Which is what @MaxPB and others were banging on about months ago.
That's self reported as well which is going to have an element of people lying to themselves saying that trip to Tesco doesn't count because it was necessary, or that walk where they didn't meet anyone definitely doesn't count. If we did it with GPS tracking after a positive test we'd actually see isolation at closer to 10-15%.
We have gone from 40% --> 60% complete compliance at a time when the rates of covid in the population have gone through the roof.
Either we have a small number of prodigious super-spreaders - or people are getting Covid when they do their on-line shopping....
Or people are spreading this asymptomatically and presymptomatically.
If everyone is on average spreading it to one person, then if someone perfectly isolates after getting a positive test but they've already spread it to someone else before they tested positive then that meets the average.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
Quite, but this will be a slow burn that will continue for the forseeable future. People will gradually hear more about it as businesses incur more costs and, in some cases, close down completely as they can no longer sell profitably to the EU. And of course many significant areas of economic activity, like financial services, are now at the EU's mercy since the terms of future trading are largely unknown and subject to side agreements over which the UK has no leverage.
Or, there will be a period of quite severe hassle and cost, followed by a couple of years of wearisome readjustment, then we will adapt and realise there are actually some serious benefits and new opportunities - which there will be. And Brexit will recede forever.
The best analogy is a painful divorce from an unhappy but long lasting marriage. You have to split the house. All those shared possessions. Who gets them? Ugh. You move somewhere smaller. You miss the big garden. You don’t miss the endless bickering...
Then you realise you are now free. Self reliant. You meet someone else. You have fun again.
Or you belatedly realise she was the love of your life. All the hot chicks you thought would flock your way think you're just a sad weird old man. You still have to meet your ex wife all the time to discuss boring custody and alimony issues - the same arguing as before, but without the make up sex afterwards. She seems to be managing fine without you. You find yourself increasingly reliant on specialist hand crafted sex toys to find any joy in life. As you tuck into another tasteless TV dinner for one, binge watching Cash in the Attic and fingering the flint dildo, you find yourself asking, where did it all go wrong?
Lol. Nicely done.
Except that, of course, the EU was never ‘the love of my life’ for anyone but ScottP. The idea is preposterous. We only married for money, not for love, and that was the problem. Those kind of marriages are always somewhat toxic and generally doomed in the long term. So the rest of the analogy falls away.
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
"David Noble, whose Aegirfish buys from Scottish fleets to export to Europe, said he would have to pay between £500 to £600 per day for paperwork, wiping out most profit.
His concern is that this marks more than just teething problems, and says he cannot pass on the higher costs of doing business."
The next two weeks are going to be exceptionally grim. Peak deaths, peak hospitalisations, peak winter cold, peak horror death pits. And at the end, the tax bill.
I find this cheering. Just two more weeks. Then you start to notice the slightly brighter evenings.
Tomorrow is meteorological midwinter.
12 hours and counting of snow. Not hard but persistent here. Youngest unhappy there is no snow day when the schools are Online.
Finished watching The Pembrokeshire Murders last night. Not a bad police procedural but simply couldn't get over Luke Evans' spooky resemblance to David Milliband.
I liked it too. Solid. Low key. Did the job. Just like the investigation it featured.
Moving on to Serpent now. Saw Ep.1 and it was a bit grim but will continue.
Have been making my way steadily through Black Mirror these past few months and if ever there's a tv series not to watch right now...
The Serpent is a great disappointment. Such potential. Cracking true story. Love the locations.
But the narrative leaps about like a live bat in a red hot wok. Absurdly over complicated. And the accents...
Shame.
I was pondering setting up a spreadsheet and that was only Ep.1. Two years back...20 years forward..24 years back...two years forward...
sheesh.
It gets WORSE in episode 2. That’s where I gave up
Yesterday our niece started work in the Blackburn vaccination centre. In the cathedral crypt. Day one was a training day - jabbing should start on Monday.
She is a dentist, so hopefully won't try and inject folk in the gum, rather than the arm.
It made me take a step back and think about how much work is going in to setting up the centres, staffing them up, getting people trained, setting up logistical chains, contacting the public.
Good for her, curiously though these steps are happening before we let our pharmacies, who do millions of flu jabs every year, get involved. (I think the first 6 pharmacies are just about to start).
They've already started administering it.
But why only in 6 pharmacies if we are getting vets and other volunteers involved?
I don't know. I don't think there will only be six though.
I made a comment yesterday that there were likely to be big geographical differences in vaccination rates. Just heard another anecdote.
My parents (78 and 72) are in Berkshire near Reading and they haven't been contacted yet about their vaccines. They have a friend who is closer to Reading who is 71 and has their vaccination scheduled for today. Meanwhile my 84 year old father in law in Buckinghamshire has not heard anything.
If this situation goes further out of line then I can see this becoming an issue. Particularly if some locations get through the top 4 priority groups and then start on the rest whilst some parts of the country are still well behind.
Especially if it turns out that the North is missing out or that certain deprived postcodes aren't getting supplies and so on.
A lot of it depends on how proactice surgeries are. In Southampton some surgeries have got through their 80+ people and are now moving on to their 75+ . Others have barely done any.
Currently I think it's logistics that are the issue as Pfizer has complex requirements.
From memory Southampton University Hospital is a hub so moving that vaccine around Southampton is so much easier than say South Cumbria where the nearest hub is Carlisle.
The difference between neighbouring surgeries in Southampton is remarkable.
As with so much with the NHS. You need pointy elbows and to shout loudly to get just about anything done.
I would bet those surgeries with the vaccine were pro-active; those without were/are still waiting to be contacted.
If you are elderly and turn up looking confused or weak many places will assume you are always like that.
A friend had a treatable bone cancer but turned up in a bit of a state due to a calcium imbalance. She was given a week or so by the first doctor and effectively consigned to the bin. Once her daughter turned up and pointed out that, no, this wasn't her normal state someone actually looked and found the problem. She is still going 2 years later, as once the treatment started the service was fine.
A similar thing happened to my Dad when he had an infection (which often causes dementia-like symptoms). I had to be there to say - no, this isn't normal, look again.
Not everywhere is like that, but...
Sorry to be late responding but abso-bloody-lutely. Sadly a very familiar-type story.
Mine was that my mother (89yrs old at the time) had water on the brain. Which for all the world presents like a doddering, dementia-y 89yr old. It rapidly deteriorated so she was unable to walk/talk/etc. Dementia/age they said. Except there were key symptoms and causes. Which the NHS simply did not (choose to?) address.
It was left to my sister and google overnight (literally for 10 hours) to unpick the condition, the symptoms and then make a diagnosis. We then took that to the doctors and after *a lot* of pushing, quite nasty at times tbh, they accepted it, took action, and finally treated her for it. She is now playing chess with me in person and with her granddaughters online and still has the odd game of online scrabble with her scrabble club.
Time and time again left to its own devices the NHS will simply not bother, or does not have the organisational structure to make the extra effort.
Yikes.
I don't know if it is institutional, individuals, or just that doctors and staff are too busy. I'd like to believe the 'too busy' explanation but I'm not convinced. It seems to be discrimination based on prejudice.
In a horrible piece of irony, the (not terribly old) doctor that gave the friend a week to live died of Covid. Never send to know...
It sounds like individual incompetence rather than specifically NHS, as I have seen similar tales from the private sector and from other lands.
It is an old medical saw that you should listen to the patient as they are trying to tell you the diagnosis.
I have also seen people being assertive enough to be over investigated into a mess of iatrogenic disease. Perhaps the worst was a person given a brain stem stroke by an unnecessary angiography.
Foxy anecdata abounds about this (three on this board so far have mentioned it) in the NHS. No idea about private, perhaps it does perhaps it doesn't.
And as I said, if you poke, you will find many people you know with a similar experience. Now of course it's also a numbers game. The NHS is the only show in town and hence of course there are going to be issues. A 99.9% success rate with the millions of people it treats means there will be a substantial number of problems.
But the problems all seem to have a similar theme - conditions being overlooked and that's only the ones that we are aware of. When I visited my mother in her ward full of super-oldies there were visitors there I would say for about 20% of patients. What about them? Had one of those had water on the brain, say, they would have been written off and no one would have been any the wiser.
Of course errors are made, but I wouldn't ascribe them to the NHS, as they are a feature of medical care systems universally.
It's got to be more than six pharmacies, there's two starting COVID jabs next week within walking distance of my parents. I highly doubt that a tiny part of Enfield has got 33% of the pilot programme.
I would imagine it is 6 to start with, with a bunch of clipboardistas to verify the process is all good. Which leads to a thumbs up for Monday.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
Yet you don't mention that belief in response to people talking about impeachment, cricket, honorifics, or lunchtime bike rides.
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
Yesterday our niece started work in the Blackburn vaccination centre. In the cathedral crypt. Day one was a training day - jabbing should start on Monday.
She is a dentist, so hopefully won't try and inject folk in the gum, rather than the arm.
It made me take a step back and think about how much work is going in to setting up the centres, staffing them up, getting people trained, setting up logistical chains, contacting the public.
Good for her, curiously though these steps are happening before we let our pharmacies, who do millions of flu jabs every year, get involved. (I think the first 6 pharmacies are just about to start).
They've already started administering it.
But why only in 6 pharmacies if we are getting vets and other volunteers involved?
I don't know. I don't think there will only be six though.
Do you really think it will stay at six? And we can already see there are more with @MaxPB's comment.
Of course it wont stay at six. I just dont understand why we are asking volunteers to be involved ahead of trained pharmacists who do this every year for millions. There is a probably a good reason, but it has yet to be given.
As predicted by me, and others. Even if there is no official ‘vaccine visa’ there will be unofficial requirements for one, everywhere - work, travel, play
Government needs to get hold of this. Recall all the guff about GDPR that blighted our lives about trivial matters - are private companies going to be allowed to request details about our health record? I do agree with @Charles the other day when he said this should be legislated against. Dictate by elected government is one this, by a private company is another.
But. If they're required for foreign travel they'll happen anyway. Or will our "sovereignty" allow us to legislate against that?
Less than 5% of GOP representatives voted to impeach Trump last night, unless a significantly bigger proportion of GOP Senators vote to convict him, the conviction will fall short of the 2/3 majority required.
However it is possible that Trump could be disbarred from seeking public office again if that passes with just a simple majority once the Democrats take control of the Senate next week.
That, though, would be a far more dangerous precedent to set.
Agreed. A much easier way to knock out potential rivals.
Yes, not sure how it can be justified to prevent him from seeking office if it is considered he has not done enough to be convicted. If they want the former they really have to do the latter.
That many who might convict think there's a chance they don't need to do thta to prevent him running, that events will do that for them, is another reason conviction will likely fail. Why stick your neck out if you think the problem will take care of itself?
Money? Whilst Trumps base might largely fund his and his surrogates activities, the likes of McConnell rely on corporate donors who are not going to play with Trumpism still around, at least for the next 2 years.
Money and the worry that Trump will continue to be a force in the party are the only reasons I could see most of them deciding to convict. The latter they might think they can deal with over time anyway, so the former really needs to be strong in their minds, and the belief that the corporate doners won't change their tune over time.
The Republicans are now in the bizarre situation where the Congressional party is moving increasingly against him, but about 70%, or more, of their voters still think he's great. It can't last for long without some sort of cratering.
Good point but I'd hope not 70% of the voters. If it is, my model needs material adjustment. I have the size of his base - those for whom HE was why they voted Republican - at around 20m.
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
"David Noble, whose Aegirfish buys from Scottish fleets to export to Europe, said he would have to pay between £500 to £600 per day for paperwork, wiping out most profit.
His concern is that this marks more than just teething problems, and says he cannot pass on the higher costs of doing business."
You mean Brexit results in higher costs due to extra paperwork - I'm shocked...
(I'm not shocked as I make money trying to automate stuff away but there is only so much you can automate and often all you are doing is moving the manual task somewhere else).
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
Yet you don't mention that belief in response to people talking about impeachment, cricket, honorifics, or lunchtime bike rides.
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
Because people aren't bored to death with those topics, unlike Brexit.
Finished watching The Pembrokeshire Murders last night. Not a bad police procedural but simply couldn't get over Luke Evans' spooky resemblance to David Milliband.
I liked it too. Solid. Low key. Did the job. Just like the investigation it featured.
Moving on to Serpent now. Saw Ep.1 and it was a bit grim but will continue.
Have been making my way steadily through Black Mirror these past few months and if ever there's a tv series not to watch right now...
Not going to watch the documentary on the Murders tonight? Might give a different angle.
Oh. Didn't know it was on. Yes will absolutely.
What's the scoop on them? Different to the tv prog?
AIUI it was the result of the deal struck by Wilkins with the TV reporter, Hill, in the first episode. Unless the series itself was.
Yesterday our niece started work in the Blackburn vaccination centre. In the cathedral crypt. Day one was a training day - jabbing should start on Monday.
She is a dentist, so hopefully won't try and inject folk in the gum, rather than the arm.
It made me take a step back and think about how much work is going in to setting up the centres, staffing them up, getting people trained, setting up logistical chains, contacting the public.
Good for her, curiously though these steps are happening before we let our pharmacies, who do millions of flu jabs every year, get involved. (I think the first 6 pharmacies are just about to start).
They've already started administering it.
But why only in 6 pharmacies if we are getting vets and other volunteers involved?
I don't know. I don't think there will only be six though.
Do you really think it will stay at six? And we can already see there are more with @MaxPB's comment.
Of course it wont stay at six. I just dont understand why we are asking volunteers to be involved ahead of trained pharmacists who do this every year for millions. There is a probably a good reason, but it has yet to be given.
Perhaps the reason is that we want the pharmacists to stay in the pharmacies for the time being, especially given the hospitals are effectively at capacity?
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
Yet you don't mention that belief in response to people talking about impeachment, cricket, honorifics, or lunchtime bike rides.
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
Because people aren't bored to death with those topics, unlike Brexit.
Speak for yourself. People on here are talking about it because it interests them.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
Yet you don't mention that belief in response to people talking about impeachment, cricket, honorifics, or lunchtime bike rides.
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
Because people aren't bored to death with those topics, unlike Brexit.
Speak for yourself. People on here are talking about it because it interests them.
Yeah, but I don't think anyone would claim that PB is a representative cross-section of society. We are all politics nerds.
The next two weeks are going to be exceptionally grim. Peak deaths, peak hospitalisations, peak winter cold, peak horror death pits. And at the end, the tax bill.
I find this cheering. Just two more weeks. Then you start to notice the slightly brighter evenings.
Tomorrow is meteorological midwinter.
It's cold, wet and miserable in Cannock. I've got two heaters on in my office and I'm still snuggled in a blanket.
Here it is warm (for January), wet and miserable.
But we already have half an hour more daylight than we did in the depths of December
Snowing outside. Binned off my lunchtime ride.
You need these on your 'snow' bike - I use a BMC URS 01.
Riding in snow is magnificent. You can pretend to be Hinault in the '81 Liège - Bastogne - Liège.
Before you jink right to avoid a pothole, the bike, studs and all, goes from under you, and you end up staring directly into the headlights of the 4x4 (note: not one of your support vehicles) behind you.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
Quite, but this will be a slow burn that will continue for the forseeable future. People will gradually hear more about it as businesses incur more costs and, in some cases, close down completely as they can no longer sell profitably to the EU. And of course many significant areas of economic activity, like financial services, are now at the EU's mercy since the terms of future trading are largely unknown and subject to side agreements over which the UK has no leverage.
Or, there will be a period of quite severe hassle and cost, followed by a couple of years of wearisome readjustment, then we will adapt and realise there are actually some serious benefits and new opportunities - which there will be. And Brexit will recede forever.
The best analogy is a painful divorce from an unhappy but long lasting marriage. You have to split the house. All those shared possessions. Who gets them? Ugh. You move somewhere smaller. You miss the big garden. You don’t miss the endless bickering...
Then you realise you are now free. Self reliant. You meet someone else. You have fun again.
Or you belatedly realise she was the love of your life. All the hot chicks you thought would flock your way think you're just a sad weird old man. You still have to meet your ex wife all the time to discuss boring custody and alimony issues - the same arguing as before, but without the make up sex afterwards. She seems to be managing fine without you. You find yourself increasingly reliant on specialist hand crafted sex toys to find any joy in life. As you tuck into another tasteless TV dinner for one, binge watching Cash in the Attic and fingering the flint dildo, you find yourself asking, where did it all go wrong?
Lol. Nicely done.
Except that, of course, the EU was never ‘the love of my life’ for anyone but ScottP. The idea is preposterous. We only married for money, not for love, and that was the problem. Those kind of marriages are always somewhat toxic and generally doomed in the long term. So the rest of the analogy falls away.
I would say it was more like one of those marriages where you were never a perfect fit but over time you could have come to a deep and lasting love. But you had this stupid pisshead mate, let's call him Nigel, who kept telling you that she was a fucking bitch, pointing out all her small flaws, and telling you you'd be better off without her. Since the divorce Nigel doesn't seem to want to meet up anymore. Someone even told you he'd started dating your ex. Why did I ever listen to Nigel, you think, as another evening of debasing, joyless solo sex with your bespoke flint accessories beckons.
Yesterday our niece started work in the Blackburn vaccination centre. In the cathedral crypt. Day one was a training day - jabbing should start on Monday.
She is a dentist, so hopefully won't try and inject folk in the gum, rather than the arm.
It made me take a step back and think about how much work is going in to setting up the centres, staffing them up, getting people trained, setting up logistical chains, contacting the public.
Good for her, curiously though these steps are happening before we let our pharmacies, who do millions of flu jabs every year, get involved. (I think the first 6 pharmacies are just about to start).
They've already started administering it.
But why only in 6 pharmacies if we are getting vets and other volunteers involved?
I don't know. I don't think there will only be six though.
Do you really think it will stay at six? And we can already see there are more with @MaxPB's comment.
Of course it wont stay at six. I just dont understand why we are asking volunteers to be involved ahead of trained pharmacists who do this every year for millions. There is a probably a good reason, but it has yet to be given.
Perhaps the reason is that we want the pharmacists to stay in the pharmacies for the time being, especially given the hospitals are effectively at capacity?
I think we have the slow start because it was done with the Pfizer jab and at the start they wanted places able to deal with a full batch of 975 each week.
As predicted by me, and others. Even if there is no official ‘vaccine visa’ there will be unofficial requirements for one, everywhere - work, travel, play
Government needs to get hold of this. Recall all the guff about GDPR that blighted our lives about trivial matters - are private companies going to be allowed to request details about our health record? I do agree with @Charles the other day when he said this should be legislated against. Dictate by elected government is one this, by a private company is another.
But. If they're required for foreign travel they'll happen anyway. Or will our "sovereignty" allow us to legislate against that?
I think it will be inevitable for foreign travel, as I argued the other day, because other countries will insist. Just pragmatism. I think the danger is creeping use to other aspects of our lives, which I would oppose.
I made a comment yesterday that there were likely to be big geographical differences in vaccination rates. Just heard another anecdote.
My parents (78 and 72) are in Berkshire near Reading and they haven't been contacted yet about their vaccines. They have a friend who is closer to Reading who is 71 and has their vaccination scheduled for today. Meanwhile my 84 year old father in law in Buckinghamshire has not heard anything.
If this situation goes further out of line then I can see this becoming an issue. Particularly if some locations get through the top 4 priority groups and then start on the rest whilst some parts of the country are still well behind.
Especially if it turns out that the North is missing out or that certain deprived postcodes aren't getting supplies and so on.
A lot of it depends on how proactice surgeries are. In Southampton some surgeries have got through their 80+ people and are now moving on to their 75+ . Others have barely done any.
Currently I think it's logistics that are the issue as Pfizer has complex requirements.
From memory Southampton University Hospital is a hub so moving that vaccine around Southampton is so much easier than say South Cumbria where the nearest hub is Carlisle.
The difference between neighbouring surgeries in Southampton is remarkable.
As with so much with the NHS. You need pointy elbows and to shout loudly to get just about anything done.
I would bet those surgeries with the vaccine were pro-active; those without were/are still waiting to be contacted.
If you are elderly and turn up looking confused or weak many places will assume you are always like that.
A friend had a treatable bone cancer but turned up in a bit of a state due to a calcium imbalance. She was given a week or so by the first doctor and effectively consigned to the bin. Once her daughter turned up and pointed out that, no, this wasn't her normal state someone actually looked and found the problem. She is still going 2 years later, as once the treatment started the service was fine.
A similar thing happened to my Dad when he had an infection (which often causes dementia-like symptoms). I had to be there to say - no, this isn't normal, look again.
Not everywhere is like that, but...
Sorry to be late responding but abso-bloody-lutely. Sadly a very familiar-type story.
Mine was that my mother (89yrs old at the time) had water on the brain. Which for all the world presents like a doddering, dementia-y 89yr old. It rapidly deteriorated so she was unable to walk/talk/etc. Dementia/age they said. Except there were key symptoms and causes. Which the NHS simply did not (choose to?) address.
It was left to my sister and google overnight (literally for 10 hours) to unpick the condition, the symptoms and then make a diagnosis. We then took that to the doctors and after *a lot* of pushing, quite nasty at times tbh, they accepted it, took action, and finally treated her for it. She is now playing chess with me in person and with her granddaughters online and still has the odd game of online scrabble with her scrabble club.
Time and time again left to its own devices the NHS will simply not bother, or does not have the organisational structure to make the extra effort.
Yikes.
I don't know if it is institutional, individuals, or just that doctors and staff are too busy. I'd like to believe the 'too busy' explanation but I'm not convinced. It seems to be discrimination based on prejudice.
In a horrible piece of irony, the (not terribly old) doctor that gave the friend a week to live died of Covid. Never send to know...
It sounds like individual incompetence rather than specifically NHS, as I have seen similar tales from the private sector and from other lands.
It is an old medical saw that you should listen to the patient as they are trying to tell you the diagnosis.
I have also seen people being assertive enough to be over investigated into a mess of iatrogenic disease. Perhaps the worst was a person given a brain stem stroke by an unnecessary angiography.
Foxy anecdata abounds about this (three on this board so far have mentioned it) in the NHS. No idea about private, perhaps it does perhaps it doesn't.
And as I said, if you poke, you will find many people you know with a similar experience. Now of course it's also a numbers game. The NHS is the only show in town and hence of course there are going to be issues. A 99.9% success rate with the millions of people it treats means there will be a substantial number of problems.
But the problems all seem to have a similar theme - conditions being overlooked and that's only the ones that we are aware of. When I visited my mother in her ward full of super-oldies there were visitors there I would say for about 20% of patients. What about them? Had one of those had water on the brain, say, they would have been written off and no one would have been any the wiser.
Of course errors are made, but I wouldn't ascribe them to the NHS, as they are a feature of medical care systems universally.
I don't doubt it. But our medical care system is the NHS.
Yesterday our niece started work in the Blackburn vaccination centre. In the cathedral crypt. Day one was a training day - jabbing should start on Monday.
She is a dentist, so hopefully won't try and inject folk in the gum, rather than the arm.
It made me take a step back and think about how much work is going in to setting up the centres, staffing them up, getting people trained, setting up logistical chains, contacting the public.
Good for her, curiously though these steps are happening before we let our pharmacies, who do millions of flu jabs every year, get involved. (I think the first 6 pharmacies are just about to start).
They've already started administering it.
But why only in 6 pharmacies if we are getting vets and other volunteers involved?
I don't know. I don't think there will only be six though.
Do you really think it will stay at six? And we can already see there are more with @MaxPB's comment.
Of course it wont stay at six. I just dont understand why we are asking volunteers to be involved ahead of trained pharmacists who do this every year for millions. There is a probably a good reason, but it has yet to be given.
The volunteers will be working at the NHS-run sites, so they will augment capacity at existing locations. This is about bringing even more locations online.
Finished watching The Pembrokeshire Murders last night. Not a bad police procedural but simply couldn't get over Luke Evans' spooky resemblance to David Milliband.
I liked it too. Solid. Low key. Did the job. Just like the investigation it featured.
Moving on to Serpent now. Saw Ep.1 and it was a bit grim but will continue.
Have been making my way steadily through Black Mirror these past few months and if ever there's a tv series not to watch right now...
Not going to watch the documentary on the Murders tonight? Might give a different angle.
Oh. Didn't know it was on. Yes will absolutely.
What's the scoop on them? Different to the tv prog?
AIUI it was the result of the deal struck by Wilkins with the TV reporter, Hill, in the first episode. Unless the series itself was.
"This isn’t a moment for gloating and revenge Trump should be punished for inciting the Capitol violence but Democrats would be wise to prioritise national healing David Aaronovitch" (£)
If there are no consequences, what’s to stop politicians trying again in the future? After all, they learned that nothing would happen to them if they failed the first time, so it makes it even more likely that they’ll try again.
No. Inciting armed insurrection against the democratic transfer of power is a step to far for the "lets all forget about it and move forward" option. There have to be consequences, or else we’ll be going through all this again, but worse in the future.
(Frankly, I suspect we’ll be going through this again anyway, but it’ll be /worse/ if we don’t start showing some backbone, so best to get on with it.)
Saw a tweet yesterday that mentioned that Hitler was originally given 5 years for the Munich putsch but was released after one in the interests of healing and reconciliation. Much healing and many reconciliations followed.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
Quite, but this will be a slow burn that will continue for the forseeable future. People will gradually hear more about it as businesses incur more costs and, in some cases, close down completely as they can no longer sell profitably to the EU. And of course many significant areas of economic activity, like financial services, are now at the EU's mercy since the terms of future trading are largely unknown and subject to side agreements over which the UK has no leverage.
Or, there will be a period of quite severe hassle and cost, followed by a couple of years of wearisome readjustment, then we will adapt and realise there are actually some serious benefits and new opportunities - which there will be. And Brexit will recede forever.
The best analogy is a painful divorce from an unhappy but long lasting marriage. You have to split the house. All those shared possessions. Who gets them? Ugh. You move somewhere smaller. You miss the big garden. You don’t miss the endless bickering...
Then you realise you are now free. Self reliant. You meet someone else. You have fun again.
Or you belatedly realise she was the love of your life. All the hot chicks you thought would flock your way think you're just a sad weird old man. You still have to meet your ex wife all the time to discuss boring custody and alimony issues - the same arguing as before, but without the make up sex afterwards. She seems to be managing fine without you. You find yourself increasingly reliant on specialist hand crafted sex toys to find any joy in life. As you tuck into another tasteless TV dinner for one, binge watching Cash in the Attic and fingering the flint dildo, you find yourself asking, where did it all go wrong?
The next two weeks are going to be exceptionally grim. Peak deaths, peak hospitalisations, peak winter cold, peak horror death pits. And at the end, the tax bill.
I find this cheering. Just two more weeks. Then you start to notice the slightly brighter evenings.
Tomorrow is meteorological midwinter.
It's cold, wet and miserable in Cannock. I've got two heaters on in my office and I'm still snuggled in a blanket.
Here it is warm (for January), wet and miserable.
But we already have half an hour more daylight than we did in the depths of December
Been snowing hard in Lincolnshire since about 7am. Not stopped at all. around about zero C at the moment.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
Quite, but this will be a slow burn that will continue for the forseeable future. People will gradually hear more about it as businesses incur more costs and, in some cases, close down completely as they can no longer sell profitably to the EU. And of course many significant areas of economic activity, like financial services, are now at the EU's mercy since the terms of future trading are largely unknown and subject to side agreements over which the UK has no leverage.
Or, there will be a period of quite severe hassle and cost, followed by a couple of years of wearisome readjustment, then we will adapt and realise there are actually some serious benefits and new opportunities - which there will be. And Brexit will recede forever.
The best analogy is a painful divorce from an unhappy but long lasting marriage. You have to split the house. All those shared possessions. Who gets them? Ugh. You move somewhere smaller. You miss the big garden. You don’t miss the endless bickering...
Then you realise you are now free. Self reliant. You meet someone else. You have fun again.
Or you belatedly realise she was the love of your life. All the hot chicks you thought would flock your way think you're just a sad weird old man. You still have to meet your ex wife all the time to discuss boring custody and alimony issues - the same arguing as before, but without the make up sex afterwards. She seems to be managing fine without you. You find yourself increasingly reliant on specialist hand crafted sex toys to find any joy in life. As you tuck into another tasteless TV dinner for one, binge watching Cash in the Attic and fingering the flint dildo, you find yourself asking, where did it all go wrong?
Lol. Nicely done.
Except that, of course, the EU was never ‘the love of my life’ for anyone but ScottP. The idea is preposterous. We only married for money, not for love, and that was the problem. Those kind of marriages are always somewhat toxic and generally doomed in the long term. So the rest of the analogy falls away.
Some might say it was an arranged marriage.
Or perhaps an Orthodox Jewish marrige, where the system makes it very difficult where one party refuses to accept that the other wants a divorce.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
Yet you don't mention that belief in response to people talking about impeachment, cricket, honorifics, or lunchtime bike rides.
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
I am not uncomfortable with anything on here
It is a political forum with lots of views and to be honest at my age I am just grateful for all the blessing my wife and I have and to be able to isolate thanks to Asda and Amazon delivering to our door
And on Asda another biggish order for us today and nothing missing at all.
I do believe if food shortages start showing then that could be a problem for HMG
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
Quite, but this will be a slow burn that will continue for the forseeable future. People will gradually hear more about it as businesses incur more costs and, in some cases, close down completely as they can no longer sell profitably to the EU. And of course many significant areas of economic activity, like financial services, are now at the EU's mercy since the terms of future trading are largely unknown and subject to side agreements over which the UK has no leverage.
Or, there will be a period of quite severe hassle and cost, followed by a couple of years of wearisome readjustment, then we will adapt and realise there are actually some serious benefits and new opportunities - which there will be. And Brexit will recede forever.
The best analogy is a painful divorce from an unhappy but long lasting marriage. You have to split the house. All those shared possessions. Who gets them? Ugh. You move somewhere smaller. You miss the big garden. You don’t miss the endless bickering...
Then you realise you are now free. Self reliant. You meet someone else. You have fun again.
Or you belatedly realise she was the love of your life. All the hot chicks you thought would flock your way think you're just a sad weird old man. You still have to meet your ex wife all the time to discuss boring custody and alimony issues - the same arguing as before, but without the make up sex afterwards. She seems to be managing fine without you. You find yourself increasingly reliant on specialist hand crafted sex toys to find any joy in life. As you tuck into another tasteless TV dinner for one, binge watching Cash in the Attic and fingering the flint dildo, you find yourself asking, where did it all go wrong?
Lol. Nicely done.
Except that, of course, the EU was never ‘the love of my life’ for anyone but ScottP. The idea is preposterous. We only married for money, not for love, and that was the problem. Those kind of marriages are always somewhat toxic and generally doomed in the long term. So the rest of the analogy falls away.
I would say it was more like one of those marriages where you were never a perfect fit but over time you could have come to a deep and lasting love. But you had this stupid pisshead mate, let's call him Nigel, who kept telling you that she was a fucking bitch, pointing out all her small flaws, and telling you you'd be better off without her. Since the divorce Nigel doesn't seem to want to meet up anymore. Someone even told you he'd started dating your ex. Why did I ever listen to Nigel, you think, as another evening of debasing, joyless solo sex with your bespoke flint accessories beckons.
There was never a deep and lasting love for the EU in the UK.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
Yet you don't mention that belief in response to people talking about impeachment, cricket, honorifics, or lunchtime bike rides.
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
Because people aren't bored to death with those topics, unlike Brexit.
Speak for yourself. People on here are talking about it because it interests them.
Yeah, but I don't think anyone would claim that PB is a representative cross-section of society. We are all politics nerds.
And, apparently, cricket fans too. It takes all sorts. Anyway, I'll be happy to carefully read the official list of Things We May Talk About Without Big G Getting Irate, if the list is forthcoming.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
Yet you don't mention that belief in response to people talking about impeachment, cricket, honorifics, or lunchtime bike rides.
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
Because people aren't bored to death with those topics, unlike Brexit.
Speak for yourself. People on here are talking about it because it interests them.
Yeah, but I don't think anyone would claim that PB is a representative cross-section of society. We are all politics nerds.
And, apparently, cricket fans too. It takes all sorts. Anyway, I'll be happy to carefully read the official list of Things We May Talk About Without Big G Getting Irate, if the list is forthcoming.
He wasn't saying what we can and cannot talk about here. He is saying that Brexit has very little cut-through in the wider world.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
Yet you don't mention that belief in response to people talking about impeachment, cricket, honorifics, or lunchtime bike rides.
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
That's exactly the nub. "Bored to death" says, for example, @RobD. Rather, it seems very much to me as a disinclination to accept the reality of Brexit as causing increasing problems which are a direct result of our own decisions.
Nothing too dramatic - a fish guy can't export, a poster guy finds his EU customers dry up, some other person finds this or that more cumbersome so either pays to do it or stops doing it.
But hardly the sunlit uplands and I fail to see any benefit whatsoever in return.
The next two weeks are going to be exceptionally grim. Peak deaths, peak hospitalisations, peak winter cold, peak horror death pits. And at the end, the tax bill.
I find this cheering. Just two more weeks. Then you start to notice the slightly brighter evenings.
Tomorrow is meteorological midwinter.
It's cold, wet and miserable in Cannock. I've got two heaters on in my office and I'm still snuggled in a blanket.
Here it is warm (for January), wet and miserable.
But we already have half an hour more daylight than we did in the depths of December
Snowing outside. Binned off my lunchtime ride.
You need these on your 'snow' bike - I use a BMC URS 01.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
Yet you don't mention that belief in response to people talking about impeachment, cricket, honorifics, or lunchtime bike rides.
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
I am not uncomfortable with anything on here
It is a political forum with lots of views and to be honest at my age I am just grateful for all the blessing my wife and I have and to be able to isolate thanks to Asda and Amazon delivering to our door
And on Asda another biggish order for us today and nothing missing at all.
I do believe if food shortages start showing then that could be a problem for HMG
I don't think your Asda deliveries will have much cut-through with public opinion. Not whilst there are updates about snow in Lincolnshire.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
The Daily Mail seems to think its readers are interested in it.
This is the second one we've had postponed due to the other team. We've not had a single positive. Play youth team as in FA Cup. Or forfeit. There seems to be no punishment or sanction. Meanwhile, we've got a fixture pile up. Unfair!
The problem of footballers misbehaving isn’t going to go away, unless there’s a sporting sanction that wakes up the club chairmen.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
Quite, but this will be a slow burn that will continue for the forseeable future. People will gradually hear more about it as businesses incur more costs and, in some cases, close down completely as they can no longer sell profitably to the EU. And of course many significant areas of economic activity, like financial services, are now at the EU's mercy since the terms of future trading are largely unknown and subject to side agreements over which the UK has no leverage.
Or, there will be a period of quite severe hassle and cost, followed by a couple of years of wearisome readjustment, then we will adapt and realise there are actually some serious benefits and new opportunities - which there will be. And Brexit will recede forever.
The best analogy is a painful divorce from an unhappy but long lasting marriage. You have to split the house. All those shared possessions. Who gets them? Ugh. You move somewhere smaller. You miss the big garden. You don’t miss the endless bickering...
Then you realise you are now free. Self reliant. You meet someone else. You have fun again.
Or you belatedly realise she was the love of your life. All the hot chicks you thought would flock your way think you're just a sad weird old man. You still have to meet your ex wife all the time to discuss boring custody and alimony issues - the same arguing as before, but without the make up sex afterwards. She seems to be managing fine without you. You find yourself increasingly reliant on specialist hand crafted sex toys to find any joy in life. As you tuck into another tasteless TV dinner for one, binge watching Cash in the Attic and fingering the flint dildo, you find yourself asking, where did it all go wrong?
Lol. Nicely done.
Except that, of course, the EU was never ‘the love of my life’ for anyone but ScottP. The idea is preposterous. We only married for money, not for love, and that was the problem. Those kind of marriages are always somewhat toxic and generally doomed in the long term. So the rest of the analogy falls away.
Some might say it was an arranged marriage.
Or perhaps an Orthodox Jewish marrige, where the system makes it very difficult where one party refuses to accept that the other wants a divorce.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
Yet you don't mention that belief in response to people talking about impeachment, cricket, honorifics, or lunchtime bike rides.
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
Because people aren't bored to death with those topics, unlike Brexit.
Speak for yourself. People on here are talking about it because it interests them.
Yeah, but I don't think anyone would claim that PB is a representative cross-section of society. We are all politics nerds.
And, apparently, cricket fans too. It takes all sorts. Anyway, I'll be happy to carefully read the official list of Things We May Talk About Without Big G Getting Irate, if the list is forthcoming.
I am not irate
You are misinterpreting my views but you are very new here so maybe in time you will adjust
Friend of mine on WhatsApp - she tested positive for Covid a few days ago. Isn't ill.
"On the phone to T&T. Had 3 different dates when I come out of isolation. Asked the guy which was correct as its important" "I don't know. I see your point, but this is my script" "He's gone to ask his manager" "His manager doesn't know what date to use" "The manager has asked I end the call as they can't find anyone who knows when I should come out of isolation" "£12bn for this"
As predicted by me, and others. Even if there is no official ‘vaccine visa’ there will be unofficial requirements for one, everywhere - work, travel, play
Ok, but that was easy to predict. The thing eye am classing as a Not Happening Event - and thus putting my 100% record on the line with - is that people who have been vaccinated will get an Immunity Card which unlocks for them the sort of normal life that remains out of reach for others.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
Quite, but this will be a slow burn that will continue for the forseeable future. People will gradually hear more about it as businesses incur more costs and, in some cases, close down completely as they can no longer sell profitably to the EU. And of course many significant areas of economic activity, like financial services, are now at the EU's mercy since the terms of future trading are largely unknown and subject to side agreements over which the UK has no leverage.
Or, there will be a period of quite severe hassle and cost, followed by a couple of years of wearisome readjustment, then we will adapt and realise there are actually some serious benefits and new opportunities - which there will be. And Brexit will recede forever.
The best analogy is a painful divorce from an unhappy but long lasting marriage. You have to split the house. All those shared possessions. Who gets them? Ugh. You move somewhere smaller. You miss the big garden. You don’t miss the endless bickering...
Then you realise you are now free. Self reliant. You meet someone else. You have fun again.
Or you belatedly realise she was the love of your life. All the hot chicks you thought would flock your way think you're just a sad weird old man. You still have to meet your ex wife all the time to discuss boring custody and alimony issues - the same arguing as before, but without the make up sex afterwards. She seems to be managing fine without you. You find yourself increasingly reliant on specialist hand crafted sex toys to find any joy in life. As you tuck into another tasteless TV dinner for one, binge watching Cash in the Attic and fingering the flint dildo, you find yourself asking, where did it all go wrong?
Lol. Nicely done.
Except that, of course, the EU was never ‘the love of my life’ for anyone but ScottP. The idea is preposterous. We only married for money, not for love, and that was the problem. Those kind of marriages are always somewhat toxic and generally doomed in the long term. So the rest of the analogy falls away.
I would say it was more like one of those marriages where you were never a perfect fit but over time you could have come to a deep and lasting love. But you had this stupid pisshead mate, let's call him Nigel, who kept telling you that she was a fucking bitch, pointing out all her small flaws, and telling you you'd be better off without her. Since the divorce Nigel doesn't seem to want to meet up anymore. Someone even told you he'd started dating your ex. Why did I ever listen to Nigel, you think, as another evening of debasing, joyless solo sex with your bespoke flint accessories beckons.
There was never a deep and lasting love for the EU in the UK.
Neither was there a deep and lasting hatred for it outside Farageland and the readership of certain newspapers.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
The Daily Mail seems to think its readers are interested in it.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
Yet you don't mention that belief in response to people talking about impeachment, cricket, honorifics, or lunchtime bike rides.
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
Because people aren't bored to death with those topics, unlike Brexit.
Speak for yourself. People on here are talking about it because it interests them.
Yeah, but I don't think anyone would claim that PB is a representative cross-section of society. We are all politics nerds.
And, apparently, cricket fans too. It takes all sorts. Anyway, I'll be happy to carefully read the official list of Things We May Talk About Without Big G Getting Irate, if the list is forthcoming.
I am not irate
You are misinterpreting my views but you are very new here so maybe in time you will adjust
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.
Have you read the article? 1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories 2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on” 3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation." 4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
Quite, but this will be a slow burn that will continue for the forseeable future. People will gradually hear more about it as businesses incur more costs and, in some cases, close down completely as they can no longer sell profitably to the EU. And of course many significant areas of economic activity, like financial services, are now at the EU's mercy since the terms of future trading are largely unknown and subject to side agreements over which the UK has no leverage.
Or, there will be a period of quite severe hassle and cost, followed by a couple of years of wearisome readjustment, then we will adapt and realise there are actually some serious benefits and new opportunities - which there will be. And Brexit will recede forever.
The best analogy is a painful divorce from an unhappy but long lasting marriage. You have to split the house. All those shared possessions. Who gets them? Ugh. You move somewhere smaller. You miss the big garden. You don’t miss the endless bickering...
Then you realise you are now free. Self reliant. You meet someone else. You have fun again.
Or you belatedly realise she was the love of your life. All the hot chicks you thought would flock your way think you're just a sad weird old man. You still have to meet your ex wife all the time to discuss boring custody and alimony issues - the same arguing as before, but without the make up sex afterwards. She seems to be managing fine without you. You find yourself increasingly reliant on specialist hand crafted sex toys to find any joy in life. As you tuck into another tasteless TV dinner for one, binge watching Cash in the Attic and fingering the flint dildo, you find yourself asking, where did it all go wrong?
Lol. Nicely done.
Except that, of course, the EU was never ‘the love of my life’ for anyone but ScottP. The idea is preposterous. We only married for money, not for love, and that was the problem. Those kind of marriages are always somewhat toxic and generally doomed in the long term. So the rest of the analogy falls away.
I would say it was more like one of those marriages where you were never a perfect fit but over time you could have come to a deep and lasting love. But you had this stupid pisshead mate, let's call him Nigel, who kept telling you that she was a fucking bitch, pointing out all her small flaws, and telling you you'd be better off without her. Since the divorce Nigel doesn't seem to want to meet up anymore. Someone even told you he'd started dating your ex. Why did I ever listen to Nigel, you think, as another evening of debasing, joyless solo sex with your bespoke flint accessories beckons.
That one wasn’t as good as it is so clearly untrue. A ‘deep and lasting love’, for the EU???
As spouses go the EU was a manipulative liar, but he earned decent money, even if he spent too much of it on booze. His conversation was boring, the sex was awful, yet his cash provided a big shiny house. He kept promising to mend his ways, the drinking and the lies, yet never did.
We tolerated all of this - a sterile marriage to a feckless boor - because divorce seemed so daunting. And that new bathroom was so big.
But then he started making demands on us, ordering us to stay home and cook, or to do all the housework in the nude while he languidly masturbated on the sofa we both paid for. Then he said, during yet another awful boozy dinner, that he wanted a threesome with the neighbour’s uncle.
Friend of mine on WhatsApp - she tested positive for Covid a few days ago. Isn't ill.
"On the phone to T&T. Had 3 different dates when I come out of isolation. Asked the guy which was correct as its important" "I don't know. I see your point, but this is my script" "He's gone to ask his manager" "His manager doesn't know what date to use" "The manager has asked I end the call as they can't find anyone who knows when I should come out of isolation" "£12bn for this"
Adopt the safety first approach - take the latest date.
London appears to be lagging behind in England's vaccine race, the latest data has revealed.
According to new regional data released today by the NHS, the Midlands, North East and Yorkshire and the South East have seen the highest numbers of vaccinations between December 8 and January 10.
More than 447,329 doses (including first and second jabs) have been administered in the Midlands while the North East and Yorkshire has seen 433,045 doses and the South East has seen 411,257.
In contrast the fewest (236,023) have been handed out in the East of England, while London has seen 237,524 doses. The South West has seen 285,332 doses.
Friend of mine on WhatsApp - she tested positive for Covid a few days ago. Isn't ill.
"On the phone to T&T. Had 3 different dates when I come out of isolation. Asked the guy which was correct as its important" "I don't know. I see your point, but this is my script" "He's gone to ask his manager" "His manager doesn't know what date to use" "The manager has asked I end the call as they can't find anyone who knows when I should come out of isolation" "£12bn for this"
Adopt the safety first approach - take the latest date.
She is. Its that they haven't a clue what they're doing that winds her up.
Friend of mine on WhatsApp - she tested positive for Covid a few days ago. Isn't ill.
"On the phone to T&T. Had 3 different dates when I come out of isolation. Asked the guy which was correct as its important" "I don't know. I see your point, but this is my script" "He's gone to ask his manager" "His manager doesn't know what date to use" "The manager has asked I end the call as they can't find anyone who knows when I should come out of isolation" "£12bn for this"
It isn't difficult to find the information though.
Friend of mine on WhatsApp - she tested positive for Covid a few days ago. Isn't ill.
"On the phone to T&T. Had 3 different dates when I come out of isolation. Asked the guy which was correct as its important" "I don't know. I see your point, but this is my script" "He's gone to ask his manager" "His manager doesn't know what date to use" "The manager has asked I end the call as they can't find anyone who knows when I should come out of isolation" "£12bn for this"
Adopt the safety first approach - take the latest date.
latest date as in most recent (so the first one) or the last one.
Finished watching The Pembrokeshire Murders last night. Not a bad police procedural but simply couldn't get over Luke Evans' spooky resemblance to David Milliband.
I liked it too. Solid. Low key. Did the job. Just like the investigation it featured.
Moving on to Serpent now. Saw Ep.1 and it was a bit grim but will continue.
Have been making my way steadily through Black Mirror these past few months and if ever there's a tv series not to watch right now...
The Serpent is a great disappointment. Such potential. Cracking true story. Love the locations.
But the narrative leaps about like a live bat in a red hot wok. Absurdly over complicated. And the accents...
Shame.
I was pondering setting up a spreadsheet and that was only Ep.1. Two years back...20 years forward..24 years back...two years forward...
sheesh.
It gets WORSE in episode 2. That’s where I gave up
It was a bit dark and horrible for me to be honest. Won't be watching the rest. The idea that he apparently got away with this is quite disturbing.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
Yet you don't mention that belief in response to people talking about impeachment, cricket, honorifics, or lunchtime bike rides.
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
Because people aren't bored to death with those topics, unlike Brexit.
Speak for yourself. People on here are talking about it because it interests them.
Yeah, but I don't think anyone would claim that PB is a representative cross-section of society. We are all politics nerds.
And, apparently, cricket fans too. It takes all sorts. Anyway, I'll be happy to carefully read the official list of Things We May Talk About Without Big G Getting Irate, if the list is forthcoming.
I am not irate
You are misinterpreting my views but you are very new here so maybe in time you will adjust
London only received tenth of vaccine doses supplied across England London Mayor Sadiq Khan has claimed the capital was not getting its fair share of vaccine doses.
While London makes up about 15% of population of England, isn't the population much younger?
This is the second one we've had postponed due to the other team. We've not had a single positive. Play youth team as in FA Cup. Or forfeit. There seems to be no punishment or sanction. Meanwhile, we've got a fixture pile up. Unfair!
The problem of footballers misbehaving isn’t going to go away, unless there’s a sporting sanction that wakes up the club chairmen.
Were they too busy omitting "Oxford" that they left in stuff they shouldn't have?
Bit late....everybody has now seen the numbers and the media have run the stories.
Was this the numbers, or the addresses of the facilities in England that the Scottish government published?
The plan had the numbers of vaccines to be delivered every week, from which you could easily extrapolate UK wide amounts (which is commercially sensitive).
The location was blurted out in parliament, but I believe the media didn't report it for obvious reasons.
This is the second one we've had postponed due to the other team. We've not had a single positive. Play youth team as in FA Cup. Or forfeit. There seems to be no punishment or sanction. Meanwhile, we've got a fixture pile up. Unfair!
The problem of footballers misbehaving isn’t going to go away, unless there’s a sporting sanction that wakes up the club chairmen.
Play the youth team or forfeit the match.
Just vaccinate all the sodding footballers.
And make them pay for it.....£10k / player....to NHS.
Which is what @MaxPB and others were banging on about months ago.
That's self reported as well which is going to have an element of people lying to themselves saying that trip to Tesco doesn't count because it was necessary, or that walk where they didn't meet anyone definitely doesn't count. If we did it with GPS tracking after a positive test we'd actually see isolation at closer to 10-15%.
We have gone from 40% --> 60% complete compliance at a time when the rates of covid in the population have gone through the roof.
Either we have a small number of prodigious super-spreaders - or people are getting Covid when they do their on-line shopping....
Or people are spreading this asymptomatically and presymptomatically.
If everyone is on average spreading it to one person, then if someone perfectly isolates after getting a positive test but they've already spread it to someone else before they tested positive then that meets the average.
Only wimps self-isolate: wimps and malingerers. That was the message last spring. Tube drivers and teachers were swinging the lead; schoolchildren were taking a fortnight off for a cold. Even on this very pb.
Finished watching The Pembrokeshire Murders last night. Not a bad police procedural but simply couldn't get over Luke Evans' spooky resemblance to David Milliband.
I liked it too. Solid. Low key. Did the job. Just like the investigation it featured.
Moving on to Serpent now. Saw Ep.1 and it was a bit grim but will continue.
Have been making my way steadily through Black Mirror these past few months and if ever there's a tv series not to watch right now...
The Serpent is a great disappointment. Such potential. Cracking true story. Love the locations.
But the narrative leaps about like a live bat in a red hot wok. Absurdly over complicated. And the accents...
Shame.
I was pondering setting up a spreadsheet and that was only Ep.1. Two years back...20 years forward..24 years back...two years forward...
sheesh.
It gets WORSE in episode 2. That’s where I gave up
It was a bit dark and horrible for me to be honest. Won't be watching the rest. The idea that he apparently got away with this is quite disturbing.
It felt like a mediocre European co-production. The accents, the script, the lot. Big budget but weirdly dull.
I was surprised to see it was made by Netflix/BBC
BTW Covid is now impacting TV and movie quality, methinks. Another victim of the virus?
Were they too busy omitting "Oxford" that they left in stuff they shouldn't have?
Bit late....everybody has now seen the numbers and the media have run the stories.
Was this the numbers, or the addresses of the facilities in England that the Scottish government published?
The plan had the numbers of vaccines to be delivered every week, from which you could easily extrapolate UK wide amounts (which is commercially sensitive).
The location was blurted out in parliament, but I believe the media didn't report it for obvious reasons.
Why is commercial sensitivity a concern here? There seems to be a public interest, in both senses, in knowing how many vaccines are to be available each week. Do we voters not want to make judgements about governments' handling of this by knowing what's available to them?
This is the second one we've had postponed due to the other team. We've not had a single positive. Play youth team as in FA Cup. Or forfeit. There seems to be no punishment or sanction. Meanwhile, we've got a fixture pile up. Unfair!
The problem of footballers misbehaving isn’t going to go away, unless there’s a sporting sanction that wakes up the club chairmen.
Play the youth team or forfeit the match.
Just vaccinate all the sodding footballers.
And make them pay for it.....£10k / player....to NHS.
Were they too busy omitting "Oxford" that they left in stuff they shouldn't have?
Bit late....everybody has now seen the numbers and the media have run the stories.
Was this the numbers, or the addresses of the facilities in England that the Scottish government published?
The plan had the numbers of vaccines to be delivered every week, from which you could easily extrapolate UK wide amounts (which is commercially sensitive).
The location was blurted out in parliament, but I believe the media didn't report it for obvious reasons.
Why is commercial sensitivity a concern here? There seems to be a public interest, in both senses, in knowing how many vaccines are to be available each week. Do we voters not want to make judgements about governments' handling of this by knowing what's available to them?
I think the vaccine companies might have something to say about that. They are doing different deals with different countries. I am fairly sure there is some sort of conditions on specifics.
Also, the public really don't need to know there are 3 million arriving on the 25th Feb. It is irrelevant. What is relevant is how many are they doing now, next week. As long as there aren't millions of doses sitting in warehouses, that is all that matters...and that will come out fairly quickly if that is the case.
This is the second one we've had postponed due to the other team. We've not had a single positive. Play youth team as in FA Cup. Or forfeit. There seems to be no punishment or sanction. Meanwhile, we've got a fixture pile up. Unfair!
The problem of footballers misbehaving isn’t going to go away, unless there’s a sporting sanction that wakes up the club chairmen.
Play the youth team or forfeit the match.
Wouldn't a vaccination programme be more effective than yet more moralising?
Finished watching The Pembrokeshire Murders last night. Not a bad police procedural but simply couldn't get over Luke Evans' spooky resemblance to David Milliband.
I liked it too. Solid. Low key. Did the job. Just like the investigation it featured.
Moving on to Serpent now. Saw Ep.1 and it was a bit grim but will continue.
Have been making my way steadily through Black Mirror these past few months and if ever there's a tv series not to watch right now...
The Serpent is a great disappointment. Such potential. Cracking true story. Love the locations.
But the narrative leaps about like a live bat in a red hot wok. Absurdly over complicated. And the accents...
Shame.
I was pondering setting up a spreadsheet and that was only Ep.1. Two years back...20 years forward..24 years back...two years forward...
sheesh.
It gets WORSE in episode 2. That’s where I gave up
It was a bit dark and horrible for me to be honest. Won't be watching the rest. The idea that he apparently got away with this is quite disturbing.
It felt like a mediocre European co-production. The accents, the script, the lot. Big budget but weirdly dull.
I was surprised to see it was made by Netflix/BBC
BTW Covid is now impacting TV and movie quality, methinks. Another victim of the virus?
Worse telly and films might be partly due to the virus (even absent studio audiences can make a difference) but perhaps also to the likes of Netflix and Amazon taking talent from Hollywood and the BBC.
Were they too busy omitting "Oxford" that they left in stuff they shouldn't have?
Bit late....everybody has now seen the numbers and the media have run the stories.
Was this the numbers, or the addresses of the facilities in England that the Scottish government published?
The plan had the numbers of vaccines to be delivered every week, from which you could easily extrapolate UK wide amounts (which is commercially sensitive).
The location was blurted out in parliament, but I believe the media didn't report it for obvious reasons.
Why is commercial sensitivity a concern here? There seems to be a public interest, in both senses, in knowing how many vaccines are to be available each week. Do we voters not want to make judgements about governments' handling of this by knowing what's available to them?
I think the vaccine companies might have something to say about that. They are doing different deals with different countries. I am fairly sure there is some sort of conditions on specifics.
Also, the public really don't need to know there are 3 million arriving on the 25th Feb. It is irrelevant. What is relevant is how many are they doing now, next week.
ok, sure, but is that right? I get the fact that commerical sensitivity is a thing, but so is political openness. If we reach a point where availability becomes a limiting factor, won't the public have a right to know why things cannot be accelerated further?
EDIT: your second paragraph appeared after I read your post so I didn't see it until after I sent my reply
There seems to be a balance of opinion here along the lines that Trump has revealed himself as practising a modern variant of fascism, an opinion which I have long agreed with. Here's one of my comments reposted from a thread back in August 2020:
"In terms of drawing parallels with Trump, you have to go back to 20th century politicians before you get even close. Mussolini seems to me to represent the closest parallel. Trump has absolutely no respect for democratic norms, and would clearly stop at absolutely nothing to remain in power given the opportunity. Economic nationalism, contempt for democracy, disrespect even for human life, creation of a parallel universe of political untruths, cult of the individual, it's all there. You're seeing 21st century Fascism unfold before your eyes in all but name."
However, the parallels are even clearer now. To the above charge sheet you could add: the specific use of the big lie to actively undermine democratic norms (i.e. going a step beyond mere contempt for democracy), the creation of a theme of betrayal amongst his followers (i.e. the myth of the big steal, similar to the myth of politicians betrayal of Germany post WW1) the focused use of violence to try and overthrow legislative institutions (i.e. the storming of the Capitol to prevent a confirmatory vote, rather than just general violence cf. Charlottesville), and the tacit encouragement of physical violence against politicians who failed to do his bidding (resulting in "Hang Mike Pence".)
To be honest though, I never thought that he would go as far as using political violence to try and overthrow the operation of the state, if only because it never seemed remotely possible that he would get away with it, so he wouldn't try.
Even now, there seem to be a handful here who act as Trump's cheerleaders. That's appalling. They don't even have the excuse of those Republican politicians who still go along with Trump for the sake of their political careers.
Were they too busy omitting "Oxford" that they left in stuff they shouldn't have?
Bit late....everybody has now seen the numbers and the media have run the stories.
Was this the numbers, or the addresses of the facilities in England that the Scottish government published?
The plan had the numbers of vaccines to be delivered every week, from which you could easily extrapolate UK wide amounts (which is commercially sensitive).
The location was blurted out in parliament, but I believe the media didn't report it for obvious reasons.
Why is commercial sensitivity a concern here? There seems to be a public interest, in both senses, in knowing how many vaccines are to be available each week. Do we voters not want to make judgements about governments' handling of this by knowing what's available to them?
AZN and Pfizer are providing vaccines to many countries. There may be competition for supplies. There's probably a clause in the contract that asks the government not to bleat out exactly how many they are getting and when.
Anyway, these are probably only estimates, and they shouldn't be written in stone.
Were they too busy omitting "Oxford" that they left in stuff they shouldn't have?
Bit late....everybody has now seen the numbers and the media have run the stories.
Was this the numbers, or the addresses of the facilities in England that the Scottish government published?
The plan had the numbers of vaccines to be delivered every week, from which you could easily extrapolate UK wide amounts (which is commercially sensitive).
The location was blurted out in parliament, but I believe the media didn't report it for obvious reasons.
Why is commercial sensitivity a concern here? There seems to be a public interest, in both senses, in knowing how many vaccines are to be available each week. Do we voters not want to make judgements about governments' handling of this by knowing what's available to them?
I think the vaccine companies might have something to say about that. They are doing different deals with different countries. I am fairly sure there is some sort of conditions on specifics.
Also, the public really don't need to know there are 3 million arriving on the 25th Feb. It is irrelevant. What is relevant is how many are they doing now, next week.
ok, sure, but is that right? I get the fact that commerical sensitivity is a thing, but so is political openness. If we reach a point where availability becomes a limiting factor, won't the public have a right to know why things cannot be accelerated further?
Well it is more than a thing if your contract with Pfizer says you aren't allowed to make public the exact numbers for future deliveries, and if you break the T&Cs they have the rights to not deliver.
The government have made it known there are 20 odd million doses on British soil that need Q&A and bottling. If vaccinations rates fail to speed up in the next couple of weeks, then there will be questions asked, have they been Q&A'ed (and if not, why not), have they been bottled (and if not, who not), and if they have been Q&A / bottled, why aren't they reaching vaccinations centres.
The killer issue here is that no-one understood how bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Say what?
Small children in Dumbarton knew exactly how the fuck bad the introduction of paperwork was going to be.
Our Government didn't otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.
We all knew. Have you forgotten about the famous impact reports that spelt out how the impact of non tariff barriers was greater than the impact of tariffs?
If Faisal, Scott, or anyone else thinks this is getting any traction with the public while this covid crisis is utterly dominating everyone at present then they are deluded
It seems to be your mission to smother every story today! What are we to talk about?
I think you miss the point
We are politically engaged on here but the public are only interested in one subject and that is covid, hence why EU issues only resonate with the political elite, not the public at large
Yet you don't mention that belief in response to people talking about impeachment, cricket, honorifics, or lunchtime bike rides.
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
That's exactly the nub. "Bored to death" says, for example, @RobD. Rather, it seems very much to me as a disinclination to accept the reality of Brexit as causing increasing problems which are a direct result of our own decisions.
Nothing too dramatic - a fish guy can't export, a poster guy finds his EU customers dry up, some other person finds this or that more cumbersome so either pays to do it or stops doing it.
But hardly the sunlit uplands and I fail to see any benefit whatsoever in return.
Tampons? No gamechanger, sure, but not to be sniffed at.
Friend of mine on WhatsApp - she tested positive for Covid a few days ago. Isn't ill.
"On the phone to T&T. Had 3 different dates when I come out of isolation. Asked the guy which was correct as its important" "I don't know. I see your point, but this is my script" "He's gone to ask his manager" "His manager doesn't know what date to use" "The manager has asked I end the call as they can't find anyone who knows when I should come out of isolation" "£12bn for this"
It isn't difficult to find the information though.
It is not hard to find, however, it is a world where 40% of Americans cant find the correct election result. It would be better if the people at test and trace could communicate it!
Were they too busy omitting "Oxford" that they left in stuff they shouldn't have?
Bit late....everybody has now seen the numbers and the media have run the stories.
Was this the numbers, or the addresses of the facilities in England that the Scottish government published?
The plan had the numbers of vaccines to be delivered every week, from which you could easily extrapolate UK wide amounts (which is commercially sensitive).
The location was blurted out in parliament, but I believe the media didn't report it for obvious reasons.
Why is commercial sensitivity a concern here? There seems to be a public interest, in both senses, in knowing how many vaccines are to be available each week. Do we voters not want to make judgements about governments' handling of this by knowing what's available to them?
I think the vaccine companies might have something to say about that. They are doing different deals with different countries. I am fairly sure there is some sort of conditions on specifics.
Also, the public really don't need to know there are 3 million arriving on the 25th Feb. It is irrelevant. What is relevant is how many are they doing now, next week.
ok, sure, but is that right? I get the fact that commerical sensitivity is a thing, but so is political openness. If we reach a point where availability becomes a limiting factor, won't the public have a right to know why things cannot be accelerated further?
Well it is more than a thing if your contract with Pfizer says you aren't allowed to make public the exact numbers for future deliveries, and if you break the T&Cs they have the rights to not deliver.
The government have made it known there are 20 odd million doses on British soil that need Q&A and bottling. If vaccinations rates fail to speed up in the next couple of weeks, then there will be questions asked, have they been Q&A'ed (and if not, why not), have they been bottled (and if not, who not), and if they have been Q&A / bottled, why aren't they reaching vaccinations centres.
We need a big number today Francis, 270k+ ––– or I will be back with my cricket analogies!
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If everyone is on average spreading it to one person, then if someone perfectly isolates after getting a positive test but they've already spread it to someone else before they tested positive then that meets the average.
Except that, of course, the EU was never ‘the love of my life’ for anyone but ScottP. The idea is preposterous. We only married for money, not for love, and that was the problem. Those kind of marriages are always somewhat toxic and generally doomed in the long term. So the rest of the analogy falls away.
His concern is that this marks more than just teething problems, and says he cannot pass on the higher costs of doing business."
I wonder what it is about other people having that conversation that makes you uncomfortable.
Or will our "sovereignty" allow us to legislate against that?
https://twitter.com/RogerQuimbly/status/1349693076072263681?s=20
(I'm not shocked as I make money trying to automate stuff away but there is only so much you can automate and often all you are doing is moving the manual task somewhere else).
It is getting all those 20 odd million doses through QA and bottled.
The Harry Potter said that while she was currently isolating at her home in Italy, she'd only return to the UK when it's safe to get the jab.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9146637/Miriam-Margolyes-slams-clown-Boris-Johnson-handling-COVID-19-pandemic.html
Is my level.
Or perhaps an Orthodox Jewish marrige, where the system makes it very difficult where one party refuses to accept that the other wants a divorce.
It is a political forum with lots of views and to be honest at my age I am just grateful for all the blessing my wife and I have and to be able to isolate thanks to Asda and Amazon delivering to our door
And on Asda another biggish order for us today and nothing missing at all.
I do believe if food shortages start showing then that could be a problem for HMG
Anyway, I'll be happy to carefully read the official list of Things We May Talk About Without Big G Getting Irate, if the list is forthcoming.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-schofield-willoughby-this-morning-b1787194.html
Nothing too dramatic - a fish guy can't export, a poster guy finds his EU customers dry up, some other person finds this or that more cumbersome so either pays to do it or stops doing it.
But hardly the sunlit uplands and I fail to see any benefit whatsoever in return.
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1349648641666019328
https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1349696298849619969?s=20
Play the youth team or forfeit the match.
You are misinterpreting my views but you are very new here so maybe in time you will adjust
"On the phone to T&T. Had 3 different dates when I come out of isolation. Asked the guy which was correct as its important"
"I don't know. I see your point, but this is my script"
"He's gone to ask his manager"
"His manager doesn't know what date to use"
"The manager has asked I end the call as they can't find anyone who knows when I should come out of isolation"
"£12bn for this"
https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/1349665432412807168?s=20
1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories
2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on”
3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation."
4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
You were saying...?
https://twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/1349697232019271681?s=20
Were they too busy omitting "Oxford" that they left in stuff they shouldn't have?
As spouses go the EU was a manipulative liar, but he earned decent money, even if he spent too much of it on booze. His conversation was boring, the sex was awful, yet his cash provided a big shiny house. He kept promising to mend his ways, the drinking and the lies, yet never did.
We tolerated all of this - a sterile marriage to a feckless boor - because divorce seemed so daunting. And that new bathroom was so big.
But then he started making demands on us, ordering us to stay home and cook, or to do all the housework in the nude while he languidly masturbated on the sofa we both paid for. Then he said, during yet another awful boozy dinner, that he wanted a threesome with the neighbour’s uncle.
That’s when we left.
According to new regional data released today by the NHS, the Midlands, North East and Yorkshire and the South East have seen the highest numbers of vaccinations between December 8 and January 10.
More than 447,329 doses (including first and second jabs) have been administered in the Midlands while the North East and Yorkshire has seen 433,045 doses and the South East has seen 411,257.
In contrast the fewest (236,023) have been handed out in the East of England, while London has seen 237,524 doses. The South West has seen 285,332 doses.
10 days full days after the day you had the test unless any symptoms persist:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/how-long-to-self-isolate/
We can't catch them and we can't sell them, so they probably are happier
London Mayor Sadiq Khan has claimed the capital was not getting its fair share of vaccine doses.
While London makes up about 15% of population of England, isn't the population much younger?
The location was blurted out in parliament, but I believe the media didn't report it for obvious reasons.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-55649017
Would West, Mid, and North Wales welcome more responsibilities passed to Cardiff?
I was surprised to see it was made by Netflix/BBC
BTW Covid is now impacting TV and movie quality, methinks. Another victim of the virus?
Also, the public really don't need to know there are 3 million arriving on the 25th Feb. It is irrelevant. What is relevant is how many are they doing now, next week. As long as there aren't millions of doses sitting in warehouses, that is all that matters...and that will come out fairly quickly if that is the case.
How much of the blame for the speech last Wednesday can he spread elsewhere.
EDIT: your second paragraph appeared after I read your post so I didn't see it until after I sent my reply
Until it's not worth it.
https://twitter.com/BrexileInBerlin/status/1349644530031714309?s=20
"In terms of drawing parallels with Trump, you have to go back to 20th century politicians before you get even close. Mussolini seems to me to represent the closest parallel. Trump has absolutely no respect for democratic norms, and would clearly stop at absolutely nothing to remain in power given the opportunity. Economic nationalism, contempt for democracy, disrespect even for human life, creation of a parallel universe of political untruths, cult of the individual, it's all there. You're seeing 21st century Fascism unfold before your eyes in all but name."
However, the parallels are even clearer now. To the above charge sheet you could add: the specific use of the big lie to actively undermine democratic norms (i.e. going a step beyond mere contempt for democracy), the creation of a theme of betrayal amongst his followers (i.e. the myth of the big steal, similar to the myth of politicians betrayal of Germany post WW1) the focused use of violence to try and overthrow legislative institutions (i.e. the storming of the Capitol to prevent a confirmatory vote, rather than just general violence cf. Charlottesville), and the tacit encouragement of physical violence against politicians who failed to do his bidding (resulting in "Hang Mike Pence".)
To be honest though, I never thought that he would go as far as using political violence to try and overthrow the operation of the state, if only because it never seemed remotely possible that he would get away with it, so he wouldn't try.
Even now, there seem to be a handful here who act as Trump's cheerleaders. That's appalling. They don't even have the excuse of those Republican politicians who still go along with Trump for the sake of their political careers.
Anyway, these are probably only estimates, and they shouldn't be written in stone.
The government have made it known there are 20 odd million doses on British soil that need Q&A and bottling. If vaccinations rates fail to speed up in the next couple of weeks, then there will be questions asked, have they been Q&A'ed (and if not, why not), have they been bottled (and if not, who not), and if they have been Q&A / bottled, why aren't they reaching vaccinations centres.
She is certainly a member.
Their plan is to increase the Senedd size by 20-30 pols.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54089835
It is much easier to argue for more jobs for the Bruvvers if more responsibilities.