Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.
Have you read the article? 1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories 2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on” 3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation." 4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_en
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction: The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
May I suggest you go back to Rochdale's question and think about your answer.
Live exports have far tighter restrictions (but far higher market prices) than frozen products.
The exports you are comparing us to are both very different and far more of a bulk none premium product.
May I suggest his question was a pathetic attempt to fix on something in my response that he found somewhat whimsical, to cover up the fact that his entire argument, that you can't export fish into the EU from outside it, is now nothing more than a smouldering crater.
It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU. It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so. It is clear that this includes fresh fish, as well as crustaceans and molluscs - that information is also provided in the information I posted.
Since it is clearly not impossible, or even unprofitable, to sell fish to the EU, from countries further afield than the UK, it then becomes quite clear that these are administrative problems that can be worked on, some being solved in days, some in weeks, a few in months. Unfortunately that doesn't help the hand-flapping argument of the Scottish Government and associated hangers on that it's all an insoluble feature of not being in the EU.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?
Business as usual at mine, and the mask up pretty well anyway.
Have you been? During lockdown?
Yes, twice this year.
ETA and they are doing check ups, hygienists etc as usual.
My position is I don't want to be edentate any more than I want covid, so get it done before lockdown mark X prohibits it.
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.
Have you read the article? 1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories 2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on” 3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation." 4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_en
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction: The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
The thing about frozen fish is that its frozen. If the refrigerated trailer it's packed in loses an extra few days queuing for customs there's no harm to the product. So its not an issue for frozen imports from Vietnam.
Fresh fish? That has to be shipped quickly. Which makes its market local. Which makes your map of the globe only to demonstrate your ignorance of the topic on which you are posting.
It is Fresh Fish that is rotting. Not frozen. "It doesn't work eh" because you can't ship fresh fish from fucking Vietnam or America or wherever. Eh. So the process doesn't work for these other countries, eh, because it doesn't.
You are like Philip. Clueless. But desperate to defend the government. So post guff.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?
Business as usual at mine, and the mask up pretty well anyway.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?
Just get a toothbrush and clean them yourself.
My consumption of strong coffee and red wine means they need a pro
Black tea is I am sure doing bad things to mine. I can't remember the last time I went to the dentist to be honest, probably at least 3 years ago. British people are meant to have horrible teeth.
The most amazing thing is that anyone is in the least bit surprised that our fishing and seafood industry is being absolutely pole-axed by Brexit. That was just about the most obvious of all the obvious consequences of Brexit, once it became clear that for reasons of pure ideology we weren't going to do what was necessary to retain EU sanitary and phytosanitary approval. It's pretty bad for our other food exports, but for a product which absolutely has to be delivered spanking fresh it is disastrous.
No doubt things will improve a little once the government gets round to writing and testing some computer systems and telling people what the rules are (rules which we've known about for decades, since we helped write them and have long been enforcing for third-country imports ourselves), but there will still be a massive medium-term hit.
This was of course very widely warned about. But the half-wit government we've landed ourselves with simply ignored the issue.
For farmers it's not so bad - while we used to sell fresh lamb they can keep things as they were but just sell mutton instead.
They'll still be able to sell fresh lamb, albeit with a lot of extra hassle, vets' bills and red tape. Thank goodness we at least got a thin deal, so lamb exports won't be subject to a tariff of around 45%; that would have been a real killer in the 'Britain will prosper mightily' scenario.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?
Of course you should go if you can - I went yesterday. Extraction.
AFAIK it is important stuff only - at least it is with our dental practice. No chance of a regular check up or a visit to hygienist (which I presume you are referring to) round here.
I`m worried me about my children who haven`t had check ups for over a year.
I got an appointment Monday. Cleaning. Which is pretty crucial if you haven’t had it done for a year
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.
Have you read the article? 1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories 2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on” 3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation." 4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_en
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction: The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
The thing about frozen fish is that its frozen. If the refrigerated trailer it's packed in loses an extra few days queuing for customs there's no harm to the product. So its not an issue for frozen imports from Vietnam.
Fresh fish? That has to be shipped quickly. Which makes its market local. Which makes your map of the globe only to demonstrate your ignorance of the topic on which you are posting.
It is Fresh Fish that is rotting. Not frozen. "It doesn't work eh" because you can't ship fresh fish from fucking Vietnam or America or wherever. Eh. So the process doesn't work for these other countries, eh, because it doesn't.
You are like Philip. Clueless. But desperate to defend the government. So post guff.
READ THE QUOTE AGAIN.
READ THE WORD IN BOLD.
Tell me which countries export fresh (the word in bold) fish to the EU...
My wife is doing a 4 hour shift at a vaccination centre this afternoon. I have asked her to count how many she does in that time period
That would be useful information to know.
If spread betting, I'd go for just under 500
At my mother's (her again!) local hospital vaccine centre they were doing 350 a day a fortnight ago and were expecting to ramp up the following week (1st week of Jan) to 500.
This was with immediate registration on entrance, waiting 1 min, then 3 min assessment filling in the forms online with one doctor (nurse? not sure), 1 min waiting, 2 mins with the doctor (they had several rooms each with a doctor in) who assessed her in person and administered the jab, and waiting the 15 minutes marshalled by one orderly.
While we were there (22 mins! ) there was minimal waiting and there were about 5-10 people at any one time in the 15 minute waiting area.
Let someone on PB disaggregate that and work out likely vaccination rates.
Edit: they seemed very not busy but it could easily have been very good planning for throughput.
It looks like it varies according to vaccine then.
Local football stadium.
Today: straight in the door (just turn up on or near appointment time). Three desks. Who are you (computer form), here's your card, here's your AZN jab, next. Rate limited by speed of vaccination and form filling. 5 minutes in and out.
Last week: Who are you, here's your card and sticker with your exit time, here's your Pfizer jab, sit over there until your exit time, next. Rate limited by number of chairs (30-35). 20 minutes in and out.
I think there could be various variables.
So my Dad had his vaccine on Tuesday. Was in, vaccinated and seated for his 15min wait in the space of 2 -3 min. Very impressive.
Next day, same location, same vaccine a friend of his had a 2.5 hour wait.
Sounds like, as you would expect, they are running on the Ryanair model - Very slick, going for high turnover efficiency. But when something goes wrong in the critical path it crashes.
I have to say, in the current circumstances, this is the correct way to do it. You want the high turnover, so if it goes wrong the punter has to suck it up rather than building in contingencies (although I would have been frustrated if it happened to me).
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
Anyone know what the rules are about going for a short ride in car (within 5 miles) (not getting out of car at any point). No risk obviously, but common sense seems out of fashion.
Daughter upset because her driving lessons have stopped and wants to go out with me with L plates on in a nearby industrial estate for a practice. I don`t want to get nicked.
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.
Have you read the article? 1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories 2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on” 3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation." 4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_en
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction: The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
May I suggest you go back to Rochdale's question and think about your answer.
Live exports have far tighter restrictions (but far higher market prices) than frozen products.
The exports you are comparing us to are both very different and far more of a bulk none premium product.
May I suggest his question was a pathetic attempt to fix on something in my response that he found somewhat whimsical, to cover up the fact that his entire argument, that you can't export fish into the EU from outside it, is now nothing more than a smouldering crater.
It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU. It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so. It is clear that this includes fresh fish, as well as crustaceans and molluscs - that information is also provided in the information I posted.
Since it is clearly not impossible, or even unprofitable, to sell fish to the EU, from countries further afield than the UK, it then becomes quite clear that these are administrative problems that can be worked on, some being solved in days, some in weeks, a few in months. Unfortunately that doesn't help the hand-flapping argument of the Scottish Government and associated hangers on that it's all an insoluble feature of not being in the EU.
But frozen fish is a commodity product worth less than 10% of it's fresh equivalent and without any of strict limits that fresh fish has where it's value drops by the hour.
The fact you can't see that article is combining very different things and treating them as a single product pretending that fresh and frozen fish are identical is a problem you have - it's not one me or Rochdale have.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
May/June? That's just unbelievable.
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.
Have you read the article? 1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories 2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on” 3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation." 4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_en
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction: The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
May I suggest you go back to Rochdale's question and think about your answer.
Live exports have far tighter restrictions (but far higher market prices) than frozen products.
The exports you are comparing us to are both very different and far more of a bulk none premium product.
May I suggest his question was a pathetic attempt to fix on something in my response that he found somewhat whimsical, to cover up the fact that his entire argument, that you can't export fish into the EU from outside it, is now nothing more than a smouldering crater.
It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU. It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so. It is clear that this includes fresh fish, as well as crustaceans and molluscs - that information is also provided in the information I posted.
Since it is clearly not impossible, or even unprofitable, to sell fish to the EU, from countries further afield than the UK, it then becomes quite clear that these are administrative problems that can be worked on, some being solved in days, some in weeks, a few in months. Unfortunately that doesn't help the hand-flapping argument of the Scottish Government and associated hangers on that it's all an insoluble feature of not being in the EU.
There is no logical through road from "The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled" to "It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU. It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so." What proportion is fresh, from which countries, and how much money is involved?
Black tea is I am sure doing bad things to mine. I can't remember the last time I went to the dentist to be honest, probably at least 3 years ago. British people are meant to have horrible teeth.
You really should go, as soon as you can given the pandemic. It's not the teeth per se you should worry about, it's gum disease, which can lead to disagreeable consequences and is difficult to treat once it gets hold.
A friend of mine (in his 30s undergoing chemotherapy) has been booked in to get his vaccination at the start of February. Will need to take a 2 week pause in his chemo beforehand.
So they're starting to book in Priority Group 4 it seems.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?
Of course you should go if you can - I went yesterday. Extraction.
AFAIK it is important stuff only - at least it is with our dental practice. No chance of a regular check up or a visit to hygienist (which I presume you are referring to) round here.
I`m worried me about my children who haven`t had check ups for over a year.
I got an appointment Monday. Cleaning. Which is pretty crucial if you haven’t had it done for a year
Scale and polish won't really help if you've got stained teeth (coffee and red wine). You should get some Crest whitestrips.
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.
Have you read the article? 1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories 2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on” 3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation." 4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_en
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction: The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
The thing about frozen fish is that its frozen. If the refrigerated trailer it's packed in loses an extra few days queuing for customs there's no harm to the product. So its not an issue for frozen imports from Vietnam.
Fresh fish? That has to be shipped quickly. Which makes its market local. Which makes your map of the globe only to demonstrate your ignorance of the topic on which you are posting.
It is Fresh Fish that is rotting. Not frozen. "It doesn't work eh" because you can't ship fresh fish from fucking Vietnam or America or wherever. Eh. So the process doesn't work for these other countries, eh, because it doesn't.
You are like Philip. Clueless. But desperate to defend the government. So post guff.
READ THE QUOTE AGAIN.
READ THE WORD IN BOLD.
But it isn't quantified, is it? Flouncy capitals = losing the argument.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?
I wouldn't, Leon. Unless there is a truly contentious kissing issue with a significant other I'd just stay at home with the bad mouth until this is over.
Black tea is I am sure doing bad things to mine. I can't remember the last time I went to the dentist to be honest, probably at least 3 years ago. British people are meant to have horrible teeth.
You really should go, as soon as you can given the pandemic. It's not the teeth per se you should worry about, it's gum disease, which can lead to disagreeable consequences and is difficult to treat once it gets hold.
Thanks, maybe I should schedule something. I got out of the habit because the dentist would only offer NHS appointments during work hours so I could never go. Not going private.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
May/June? That's just unbelievable.
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?
Business as usual at mine, and the mask up pretty well anyway.
Another big bus I missed during the Brexit campaign - "There will be lots more paperwork - suck it up!".
Don't know how you missed it, Remainers bleated on about it loads.
But in any case, in a referendum it is the job of Remainers to provide the reasons against leaving. If they didn't put it on a bus, have a word with them for not bothering.
Are you the same Philip Thompson who said during the referendum campaign that you personally favoured the EEA but that the type of Brexit was "a debate for the future" and advocated a second referendum on joining the EEA?
Yes that is in March 2016 that is me. My views changed in 2016 from Remain, to EEA to fully out as the campaign progressed based on the arguments of the campaign.
The referendum wasn't in March it was in June 2016 and by June EEA had been ruled out by Boris and Gove etc
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?
Of course you should go if you can - I went yesterday. Extraction.
AFAIK it is important stuff only - at least it is with our dental practice. No chance of a regular check up or a visit to hygienist (which I presume you are referring to) round here.
I`m worried me about my children who haven`t had check ups for over a year.
I got an appointment Monday. Cleaning. Which is pretty crucial if you haven’t had it done for a year
You prompted me to give it a go. Much to my surprise I got in with dental hygienist next Thursday. They apologised that prices had gone up due to PPE, disinfecting etc - £99 ! Wow. That`s a 100% increase.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
May/June? That's just unbelievable.
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.
Then build more, subsidise BioNTech to build more, we knew this was coming for a year. The UK government literally paid AZ to build UK manufacturing capacity for the Oxford vaccine. It was, iirc, one of the reasons we didn't go into the EU scheme because it would not have covered what we were planning with onshoring the AZ/Ox vaccine and we'd have had to scale back our ambitions to just a standard purchase agreement with AZ procuring supply from the Serum Institute of India and a few smaller scale manufacturers in Europe and America and nothing domestic.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
How do they suppose they are going to get out of all this?
Even banning travel from Portugal as well as an obvious transit point.
Let's read the small print. Does he mean "arrivals" (or specifically "anyone who has been present in country X in the last 14 days") or does he mean "flights"?
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
May/June? That's just unbelievable.
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.
Then build more, subsidise BioNTech to build more, we knew this was coming for a year. The UK government literally paid AZ to build UK manufacturing capacity for the Oxford vaccine. It was, iirc, one of the reasons we didn't go into the EU scheme because it would not have covered what we were planning with onshoring the AZ/Ox vaccine and we'd have had to scale back our ambitions to just a standard purchase agreement with AZ procuring supply from the Serum Institute of India and a few smaller scale manufacturers in Europe and America and nothing domestic.
Yes the EU should have done so a year ago.
It's a shame they didn't but it's not something that can be fixed rapidly now.
BBC News really going for that coveted No Shit Sherlock Award:
"Covid has 'calamitous impact' on surgery wait times"
Why do they think we have had a series of lockdowns to stop the NHS crashing further?
Also, in the same issue, clearly in the running for both the Shoe-horning Advertising Our Programming into Covid News Award AND the Who Really Gives A Fuck? Award:
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
May/June? That's just unbelievable.
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.
Then build more, subsidise BioNTech to build more, we knew this was coming for a year. The UK government literally paid AZ to build UK manufacturing capacity for the Oxford vaccine. It was, iirc, one of the reasons we didn't go into the EU scheme because it would not have covered what we were planning with onshoring the AZ/Ox vaccine and we'd have had to scale back our ambitions to just a standard purchase agreement with AZ procuring supply from the Serum Institute of India and a few smaller scale manufacturers in Europe and America and nothing domestic.
Yes the EU should have done so a year ago.
It's a shame they didn't but it's not something that can be fixed rapidly now.
And who is being held accountable for that error. The UK government had the foresight to onshore manufacturing and include priority supply clauses in it's Pfizer and J&J contracts as they weren't going to be manufactured here. Who pays the price in the EU for not paying BioNTech to build capacity in Germany? If the German government were running their own scheme I have absolutely no doubt that domestic manufacturing would have been part of the deal.
May I suggest his question was a pathetic attempt to fix on something in my response that he found somewhat whimsical, to cover up the fact that his entire argument, that you can't export fish into the EU from outside it, is now nothing more than a smouldering crater.
It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU. It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so. It is clear that this includes fresh fish, as well as crustaceans and molluscs - that information is also provided in the information I posted.
Since it is clearly not impossible, or even unprofitable, to sell fish to the EU, from countries further afield than the UK, it then becomes quite clear that these are administrative problems that can be worked on, some being solved in days, some in weeks, a few in months. Unfortunately that doesn't help the hand-flapping argument of the Scottish Government and associated hangers on that it's all an insoluble feature of not being in the EU.
You can't easily import FRESH fish. Nobody said anything about frozen you halfwit.
Read the report that you posted. There is no breakdown of Fresh imports from the rest of the world. In the data tables it only refers to "Fresh and Chilled". And non-EU includes Norway. Which is in the EEA. And doesn't require the paperwork that we do.
You're as bad as Philip with your strawmen arguments.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
May/June? That's just unbelievable.
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.
Then build more, subsidise BioNTech to build more, we knew this was coming for a year. The UK government literally paid AZ to build UK manufacturing capacity for the Oxford vaccine. It was, iirc, one of the reasons we didn't go into the EU scheme because it would not have covered what we were planning with onshoring the AZ/Ox vaccine and we'd have had to scale back our ambitions to just a standard purchase agreement with AZ procuring supply from the Serum Institute of India and a few smaller scale manufacturers in Europe and America and nothing domestic.
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.
Have you read the article? 1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories 2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on” 3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation." 4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_en
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction: The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
The thing about frozen fish is that its frozen. If the refrigerated trailer it's packed in loses an extra few days queuing for customs there's no harm to the product. So its not an issue for frozen imports from Vietnam.
Fresh fish? That has to be shipped quickly. Which makes its market local. Which makes your map of the globe only to demonstrate your ignorance of the topic on which you are posting.
It is Fresh Fish that is rotting. Not frozen. "It doesn't work eh" because you can't ship fresh fish from fucking Vietnam or America or wherever. Eh. So the process doesn't work for these other countries, eh, because it doesn't.
You are like Philip. Clueless. But desperate to defend the government. So post guff.
READ THE QUOTE AGAIN.
READ THE WORD IN BOLD.
Tell me which countries export fresh (the word in bold) fish to the EU...
Hint it's not Vietnam or the USA...
Its going to be Norway. Or Iceland. In the EEA. Unlike the UK.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
May/June? That's just unbelievable.
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.
Then build more, subsidise BioNTech to build more, we knew this was coming for a year. The UK government literally paid AZ to build UK manufacturing capacity for the Oxford vaccine. It was, iirc, one of the reasons we didn't go into the EU scheme because it would not have covered what we were planning with onshoring the AZ/Ox vaccine and we'd have had to scale back our ambitions to just a standard purchase agreement with AZ procuring supply from the Serum Institute of India and a few smaller scale manufacturers in Europe and America and nothing domestic.
Yes the EU should have done so a year ago.
It's a shame they didn't but it's not something that can be fixed rapidly now.
"It's a shame" seems like pathetically weak phraseology for what appears to be a public health disaster playing out in real time.
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.
Have you read the article? 1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories 2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on” 3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation." 4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_en
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction: The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
May I suggest you go back to Rochdale's question and think about your answer.
Live exports have far tighter restrictions (but far higher market prices) than frozen products.
The exports you are comparing us to are both very different and far more of a bulk none premium product.
May I suggest his question was a pathetic attempt to fix on something in my response that he found somewhat whimsical, to cover up the fact that his entire argument, that you can't export fish into the EU from outside it, is now nothing more than a smouldering crater.
It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU. It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so. It is clear that this includes fresh fish, as well as crustaceans and molluscs - that information is also provided in the information I posted.
Since it is clearly not impossible, or even unprofitable, to sell fish to the EU, from countries further afield than the UK, it then becomes quite clear that these are administrative problems that can be worked on, some being solved in days, some in weeks, a few in months. Unfortunately that doesn't help the hand-flapping argument of the Scottish Government and associated hangers on that it's all an insoluble feature of not being in the EU.
There is no logical through road from "The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled" to "It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU. It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so." What proportion is fresh, from which countries, and how much money is involved?
Supplementary detail is always useful, but as it goes, there absolutely is a logical connection between those two points.
We are being told the additional requirements under our current trade deal (which don't forget means no tariffs on fish exports) are not teething problems, but an insurmountable barrier to exporting fish into the EU. That is a position that is utterly insupportable by actual facts.
England: 248,177 total jabs yesterday, 239,815 first, 8,362 second. Total up 32% day on day, first 38%, second down 37%
248k, not enough again.
Needs to keep trending sharply upwards.
That's England only data, will be another 25-40k from NI, Scotland and Wales.
With 16k from Scotland that might be a tad optimistic.
That seems a bit slow, is there bad weather holding it up? Wales did 10k yesterday and NI 7.2k first jabs and 2.5k second jabs. Even a repeat performance takes the UK total over 280k which I think is pretty decent, especially if they are almost all first jabs.
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.
Have you read the article? 1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories 2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on” 3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation." 4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_en
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction: The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
May I suggest you go back to Rochdale's question and think about your answer.
Live exports have far tighter restrictions (but far higher market prices) than frozen products.
The exports you are comparing us to are both very different and far more of a bulk none premium product.
May I suggest his question was a pathetic attempt to fix on something in my response that he found somewhat whimsical, to cover up the fact that his entire argument, that you can't export fish into the EU from outside it, is now nothing more than a smouldering crater.
It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU. It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so. It is clear that this includes fresh fish, as well as crustaceans and molluscs - that information is also provided in the information I posted.
Since it is clearly not impossible, or even unprofitable, to sell fish to the EU, from countries further afield than the UK, it then becomes quite clear that these are administrative problems that can be worked on, some being solved in days, some in weeks, a few in months. Unfortunately that doesn't help the hand-flapping argument of the Scottish Government and associated hangers on that it's all an insoluble feature of not being in the EU.
There is no logical through road from "The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled" to "It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU. It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so." What proportion is fresh, from which countries, and how much money is involved?
Supplementary detail is always useful, but as it goes, there absolutely is a logical connection between those two points.
We are being told the additional requirements under our current trade deal (which don't forget means no tariffs on fish exports) are not teething problems, but an insurmountable barrier to exporting fish into the EU. That is a position that is utterly insupportable by actual facts.
FRESH fish. From outside the EEA not just the EU. Importing fresh fish from Norway into the UK - what your link shows - is not importing fresh fish from a 3rd country into the EU.
You hadn't actually read the report when you posted it, had you?
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.
Have you read the article? 1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories 2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on” 3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation." 4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_en
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction: The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
The thing about frozen fish is that its frozen. If the refrigerated trailer it's packed in loses an extra few days queuing for customs there's no harm to the product. So its not an issue for frozen imports from Vietnam.
Fresh fish? That has to be shipped quickly. Which makes its market local. Which makes your map of the globe only to demonstrate your ignorance of the topic on which you are posting.
It is Fresh Fish that is rotting. Not frozen. "It doesn't work eh" because you can't ship fresh fish from fucking Vietnam or America or wherever. Eh. So the process doesn't work for these other countries, eh, because it doesn't.
You are like Philip. Clueless. But desperate to defend the government. So post guff.
READ THE QUOTE AGAIN.
READ THE WORD IN BOLD.
Tell me which countries export fresh (the word in bold) fish to the EU...
Hint it's not Vietnam or the USA...
Its going to be Norway. Or Iceland. In the EEA. Unlike the UK.
Norway aren't in the customs union though so what is fundamentally different?
"A regional breakdown of England's vaccines rollout shows the Midlands leading the way in the number of jabs administered, while London has the lowest vaccination rate."
Midlands has surely got an older population than London? Can think of lots of people who retired to Staffordshire from the Smoke (sell that mid-size that needs a bit of work for a huge sum, live like a king in a gorgeous house in Lichfield for the rest of your life.)
Lichfield though
It's a long tradition on PB of people who hate London, have never lived in London, have no wish to live in London, telling Londoners how much money/space they could 'gain' by living in Not London.
What they don't seem to grasp is that many of us love London, don't want to leave London and have no desire whatsoever to live in Lichfield.
I like both of them. And it's only an hour by train.
I love London and am sure the millions who live there do so as well
Only 50 mins by train for me. I happily wander around going from cafe to cafe. Sometimes it can get a bit OCD - with me vetting possible cafes before committing myself. Key features are proper espresso machine (obvs) and comfy chair (sofa ideally) to sit and people-watch. Easter maybe?
The flaneur. Book on lap, eyes elsewhere. Coffee lasts an age. Great thing to do.
The flaneur. That's what they call it in Paris. In London? - no equivalent term sadly.
Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!
May/June? That's just unbelievable.
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.
Then build more, subsidise BioNTech to build more, we knew this was coming for a year. The UK government literally paid AZ to build UK manufacturing capacity for the Oxford vaccine. It was, iirc, one of the reasons we didn't go into the EU scheme because it would not have covered what we were planning with onshoring the AZ/Ox vaccine and we'd have had to scale back our ambitions to just a standard purchase agreement with AZ procuring supply from the Serum Institute of India and a few smaller scale manufacturers in Europe and America and nothing domestic.
Yes the EU should have done so a year ago.
It's a shame they didn't but it's not something that can be fixed rapidly now.
"It's a shame" seems like pathetically weak phraseology for what appears to be a public health disaster playing out in real time.
Of course the answer isn't as simple as it would seem. In an EU scheme subsidies become a lightning rod for arguments over where the money gets spent. If Germany says "BioNTech is a German company, we will keep the manufacturing here" then France says "It's EU money so that means Sanofi deserves the same subsidy for manufacturing in France" and Belgium pipes up and says "well then Valneva needs a bung too" and what was originally a scheme for purchasing vaccines becomes a new vehicle for pharma subsidies, no contracts are signed because of the interminable arguments over which company gets which subsidies and where the jobs land.
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.
Have you read the article? 1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories 2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on” 3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation." 4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_en
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction: The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
The thing about frozen fish is that its frozen. If the refrigerated trailer it's packed in loses an extra few days queuing for customs there's no harm to the product. So its not an issue for frozen imports from Vietnam.
Fresh fish? That has to be shipped quickly. Which makes its market local. Which makes your map of the globe only to demonstrate your ignorance of the topic on which you are posting.
It is Fresh Fish that is rotting. Not frozen. "It doesn't work eh" because you can't ship fresh fish from fucking Vietnam or America or wherever. Eh. So the process doesn't work for these other countries, eh, because it doesn't.
You are like Philip. Clueless. But desperate to defend the government. So post guff.
READ THE QUOTE AGAIN.
READ THE WORD IN BOLD.
Tell me which countries export fresh (the word in bold) fish to the EU...
Hint it's not Vietnam or the USA...
Its going to be Norway. Or Iceland. In the EEA. Unlike the UK.
Norway aren't in the customs union though so what is fundamentally different?
Is that not a question you asked yourself on your journey from Remain to Hard Brexit?
"A regional breakdown of England's vaccines rollout shows the Midlands leading the way in the number of jabs administered, while London has the lowest vaccination rate."
Midlands has surely got an older population than London? Can think of lots of people who retired to Staffordshire from the Smoke (sell that mid-size that needs a bit of work for a huge sum, live like a king in a gorgeous house in Lichfield for the rest of your life.)
Lichfield though
It's a long tradition on PB of people who hate London, have never lived in London, have no wish to live in London, telling Londoners how much money/space they could 'gain' by living in Not London.
What they don't seem to grasp is that many of us love London, don't want to leave London and have no desire whatsoever to live in Lichfield.
I like both of them. And it's only an hour by train.
I love London and am sure the millions who live there do so as well
Only 50 mins by train for me. I happily wander around going from cafe to cafe. Sometimes it can get a bit OCD - with me vetting possible cafes before committing myself. Key features are proper espresso machine (obvs) and comfy chair (sofa ideally) to sit and people-watch. Easter maybe?
The flaneur. Book on lap, eyes elsewhere. Coffee lasts an age. Great thing to do.
The flaneur. That's what they call it in Paris. In London? - no equivalent term sadly.
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It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU.
It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so.
It is clear that this includes fresh fish, as well as crustaceans and molluscs - that information is also provided in the information I posted.
Since it is clearly not impossible, or even unprofitable, to sell fish to the EU, from countries further afield than the UK, it then becomes quite clear that these are administrative problems that can be worked on, some being solved in days, some in weeks, a few in months. Unfortunately that doesn't help the hand-flapping argument of the Scottish Government and associated hangers on that it's all an insoluble feature of not being in the EU.
ETA and they are doing check ups, hygienists etc as usual.
My position is I don't want to be edentate any more than I want covid, so get it done before lockdown mark X prohibits it.
READ THE WORD IN BOLD.
Needs to keep trending sharply upwards.
https://caanberry.com/is-football-index-a-ponzi-scheme/
Can anyone explain the absolutely bloody dismal returns in France and Spain?
Hint it's not Vietnam or the USA...
So my Dad had his vaccine on Tuesday. Was in, vaccinated and seated for his 15min wait in the space of 2 -3 min. Very impressive.
Next day, same location, same vaccine a friend of his had a 2.5 hour wait.
Sounds like, as you would expect, they are running on the Ryanair model - Very slick, going for high turnover efficiency. But when something goes wrong in the critical path it crashes.
I have to say, in the current circumstances, this is the correct way to do it. You want the high turnover, so if it goes wrong the punter has to suck it up rather than building in contingencies (although I would have been frustrated if it happened to me).
248k in ENGLAND is great.
The fact you can't see that article is combining very different things and treating them as a single product pretending that fresh and frozen fish are identical is a problem you have - it's not one me or Rochdale have.
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1349710776869773313?s=20
Yes, apologies, just seen my error.
Pretty darned good!
So they're starting to book in Priority Group 4 it seems.
Keep the pressure on the government.
Mind you Nice had snow last weekend so it's not the typical weather down there.
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1349745992099364868
Even banning travel from Portugal as well as an obvious transit point.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1349744734139514880?s=20
*Steve Baker, legend in his own lunchtime.....
"Brisk turnout at the West Meads vaccination centre..."
"Quiet this morning, but it's ramping up now..."
"My wife texted me to say they are really busy..."
"If it continues like this, we'll hit 270K by tomorrow..."
Brittas will still be complaining though. Should be doing 8 days a week, 25hrs hrs a day.
It's a shame they didn't but it's not something that can be fixed rapidly now.
"Covid has 'calamitous impact' on surgery wait times"
Why do they think we have had a series of lockdowns to stop the NHS crashing further?
Also, in the same issue, clearly in the running for both the Shoe-horning Advertising Our Programming into Covid News Award AND the Who Really Gives A Fuck? Award:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-55650668
Get the old Quattro up another gear with the pharmacies coming online over the next few days, might be seeing 350k per day by end of next week.
Read the report that you posted. There is no breakdown of Fresh imports from the rest of the world. In the data tables it only refers to "Fresh and Chilled". And non-EU includes Norway. Which is in the EEA. And doesn't require the paperwork that we do.
You're as bad as Philip with your strawmen arguments.
Now for 500k.
We are being told the additional requirements under our current trade deal (which don't forget means no tariffs on fish exports) are not teething problems, but an insurmountable barrier to exporting fish into the EU. That is a position that is utterly insupportable by actual facts.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=latest&country=ALB~AND~AUT~BLR~BEL~BIH~BGR~HRV~CYP~CZE~DNK~EST~FIN~FRA~DEU~GRC~HUN~ISL~IRL~ITA~OWID_KOS~LVA~LIE~LTU~LUX~MLT~MDA~MCO~MNE~NLD~MKD~NOR~POL~PRT~ROU~RUS~SMR~SRB~SVK~SVN~ESP~SWE~CHE~UKR~GBR~VAT®ion=World&vaccinationsMetric=true&interval=total&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=total_vaccinations_per_hundred&pickerSort=desc
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/4yijjbkc2z/econTabReport.pdf#table.161
With those all having had at least one dose, that should have a significant effect on deaths in the coming weeks.
https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP/status/1349750699136065545?s=20
You hadn't actually read the report when you posted it, had you?
The public want this sorted, but sorted properly. However long it takes. March or April at the earliest.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/22/grant-shapps-tory-green-aliens-stewart-lee
The flaneur. That's what they call it in Paris. In London? - no equivalent term sadly.
Get it sorted properly by the Spring. Not a half-arsed half-measure.
Going well for Macron... how many vaccines are they on now?
So with Corbyn and Leonard gone, just Drakeford of the home nation Corbynista Labour leaders left to remove
Any remaining Tankies in ScotLab will then depart, as they will think he's a Tory.