten. As you hinted some weeks ago, perhaps Johnson's earlier dereliction of duties should see him sharing Drakeford's cell.
Your statement is something akin to "OK so I caused the motorway pile up, but despite the carnage and death toll, I saved the minibus full of Nuns, therefore I am exempt from a death by dangerous driving rap"!0 -
Nah, it's not Scotland.RobD said:
Fear not, @HYUFD is already making preparations for a blockade run.bigjohnowls said:
Presumably "we"or Pfizer have a plan B to get "our" 2nd Pfizer vaccines on time.RobD said:
This isn't even vaccine nationalism, it's vaccine stealing.bigjohnowls said:
That some posters are hypocriteskle4 said:
Even if someone on here did, are you actually suggesting that random yahoos mouthing off on a forum has equivalence with the might of the EU Commission deciding to actually do so?bigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
Seriously, I don't even know what point you are trying to make.
In favour of Vaccine Nationalism when it benefits "us"
Against vaccine Nationalism when it favours "them"
IMO Vaccine Nationalism is bad no ifs no buts
Or maybe we dont need a plan B
I see vaccine minister nadhim zahawi said only yesterday he is confident there will be no disruption0 -
It would be funny if they can't find a legal way to backtrack without excluding the UK from their export ban.CarlottaVance said:9 -
Hmm, I was with you until that last sentence.Fysics_Teacher said:Completely off topic (although linked to a bit of a discussion earlier) I have been watching "The Brokenwood Mysteries", a sort of New Zeeland version of Midsomer Murders. Would recommend to those who like their crime dramas not too gritty (and don't mind a steady stream of Country and Western on the soundtrack).
Sometimes you're in the mood for The Killing, sometimes you want a Midsomer Murders, so I'm down.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MNZALcCzSgbigjohnowls said:
"Bricking up the Channel Tunnel" would suggest YesRichard_Tyndall said:
Nobigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII0 -
I am assuming as you keep posting but have failed to back up your assertion you are recanting...I think most will unless you back it upbigjohnowls said:
Indeed and nothing goes up my arseBenpointer said:
Pah, soft Brexiteers - traitors in the eyes of the People's Front of Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:
John voted for Brexit.Pagan2 said:
What total and utter bollocks....admit it you can't point to a single post where someone has suggested we should keep vaccines from the EU take your europhilia and use it as a suppositorybigjohnowls said:
"Bricking up the Channel Tunnel" would suggest YesRichard_Tyndall said:
Nobigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
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I once ran an entire sex discrimination case based upon someone forgetting to accept the tracked changes when sending the contract to m client.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
For years I used to find supposedly redacted data on official precinct election canvass reports, for precincts with very small number of ballots, where all the votes cast in a particular race were for the same candidate.Andy_JS said:From earlier today.
https://twitter.com/lijukic/status/1355164987212390402
For some elections in some counties (which shall remain nameless) the numbers would be redacted on pdfs, however if you copied the data and uploaded it into a spreadsheet, the redacted numbers would appear.
Reckon there are many more examples out there in the wide, wild world of IT.0 -
BJ statesman-like reticencePulpstar said:Sturgeon's been very quiet this evening.
Sturgeon's been very quiet0 -
We were talking about baldy greek earlier on...does he ever pass up a media opportunity? He was on CH4 talking about GameStonk.0
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I'm not generally a fan of use of the term u-turn, but this seems like it would be a very appropriate usage.CarlottaVance said:
Perhaps the EU finally has realised they took their rhetoric too far and need to dial it back, as neither the UK nor AZ are playing ball to look super unreasonable and help them out.1 -
You think that would be funny.williamglenn said:
It would be funny if they can't find a legal way to backtrack without excluding the UK from their export ban.CarlottaVance said:
Seriously mate you have a problem0 -
Oh, I don't think there was much doubt.....about the competence & judgment of VdL for a start
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Never going to happen. She's 'fought hard' for EU citizens, they're going to punish that?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Resignations of UVDL and others are requiredBlack_Rook said:
Waiting with bated breath for how this is all going to play out, I would think. There is scope here for deep and lasting damage to the EU-UK relationship. That would have implications.Floater said:
She does seem remarkably quietPhilip_Thompson said:
Is Nicola Sturgeon the only one not going to come out against this? 🤔Floater said:Come on people - give it up for the EU!!!
https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/13552555762515271710 -
The Scots, the Northern Irish, and the Welsh. I'm not so sure that the average British person cares. Shameful for them. They should pull up their socks. No-one is gong to care much for them if they nip off to the EU either.Richard_Tyndall said:
Wow. They have finally united Ireland!!Floater said:Come on people - give it up for the EU!!!
https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/13552555762515271710 -
Malc will be on tomorrow to tell us that the sainted Nicola is impervious and therefore untouchable 🤣🤣🤣Pulpstar said:Sturgeon's been very quiet this evening.
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"Oh, hi, Mark!"MarqueeMark said:BTW - greetings to recent delurkers. Great to see you. Hope a few more appear as well.
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We're chatting on a political blog late on a Friday night. Of course we'd find that funny.bigjohnowls said:
You think that would be funny.williamglenn said:
It would be funny if they can't find a legal way to backtrack without excluding the UK from their export ban.CarlottaVance said:
Seriously mate you have a problem3 -
And to be fair I'm not sure what either could say that would help at this stage.Theuniondivvie said:
BJ statesman-like reticencePulpstar said:Sturgeon's been very quiet this evening.
Sturgeon's been very quiet
Not that that usually stops most politicians.0
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