Before we Brits get too smug, let us recall that over the last four years a large proportion of our political class, and millions of our fellow citizens, have done their very best to get the biggest vote in British history - 17.4m voting for Leave - to to be simply ignored. They wanted that vote to dismissed before it was ever enacted, and a new referendum imposed, to override that vote.
It was a gentle attempt at a Very Quiet British Coup.
Moreover, one of our major political parties, the Lib Dems, went even further, and demanded a simple "Revoke". Simply: Cancel Democracy. Ignore the entire 17.4 million stupid voters, tell them their vote means nothing so there is no point in voting for anything ever again. If we don't like the way you vote, we will make sure your vote means nothing.
What we are witnessing now, tragically, in Washington, is a lesson for us here in Britain. Respect a vote. Respect the people. Respect democracy.
If Brexit had been annulled, as so many wanted (even on this site) we might not have escaped these awful scenes.
If Lib Dems had won an overall majority in 2019 it would have been, mathematically, because a huge number of the people who had voted for Brexit had changed their minds and were exercising democratic right to do so. There is no comparison.
There really is a direct comparison. The only difference is that Brits don't carry guns and are - generally (cf Jo Cox RIP) - too polite/apathetic to experiment in political violence, and we don't have that terrible history of slavery which poisons everything with questions (often justified) of race.
Brexit was a revolution, but it WAS democratic. The prime minister explicitly told us that Whatever we decided, Parliament would enact. This promise cannot be simply ignored. Nor can the choice of the people be glibly "Revoked". Doing so is not just immoral; it is dangerous. As we see.
FFS - it's even more simple than that. The LIbDems offered people a choice to change their minds, they rejected it. No comparison at all.
There’s plenty to say about the staggering scenes coming out of the US. We have seen their Parliament stormed and trashed by armed protestors, and we as good as saw an innocent woman shot before our eyes. You might comment on the implications for Trump personally, for the Republican Party, for American politics, even for democracy and America’s standing around the world. You might search for betting opportunities or speculate on how it might affect the markets.
There is every chance that some future generation of American school-kids might one day be writing exam essays about it.
We can be reasonably confident that when the history books come to be written, no-one is going to be drawing a parallel with Jo Swinson’s election campaign.
Our resident fool has simply demonstrated why he is so regarded.
Great post. Drawing a direct comparison between an armed coup and the Lib Dems... well, where to start...
I am pretty sure that when the history of the 2010s-2020s is written, there will be direct comparison between Brexit and Trump. Remainers have been doing it for years, and for very good reasons, tho many of them far too complex and convoluted to go into now.
Thankfully, British politics has enacted the will of the people, and remains calm, even as we face a once-in-a-century plague. This is a good thing. What we are witnessing in Washington is truly sad. I love America, this is awful.
I thought you didn't want to talk Brexit any more?
Will be difficult if everything reminds you of Brexit.
I remember the day when a bunch of pro-hunting clowns stormed the Commons chamber.
It always seems to be the right who do this sort of thing.
Were Fathers for Justice right wing? Tricky one.
Plenty of mobs, of various brands, in the UK would have liked to storm Parliament - just the police outside tend to be more professional and prepared than the Capitol Hill Police today.
TSG would have filled that lot in, in about 5 minutes.
As to Defund The Police - well, if they are doing have the usefulness of chocolate fireguards*, perhaps replacing them with social workers would be a good idea.
*Not fair to chocolate fireguards. If you have them, you have chocolate. With the Capital Hill Police, you don't even have chocolate.
They're more vanilla.
Nah - if they were vanilla fireguards, you'd have vanilla. Which is quite valuable and really useful for good cooking.
Not sure what you'd get from cooking the Capitol Police - nothing you'd want to eat....
Takes too long. It should come from Pence, it could be done in minutes.
Requires a declaration that Trump is unable to discharge the duties of his office though. Which he isn't. Although if they put him in handcuffs first ...
God this is pathetic. Nearly 3 hours. What the hell is going on?
This shouldn't be the responsibility of the FBI (or ATF, Virginia State Troopers, or others who've been called in from outside DC): this basically comes back to the deliberate delay by the Defense Dept in authorising the deployment of the DC National Guard. Hopefully the new administration will be taking a long hard look at the reasons why that deployment took so long.
A lot of world leaders buttered up the US President.
We've been over this a few times, but very few as much aa Boris Johnson. He saw and publicly advertised a unique alliance with him, and many of his backroom staff had direct personal contacts and association's with Trump's via the Brexit referendum. There are no other world leaders in that situation, even the ones endorsed by him at more of a distance, such as Bolsonaro, Duerte, or Modi.
Absolutely not true. Macron buttered him up even more.
Stop being delusional. Trump is off the deep end in a world of his own. No western European country's leader supports him. But they have had to work with him.
It might be comforting to think, but that's simply not true, I'm afraid. There's a political and media nexus linking the birth of the Trump and Johnson administrations like no other western leaders. There are tens of individuals you could pick who have been public and unashamed parts of that link, but Bannon, Gove, Mercer and Murdoch are as useful pointers as any.
You're a numpty.
Bannon has never been a real figure in the Conservative Party, whatever fake innuendos the likes of Codswallop may try to make.
Gove, Mercer and Murdoch are all mainstream.
Abuse doesn't work to nullify the connection, I'm afraid. The unique personal contacts are all there.
It doesn't make Boris Johnson the same as Donald Trump, but makes the birth of his administration uniquely connected to him.
OT -- Covid -- an account of life on a Covid ward by a junior hospital was posted to pb a thread or two back. I've just got round to reading it and am struck by this paragraph:
We try to have our patients prone (lying on their fronts) since this opens up their lungs at the back and improves their oxygen levels. The patients hate proning, since the masks dig into their faces, their backs hurt and their arms go numb, and we do not have massage table-style beds with holes for their faces. https://unherd.com/2021/01/inside-the-covid-ward/
Surely this lack of appropriate beds is a problem that could easily be solved by any minister with a cheque book?
Having watched both Biden’s and Trump’s statements, the thing that staggers me is that Republicans spent months trying to make out that Biden was the cognitive-impaired one?
Seriously, one of these two seems sharp as a tack and the other one is badly confused and delusional. And it ain’t the way around they kept saying it was.
Projection is a powerful and widely recognised psychological animus.
Having watched both Biden’s and Trump’s statements, the thing that staggers me is that Republicans spent months trying to make out that Biden was the cognitive-impaired one?
Seriously, one of these two seems sharp as a tack and the other one is badly confused and delusional. And it ain’t the way around they kept saying it was.
Actually, I thought Trump's recorded speech - incendiary and irresponsible as it was, and quite possibly seditious - was clever. He trod a fine line, pretty deftly. It was not demented, it was clear and well-judged (if your entire concern is the greater wellbeing of Donald Trump)
Trump is a selfish psycho. I despise him. I always have.
But from his point of view, in terms of preserving a core vote that will be very useful if the American Establishment attempts to move against him, it was a smart speech.
Biden's speech was by far the more presidential, thank God, as he is about to be president.
Takes too long. It should come from Pence, it could be done in minutes.
Requires a declaration that Trump is unable to discharge the duties of his office though. Which he isn't. Although if they put him in handcuffs first ...
No, that's the 25th Amendment (incapacity, responsibility of the VP and cabinet) not impeachment due to 'high crimes and misdemeanors' (responsibility of the House and Senate)
Please stop insulting Pound Shop - if you go into the local Pound Shop, you can get a bottle of Fairy liquid for a pound. Which is really useful for doing the dishes.
If you gave Jeff Davis a pound coin, he'd spend it on losing a war. No Fairy liquid. So dirty dishes in the sink....
Having watched both Biden’s and Trump’s statements, the thing that staggers me is that Republicans spent months trying to make out that Biden was the cognitive-impaired one?
Seriously, one of these two seems sharp as a tack and the other one is badly confused and delusional. And it ain’t the way around they kept saying it was.
Actually, I thought Trump's recorded speech - incendiary and irresponsible as it was, and quite possibly seditious - was clever. He trod a fine line, pretty deftly. It was not demented, it was clear and well-judged (if your entire concern is the greater wellbeing of Donald Trump)
Trump is a selfish psycho. I despise him. I always have.
But from his point of view, in terms of preserving a core vote that will be very useful if the American Establishment attempts to move against him, it was a smart speech.
Biden's speech was by far the more presidential, thank God, as he is about to be president.
OT -- Covid -- an account of life on a Covid ward by a junior hospital was posted to pb a thread or two back. I've just got round to reading it and am struck by this paragraph:
We try to have our patients prone (lying on their fronts) since this opens up their lungs at the back and improves their oxygen levels. The patients hate proning, since the masks dig into their faces, their backs hurt and their arms go numb, and we do not have massage table-style beds with holes for their faces. https://unherd.com/2021/01/inside-the-covid-ward/
Surely this lack of appropriate beds is a problem that could easily be solved by any minister with a cheque book?
Come to think of it - all the massage parlours are closed at the moment.... Send the TSG out for some government sponsored door breaking to get the tables?
Before we Brits get too smug, let us recall that over the last four years a large proportion of our political class, and millions of our fellow citizens, have done their very best to get the biggest vote in British history - 17.4m voting for Leave - to to be simply ignored. They wanted that vote to dismissed before it was ever enacted, and a new referendum imposed, to override that vote.
It was a gentle attempt at a Very Quiet British Coup.
Moreover, one of our major political parties, the Lib Dems, went even further, and demanded a simple "Revoke". Simply: Cancel Democracy. Ignore the entire 17.4 million stupid voters, tell them their vote means nothing so there is no point in voting for anything ever again. If we don't like the way you vote, we will make sure your vote means nothing.
What we are witnessing now, tragically, in Washington, is a lesson for us here in Britain. Respect a vote. Respect the people. Respect democracy.
If Brexit had been annulled, as so many wanted (even on this site) we might not have escaped these awful scenes.
If Lib Dems had won an overall majority in 2019 it would have been, mathematically, because a huge number of the people who had voted for Brexit had changed their minds and were exercising democratic right to do so. There is no comparison.
There really is a direct comparison. The only difference is that Brits don't carry guns and are - generally (cf Jo Cox RIP) - too polite/apathetic to experiment in political violence, and we don't have that terrible history of slavery which poisons everything with questions (often justified) of race.
Brexit was a revolution, but it WAS democratic. The prime minister explicitly told us that Whatever we decided, Parliament would enact. This promise cannot be simply ignored. Nor can the choice of the people be glibly "Revoked". Doing so is not just immoral; it is dangerous. As we see.
FFS - it's even more simple than that. The LIbDems offered people a choice to change their minds, they rejected it. No comparison at all.
There’s plenty to say about the staggering scenes coming out of the US. We have seen their Parliament stormed and trashed by armed protestors, and we as good as saw an innocent woman shot before our eyes. You might comment on the implications for Trump personally, for the Republican Party, for American politics, even for democracy and America’s standing around the world. You might search for betting opportunities or speculate on how it might affect the markets.
There is every chance that some future generation of American school-kids might one day be writing exam essays about it.
We can be reasonably confident that when the history books come to be written, no-one is going to be drawing a parallel with Jo Swinson’s election campaign.
Our resident fool has simply demonstrated why he is so regarded.
Great post. Drawing a direct comparison between an armed coup and the Lib Dems... well, where to start...
I am pretty sure that when the history of the 2010s-2020s is written, there will be direct comparison between Brexit and Trump. Remainers have been doing it for years, and for very good reasons, tho many of them far too complex and convoluted to go into now.
Thankfully, British politics has enacted the will of the people, and remains calm, even as we face a once-in-a-century plague. This is a good thing. What we are witnessing in Washington is truly sad. I love America, this is awful.
I thought you didn't want to talk Brexit any more?
Will be difficult if everything reminds you of Brexit.
It is quite clear he does not want remainers to comment on Brexit but welcomes leavers comments on Brexit. Have his cake and eat it and all that.....
Takes too long. It should come from Pence, it could be done in minutes.
Requires a declaration that Trump is unable to discharge the duties of his office though. Which he isn't. Although if they put him in handcuffs first ...
No, that's the 25th Amendment (incapacity, responsibility of the VP and cabinet) not impeachment due to 'high crimes and misdemeanors' (responsibility of the House and Senate)
I think Philip was referring to the 25th in saying that it should come from Pence to speed things up.
Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.
These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.
The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
Pelosi was saying only the other days that statues should be pulled out of the US Capitol, thus pouring fuel on the fire and fanning their deepest fears.
Both sides are a disgrace.
Even if that is so, things, particularly at this moment, are not equally disgraceful.
Don't US cops have tasers, truncheons and mild tear gas?
That would seem appropriate here. Not jumping straight to handguns and shooting.
You'd think if they were good at anything it would be beating people up, but they seemed totally off guard.
I get your point @kle4 but @Casino_Royale also has a good point. Both sides have fuelled this for their own ends - Trump with this rhetoric and the Democrats claiming that Trump was an illegitimate President for the past 4 years.
I also suspect that there might not be much sympathy for politicians fleeing the Capitol when many of those same politicians were perfectly happy to turn a blind eye to cities being torched and many small businesses being looted with the Police doing sweet FA
The atmosphere of extremism may have been fuelled by both sides, but where I fundamentally disagree is the insinuation, therefore, that this very much not inevitable event can be suggested to be the fault of those other Trump and his cohorts.
People are responsible for their own actions, and to a degree actions they incite and encourage. Any indirect factoring arising from leftish political escalation on other matters is pretty irrelevant to the very direct incitement and encourgement by Trump and co today, and feels like an unnecessary distraction.
I don't think it should be controversial to suggest that even in a febrile atmosphere that many will have contibuted to, the focus should be on those directing and encouraging the ongoing criminal activity, and that such a focus does not mean an endorsement of past criminal acts by others.
The thing is, now and for the past four years, both sides have sought the same thing, namely to nullify the results which had the other side winning. The way they have gone about that reflects where they have their strengths and where they feel comfortable. For the Democrats, it was constantly seeding exposes and stories in the NYT, WP and others about Putin getting Trump elected etc etc and then impeachment when they won the House. Sure, it's not an armed and crazy mob storming Congress but, while it may have been done digitally and in fine rhetoric, the aim was exactly the same as the protestors here are doing - delegitimise am elected President and force him out of office by whichever means possible, regardless of whether the claims were true or not.
Even if that is so, as you point it out it is not an armed and crazy mob, they used/abused the processes set out under the law and constitution of the United States. Even the bullcrap lawsuits and Senator crap ahead of today can claim that distinction.
Trump just pushed well past that. He is not stupid enough to not know what the results of telling people what he told them and telling them to do what he did could be. Nothing anyone else did before today, however poor that behaviour was in contributing to a denigration of the political culture of the United States, has a bearing on keeping the focus on the most significant cause of the escalation.
He's definitely fuelled it but what people on here forget a lot is that Trump is not the cause of this, he is the vehicle of the frustration. If you are happy with life, you don't go across the country for a protest to storm Congress. These people feel like normal politicians disdain them, ignore them, treat them as racist homophobic hicks and that Trump was the first politician who listened to their views. This is not going away with Trump. The idea you lock him up and then it all goes back to normal is pure fantasy.
Trump is not the first politician to listen to racist homophobic hicks. But he is the first American president in modern times to empower and celebrate those views.
He's blown any chance of staying a player in US politics now. Cloud. Silver lining.
Be careful what you wish for. The next reiteration will be a lot smarter.
No doubt. Which is fine. But this was a wannabe fascist. America will draw the necessary lesson to ensure no second series.
Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.
These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.
The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
Pelosi was saying only the other days that statues should be pulled out of the US Capitol, thus pouring fuel on the fire and fanning their deepest fears.
Both sides are a disgrace.
Even if that is so, things, particularly at this moment, are not equally disgraceful.
Don't US cops have tasers, truncheons and mild tear gas?
That would seem appropriate here. Not jumping straight to handguns and shooting.
You'd think if they were good at anything it would be beating people up, but they seemed totally off guard.
I'm thinking of Antifa and torching and burning several major US cities. Including property. Violence. Destruction. Looting. All in the name of SJ.
And pulling down the statue of Lincoln - the guy who ended slavery.
I mean, what the fuck?
And I don't disagree with that. But those crimes, and storming the legislature to prevent the law being carried out on who becomes president, though both wrong, are not equal in significance. Even one being argued to lead to the other does not distract from one being a much more serious escalation.
I disagree, if it's a threat to life.
You're right that it's more politically and constitutionally significant - and sickening.
My point is I have no time for one-sided partisan condemnation that doesn't acknowledge both sides are fuelling the extreme behaviour of the other.
I do agree Trump should be prosecuted. He's crossed the line one too many times.
Two sides can be at fault for a developing atmosphere without being equally at fault, particularly on a specific event which is still in the process of occurring.
To focus on the wrong of one side in the recent past whilst a more politically and constitutionally significant escalation is occuring strikes me as a strange priority.
Because despite it being wrong to ignore rioting and other crimes committed for a cause the other side might well have supported, tacitly or otherwise, today's outcome was nevertheless not an inevitable outcome and can only be laid at the feet of those who have done it, incited it, and encouraged it.
That does not excuse the crimes of antifa and so on. But treating today as an inevitability from that I do not think is reasonable.
A fair post. I wouldn't say it's inevitable and nor would I say they are responsible but I do think they're contributing to a polarised climate rather than rising above it to lead Americans of all backgrounds out of it.
You've got two sides to this. The immediate pull (Trump, in all his odiousness) and the push (the broader culture war by the hard Left).
All I'm saying is both need to be addressed..at the same time. I'm saying it because 80%+ of posters on here seem to be just highlighting the former and how outrageous it is.
I agree with their concerns, but quite aside from that not being the full picture it's also a little boring.
No, there really are not "two sides to this".
That is mendacious bullshit. This is an attempted coup.
You are either on the side of democracy, or not. Equivocation is collusion.
I'm on the side of democracy. Unequivocally.
That doesn't mean we can't discuss the broader political and culture schisms in America at the same time. We have ample evidence for it now.
That's exactly the point @Casino_Royale. Well done to you for putting your head above the parapet.
Oh do stop it with that nonsense again, Ed. Nobody's going to get shot here. Snippy post from me or ilk is the worst that can happen. Maybe with a swear word.
Oh come on @kinabalu, you're not the snippiest or the nastiest of the posters by a long way
No. I'm a pussycat. But my ilk is a different matter.
Takes too long. It should come from Pence, it could be done in minutes.
Requires a declaration that Trump is unable to discharge the duties of his office though. Which he isn't. Although if they put him in handcuffs first ...
No, that's the 25th Amendment (incapacity, responsibility of the VP and cabinet) not impeachment due to 'high crimes and misdemeanors' (responsibility of the House and Senate)
I think Philip was referring to the 25th in saying that it should come from Pence to speed things up.
Given that the starting point was the drawing up of Articles of Impeachment, it was reasonable to assume that the 'it' he was referring to was the AofI, rather than A25 which hadn't been mentioned.
Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.
These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.
The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
Pelosi was saying only the other days that statues should be pulled out of the US Capitol, thus pouring fuel on the fire and fanning their deepest fears.
Both sides are a disgrace.
Even if that is so, things, particularly at this moment, are not equally disgraceful.
Don't US cops have tasers, truncheons and mild tear gas?
That would seem appropriate here. Not jumping straight to handguns and shooting.
You'd think if they were good at anything it would be beating people up, but they seemed totally off guard.
I'm thinking of Antifa and torching and burning several major US cities. Including property. Violence. Destruction. Looting. All in the name of SJ.
And pulling down the statue of Lincoln - the guy who ended slavery.
I mean, what the fuck?
And I don't disagree with that. But those crimes, and storming the legislature to prevent the law being carried out on who becomes president, though both wrong, are not equal in significance. Even one being argued to lead to the other does not distract from one being a much more serious escalation.
I disagree, if it's a threat to life.
You're right that it's more politically and constitutionally significant - and sickening.
My point is I have no time for one-sided partisan condemnation that doesn't acknowledge both sides are fuelling the extreme behaviour of the other.
I do agree Trump should be prosecuted. He's crossed the line one too many times.
Two sides can be at fault for a developing atmosphere without being equally at fault, particularly on a specific event which is still in the process of occurring.
To focus on the wrong of one side in the recent past whilst a more politically and constitutionally significant escalation is occuring strikes me as a strange priority.
Because despite it being wrong to ignore rioting and other crimes committed for a cause the other side might well have supported, tacitly or otherwise, today's outcome was nevertheless not an inevitable outcome and can only be laid at the feet of those who have done it, incited it, and encouraged it.
That does not excuse the crimes of antifa and so on. But treating today as an inevitability from that I do not think is reasonable.
A fair post. I wouldn't say it's inevitable and nor would I say they are responsible but I do think they're contributing to a polarised climate rather than rising above it to lead Americans of all backgrounds out of it.
You've got two sides to this. The immediate pull (Trump, in all his odiousness) and the push (the broader culture war by the hard Left).
All I'm saying is both need to be addressed..at the same time. I'm saying it because 80%+ of posters on here seem to be just highlighting the former and how outrageous it is.
I agree with their concerns, but quite aside from that not being the full picture it's also a little boring.
No, there really are not "two sides to this".
That is mendacious bullshit. This is an attempted coup.
You are either on the side of democracy, or not. Equivocation is collusion.
I'm on the side of democracy. Unequivocally.
That doesn't mean we can't discuss the broader political and culture schisms in America at the same time. We have ample evidence for it now.
That's exactly the point @Casino_Royale. Well done to you for putting your head above the parapet.
Oh do stop it with that nonsense again, Ed. Nobody's going to get shot here. Snippy post from me or ilk is the worst that can happen. Maybe with a swear word.
Oh come on @kinabalu, you're not the snippiest or the nastiest of the posters by a long way
No. I'm a pussycat. But my ilk is a different matter.
I would agree with both those statements (the first in a nice way).
OT -- Covid -- an account of life on a Covid ward by a junior hospital was posted to pb a thread or two back. I've just got round to reading it and am struck by this paragraph:
We try to have our patients prone (lying on their fronts) since this opens up their lungs at the back and improves their oxygen levels. The patients hate proning, since the masks dig into their faces, their backs hurt and their arms go numb, and we do not have massage table-style beds with holes for their faces. https://unherd.com/2021/01/inside-the-covid-ward/
Surely this lack of appropriate beds is a problem that could easily be solved by any minister with a cheque book?
Massage table beds are not suitable. Hospital beds need removable head and foot boards, as well cot sides that can lower, also a quick release to flatten and lower in an emergency, for CPR.
At a bare minimum, Trump must be impeached. Not to do so would be to accept this behaviour, almost to normalise it.
Whether or not he has committed indictable federal crimes today would be a matter of some legal controversy. That he has blatantly violated the constitution, and is utterly unfit to be permitted to hold office ought now to be uncontroversial.
At a bare minimum, Trump must be impeached. Not to do so would be to accept this behaviour, almost to normalise it.
Whether or not he has committed indictable federal crimes today would be a matter of some legal controversy. That he has blatantly violated the constitution, and is utterly unfit to be permitted to hold office ought now to be uncontroversial.
At a bare minimum, Trump must be impeached. Not to do so would be to accept this behaviour, almost to normalise it.
Whether or not he has committed indictable federal crimes today would be a matter of some legal controversy. That he has blatantly violated the constitution, and is utterly unfit to be permitted to hold office ought now to be uncontroversial.
Been appeased for too long but I hope this will finish him one way or another. I think it will.
Armed insurrectionists storm the US Capitol to launch a coup. One parades a Foreign Flag through the heart of the American government. And what does the American President say to them? "We love you; you’re very special"
Same as his message to the Charlottesville murders.
At a bare minimum, Trump must be impeached. Not to do so would be to accept this behaviour, almost to normalise it.
Whether or not he has committed indictable federal crimes today would be a matter of some legal controversy. That he has blatantly violated the constitution, and is utterly unfit to be permitted to hold office ought now to be uncontroversial.
At its most basic, outside of any laws, everyone, supporter or opponent, knows that he considers himself more important than the Republic. In such a patriotic country I'm amazed how many are able to look past that (especially with his other flaws). The extent to which the political tribes despise one another is astonishing.
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Will be difficult if everything reminds you of Brexit.
Not sure what you'd get from cooking the Capitol Police - nothing you'd want to eat....
It doesn't make Boris Johnson the same as Donald Trump, but makes the birth of his administration uniquely connected to him.
We try to have our patients prone (lying on their fronts) since this opens up their lungs at the back and improves their oxygen levels. The patients hate proning, since the masks dig into their faces, their backs hurt and their arms go numb, and we do not have massage table-style beds with holes for their faces.
https://unherd.com/2021/01/inside-the-covid-ward/
Surely this lack of appropriate beds is a problem that could easily be solved by any minister with a cheque book?
Trump is a selfish psycho. I despise him. I always have.
But from his point of view, in terms of preserving a core vote that will be very useful if the American Establishment attempts to move against him, it was a smart speech.
Biden's speech was by far the more presidential, thank God, as he is about to be president.
If you gave Jeff Davis a pound coin, he'd spend it on losing a war. No Fairy liquid. So dirty dishes in the sink....
Glad you are so interested in my views though!
Anyway you are wearing out my phone battery.
Not to do so would be to accept this behaviour, almost to normalise it.
Whether or not he has committed indictable federal crimes today would be a matter of some legal controversy.
That he has blatantly violated the constitution, and is utterly unfit to be permitted to hold office ought now to be uncontroversial.