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Dramatic scenes in Washington as Trump supporters try to stop Congress approving Biden’s victory – p

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  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited January 2021
    kle4 said:

    We have been over it, and it is always overblown. Attempts to link Boris to Trump get overdone and make it very easy for Boris supporters to dismiss actually relevant criticisms of him.
    No, I don't buy that all. The extensive, exceptional links through individuals are real.
  • It's a bit late for Twitter to shit the bed - they let him spew garbage unchecked for years.
  • guybrush said:

    Great post. Drawing a direct comparison between an armed coup and the Lib Dems... well, where to start...
    Aberdeenshire Lib Dems did approve Trump's golf course.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    That Trump statement was amazing. I HAD MY LANDSLIDE STOLEN. I FEEL YOUR PAIN. YOU LOVE ME. please go home.

    Disgusting and arguably criminal.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    I remember the day when a bunch of pro-hunting clowns stormed the Commons chamber.

    It always seems to be the right who do this sort of thing.

    Do try not to be a dick - hard as it is for you I'm sure
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I find myself genuinely surprised at how terrible that was.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,216

    France wasn't "born" in 1789! I would say Joan of Arc helped found the modern country we call France (yes, that long ago).
    Hmmmmm - there would be many, many French people who would argue that modern France is indeed built on the foundation of 1789. Joan of Arc is part of Medieval France - which 1789 was supposed to be a rejection of.
  • We've been over this a few times, but very few as much aa Boris Johnson. He saw and publicly advertised a unique alliance with him, and many of his backroom staff had direct personal contacts and association's with Trump's via the Brexit referendum. There are no other world leaders in that situation, even the ones endorsed by him at more of a distance, such as Bolsonaro, Duerte, or Modi.
    Absolutely not true. Macron buttered him up even more.

    But behind his back they were laughing at him.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxtdCeg7VPE

    Stop being delusional. Trump is off the deep end in a world of his own. No western European country's leader supports him. But they have had to work with him.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    kjh said:

    'Hard left bed wetters'. Who the hell on here is 'hard left'?
    LOL loads of the posters!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,729

    Clearly the more astute section of what remains in the White House are shitting bricks time, which is why Trumpsky has issued this typically lying tweet.
    Implausible denial.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    I remember the day when a bunch of pro-hunting clowns stormed the Commons chamber.

    It always seems to be the right who do this sort of thing.

    What about Extinction Rebellion?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited January 2021

    I remember the day when a bunch of pro-hunting clowns stormed the Commons chamber.

    It always seems to be the right who do this sort of thing.

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536

    I remember the day when a bunch of pro-hunting clowns stormed the Commons chamber.

    It always seems to be the right who do this sort of thing.

    Were Fathers for Justice right wing? Tricky one.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,581

    I remember the day when a bunch of pro-hunting clowns stormed the Commons chamber.

    It always seems to be the right who do this sort of thing.

    Huh, my memory was it was anti-hunters, funny how the brain works, inherent prejudices probably.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,819
    2021 - 'hold my beer'
  • That Trump statement was the like the one you would give before climbing into Marine One being evacuated from the capital as it is overrun by Zombies
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Alistair said:

    A tiny percentage of Trump voters voted for Obama.

    I'm not saying all Trump voters are racists but I bet you a lot of money that a huge proportion of the twats in the Capitol building right now are.
    "A tiny percentage of Trump voters voted for Obama"

    Obama won Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina, Indiana and Florida. For Trump to have won them suggests more than a "tiny" number of Obama voters switched over
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806
    As coups go, this is a bit pathetic.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    We've been over this a few times, but very few as much aa Boris Johnson. He saw and publicly advertised a unique alliance with him, and many of his backroom staff had direct personal contacts and association's with Trump's via the Brexit referendum. There are no other world leaders in that situation, even the ones endorsed by him at more of a distance, such as Bolsonaro, Duerte, or Modi.
    Don't forget Macron who is probably trying to forget the bromance he attempted in 2017/18 -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_U_pNR8Ej0

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43840965
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,564
    isam said:


    Good Lord haha

    I saw a funny Wogan interview with the kid out of The Goonies who played Chunk earlier, and he was just like Trump! Interestingly he is a lawyer now
    The manner in which one of the IRA Army Council might have addressed ivolunteers.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,525

    LOL loads of the posters!!
    Who?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108
    Fox calling it for Ossoff
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,519
    edited January 2021
    Leon said:

    As coups go, this is a bit pathetic.

    Luckily it appears they are disorganized morons. They get to the chambers and offices, then no idea what to do other than take selfies.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    OK I'm done now I have done a full 180. That trump tweet was so poor I think he is finished. Total irrelevance awaits him
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,552
    IshmaelZ said:

    The Blackshirts I am aware of (Mussolini's and Mosley's) were first and foremost anti-communist (and anti-Russia) which I thought was your avowed position; any racism was in their spare time. I don't think the allegation you think has been made, has been made.
    Unacceptable. Apologise to Casino - and move on.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,541
    And then they will stay in a federal jail for the rest of their lives.

  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited January 2021
    DougSeal said:

    Don't forget Macron who is probably trying to forget the bromance he attempted in 2017/18 -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_U_pNR8Ej0

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43840965
    En Marche wasn't stuffed full of Trump contacts, though, like Vote Leave in 2016 or the Tory backroom in 2019.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited January 2021

    He has got it under control. As has Pence. Unlike some of the hard left bedwetters on here!
    Who is hard left, or a bedwetter?

    There is something very micropenised, since that is the sort of insult space you seem to want to operate in, on blanket assaults on unspecified posters because (presumably) you lack confidence in your ability to take on someone specific and identifiable.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    Luckily it appears they are disorganized morons. They get to the chambers and offices, then no idea what to do other than take selfies.
    Makes you wonder what they would have done if they didnt' have mobeys.
  • What about Extinction Rebellion?
    Extinction Rebellion were twats who tried to bring the Tube and Docklands Light Rail to a standstill!

    Public transport, FFS!
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    I just expect more of moderate Democrats to calm this down. Especially given they are now in charge.

    My fear is they'll misjudge it and push ahead with a "radical" programme.

    I really hope Biden can rein them in and lead them to a maturer place. And I hope the Republicans can expunge the rot of Trump too and respond to that.
    Has been overlooked but I am glad Merrick Garland is Biden's AG pick. I really worried he would go with someone like Andrew Cuomo.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,552
  • Biden gives a passionate, heartfelt speech about the threat to democracy and America, urges people to be peaceful, attempts to build bridges.
    Trump whines that the election was stolen from him and as an afterthought suggests protestors go home.

    The comparison is - well, there is no comparison
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,541
    I guess the inauguration wont be taking place in public on the steps of the Capitol this year.
  • One of the most terrifying things I have ever witnessed - sedition and terrorism in the capital of the western world, fuelled and ignited by Trump, Fox News, and the insane mob that passes for a political party and movement in the US.
    Thankfully it looks as if this is being taken down and taken apart as we watch, and without more a a handful of injuries. But the damage to American democracy could last a long time.
    What happens now?
    Will those Republican Senators and Representatives who earlier objected to the vote certification ceremony now take a long hard look at themselves and their actions, and withdraw their objections?
    Will those other Republicans - including, my god, Mitch McConnell - who supported the peaceful transition of power be able to sit next to Cruz, Hawley, Gosar and the rest, and either stay in the Republican Party with them, or let them stay in the GOP?
    Will anybody be subject to arrest, court proceedings, or anything else for the disgusting actions we've witnessed today?
    Will reasonable Republican voters look at what they've seen and realise they've been had, they've been misled, they've been manipulated?
    Let's hope something good comes out of this. Because at the moment it all looks nothing but awful.

    Great post. Earlier today I thought it was too late for McConnell to switch to try and kick out the MAGAs, as the MAGA's had gotten too strong. I think this changes it bigly. Still a long fight to kick them out but more likely than not, the McConnell wing can win now. To be clear, the McConnell wing are in no sense moderates, but they are not typical MAGA's either.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    'If we go home, the gubbermint will steal the election from us and impose a communist dictator. Listen to the REAL President. Even now he is clear that he won by a landslide! This is an outrage!!!"

    It's only whataboutery if you're excusing it by reference to something that happened elsewhere.

    I was neither excusing it or apologising for it. In fact, I joined in condemning it
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    IshmaelZ said:

    Who is hard left, or a bedwetter?

    There is something very micropenised, since that is the sort of insult space you seem to want to operate in, on blanket assaults on unspecified posters because (presumably) you lack confidence in your ability to take on someone specific and identifiable.
    Intelligent input darling
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Leon said:

    As coups go, this is a bit pathetic.

    As an attempt to protect democracy it’s even more so. Why the hell have they not started arresting these rioters ?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    edited January 2021
    If the Trump sedition lock-in when can the vote resume? It surely won’t be today. But when?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,541
    Entire DC National Guard on their way saying CNN.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Alistair said:

    I find myself genuinely surprised at how terrible that was.
    You keep thinking he couldn't get any worse......
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    .
    Jonathan said:

    If the Trump sedition lock-in when can the vote resume? It surely won’t be today. But when?

    Isn't the question "where"?
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Alistair said:

    I find myself genuinely surprised at how terrible that was.
    'Le coup d'état, c'est moi!'
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806
    I do feel for President Biden. A well-meaning old man who likes sniffing women's hair, in a fairly harmless way.

    How the hell is he going to reunite this country?

    His speech today, however, was good. Perhaps he has hidden strengths. Lord knows, America needs them.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536

    Luckily it appears they are disorganized morons. They get to the chambers and offices, then no idea what to do other than take selfies.
    What are the rules of a coup? Secure the police, army and the state broadcaster. Not sure they've got any of those.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    RobD said:

    .

    Isn't the question "where"?
    Is there a spare Congress? A state perhaps?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    Just been told what is happening.

    What The Actual Fuck!!!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,541
    https://twitter.com/willfhamilton/status/1346932029598949376

    It's the biggest gathering of incels in American history.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    tlg86 said:

    What are the rules of a coup? Secure the police, army and the state broadcaster. Not sure they've got any of those.
    No, but unfortunately the ringleader managed to get control of the nuclear weapons.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Intelligent input darling
    Yes, you were at the top of your game.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Oh dear, C-Span is having phone-ins to fill in.....about half definitely certifiable....
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,525
    kjh said:

    Who?
    Go on @londonpubman name one. Can't be that difficult surely.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Leon said:

    I do feel for President Biden. A well-meaning old man who likes sniffing women's hair, in a fairly harmless way.

    How the hell is he going to reunite this country?

    His speech today, however, was good. Perhaps he has hidden strengths. Lord knows, America needs them.
    In comparison to the previous guy?
    The strengths of Hercules.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Scott_xP said:
    Terrible decision. They should ram this through today and make clear this sort of criminality doesn’t win.

    Except, today, it has.
  • I guess the inauguration wont be taking place in public on the steps of the Capitol this year.

    "We'd better get back 'cause it'll be dark soon and they mostly come at night. Mostly."
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  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited January 2021

    Absolutely not true. Macron buttered him up even more.

    But behind his back they were laughing at him.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxtdCeg7VPE

    Stop being delusional. Trump is off the deep end in a world of his own. No western European country's leader supports him. But they have had to work with him.
    It might be comforting to think, but that's simply not true, I'm afraid. There's a political and media nexus linking the birth of the Trump and Johnson administrations like no other western leaders. There are tens of individuals you could pick who have been public and unashamed parts of that link, but Bannon, Gove, Mercer and Murdoch are as useful pointers as any.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,216
    edited January 2021
    tlg86 said:

    Were Fathers for Justice right wing? Tricky one.
    Plenty of mobs, of various brands, in the UK would have liked to storm Parliament - just the police outside tend to be more professional and prepared than the Capitol Hill Police today.

    TSG would have filled that lot in, in about 5 minutes.

    As to Defund The Police - well, if they are doing have the usefulness of chocolate fireguards*, perhaps replacing them with social workers would be a good idea.

    *Not fair to chocolate fireguards. If you have them, you have chocolate. With the Capital Hill Police, you don't even have chocolate.
  • It's only whataboutery if you're excusing it by reference to something that happened elsewhere.

    I was neither excusing it or apologising for it. In fact, I joined in condemning it
    I didn't say you had. I was quoting an imaginary protestor
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    Hopefully the police can peacefully defuse the situation and then apply whatever lessons they have learned in peaceful deescalation to their future dealings with the African American community.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810


    I always believed Trump was clinically insane.

    The absolute priority must be to remove him from the White House immediately. Peacefully if possible; if not by force.

    He is a dangerous, cornered man.

    More bad than mad, I think.

    I would judge him fit to stand trial.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,216

    Extinction Rebellion were twats who tried to bring the Tube and Docklands Light Rail to a standstill!

    Public transport, FFS!
    And then got filled in by members of the public.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    Unacceptable. Apologise to Casino - and move on.
    Thanks.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806

    Biden gives a passionate, heartfelt speech about the threat to democracy and America, urges people to be peaceful, attempts to build bridges.
    Trump whines that the election was stolen from him and as an afterthought suggests protestors go home.

    The comparison is - well, there is no comparison

    I don't think you will find a single commenter on here who will defend Trump, or who will deny that he is a demented narcissistic twat, and a menace to American democracy, and therefore the security of the western world.

    Biden is (today's speech notwithstanding) a rather unimpressive candidate, but no one on PB - as far as I can see - is now defending let alone promoting the cause of Donald Trump.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    Extinction Rebellion were twats who tried to bring the Tube and Docklands Light Rail to a standstill!

    Public transport, FFS!
    I know! Animals!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    Seems like less of a concern at the moment.
  • Scott_xP said:
    You bloody idiot. Boris Tweeted earlier expressing his horror at what is happening in DC, while you were posting a Tweet about a bus.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    They broke the mould before they made trump.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    MrEd said:

    "A tiny percentage of Trump voters voted for Obama"

    Obama won Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina, Indiana and Florida. For Trump to have won them suggests more than a "tiny" number of Obama voters switched over
    Both Clinton and Biden got more votes that Obama in either 2008 or 2012 in North Carolina.

    Trump needed not a single vote switcher to win it.

    Ditto Florida.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited January 2021

    Oh dear, C-Span is having phone-ins to fill in.....about half definitely certifiable....

    Isn't that the sort of attitude that led to this mess in the first place? I'm thinking of Hillary's deplorables comment,
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    I didn't say you had. I was quoting an imaginary protestor
    Ah, apologies. I thought I was replying to Nigel.

    Anyway, logging off now. Good evening.
  • I still think he's a pound shop Jefferson Davis.

    Jefferson Davis actually did split the country,
  • Armed insurrectionists storm the US Capitol to launch a coup. One parades a Foreign Flag through the heart of the American government. And what does the American President say to them? "We love you; you’re very special"
  • Leon said:

    I don't think you will find a single commenter on here who will defend Trump, or who will deny that he is a demented narcissistic twat, and a menace to American democracy, and therefore the security of the western world.

    Biden is (today's speech notwithstanding) a rather unimpressive candidate, but no one on PB - as far as I can see - is now defending let alone promoting the cause of Donald Trump.
    I know, I wasn't suggesting anyone was. Just making the comparison.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    DavidL said:

    Terrible decision. They should ram this through today and make clear this sort of criminality doesn’t win.

    Except, today, it has.
    Unless they hold it somewhere else?

    They don't have to hold it in the Capitol - and for security reasons might choose not to.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    DavidL said:

    Terrible decision. They should ram this through today and make clear this sort of criminality doesn’t win.

    Except, today, it has.
    They are apparently discussing carrying on from wherever they are right now, according to NBC.
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 682
    As indicated multiple sources have called the race for Ossoff as his lead nears 25K and outside the 0.5% recount threshold.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939

    Hopefully the police can peacefully defuse the situation and then apply whatever lessons they have learned in peaceful deescalation to their future dealings with the African American community.

    Ha bloody ha!
    You are a card.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    Endillion said:

    They are apparently discussing carrying on from wherever they are right now, according to NBC.
    Good. This fuckless rabble should be denied any kind of victory.
  • And then got filled in by members of the public.
    That was enjoyable. The Tarquins who don't need to work gluing themselves to the DLR, and meeting working class Londoners.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,366
    DavidL said:

    Terrible decision. They should ram this through today and make clear this sort of criminality doesn’t win.

    Except, today, it has.
    They probably need to do a full search before reopening.
  • It might be comforting to think, but that's simply not true, I'm afraid. There's a political and media nexus linking the birth of the Trump and Johnson administrations like no other western leaders. There are tens of individuals you could pick who have been public and unashamed parts of that link, but Bannon, Gove, Mercer and Murdoch are as useful pointers as any.
    You're a numpty.

    Bannon has never been a real figure in the Conservative Party, whatever fake innuendos the likes of Codswallop may try to make.

    Gove, Mercer and Murdoch are all mainstream.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    It might be comforting to think, but that's simply not true, I'm afraid. There's a political and media nexus linking the birth of the Trump and Johnson administrations like no other western leaders. There are tens of individuals you could pick who have been public and unashamed parts of that link, but Bannon, Gove, Mercer and Murdoch are as useful pointers as any.
    THat photo of Mr Gove and Mr Trump is (to be a bit UK-parochial for a moment) going to be solid gold for his opponents. Mr Johnson, not so much - could be his Prime Ministerial role - but Mr Gove at Trump Towers ...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939

    Plenty of mobs, of various brands, in the UK would have liked to storm Parliament - just the police outside tend to be more professional and prepared than the Capitol Hill Police today.

    TSG would have filled that lot in, in about 5 minutes.

    As to Defund The Police - well, if they are doing have the usefulness of chocolate fireguards*, perhaps replacing them with social workers would be a good idea.

    *Not fair to chocolate fireguards. If you have them, you have chocolate. With the Capital Hill Police, you don't even have chocolate.
    They're more vanilla.
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