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Dramatic scenes in Washington as Trump supporters try to stop Congress approving Biden’s victory – p

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edited January 6 in General
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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 15,714
    First.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 621
    The GOP is going to pay a stunning price for this. Trump is going to face legal jeopardy for the rest of his life.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 53,302
    Quiet start to 2021....
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 8,452
    this is crazy shit... us in the UK need to see this a warning right now.
  • I hope that the GOP dies and the party of Lincoln comes back.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514

    ydoethur said:

    So, the darling of the UK hard right is now attempting a coup in the US

    Don’t be silly, Joff.

    I despise the man, but no way is Gove responsible for this.

    Gove is not responsible. But he knew exactly what Trump was. He didn't care.

    People cosying up even to an odious politician cannot be expected to be able to foresee that that person will one day engage in what amounts to a coup, don't be absurd. The licence to criticise someone for cosying up to someone they can reasonable foresee will do awful political things does not extend that far, since virtually no one would think a stable democracy like the US might lead to this in 4 years.
    HYUFD said:
    It's a coordinated mob, urged on by an individual and tacitly (though not directly) supported by many many many members of Congress, storming the legislature to prevent the law being carried out, and some of them are armed.

    It isn't close to a coup attempt, it is a coup attempt.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514
    Starry said:

    IanB2 said:

    They don’t seem to have expected this

    Trump is tweeting that the police are on his side, hence the failure.
    That makes it so much worse, and lends weight to it looking like a coup attempt, intentional or otherwise.

    Trump simply has to have committed a crime, surely?

    And I repeat - Twitter needs to take down his account, now. This is seriously dangerous incitement.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 3,726
    edited January 6
    That is astounding, if true.

    Remember when everyone thought the rumours of Trump's Pentagon maneouvres were all froth ?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 12,184
    Is it me or is the crowd thinning out?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 35,715
    OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN
  • eekeek Posts: 10,100
    You would have thought that everyone there would know about the windows-l shortcut.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 3,068
    The end of the Republican Party. They should never be allowed to recover from this!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 8,498
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    So, the darling of the UK hard right is now attempting a coup in the US

    Don’t be silly, Joff.

    I despise the man, but no way is Gove responsible for this.

    Gove is not responsible. But he knew exactly what Trump was. He didn't care.

    People cosying up even to an odious politician cannot be expected to be able to foresee that that person will one day engage in what amounts to a coup, don't be absurd. The licence to criticise someone for cosying up to someone they can reasonable foresee will do awful political things does not extend that far, since virtually no one would think a stable democracy like the US might lead to this in 4 years.
    HYUFD said:
    It's a coordinated mob, urged on by an individual and tacitly (though not directly) supported by many many many members of Congress, storming the legislature to prevent the law being carried out, and some of them are armed.

    It isn't close to a coup attempt, it is a coup attempt.
    Your moderating influence is normally pretty accurate, but it was never difficult to see a man who praised Putin, Kim, Xi, Duterte, Erdogan and criticised May, Merkel, Trudeau might be a fan of coups.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 5,983
    Why are none of them dressed as Batman? The British government did not fall when parliament was invaded. And when will Betfair settle Georgia?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 3,726
    edited January 6
    If Trump is preventing the national guard from getting involved, and at least claiming some of the police on side, that would really be the early makings of a coup attempt.

    Everything would then turn to the military, who I'd presume woudn't be on his side.
  • OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN

    Olympus was the code name for the White House not the Capitol.

    Have you even watched the film?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514
    Contemptable man. He cannot pretend to be surprised Trump would incite something like this, only at its extent.

    Don't hand people a match and then complain when they set a fire.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514
    They really need to change their settings for when screensavers kick in.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 34,494

    OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN

    That’s twice you’ve got it wrong now.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 657
    edited January 6

    That is astounding, if true.

    Remember when everyone thought the rumours of Trump's Pentagon maneouvres were all froth ?
    100% a coup attempt, then.

    Insanity.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 36,845

    this is crazy shit... us in the UK need to see this a warning right now.

    A warning of what? In what way is any element of what is unfolding in DC comparable to the UK?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 35,715

    Is it me or is the crowd thinning out?

    Aren't they all inside?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 15,678
    Time for the 25th, but does Pence have a majority?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 5,155
    Cicero said:

    The GOP is going to pay a stunning price for this. Trump is going to face legal jeopardy for the rest of his life.

    My point on previous thread. Trump's options now are narrowing towards are dictatorship or life in prison. Scary.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 34,494
    kle4 said:

    They really need to change their settings for when screensavers kick in.
    Massive security breach as well, of course. These nuts with access to secure computer systems is hardly a cheerful thought in itself.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 15,678
    Olympus has a good range of cameras.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514
    Cicero said:

    The GOP is going to pay a stunning price for this. .

    People are remarkably able to justify things. Tiny minority, righteously angry at a stolen election.

    #NotAllGOP and some words of lament from Romney or whoever, and they will all stay in the party and be backed across the nation.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 35,715
    ydoethur said:

    OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN

    That’s twice you’ve got it wrong now.
    Where does Trump live? (for the moment, at any rate)
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 35,152
    How do the Republicans come back from this? How does Trump stay out of jail?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 34,494
    edited January 6
    Jonathan said:

    Time for the 25th, but does Pence have a majority?

    Now here is a question.

    Would he need a majority of only confirmed cabinet members, or would it include acting members?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 15,678

    How do the Republicans come back from this? How does Trump stay out of jail?

    He pardons everyone.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 35,715

    OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN

    Olympus was the code name for the White House not the Capitol.

    Have you even watched the film?
    Where does Trump live? (for the moment at any rate)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 34,494

    ydoethur said:

    OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN

    That’s twice you’ve got it wrong now.
    Where does Trump live? (for the moment, at any rate)
    On his golf course, apparently.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 2,966
    edited January 6
    You know that right to bear arms thing...

  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 657
    Jonathan said:

    Time for the 25th, but does Pence have a majority?

    Would that be politic though? They might be hoping that this will fizzle out.

    Incarcerating Trump might not be the most calming move.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 15,678
    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    Time for the 25th, but does Pence have a majority?

    Now here is a question.

    Would he need a majority of only confirmed cabinet members, or would it include acting members?
    Quite.
  • OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN

    Olympus was the code name for the White House not the Capitol.

    Have you even watched the film?
    Where does Trump live? (for the moment at any rate)
    He'll soon be living in a Big House, hopefully.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 2,531
    Will UK Government now allow Trumpsky to land in the UK???

    OR will they ban his entry as a clear and present danger to public safety and security?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 38,775
    Some of these loons will spend the rest of their lives in jail once this is all over. Crazy. Deluded beyond words.

    Cruz and co should hang their heads in utter shame. I hope the history books give them hell.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 34,494
    edited January 6

    How do the Republicans come back from this? How does Trump stay out of jail?

    Well, hopefully he doesn’t.

    As for the Republicans, inertia is a big thing. The Democrats eventually recovered from splitting three ways and plunging the country into a civil war over slavery.

    Admittedly it took 76 years, but what are 76 years among friends?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 63,352
    Oh man he's going to jail for a long long time.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514
    edited January 6

    Jonathan said:

    Time for the 25th, but does Pence have a majority?

    Would that be politic though? They might be hoping that this will fizzle out.

    Incarcerating Trump might not be the most calming move.
    Sometimes there isn't time to let things fester. If ever there was a time for an emergency amputation to save the body, it is now.

    Unfortunately I don't know how you can amputate the arsehole.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 5,155
    CBS says Pentagon reviewing mayor's request for 200 more National Guard.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 31,369
    Fox reporting shots fired inside the Capitol
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 35,715
    The current occupant of the White House has just instigated a coup attempt, right?

    Ergo, OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 3,726
    edited January 6
    Scott_xP said:
    Wow. How the republic will have fallen in the eyes of the world.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 10,115
    IanB2 said:

    this is crazy shit... us in the UK need to see this a warning right now.

    I bet Philip Thompson is feeling like a right [moderated] now when he thought the GOP/Trumpers were like Remainers.
    I was all set to storm the Speaker’s Chair and declare the UK still in the EU, but it clashed with my Waitrose delivery.
    ... thus proving you weren't born to rule. Otherwise the Waitrose delivery would have been for the Lower Servants Hall.

    The game keepers would have spread the word among your tenant farmers and summoned your militia for you.

    So you would have had time for a relaxing sherry on the terrace, before starting the March On London.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 38,775

    How do the Republicans come back from this? How does Trump stay out of jail?

    Have we heard from Biden yet?

    This is a coup attempt.

  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 8,452
    The scary thing is now Trump has nothing to lose.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 15,678
    So if this is a coup, whats Trumps next move? It’s hard to see where this can go beyond creating a mess and delaying the certification a day or two.
  • glwglw Posts: 6,911

    Jonathan said:

    Time for the 25th, but does Pence have a majority?

    Would that be politic though? They might be hoping that this will fizzle out.

    Incarcerating Trump might not be the most calming move.
    It's not about whether it incites the mob, it's about stopping Trump doing something nuts like launching an attack on Iran.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 36,845
    Got to be a reasonable chance now that the 46th President of the United States is not Biden, but Pence.

    Betting?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 44,520
    Someone on C-Span pointing out that the last time the Capitol came under attack was 1812 from the British.....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 31,369
    Pelosi and the DC mayor have called for the National Guard
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 11,407

    How do the Republicans come back from this? How does Trump stay out of jail?

    Have we heard from Biden yet?

    This is a coup attempt.

    Probably letting them hang themselves
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 12,184
    edited January 6

    Got to be a reasonable chance now that the 46th President of the United States is not Biden, but Pence.

    Betting?

    We've covered this I believe. Even if Pence becomes president before Biden he won't be considered the 46th, I think.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514

    Leon said:

    Gaussian said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Trump declares martial law by end of today?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/04/leave-military-out-of-it-former-defence-secretaries-tell-trump

    Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
    Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
    Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.

    These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.

    The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
    Pelosi was saying only the other days that statues should be pulled out of the US Capitol, thus pouring fuel on the fire and fanning their deepest fears.

    Both sides are a disgrace.
    Even if that is so, things, particularly at this moment, are not equally disgraceful.

    Don't US cops have tasers, truncheons and mild tear gas?

    That would seem appropriate here. Not jumping straight to handguns and shooting.

    You'd think if they were good at anything it would be beating people up, but they seemed totally off guard.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 38,775
    IanB2 said:

    Pelosi and the DC mayor have called for the National Guard

    Too right. Assume they can be trusted to back the right side.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 11,407
    IanB2 said:

    Fox reporting shots fired inside the Capitol

    the guy I am watching appears to be saying someone has been shot and I think he just said cpr being performed
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514
    Certainly will - some of those guys are getting in trouble for not wearing masks.
  • The current occupant of the White House has just instigated a coup attempt, right?

    Ergo, OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN.

    Bullshit, Olympus is still secure.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 50,909
    .

    Got to be a reasonable chance now that the 46th President of the United States is not Biden, but Pence.

    Betting?

    We've covered this I believe. Even if Pence becomes president before Biden he won't be considered the 46th.
    Is that because he'd be "acting president"?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 2,531
    America is indeed a VERY divided and polarized place right now - that's NOT a secret.

    BUT I know my own country well enough, to be confident in this - that the vast majority of Republicans and Trump supporters do NOT support the armed attack by a mob against the US Capitol. DO NOT SUPPORT IT.

    My own father was a fan of Joe McCarthy in the early 1950s when he was fighting communism (my father was a US Marine Korean War combat vet). However, my Daddy Dearest turned against JMcC when it became clear that he was NOT motivated by good motives, but rather by a lust for power that had no limits.

    Same thing is gonna happen with Trumpsky. That's my prediction for this day.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 35,715

    Someone on C-Span pointing out that the last time the Capitol came under attack was 1812 from the British.....

    Is Nigel involved? Surely not!!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 38,775
    Mitt Romney, on his way to a secure location, says, ‘This is what the President has caused.’
  • LeonLeon Posts: 893
    FPT for Casino

    It is tragic. Difficult to see how America pulls back from this brink, but it must. Obvs.

    Again one turns to Yeats' The Second Coming. Written in the immediate aftermath of Spanish Flu


    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 657
    glw said:

    Jonathan said:

    Time for the 25th, but does Pence have a majority?

    Would that be politic though? They might be hoping that this will fizzle out.

    Incarcerating Trump might not be the most calming move.
    It's not about whether it incites the mob, it's about stopping Trump doing something nuts like launching an attack on Iran.
    That would almost be less nuts than this. Almost.
  • Got to be a reasonable chance now that the 46th President of the United States is not Biden, but Pence.

    Betting?

    We've covered this I believe. Even if Pence becomes president before Biden he won't be considered the 46th, I think.
    I'd not seen that discussion. Why wouldn't he be considered 46th out of interest? Albeit he'd only be there for a fortnight, he'd potentially actually be President as opposed to acting President wouldn't he?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 6,733
    edited January 6

    Got to be a reasonable chance now that the 46th President of the United States is not Biden, but Pence.

    Betting?

    That's what I'm thinking
    Trump leaves before end of 1st Term: 18 on Betfair

    EDIT I got £17 on it before it moved to 15

    EDIT now 13.5
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514
    Pulpstar said:

    Oh man he's going to jail for a long long time.
    He says in another tweet it's a revolution. So very clearly a coup attempt given that stated goal.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 36,845

    Got to be a reasonable chance now that the 46th President of the United States is not Biden, but Pence.

    Betting?

    We've covered this I believe. Even if Pence becomes president before Biden he won't be considered the 46th, I think.
    Ford is the 38th.....
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 3,726
    edited January 6
    IshmaelZ said:
    The usual Trump late get-out, to create ambiguity and denial room. He knows he's done enough to create real alarm and raise real questions about who's in charge.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 31,369

    IanB2 said:

    Pelosi and the DC mayor have called for the National Guard

    Too right. Assume they can be trusted to back the right side.
    It’s being considered; there is concern about the image of armed troops tackling protestors, says Fox
  • LeonLeon Posts: 893

    I hope that the GOP dies and the party of Lincoln comes back.

    Then tell BLM to stop tearing down statues of Lincoln. If you start a culture war, you get a culture war. This is the inevitable, awful, tragic outcome (I am not exonerating these morons in the Capitol, let alone the insane narcissist Trump)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 5,983

    Is it me or is the crowd thinning out?

    Aren't they all inside?
    They will be.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 12,184

    Got to be a reasonable chance now that the 46th President of the United States is not Biden, but Pence.

    Betting?

    We've covered this I believe. Even if Pence becomes president before Biden he won't be considered the 46th, I think.
    Ford is the 38th.....
    Hmm you're right. Maybe I remembered wrong.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 39,210
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Gaussian said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Trump declares martial law by end of today?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/04/leave-military-out-of-it-former-defence-secretaries-tell-trump

    Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
    Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
    Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.

    These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.

    The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
    Pelosi was saying only the other days that statues should be pulled out of the US Capitol, thus pouring fuel on the fire and fanning their deepest fears.

    Both sides are a disgrace.
    Even if that is so, things, particularly at this moment, are not equally disgraceful.

    Don't US cops have tasers, truncheons and mild tear gas?

    That would seem appropriate here. Not jumping straight to handguns and shooting.

    You'd think if they were good at anything it would be beating people up, but they seemed totally off guard.

    I'm thinking of Antifa and torching and burning several major US cities. Including property. Violence. Destruction. Looting. All in the name of SJ.

    And pulling down the statue of Lincoln - the guy who ended slavery.

    I mean, what the fuck?
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 3,730

    The scary thing is now Trump has nothing to lose.

    No.

    The really scary thing is that millions of his supporters don't either. And they are armed, in many cases.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 31,369
    Trump calling for no violence
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 60,514

    I hope that the GOP dies and the party of Lincoln comes back.

    Just make Lincoln president until Biden is inaugurated, he'd do a better job.
  • How do the Republicans come back from this? How does Trump stay out of jail?

    Have we heard from Biden yet?

    This is a coup attempt.

    I think Biden is wise to be circumspect for now. The people involved will not listen to him, and anything he says is more likely to inflame. Better waiting for situation to stabilise and speaking to a scarred nation with a healing message.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 38,775
    Trump to leave before end of term is 15/1 on BF.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 17,156
    Can't the police kneel on some (red) necks?
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