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May I suggest his question was a pathetic attempt to fix on something in my response that he found somewhat whimsical, to cover up the fact that his entire argument, that you can't export fish into the EU from outside it, is now nothing more than a smouldering crater.eek said:
May I suggest you go back to Rochdale's question and think about your answer.Luckyguy1983 said:
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction:RochdalePioneers said:
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?Luckyguy1983 said:
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_enRochdalePioneers said:
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.Luckyguy1983 said:
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.eek said:
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).RochdalePioneers said:
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.Luckyguy1983 said:
Seafood Scotland is an industry body that has been funded by the EU, and The Scottish Government:RochdalePioneers said:
Have you read the article?Richard_Tyndall said:
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.eek said:Have we seen this yet
https://twitter.com/fishingforleave/status/1347450935472254977
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories
2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on”
3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation."
4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
You were saying...?
https://www.fishfarmingexpert.com/article/eu-cash-boost-for-seafood-scotland/
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/ssa-seafish-must-change/
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
Live exports have far tighter restrictions (but far higher market prices) than frozen products.
The exports you are comparing us to are both very different and far more of a bulk none premium product.
It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU.
It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so.
It is clear that this includes fresh fish, as well as crustaceans and molluscs - that information is also provided in the information I posted.
Since it is clearly not impossible, or even unprofitable, to sell fish to the EU, from countries further afield than the UK, it then becomes quite clear that these are administrative problems that can be worked on, some being solved in days, some in weeks, a few in months. Unfortunately that doesn't help the hand-flapping argument of the Scottish Government and associated hangers on that it's all an insoluble feature of not being in the EU.0 -
Yes, twice this year.Leon said:
Have you been? During lockdown?IshmaelZ said:
Business as usual at mine, and the mask up pretty well anyway.Leon said:
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?
ETA and they are doing check ups, hygienists etc as usual.
My position is I don't want to be edentate any more than I want covid, so get it done before lockdown mark X prohibits it.0 -
READ THE QUOTE AGAIN.RochdalePioneers said:
The thing about frozen fish is that its frozen. If the refrigerated trailer it's packed in loses an extra few days queuing for customs there's no harm to the product. So its not an issue for frozen imports from Vietnam.Luckyguy1983 said:
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction:RochdalePioneers said:
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?Luckyguy1983 said:
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_enRochdalePioneers said:
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.Luckyguy1983 said:
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.eek said:
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).RochdalePioneers said:
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.Luckyguy1983 said:
Seafood Scotland is an industry body that has been funded by the EU, and The Scottish Government:RochdalePioneers said:
Have you read the article?Richard_Tyndall said:
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.eek said:Have we seen this yet
https://twitter.com/fishingforleave/status/1347450935472254977
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories
2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on”
3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation."
4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
You were saying...?
https://www.fishfarmingexpert.com/article/eu-cash-boost-for-seafood-scotland/
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/ssa-seafish-must-change/
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
Fresh fish? That has to be shipped quickly. Which makes its market local. Which makes your map of the globe only to demonstrate your ignorance of the topic on which you are posting.
It is Fresh Fish that is rotting. Not frozen. "It doesn't work eh" because you can't ship fresh fish from fucking Vietnam or America or wherever. Eh. So the process doesn't work for these other countries, eh, because it doesn't.
You are like Philip. Clueless. But desperate to defend the government. So post guff.
READ THE WORD IN BOLD.0 -
TaIshmaelZ said:
Yes, twice this year.Leon said:
Have you been? During lockdown?IshmaelZ said:
Business as usual at mine, and the mask up pretty well anyway.Leon said:
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?0 -
Black tea is I am sure doing bad things to mine. I can't remember the last time I went to the dentist to be honest, probably at least 3 years ago. British people are meant to have horrible teeth.Leon said:
My consumption of strong coffee and red wine means they need a proOnlyLivingBoy said:
Just get a toothbrush and clean them yourself.Leon said:
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?0 -
They'll still be able to sell fresh lamb, albeit with a lot of extra hassle, vets' bills and red tape. Thank goodness we at least got a thin deal, so lamb exports won't be subject to a tariff of around 45%; that would have been a real killer in the 'Britain will prosper mightily' scenario.eek said:
For farmers it's not so bad - while we used to sell fresh lamb they can keep things as they were but just sell mutton instead.Richard_Nabavi said:The most amazing thing is that anyone is in the least bit surprised that our fishing and seafood industry is being absolutely pole-axed by Brexit. That was just about the most obvious of all the obvious consequences of Brexit, once it became clear that for reasons of pure ideology we weren't going to do what was necessary to retain EU sanitary and phytosanitary approval. It's pretty bad for our other food exports, but for a product which absolutely has to be delivered spanking fresh it is disastrous.
No doubt things will improve a little once the government gets round to writing and testing some computer systems and telling people what the rules are (rules which we've known about for decades, since we helped write them and have long been enforcing for third-country imports ourselves), but there will still be a massive medium-term hit.
This was of course very widely warned about. But the half-wit government we've landed ourselves with simply ignored the issue.0 -
248k, not enough again.CarlottaVance said:England: 248,177 total jabs yesterday, 239,815 first, 8,362 second. Total up 32% day on day, first 38%, second down 37%
Needs to keep trending sharply upwards.
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Must read for anyone considering/invested in football index;
https://caanberry.com/is-football-index-a-ponzi-scheme/
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I got an appointment Monday. Cleaning. Which is pretty crucial if you haven’t had it done for a yearStocky said:
Of course you should go if you can - I went yesterday. Extraction.Leon said:
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?
AFAIK it is important stuff only - at least it is with our dental practice. No chance of a regular check up or a visit to hygienist (which I presume you are referring to) round here.
I`m worried me about my children who haven`t had check ups for over a year.0 -
That's England onlyAnabobazina said:
248k, not enough again.CarlottaVance said:England: 248,177 total jabs yesterday, 239,815 first, 8,362 second. Total up 32% day on day, first 38%, second down 37%
Needs to keep trending sharply upwards.4 -
WTAF is Club Med doing with vaccinations??
Can anyone explain the absolutely bloody dismal returns in France and Spain?0 -
Tell me which countries export fresh (the word in bold) fish to the EU...Luckyguy1983 said:
READ THE QUOTE AGAIN.RochdalePioneers said:
The thing about frozen fish is that its frozen. If the refrigerated trailer it's packed in loses an extra few days queuing for customs there's no harm to the product. So its not an issue for frozen imports from Vietnam.Luckyguy1983 said:
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction:RochdalePioneers said:
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?Luckyguy1983 said:
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_enRochdalePioneers said:
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.Luckyguy1983 said:
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.eek said:
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).RochdalePioneers said:
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.Luckyguy1983 said:
Seafood Scotland is an industry body that has been funded by the EU, and The Scottish Government:RochdalePioneers said:
Have you read the article?Richard_Tyndall said:
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.eek said:Have we seen this yet
https://twitter.com/fishingforleave/status/1347450935472254977
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories
2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on”
3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation."
4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
You were saying...?
https://www.fishfarmingexpert.com/article/eu-cash-boost-for-seafood-scotland/
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/ssa-seafish-must-change/
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
Fresh fish? That has to be shipped quickly. Which makes its market local. Which makes your map of the globe only to demonstrate your ignorance of the topic on which you are posting.
It is Fresh Fish that is rotting. Not frozen. "It doesn't work eh" because you can't ship fresh fish from fucking Vietnam or America or wherever. Eh. So the process doesn't work for these other countries, eh, because it doesn't.
You are like Philip. Clueless. But desperate to defend the government. So post guff.
READ THE WORD IN BOLD.
Hint it's not Vietnam or the USA...0 -
I think there could be various variables.Flatlander said:
It looks like it varies according to vaccine then.TOPPING said:
At my mother's (her again!) local hospital vaccine centre they were doing 350 a day a fortnight ago and were expecting to ramp up the following week (1st week of Jan) to 500.Flatlander said:
If spread betting, I'd go for just under 500Andy_JS said:
That would be useful information to know.NerysHughes said:My wife is doing a 4 hour shift at a vaccination centre this afternoon. I have asked her to count how many she does in that time period
This was with immediate registration on entrance, waiting 1 min, then 3 min assessment filling in the forms online with one doctor (nurse? not sure), 1 min waiting, 2 mins with the doctor (they had several rooms each with a doctor in) who assessed her in person and administered the jab, and waiting the 15 minutes marshalled by one orderly.
While we were there (22 mins!
) there was minimal waiting and there were about 5-10 people at any one time in the 15 minute waiting area.
Let someone on PB disaggregate that and work out likely vaccination rates.
Edit: they seemed very not busy but it could easily have been very good planning for throughput.
Local football stadium.
Today: straight in the door (just turn up on or near appointment time). Three desks. Who are you (computer form), here's your card, here's your AZN jab, next. Rate limited by speed of vaccination and form filling. 5 minutes in and out.
Last week: Who are you, here's your card and sticker with your exit time, here's your Pfizer jab, sit over there until your exit time, next. Rate limited by number of chairs (30-35). 20 minutes in and out.
So my Dad had his vaccine on Tuesday. Was in, vaccinated and seated for his 15min wait in the space of 2 -3 min. Very impressive.
Next day, same location, same vaccine a friend of his had a 2.5 hour wait.
Sounds like, as you would expect, they are running on the Ryanair model - Very slick, going for high turnover efficiency. But when something goes wrong in the critical path it crashes.
I have to say, in the current circumstances, this is the correct way to do it. You want the high turnover, so if it goes wrong the punter has to suck it up rather than building in contingencies (although I would have been frustrated if it happened to me).0 -
May/June? That's just unbelievable.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.0 -
If she's learning to drive, is that not by definition "education" ?Stocky said:
Excellent - thanks for that - we could argue education or going to supermarket!rpjs said:
https://www.gov.uk/driving-lessons-learning-to-driveStocky said:Anyone know what the rules are about going for a short ride in car (within 5 miles) (not getting out of car at any point). No risk obviously, but common sense seems out of fashion.
Daughter upset because her driving lessons have stopped and wants to go out with me with L plates on in a nearby industrial estate for a practice. I don`t want to get nicked.
"Learning to drive during coronavirus (COVID-19)
"You cannot take driving lessons in England, Scotland or Wales.
"You can only practise driving with members of your household or support bubble. It must be travel for work, education or other essential journeys." 1 -
Ooooh! Now that is better. Sorry, I assumed the 248k was UK.CarlottaVance said:
248k in ENGLAND is great.0 -
Self-isolating in Monaco, eh? How tough can it get?Morris_Dancer said:F1: who's got COVID-19? It is he, Leclerc:
https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/13497258195983728650 -
But frozen fish is a commodity product worth less than 10% of it's fresh equivalent and without any of strict limits that fresh fish has where it's value drops by the hour.Luckyguy1983 said:
May I suggest his question was a pathetic attempt to fix on something in my response that he found somewhat whimsical, to cover up the fact that his entire argument, that you can't export fish into the EU from outside it, is now nothing more than a smouldering crater.eek said:
May I suggest you go back to Rochdale's question and think about your answer.Luckyguy1983 said:
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction:RochdalePioneers said:
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?Luckyguy1983 said:
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_enRochdalePioneers said:
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.Luckyguy1983 said:
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.eek said:
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).RochdalePioneers said:
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.Luckyguy1983 said:
Seafood Scotland is an industry body that has been funded by the EU, and The Scottish Government:RochdalePioneers said:
Have you read the article?Richard_Tyndall said:
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.eek said:Have we seen this yet
https://twitter.com/fishingforleave/status/1347450935472254977
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories
2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on”
3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation."
4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
You were saying...?
https://www.fishfarmingexpert.com/article/eu-cash-boost-for-seafood-scotland/
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/ssa-seafish-must-change/
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
Live exports have far tighter restrictions (but far higher market prices) than frozen products.
The exports you are comparing us to are both very different and far more of a bulk none premium product.
It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU.
It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so.
It is clear that this includes fresh fish, as well as crustaceans and molluscs - that information is also provided in the information I posted.
Since it is clearly not impossible, or even unprofitable, to sell fish to the EU, from countries further afield than the UK, it then becomes quite clear that these are administrative problems that can be worked on, some being solved in days, some in weeks, a few in months. Unfortunately that doesn't help the hand-flapping argument of the Scottish Government and associated hangers on that it's all an insoluble feature of not being in the EU.
The fact you can't see that article is combining very different things and treating them as a single product pretending that fresh and frozen fish are identical is a problem you have - it's not one me or Rochdale have.0 -
For once (finally!) they may be under promising, planning on over delivering:
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It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.Andy_JS said:
May/June? That's just unbelievable.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.0 -
Malmesbury said:
That's England onlyAnabobazina said:
248k, not enough again.CarlottaVance said:England: 248,177 total jabs yesterday, 239,815 first, 8,362 second. Total up 32% day on day, first 38%, second down 37%
Needs to keep trending sharply upwards.
Yes, apologies, just seen my error.
Pretty darned good!0 -
The Independent's front page from yesterday looking a touch out of date already.Leon said:
Quarter of a million a day. Excellent. Close to target already. Now they need to exceed itCarlottaVance said:England: 248,177 total jabs yesterday, 239,815 first, 8,362 second. Total up 32% day on day, first 38%, second down 37%
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There is no logical through road from "The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled" to "It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU. It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so." What proportion is fresh, from which countries, and how much money is involved?Luckyguy1983 said:
May I suggest his question was a pathetic attempt to fix on something in my response that he found somewhat whimsical, to cover up the fact that his entire argument, that you can't export fish into the EU from outside it, is now nothing more than a smouldering crater.eek said:
May I suggest you go back to Rochdale's question and think about your answer.Luckyguy1983 said:
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction:RochdalePioneers said:
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?Luckyguy1983 said:
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_enRochdalePioneers said:
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.Luckyguy1983 said:
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.eek said:
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).RochdalePioneers said:
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.Luckyguy1983 said:
Seafood Scotland is an industry body that has been funded by the EU, and The Scottish Government:RochdalePioneers said:
Have you read the article?Richard_Tyndall said:
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.eek said:Have we seen this yet
https://twitter.com/fishingforleave/status/1347450935472254977
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories
2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on”
3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation."
4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
You were saying...?
https://www.fishfarmingexpert.com/article/eu-cash-boost-for-seafood-scotland/
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/ssa-seafish-must-change/
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
Live exports have far tighter restrictions (but far higher market prices) than frozen products.
The exports you are comparing us to are both very different and far more of a bulk none premium product.
It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU.
It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so.
It is clear that this includes fresh fish, as well as crustaceans and molluscs - that information is also provided in the information I posted.
Since it is clearly not impossible, or even unprofitable, to sell fish to the EU, from countries further afield than the UK, it then becomes quite clear that these are administrative problems that can be worked on, some being solved in days, some in weeks, a few in months. Unfortunately that doesn't help the hand-flapping argument of the Scottish Government and associated hangers on that it's all an insoluble feature of not being in the EU.0 -
Re your italics, it's to be expected that 2nd doses will be dropping off between now and about 12 weeks into the year.CarlottaVance said:England: 248,177 total jabs yesterday, 239,815 first, 8,362 second. Total up 32% day on day, first 38%, second down 37%
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You really should go, as soon as you can given the pandemic. It's not the teeth per se you should worry about, it's gum disease, which can lead to disagreeable consequences and is difficult to treat once it gets hold.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Black tea is I am sure doing bad things to mine. I can't remember the last time I went to the dentist to be honest, probably at least 3 years ago. British people are meant to have horrible teeth.0 -
What about vaccinations?NerysHughes said:Just had a non-specific text from my wife saying she had done "bloody loads"
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A friend of mine (in his 30s undergoing chemotherapy) has been booked in to get his vaccination at the start of February. Will need to take a 2 week pause in his chemo beforehand.
So they're starting to book in Priority Group 4 it seems.2 -
Scale and polish won't really help if you've got stained teeth (coffee and red wine). You should get some Crest whitestrips.Leon said:
I got an appointment Monday. Cleaning. Which is pretty crucial if you haven’t had it done for a yearStocky said:
Of course you should go if you can - I went yesterday. Extraction.Leon said:
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?
AFAIK it is important stuff only - at least it is with our dental practice. No chance of a regular check up or a visit to hygienist (which I presume you are referring to) round here.
I`m worried me about my children who haven`t had check ups for over a year.0 -
Was Tuesday's front page I think. Nowt wrong with it either.RobD said:
The Independent's front page from yesterday looking a touch out of date already.Leon said:
Quarter of a million a day. Excellent. Close to target already. Now they need to exceed itCarlottaVance said:England: 248,177 total jabs yesterday, 239,815 first, 8,362 second. Total up 32% day on day, first 38%, second down 37%
Keep the pressure on the government.0 -
But it isn't quantified, is it? Flouncy capitals = losing the argument.Luckyguy1983 said:
READ THE QUOTE AGAIN.RochdalePioneers said:
The thing about frozen fish is that its frozen. If the refrigerated trailer it's packed in loses an extra few days queuing for customs there's no harm to the product. So its not an issue for frozen imports from Vietnam.Luckyguy1983 said:
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction:RochdalePioneers said:
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?Luckyguy1983 said:
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_enRochdalePioneers said:
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.Luckyguy1983 said:
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.eek said:
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).RochdalePioneers said:
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.Luckyguy1983 said:
Seafood Scotland is an industry body that has been funded by the EU, and The Scottish Government:RochdalePioneers said:
Have you read the article?Richard_Tyndall said:
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.eek said:Have we seen this yet
https://twitter.com/fishingforleave/status/1347450935472254977
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories
2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on”
3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation."
4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
You were saying...?
https://www.fishfarmingexpert.com/article/eu-cash-boost-for-seafood-scotland/
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/ssa-seafish-must-change/
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
Fresh fish? That has to be shipped quickly. Which makes its market local. Which makes your map of the globe only to demonstrate your ignorance of the topic on which you are posting.
It is Fresh Fish that is rotting. Not frozen. "It doesn't work eh" because you can't ship fresh fish from fucking Vietnam or America or wherever. Eh. So the process doesn't work for these other countries, eh, because it doesn't.
You are like Philip. Clueless. But desperate to defend the government. So post guff.
READ THE WORD IN BOLD.0 -
You are in a flat - it's not as nice as isolating in a house with a garden.Peter_the_Punter said:
Self-isolating in Monaco, eh? How tough can it get?Morris_Dancer said:F1: who's got COVID-19? It is he, Leclerc:
https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/1349725819598372865
Mind you Nice had snow last weekend so it's not the typical weather down there.0 -
THEY'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING GOOD AND ALMOST TIMELY ALERT
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1349745992099364868
Even banning travel from Portugal as well as an obvious transit point.0 -
I wouldn't, Leon. Unless there is a truly contentious kissing issue with a significant other I'd just stay at home with the bad mouth until this is over.Leon said:
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?0 -
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Thanks, maybe I should schedule something. I got out of the habit because the dentist would only offer NHS appointments during work hours so I could never go. Not going private.Richard_Nabavi said:
You really should go, as soon as you can given the pandemic. It's not the teeth per se you should worry about, it's gum disease, which can lead to disagreeable consequences and is difficult to treat once it gets hold.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Black tea is I am sure doing bad things to mine. I can't remember the last time I went to the dentist to be honest, probably at least 3 years ago. British people are meant to have horrible teeth.0 -
"Influential Tories".* Oh dear.....
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1349744734139514880?s=20
*Steve Baker, legend in his own lunchtime.....2 -
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.Anabobazina said:
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.Andy_JS said:
May/June? That's just unbelievable.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.0 -
I think we can be quietly satisfied with that trend for this week in England. Even more so if it keeps on into next week.Anabobazina said:
248k, not enough again.CarlottaVance said:England: 248,177 total jabs yesterday, 239,815 first, 8,362 second. Total up 32% day on day, first 38%, second down 37%
Needs to keep trending sharply upwards.1 -
That's England only data, will be another 25-40k from NI, Scotland and Wales.Anabobazina said:
248k, not enough again.CarlottaVance said:England: 248,177 total jabs yesterday, 239,815 first, 8,362 second. Total up 32% day on day, first 38%, second down 37%
Needs to keep trending sharply upwards.0 -
Why? It's actually working.CarlottaVance said:"Influential Tories". Oh dear.....
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Several times, no problem.Leon said:
Have you been? During lockdown?IshmaelZ said:
Business as usual at mine, and the mask up pretty well anyway.Leon said:
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?
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I do like the way this is turning out like an election day on PB:
"Brisk turnout at the West Meads vaccination centre..."
"Quiet this morning, but it's ramping up now..."
"My wife texted me to say they are really busy..."
"If it continues like this, we'll hit 270K by tomorrow..."11 -
In fact he was groomed by Richard Tyndall.williamglenn said:
This is a process known as radicalisation.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes that is in March 2016 that is me. My views changed in 2016 from Remain, to EEA to fully out as the campaign progressed based on the arguments of the campaign.williamglenn said:
Are you the same Philip Thompson who said during the referendum campaign that you personally favoured the EEA but that the type of Brexit was "a debate for the future" and advocated a second referendum on joining the EEA?Philip_Thompson said:
Don't know how you missed it, Remainers bleated on about it loads.No_Offence_Alan said:Another big bus I missed during the Brexit campaign - "There will be lots more paperwork - suck it up!".
But in any case, in a referendum it is the job of Remainers to provide the reasons against leaving. If they didn't put it on a bus, have a word with them for not bothering.
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/982270/#Comment_982270
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/982286/#Comment_982286
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You prompted me to give it a go. Much to my surprise I got in with dental hygienist next Thursday. They apologised that prices had gone up due to PPE, disinfecting etc - £99 ! Wow. That`s a 100% increase.Leon said:
I got an appointment Monday. Cleaning. Which is pretty crucial if you haven’t had it done for a yearStocky said:
Of course you should go if you can - I went yesterday. Extraction.Leon said:
Portugal is really bad too. Similar soaring rate to Ireland, so maybe Kentish Covid is doing its thing there, too. Total lockdown for 2 months from tomorrow.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
Dental question for Pb-ers. My teeth are in a right old state. Haven’t been cleaned for a year. Just forgot, when I had a chance in the summer.
If I leave it much longer I’ll get gum problems. And dentists are open so I could get an appointment. Worth the risk?
AFAIK it is important stuff only - at least it is with our dental practice. No chance of a regular check up or a visit to hygienist (which I presume you are referring to) round here.
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Brittas will still be complaining though. Should be doing 8 days a week, 25hrs hrs a day.3 -
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Then build more, subsidise BioNTech to build more, we knew this was coming for a year. The UK government literally paid AZ to build UK manufacturing capacity for the Oxford vaccine. It was, iirc, one of the reasons we didn't go into the EU scheme because it would not have covered what we were planning with onshoring the AZ/Ox vaccine and we'd have had to scale back our ambitions to just a standard purchase agreement with AZ procuring supply from the Serum Institute of India and a few smaller scale manufacturers in Europe and America and nothing domestic.eek said:
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.Anabobazina said:
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.Andy_JS said:
May/June? That's just unbelievable.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.1 -
How do they suppose they are going to get out of all this?felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.0 -
Let's read the small print. Does he mean "arrivals" (or specifically "anyone who has been present in country X in the last 14 days") or does he mean "flights"?Alistair said:THEY'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING GOOD AND ALMOST TIMELY ALERT
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1349745992099364868
Even banning travel from Portugal as well as an obvious transit point.0 -
https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1349746930155446274 Momentous news from Scotland.1
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Yes the EU should have done so a year ago.MaxPB said:
Then build more, subsidise BioNTech to build more, we knew this was coming for a year. The UK government literally paid AZ to build UK manufacturing capacity for the Oxford vaccine. It was, iirc, one of the reasons we didn't go into the EU scheme because it would not have covered what we were planning with onshoring the AZ/Ox vaccine and we'd have had to scale back our ambitions to just a standard purchase agreement with AZ procuring supply from the Serum Institute of India and a few smaller scale manufacturers in Europe and America and nothing domestic.eek said:
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.Anabobazina said:
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.Andy_JS said:
May/June? That's just unbelievable.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
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Yeah, that's surprising, we should have banned incoming travel from the Netherlands as part of our SA ban.Alistair said:THEY'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING GOOD AND ALMOST TIMELY ALERT
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1349745992099364868
Even banning travel from Portugal as well as an obvious transit point.0 -
What took him so long?anothernick said:Richard Leonard has quit as Scottish Labour leader
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Load of berks, no doubt.CarlottaVance said:"Influential Tories".* Oh dear.....
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1349744734139514880?s=20
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With 16k from Scotland that might be a tad optimistic.MaxPB said:
That's England only data, will be another 25-40k from NI, Scotland and Wales.Anabobazina said:
248k, not enough again.CarlottaVance said:England: 248,177 total jabs yesterday, 239,815 first, 8,362 second. Total up 32% day on day, first 38%, second down 37%
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The hand of history was on his shoulders.Richard_Nabavi said:
What took him so long?anothernick said:Richard Leonard has quit as Scottish Labour leader
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BBC News really going for that coveted No Shit Sherlock Award:
"Covid has 'calamitous impact' on surgery wait times"
Why do they think we have had a series of lockdowns to stop the NHS crashing further?
Also, in the same issue, clearly in the running for both the Shoe-horning Advertising Our Programming into Covid News Award AND the Who Really Gives A Fuck? Award:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-55650668
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And who is being held accountable for that error. The UK government had the foresight to onshore manufacturing and include priority supply clauses in it's Pfizer and J&J contracts as they weren't going to be manufactured here. Who pays the price in the EU for not paying BioNTech to build capacity in Germany? If the German government were running their own scheme I have absolutely no doubt that domestic manufacturing would have been part of the deal.eek said:
Yes the EU should have done so a year ago.MaxPB said:
Then build more, subsidise BioNTech to build more, we knew this was coming for a year. The UK government literally paid AZ to build UK manufacturing capacity for the Oxford vaccine. It was, iirc, one of the reasons we didn't go into the EU scheme because it would not have covered what we were planning with onshoring the AZ/Ox vaccine and we'd have had to scale back our ambitions to just a standard purchase agreement with AZ procuring supply from the Serum Institute of India and a few smaller scale manufacturers in Europe and America and nothing domestic.eek said:
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.Anabobazina said:
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.Andy_JS said:
May/June? That's just unbelievable.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
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Going to be just short of 300k vaccinations across UK yesterday. Probably 285-290k ish.
Get the old Quattro up another gear with the pharmacies coming online over the next few days, might be seeing 350k per day by end of next week.6 -
You can't easily import FRESH fish. Nobody said anything about frozen you halfwit.Luckyguy1983 said:May I suggest his question was a pathetic attempt to fix on something in my response that he found somewhat whimsical, to cover up the fact that his entire argument, that you can't export fish into the EU from outside it, is now nothing more than a smouldering crater.
It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU.
It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so.
It is clear that this includes fresh fish, as well as crustaceans and molluscs - that information is also provided in the information I posted.
Since it is clearly not impossible, or even unprofitable, to sell fish to the EU, from countries further afield than the UK, it then becomes quite clear that these are administrative problems that can be worked on, some being solved in days, some in weeks, a few in months. Unfortunately that doesn't help the hand-flapping argument of the Scottish Government and associated hangers on that it's all an insoluble feature of not being in the EU.
Read the report that you posted. There is no breakdown of Fresh imports from the rest of the world. In the data tables it only refers to "Fresh and Chilled". And non-EU includes Norway. Which is in the EEA. And doesn't require the paperwork that we do.
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An early and notable advantage of Brexit.MaxPB said:
Then build more, subsidise BioNTech to build more, we knew this was coming for a year. The UK government literally paid AZ to build UK manufacturing capacity for the Oxford vaccine. It was, iirc, one of the reasons we didn't go into the EU scheme because it would not have covered what we were planning with onshoring the AZ/Ox vaccine and we'd have had to scale back our ambitions to just a standard purchase agreement with AZ procuring supply from the Serum Institute of India and a few smaller scale manufacturers in Europe and America and nothing domestic.eek said:
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.Anabobazina said:
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.Andy_JS said:
May/June? That's just unbelievable.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
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Its going to be Norway. Or Iceland. In the EEA. Unlike the UK.eek said:
Tell me which countries export fresh (the word in bold) fish to the EU...Luckyguy1983 said:
READ THE QUOTE AGAIN.RochdalePioneers said:
The thing about frozen fish is that its frozen. If the refrigerated trailer it's packed in loses an extra few days queuing for customs there's no harm to the product. So its not an issue for frozen imports from Vietnam.Luckyguy1983 said:
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction:RochdalePioneers said:
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?Luckyguy1983 said:
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_enRochdalePioneers said:
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.Luckyguy1983 said:
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.eek said:
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).RochdalePioneers said:
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.Luckyguy1983 said:
Seafood Scotland is an industry body that has been funded by the EU, and The Scottish Government:RochdalePioneers said:
Have you read the article?Richard_Tyndall said:
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.eek said:Have we seen this yet
https://twitter.com/fishingforleave/status/1347450935472254977
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories
2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on”
3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation."
4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
You were saying...?
https://www.fishfarmingexpert.com/article/eu-cash-boost-for-seafood-scotland/
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/ssa-seafish-must-change/
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
Fresh fish? That has to be shipped quickly. Which makes its market local. Which makes your map of the globe only to demonstrate your ignorance of the topic on which you are posting.
It is Fresh Fish that is rotting. Not frozen. "It doesn't work eh" because you can't ship fresh fish from fucking Vietnam or America or wherever. Eh. So the process doesn't work for these other countries, eh, because it doesn't.
You are like Philip. Clueless. But desperate to defend the government. So post guff.
READ THE WORD IN BOLD.
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Who?anothernick said:Richard Leonard has quit as Scottish Labour leader
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"It's a shame" seems like pathetically weak phraseology for what appears to be a public health disaster playing out in real time.eek said:
Yes the EU should have done so a year ago.MaxPB said:
Then build more, subsidise BioNTech to build more, we knew this was coming for a year. The UK government literally paid AZ to build UK manufacturing capacity for the Oxford vaccine. It was, iirc, one of the reasons we didn't go into the EU scheme because it would not have covered what we were planning with onshoring the AZ/Ox vaccine and we'd have had to scale back our ambitions to just a standard purchase agreement with AZ procuring supply from the Serum Institute of India and a few smaller scale manufacturers in Europe and America and nothing domestic.eek said:
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.Anabobazina said:
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.Andy_JS said:
May/June? That's just unbelievable.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
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Supplementary detail is always useful, but as it goes, there absolutely is a logical connection between those two points.IshmaelZ said:
There is no logical through road from "The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled" to "It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU. It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so." What proportion is fresh, from which countries, and how much money is involved?Luckyguy1983 said:
May I suggest his question was a pathetic attempt to fix on something in my response that he found somewhat whimsical, to cover up the fact that his entire argument, that you can't export fish into the EU from outside it, is now nothing more than a smouldering crater.eek said:
May I suggest you go back to Rochdale's question and think about your answer.Luckyguy1983 said:
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction:RochdalePioneers said:
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?Luckyguy1983 said:
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_enRochdalePioneers said:
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.Luckyguy1983 said:
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.eek said:
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).RochdalePioneers said:
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.Luckyguy1983 said:
Seafood Scotland is an industry body that has been funded by the EU, and The Scottish Government:RochdalePioneers said:
Have you read the article?Richard_Tyndall said:
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.eek said:Have we seen this yet
https://twitter.com/fishingforleave/status/1347450935472254977
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories
2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on”
3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation."
4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
You were saying...?
https://www.fishfarmingexpert.com/article/eu-cash-boost-for-seafood-scotland/
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/ssa-seafish-must-change/
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
Live exports have far tighter restrictions (but far higher market prices) than frozen products.
The exports you are comparing us to are both very different and far more of a bulk none premium product.
It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU.
It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so.
It is clear that this includes fresh fish, as well as crustaceans and molluscs - that information is also provided in the information I posted.
Since it is clearly not impossible, or even unprofitable, to sell fish to the EU, from countries further afield than the UK, it then becomes quite clear that these are administrative problems that can be worked on, some being solved in days, some in weeks, a few in months. Unfortunately that doesn't help the hand-flapping argument of the Scottish Government and associated hangers on that it's all an insoluble feature of not being in the EU.
We are being told the additional requirements under our current trade deal (which don't forget means no tariffs on fish exports) are not teething problems, but an insurmountable barrier to exporting fish into the EU. That is a position that is utterly insupportable by actual facts.0 -
That seems a bit slow, is there bad weather holding it up? Wales did 10k yesterday and NI 7.2k first jabs and 2.5k second jabs. Even a repeat performance takes the UK total over 280k which I think is pretty decent, especially if they are almost all first jabs.CarlottaVance said:
With 16k from Scotland that might be a tad optimistic.MaxPB said:
That's England only data, will be another 25-40k from NI, Scotland and Wales.Anabobazina said:
248k, not enough again.CarlottaVance said:England: 248,177 total jabs yesterday, 239,815 first, 8,362 second. Total up 32% day on day, first 38%, second down 37%
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Not so much a case of "we forget so soon" as "we never remembered,...."RochdalePioneers said:
Who?anothernick said:Richard Leonard has quit as Scottish Labour leader
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According to this page, the UK has done more jabs than almost all other European countries added together, excluding Russia.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=latest&country=ALB~AND~AUT~BLR~BEL~BIH~BGR~HRV~CYP~CZE~DNK~EST~FIN~FRA~DEU~GRC~HUN~ISL~IRL~ITA~OWID_KOS~LVA~LIE~LTU~LUX~MLT~MDA~MCO~MNE~NLD~MKD~NOR~POL~PRT~ROU~RUS~SMR~SRB~SVK~SVN~ESP~SWE~CHE~UKR~GBR~VAT®ion=World&vaccinationsMetric=true&interval=total&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=total_vaccinations_per_hundred&pickerSort=desc0 -
Understandable as they missed out the surname.RochdalePioneers said:
Who?anothernick said:Richard Leonard has quit as Scottish Labour leader
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It will definitely be 500,000 next week. Each surgery will be operating like a flu vaccine clinic using the AZ vaccine.MarqueeMark said:
A1, Boris....FrancisUrquhart said:Going to be just short of 300k vaccinations across UK yesterday.
Now for 500k.0 -
The reports were delivery of 3.8m new doses next week. So supply should be there.MarqueeMark said:
A1, Boris....FrancisUrquhart said:Going to be just short of 300k vaccinations across UK yesterday.
Now for 500k.0 -
Pence on 39% favourable in the same poll. 75% favourable with RepublicansScott_xP said:
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/4yijjbkc2z/econTabReport.pdf#table.1610 -
As we slog through the mud and the rain on the Cotswold Way my dog and I feel for you.eek said:
You are in a flat - it's not as nice as isolating in a house with a garden.Peter_the_Punter said:
Self-isolating in Monaco, eh? How tough can it get?Morris_Dancer said:F1: who's got COVID-19? It is he, Leclerc:
https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/1349725819598372865
Mind you Nice had snow last weekend so it's not the typical weather down there.0 -
The next crucial milestone is all care home residents done. Then all the over 80s.
With those all having had at least one dose, that should have a significant effect on deaths in the coming weeks.0 -
The threatened formation of the Punch Grants Shapps in the Face Party is working.....Alistair said:THEY'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING GOOD AND ALMOST TIMELY ALERT
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1349745992099364868
Even banning travel from Portugal as well as an obvious transit point.0 -
FRESH fish. From outside the EEA not just the EU. Importing fresh fish from Norway into the UK - what your link shows - is not importing fresh fish from a 3rd country into the EU.Luckyguy1983 said:
Supplementary detail is always useful, but as it goes, there absolutely is a logical connection between those two points.IshmaelZ said:
There is no logical through road from "The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled" to "It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU. It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so." What proportion is fresh, from which countries, and how much money is involved?Luckyguy1983 said:
May I suggest his question was a pathetic attempt to fix on something in my response that he found somewhat whimsical, to cover up the fact that his entire argument, that you can't export fish into the EU from outside it, is now nothing more than a smouldering crater.eek said:
May I suggest you go back to Rochdale's question and think about your answer.Luckyguy1983 said:
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction:RochdalePioneers said:
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?Luckyguy1983 said:
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_enRochdalePioneers said:
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.Luckyguy1983 said:
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.eek said:
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).RochdalePioneers said:
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.Luckyguy1983 said:
Seafood Scotland is an industry body that has been funded by the EU, and The Scottish Government:RochdalePioneers said:
Have you read the article?Richard_Tyndall said:
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.eek said:Have we seen this yet
https://twitter.com/fishingforleave/status/1347450935472254977
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories
2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on”
3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation."
4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
You were saying...?
https://www.fishfarmingexpert.com/article/eu-cash-boost-for-seafood-scotland/
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/ssa-seafish-must-change/
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
Live exports have far tighter restrictions (but far higher market prices) than frozen products.
The exports you are comparing us to are both very different and far more of a bulk none premium product.
It is clear that you *can* export fish into the EU.
It is clear that several countries make a lot of money from doing so.
It is clear that this includes fresh fish, as well as crustaceans and molluscs - that information is also provided in the information I posted.
Since it is clearly not impossible, or even unprofitable, to sell fish to the EU, from countries further afield than the UK, it then becomes quite clear that these are administrative problems that can be worked on, some being solved in days, some in weeks, a few in months. Unfortunately that doesn't help the hand-flapping argument of the Scottish Government and associated hangers on that it's all an insoluble feature of not being in the EU.
We are being told the additional requirements under our current trade deal (which don't forget means no tariffs on fish exports) are not teething problems, but an insurmountable barrier to exporting fish into the EU. That is a position that is utterly insupportable by actual facts.
You hadn't actually read the report when you posted it, had you?0 -
It'll be the thickest of the the thick tories.RobD said:
Why? It's actually working.CarlottaVance said:"Influential Tories". Oh dear.....
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1349744734139514880?s=20
The public want this sorted, but sorted properly. However long it takes. March or April at the earliest.
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Will any of us notice?Scott_xP said:0 -
With the good news on vaccinations, we wait what will be terrible daily reported death numbers.0
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Norway aren't in the customs union though so what is fundamentally different?RochdalePioneers said:
Its going to be Norway. Or Iceland. In the EEA. Unlike the UK.eek said:
Tell me which countries export fresh (the word in bold) fish to the EU...Luckyguy1983 said:
READ THE QUOTE AGAIN.RochdalePioneers said:
The thing about frozen fish is that its frozen. If the refrigerated trailer it's packed in loses an extra few days queuing for customs there's no harm to the product. So its not an issue for frozen imports from Vietnam.Luckyguy1983 said:
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction:RochdalePioneers said:
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?Luckyguy1983 said:
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_enRochdalePioneers said:
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.Luckyguy1983 said:
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.eek said:
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).RochdalePioneers said:
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.Luckyguy1983 said:
Seafood Scotland is an industry body that has been funded by the EU, and The Scottish Government:RochdalePioneers said:
Have you read the article?Richard_Tyndall said:
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.eek said:Have we seen this yet
https://twitter.com/fishingforleave/status/1347450935472254977
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories
2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on”
3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation."
4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
You were saying...?
https://www.fishfarmingexpert.com/article/eu-cash-boost-for-seafood-scotland/
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/ssa-seafish-must-change/
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
Fresh fish? That has to be shipped quickly. Which makes its market local. Which makes your map of the globe only to demonstrate your ignorance of the topic on which you are posting.
It is Fresh Fish that is rotting. Not frozen. "It doesn't work eh" because you can't ship fresh fish from fucking Vietnam or America or wherever. Eh. So the process doesn't work for these other countries, eh, because it doesn't.
You are like Philip. Clueless. But desperate to defend the government. So post guff.
READ THE WORD IN BOLD.
Hint it's not Vietnam or the USA...0 -
Shapps used to be a maggot farmer you know. See below. I love some of the comments.MarqueeMark said:
The threatened formation of the Punch Grants Shapps in the Face Party is working.....Alistair said:THEY'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING GOOD AND ALMOST TIMELY ALERT
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1349745992099364868
Even banning travel from Portugal as well as an obvious transit point.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/22/grant-shapps-tory-green-aliens-stewart-lee0 -
The flaneur. Book on lap, eyes elsewhere. Coffee lasts an age. Great thing to do.Stocky said:
Only 50 mins by train for me. I happily wander around going from cafe to cafe. Sometimes it can get a bit OCD - with me vetting possible cafes before committing myself. Key features are proper espresso machine (obvs) and comfy chair (sofa ideally) to sit and people-watch. Easter maybe?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I love London and am sure the millions who live there do so as wellAndy_JS said:
I like both of them. And it's only an hour by train.Anabobazina said:
It's a long tradition on PB of people who hate London, have never lived in London, have no wish to live in London, telling Londoners how much money/space they could 'gain' by living in Not London.Stocky said:
Lichfield thoughydoethur said:
Midlands has surely got an older population than London? Can think of lots of people who retired to Staffordshire from the Smoke (sell that mid-size that needs a bit of work for a huge sum, live like a king in a gorgeous house in Lichfield for the rest of your life.)Andy_JS said:"A regional breakdown of England's vaccines rollout shows the Midlands leading the way in the number of jabs administered, while London has the lowest vaccination rate."
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-more-than-2-3m-vaccine-jabs-given-across-england-as-midlands-leads-the-way-12187569
What they don't seem to grasp is that many of us love London, don't want to leave London and have no desire whatsoever to live in Lichfield.
The flaneur. That's what they call it in Paris. In London? - no equivalent term sadly.1 -
The public is OK to be at home in winter when a quarter of a million plus are being vaccinated daily.Slackbladder said:
It'll be the thickest of the the thick tories.RobD said:
Why? It's actually working.CarlottaVance said:"Influential Tories". Oh dear.....
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1349744734139514880?s=20
The public want this sorted, but sorted properly. However long it takes. March or April at the earliest.
Get it sorted properly by the Spring. Not a half-arsed half-measure.0 -
Of course the answer isn't as simple as it would seem. In an EU scheme subsidies become a lightning rod for arguments over where the money gets spent. If Germany says "BioNTech is a German company, we will keep the manufacturing here" then France says "It's EU money so that means Sanofi deserves the same subsidy for manufacturing in France" and Belgium pipes up and says "well then Valneva needs a bung too" and what was originally a scheme for purchasing vaccines becomes a new vehicle for pharma subsidies, no contracts are signed because of the interminable arguments over which company gets which subsidies and where the jobs land.Anabobazina said:
"It's a shame" seems like pathetically weak phraseology for what appears to be a public health disaster playing out in real time.eek said:
Yes the EU should have done so a year ago.MaxPB said:
Then build more, subsidise BioNTech to build more, we knew this was coming for a year. The UK government literally paid AZ to build UK manufacturing capacity for the Oxford vaccine. It was, iirc, one of the reasons we didn't go into the EU scheme because it would not have covered what we were planning with onshoring the AZ/Ox vaccine and we'd have had to scale back our ambitions to just a standard purchase agreement with AZ procuring supply from the Serum Institute of India and a few smaller scale manufacturers in Europe and America and nothing domestic.eek said:
There is only so much manufacturing capacity to go around - so some countries were always going to lose out.Anabobazina said:
It is absolutely pathetic. I mean, if that is anywhere near true it's an international disgrace on a grand scale.Andy_JS said:
May/June? That's just unbelievable.felix said:
Yes - there is just resignation here in Spain - no urgency and little chance of anyone under 70 seeing a jabe befores May/June at best. Meanwhile the 3rd wave is gathering pace. frankly it's a co mplete clusterfucK!MaxPB said:Having another look at European vaccine stats, I think Denmark have hit the supply wall and Italy are about to hit it. One of the most striking things is that the rate in most countries is constant, there doesn't seem to be any urgency to ramp up quickly as there very obviously is in the UK. I don't know what kind of pressure the German or other European governments are being put under to speed up the process but it is considerable over here with almost every other question for ministers, scientists and the PM being a reformulated version of "why is this happening so slowly?".
As someone suggested yesterday or the day before, not being able to blame the EU in this matter has made Westminster politicians accountable to the people. Were we in the EU scheme it would be a simple case of "not our fault guv" which I think is happening all across Europe right now.
It's a shame they didn't but it's not something that can be fixed rapidly now.0 -
Is that not a question you asked yourself on your journey from Remain to Hard Brexit?Philip_Thompson said:
Norway aren't in the customs union though so what is fundamentally different?RochdalePioneers said:
Its going to be Norway. Or Iceland. In the EEA. Unlike the UK.eek said:
Tell me which countries export fresh (the word in bold) fish to the EU...Luckyguy1983 said:
READ THE QUOTE AGAIN.RochdalePioneers said:
The thing about frozen fish is that its frozen. If the refrigerated trailer it's packed in loses an extra few days queuing for customs there's no harm to the product. So its not an issue for frozen imports from Vietnam.Luckyguy1983 said:
Not sure what that particular nugget has to do with anything. Fresh fish are imported from outside the single market and customs union - this is covered in the introduction:RochdalePioneers said:
Are you saying that the EU imports fresh fish from Vietnam?Luckyguy1983 said:
It just 'doesn't work' eh - odd then how the EU manages to be a net importer of fish (from outside the EU for avoidance of doubt), importing around 26 billion euros worth a year: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/5-external-trade_enRochdalePioneers said:
Why couldn't they prepare for something that doesn't work? Perhaps they should have paid more attention to the official UK government Border Operating Plan manual. Which says virtually nothing about the processes on the EU side of the border which sinks our exports.Luckyguy1983 said:
RT frequently provide figures to back up their stories, but you don't treat anything printed there as gospel, you treat it as propaganda from the mouthpiece of Putin. We take the figures and evidence that says what you want it to say.eek said:
Given that they are presenting evidence with figures to go along their statements why isn't it gospel?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, I'm not saying that, I am sure that the Seafood Scotland representative knows a lot about fishing (the head of Scotland Food & Drink I wouldn't be as sure of at all - his knowledge will be far less specialised, and the Tory MSP's could well be as knowledgable).RochdalePioneers said:
Right. So industry bodies representing fishermen only merit the same weight in their knowledge of fishing as Tory MP.Luckyguy1983 said:
Seafood Scotland is an industry body that has been funded by the EU, and The Scottish Government:RochdalePioneers said:
Have you read the article?Richard_Tyndall said:
I presume these are the wrong sort of fishermen so we shouldn't listen to them.eek said:Have we seen this yet
https://twitter.com/fishingforleave/status/1347450935472254977
Yes we voted for leave and granted you are not involved in fishing but it's remain's fault that we have problem exporting fish.
1. The "SNP hindering fishing" accusation is from the Tories
2. The fisherman quoted in the article says "“I’m questioning whether to carry on”
3. The CEO of Seafood Scotland is quoted saying "“The last 48 hours has really delivered what was expected – new bureaucratic non-tariff barriers, and no one body with the tools to be able to fix the situation."
4. The CEO of Scotland Food and Drink is quoted saying "“We have warned for months about the lack of preparation time for everyone involved and these problems sadly come as little surprise"
Your "wrong sort of fishermen" comment implies the article has fishing folk attacking the Scottish government. They are not. Thats the Tories. The industry is saying "we warned for months. This was expected. Is it worth carrying on"
You were saying...?
https://www.fishfarmingexpert.com/article/eu-cash-boost-for-seafood-scotland/
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/ssa-seafish-must-change/
So it's hardly surprising that the woman quoted launches into a rant about Brexit, whilst also being at pains to give a long and detailed explanation as to why checks by the Scottish agency concerned are taking so long, which absolves them of all blame.
Scotland Food and Drink is another quango funded by the Scottish Government.
These criticisms are no more valid than the opposing ones of the Scottish Tories - and in fact it's far more insidious to use quasi-independent public bodies to parrot your lines. The fact that they are doing this seems to be made quite clear by the lack of Scottish Government comment - they didn't need to.
You are Andrea Leadsom. On Newsnight. Explaining to the former head of the WTO why he is wrong about how the WTO works.
What I am saying has nothing to do with knowledge, it has to do with using their statements and their positions as 'industry representatives' to push a political agenda. You've dismissed the opinons of the Tory MSP's as political, but you think we should take the opinions of Scottish Government appointees with clear financial links to the EU as gospel.
Of course, you did know that, you just thought it was cute to appear stupid. Which it wasn't.
By the way, I'm not denying that transitioning from the EU to no EU has caused kinks for exporters, and that these kinks are not particularly difficult for exporters of freshly caught fish. There are valid questions to be asked to both the UK and Scottish Governments about why preparations were not better, given that an exit from the single market and customs union was baked in regardless of the deal or no deal outcomes. However, we are not asking those tough questions when it all becomes an agenda-driven rant about Brexit.
That these EU process for 3rd countries have been in place for a long time, and that the UK government explicitly insisted that we become a 3rd country makes it clear the blame is on the Scottish government and their allegedly paid lackeys.
Strange how the impenetrable European single market that we clearly never should have left doesn't seem to trouble fishermen in Vietnam, India or America. They just seem to manage.
The EU is a net importer of fisheries and aquaculture products, mostly frozen, fresh and chilled. Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands are the leading importing Member States.
Fresh fish? That has to be shipped quickly. Which makes its market local. Which makes your map of the globe only to demonstrate your ignorance of the topic on which you are posting.
It is Fresh Fish that is rotting. Not frozen. "It doesn't work eh" because you can't ship fresh fish from fucking Vietnam or America or wherever. Eh. So the process doesn't work for these other countries, eh, because it doesn't.
You are like Philip. Clueless. But desperate to defend the government. So post guff.
READ THE WORD IN BOLD.
Hint it's not Vietnam or the USA...0 -
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1349750812415819777
Going well for Macron... how many vaccines are they on now?1 -
Sarwar would be good, more centrist and telegenic than Leonard.CarlottaVance said:
So with Corbyn and Leonard gone, just Drakeford of the home nation Corbynista Labour leaders left to remove0 -
For laughs, I'd like to see James Kelly. But Sarwar is most likely.CarlottaVance said:
Any remaining Tankies in ScotLab will then depart, as they will think he's a Tory.0 -
Idler?kinabalu said:
The flaneur. Book on lap, eyes elsewhere. Coffee lasts an age. Great thing to do.Stocky said:
Only 50 mins by train for me. I happily wander around going from cafe to cafe. Sometimes it can get a bit OCD - with me vetting possible cafes before committing myself. Key features are proper espresso machine (obvs) and comfy chair (sofa ideally) to sit and people-watch. Easter maybe?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I love London and am sure the millions who live there do so as wellAndy_JS said:
I like both of them. And it's only an hour by train.Anabobazina said:
It's a long tradition on PB of people who hate London, have never lived in London, have no wish to live in London, telling Londoners how much money/space they could 'gain' by living in Not London.Stocky said:
Lichfield thoughydoethur said:
Midlands has surely got an older population than London? Can think of lots of people who retired to Staffordshire from the Smoke (sell that mid-size that needs a bit of work for a huge sum, live like a king in a gorgeous house in Lichfield for the rest of your life.)Andy_JS said:"A regional breakdown of England's vaccines rollout shows the Midlands leading the way in the number of jabs administered, while London has the lowest vaccination rate."
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-more-than-2-3m-vaccine-jabs-given-across-england-as-midlands-leads-the-way-12187569
What they don't seem to grasp is that many of us love London, don't want to leave London and have no desire whatsoever to live in Lichfield.
The flaneur. That's what they call it in Paris. In London? - no equivalent term sadly.0 -
The UK has done more vaccinations in one day than France has done in total.8
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