A lot of world leaders buttered up the US President.
We've been over this a few times, but very few as much aa Boris Johnson. He saw an alliance with him, and many of his backroom staff had direct personal contacts with Trump's via the Brexit referendum. There are no other world leaders like that.
We have been over it, and it is always overblown. Attempts to link Boris to Trump get overdone and make it very easy for Boris supporters to dismiss actually relevant criticisms of him.
No, I don't buy that all. The extensive, exceptional links through individuals are real.
Before we Brits get too smug, let us recall that over the last four years a large proportion of our political class, and millions of our fellow citizens, have done their very best to get the biggest vote in British history - 17.4m voting for Leave - to to be simply ignored. They wanted that vote to dismissed before it was ever enacted, and a new referendum imposed, to override that vote.
It was a gentle attempt at a Very Quiet British Coup.
Moreover, one of our major political parties, the Lib Dems, went even further, and demanded a simple "Revoke". Simply: Cancel Democracy. Ignore the entire 17.4 million stupid voters, tell them their vote means nothing so there is no point in voting for anything ever again. If we don't like the way you vote, we will make sure your vote means nothing.
What we are witnessing now, tragically, in Washington, is a lesson for us here in Britain. Respect a vote. Respect the people. Respect democracy.
If Brexit had been annulled, as so many wanted (even on this site) we might not have escaped these awful scenes.
If Lib Dems had won an overall majority in 2019 it would have been, mathematically, because a huge number of the people who had voted for Brexit had changed their minds and were exercising democratic right to do so. There is no comparison.
There really is a direct comparison. The only difference is that Brits don't carry guns and are - generally (cf Jo Cox RIP) - too polite/apathetic to experiment in political violence, and we don't have that terrible history of slavery which poisons everything with questions (often justified) of race.
Brexit was a revolution, but it WAS democratic. The prime minister explicitly told us that Whatever we decided, Parliament would enact. This promise cannot be simply ignored. Nor can the choice of the people be glibly "Revoked". Doing so is not just immoral; it is dangerous. As we see.
FFS - it's even more simple than that. The LIbDems offered people a choice to change their minds, they rejected it. No comparison at all.
There’s plenty to say about the staggering scenes coming out of the US. We have seen their Parliament stormed and trashed by armed protestors, and we as good as saw an innocent woman shot before our eyes. You might comment on the implications for Trump personally, for the Republican Party, for American politics, even for democracy and America’s standing around the world. You might search for betting opportunities or speculate on how it might affect the markets.
There is every chance that some future generation of American school-kids might one day be writing exam essays about it.
We can be reasonably confident that when the history books come to be written, no-one is going to be drawing a parallel with Jo Swinson’s election campaign.
Our resident fool has simply demonstrated why he is so regarded.
Great post. Drawing a direct comparison between an armed coup and the Lib Dems... well, where to start...
Aberdeenshire Lib Dems did approve Trump's golf course.
We will find out in 18 months time that Russia, China and Iran were fuelling this online and on the darkweb behind the scenes - possibly paying some of the key players off too.
Of course. We in the west are being expertly manipulated by mainly Russian but some Chinese bots on social media, fomenting this disorder
We need to regulate the internet. Sadly. Absolute free speech does not work in the age of social media, which can be faked and stoked.
I say this with great regret. Free speech was the greatest achievement of the Enlightenment. But what is the alternative?
Stop working so hard to miss the point.
It's Trump.
Yes, Trump's the immediate trigger. We all know that. We all agree.
And? Do you not think there's a deeper cultural malaise here? The causes? The underlying fissures? The ructions?
That's what we're exploring here. It's what we do on this site.
Hurrah for the Blackshirts say the fellow travellers.
Oh, calm yourself, you big girl's blouse.
It's also worth remembering that societies born of revolution are ALWAYS more violent, thereafter, than countries that "peacefully" evolve.
France and America are both formed by Revolutions that gave them their birth. In France, they have the gilets jaune, and a long history of quite violent opposition to, and suspicion of, government. Their national day is Bastille Day, when they literally celebrate the violent, bloody overthrowing of the government. This infuses their DNA. It explains much of the French political character and their tendency to very extravagant protest.
France wasn't "born" in 1789! I would say Joan of Arc helped found the modern country we call France (yes, that long ago).
Hmmmmm - there would be many, many French people who would argue that modern France is indeed built on the foundation of 1789. Joan of Arc is part of Medieval France - which 1789 was supposed to be a rejection of.
A lot of world leaders buttered up the US President.
We've been over this a few times, but very few as much aa Boris Johnson. He saw and publicly advertised a unique alliance with him, and many of his backroom staff had direct personal contacts and association's with Trump's via the Brexit referendum. There are no other world leaders in that situation, even the ones endorsed by him at more of a distance, such as Bolsonaro, Duerte, or Modi.
Absolutely not true. Macron buttered him up even more.
Stop being delusional. Trump is off the deep end in a world of his own. No western European country's leader supports him. But they have had to work with him.
Clearly the more astute section of what remains in the White House are shitting bricks time, which is why Trumpsky has issued this typically lying tweet.
Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.
These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.
The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
Pelosi was saying only the other days that statues should be pulled out of the US Capitol, thus pouring fuel on the fire and fanning their deepest fears.
Both sides are a disgrace.
Even if that is so, things, particularly at this moment, are not equally disgraceful.
Don't US cops have tasers, truncheons and mild tear gas?
That would seem appropriate here. Not jumping straight to handguns and shooting.
You'd think if they were good at anything it would be beating people up, but they seemed totally off guard.
I get your point @kle4 but @Casino_Royale also has a good point. Both sides have fuelled this for their own ends - Trump with this rhetoric and the Democrats claiming that Trump was an illegitimate President for the past 4 years.
I also suspect that there might not be much sympathy for politicians fleeing the Capitol when many of those same politicians were perfectly happy to turn a blind eye to cities being torched and many small businesses being looted with the Police doing sweet FA
The atmosphere of extremism may have been fuelled by both sides, but where I fundamentally disagree is the insinuation, therefore, that this very much not inevitable event can be suggested to be the fault of those other Trump and his cohorts.
People are responsible for their own actions, and to a degree actions they incite and encourage. Any indirect factoring arising from leftish political escalation on other matters is pretty irrelevant to the very direct incitement and encourgement by Trump and co today, and feels like an unnecessary distraction.
I don't think it should be controversial to suggest that even in a febrile atmosphere that many will have contibuted to, the focus should be on those directing and encouraging the ongoing criminal activity, and that such a focus does not mean an endorsement of past criminal acts by others.
The thing is, now and for the past four years, both sides have sought the same thing, namely to nullify the results which had the other side winning. The way they have gone about that reflects where they have their strengths and where they feel comfortable. For the Democrats, it was constantly seeding exposes and stories in the NYT, WP and others about Putin getting Trump elected etc etc and then impeachment when they won the House. Sure, it's not an armed and crazy mob storming Congress but, while it may have been done digitally and in fine rhetoric, the aim was exactly the same as the protestors here are doing - delegitimise am elected President and force him out of office by whichever means possible, regardless of whether the claims were true or not.
Even if that is so, as you point it out it is not an armed and crazy mob, they used/abused the processes set out under the law and constitution of the United States. Even the bullcrap lawsuits and Senator crap ahead of today can claim that distinction.
Trump just pushed well past that. He is not stupid enough to not know what the results of telling people what he told them and telling them to do what he did could be. Nothing anyone else did before today, however poor that behaviour was in contributing to a denigration of the political culture of the United States, has a bearing on keeping the focus on the most significant cause of the escalation.
He's definitely fuelled it but what people on here forget a lot is that Trump is not the cause of this, he is the vehicle of the frustration. If you are happy with life, you don't go across the country for a protest to storm Congress. These people feel like normal politicians disdain them, ignore them, treat them as racist homophobic hicks and that Trump was the first politician who listened to their views. This is not going away with Trump. The idea you lock him up and then it all goes back to normal is pure fantasy.
They should try being less racist. Then people wouldn't treat them like they are racists.
Many of these people are ones who voted for Obama. Do you think they thought he wasn't Black?
A tiny percentage of Trump voters voted for Obama.
I'm not saying all Trump voters are racists but I bet you a lot of money that a huge proportion of the twats in the Capitol building right now are.
"A tiny percentage of Trump voters voted for Obama"
Obama won Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina, Indiana and Florida. For Trump to have won them suggests more than a "tiny" number of Obama voters switched over
I think my worst ever (political) take was back in 2016 when I said I hoped once Trump sat in the Oval Office he'd feel the hand of history and grow into the Presidency.
A lot of world leaders buttered up the US President.
We've been over this a few times, but very few as much aa Boris Johnson. He saw and publicly advertised a unique alliance with him, and many of his backroom staff had direct personal contacts and association's with Trump's via the Brexit referendum. There are no other world leaders in that situation, even the ones endorsed by him at more of a distance, such as Bolsonaro, Duerte, or Modi.
Don't forget Macron who is probably trying to forget the bromance he attempted in 2017/18 -
I hope that the GOP dies and the party of Lincoln comes back.
Then tell BLM to stop tearing down statues of Lincoln. If you start a culture war, you get a culture war. This is the inevitable, awful, tragic outcome (I am not exonerating these morons in the Capitol, let alone the insane narcissist Trump)
Spot on.
The Foxification of the kind of the people who are in the Capitol at the moment started three decades ago. Parts, but not all of BLM, are implicated in the gradual, radical polarisation of US politics, that does span across the whole spectrum since the late 1980s and early 1990s, but that's not really it here.
Tearing down statues of Lincoln and torching cities is insane. It strikes at the very core of the American story and identity.
The thing is you have white liberals like @Foxy who apologise for this and suggest that any opposition to it is evidence of closet racism.
It's that sort of madness that is fuelling the polarisation.
No, it is whataboutery.
And by the way, I have not accused you or any other PB poster of being a racist. I am careful not to do so.
Um. You drew a direct equivalence between me and the Blackshirts.
If you are happy to withdraw this I would graciously accept your apology.
The Blackshirts I am aware of (Mussolini's and Mosley's) were first and foremost anti-communist (and anti-Russia) which I thought was your avowed position; any racism was in their spare time. I don't think the allegation you think has been made, has been made.
A lot of world leaders buttered up the US President.
We've been over this a few times, but very few as much aa Boris Johnson. He saw and publicly advertised a unique alliance with him, and many of his backroom staff had direct personal contacts and association's with Trump's via the Brexit referendum. There are no other world leaders in that situation, even the ones endorsed by him at more of a distance, such as Bolsonaro, Duerte, or Modi.
Don't forget Macron who is probably trying to forget the bromance he attempted in 2017/18 -
Biden is very good at judging the right words to use in these situations.
Presidential.
He has got it under control. As has Pence. Unlike some of the hard left bedwetters on here!
Who is hard left, or a bedwetter?
There is something very micropenised, since that is the sort of insult space you seem to want to operate in, on blanket assaults on unspecified posters because (presumably) you lack confidence in your ability to take on someone specific and identifiable.
Biden is very good at judging the right words to use in these situations.
Presidential.
Yes, despite today's events it was very reassuring and that the USA may be back shortly.
I just expect more of moderate Democrats to calm this down. Especially given they are now in charge.
My fear is they'll misjudge it and push ahead with a "radical" programme.
I really hope Biden can rein them in and lead them to a maturer place. And I hope the Republicans can expunge the rot of Trump too and respond to that.
Has been overlooked but I am glad Merrick Garland is Biden's AG pick. I really worried he would go with someone like Andrew Cuomo.
Biden gives a passionate, heartfelt speech about the threat to democracy and America, urges people to be peaceful, attempts to build bridges. Trump whines that the election was stolen from him and as an afterthought suggests protestors go home.
One of the most terrifying things I have ever witnessed - sedition and terrorism in the capital of the western world, fuelled and ignited by Trump, Fox News, and the insane mob that passes for a political party and movement in the US. Thankfully it looks as if this is being taken down and taken apart as we watch, and without more a a handful of injuries. But the damage to American democracy could last a long time. What happens now? Will those Republican Senators and Representatives who earlier objected to the vote certification ceremony now take a long hard look at themselves and their actions, and withdraw their objections? Will those other Republicans - including, my god, Mitch McConnell - who supported the peaceful transition of power be able to sit next to Cruz, Hawley, Gosar and the rest, and either stay in the Republican Party with them, or let them stay in the GOP? Will anybody be subject to arrest, court proceedings, or anything else for the disgusting actions we've witnessed today? Will reasonable Republican voters look at what they've seen and realise they've been had, they've been misled, they've been manipulated? Let's hope something good comes out of this. Because at the moment it all looks nothing but awful.
Great post. Earlier today I thought it was too late for McConnell to switch to try and kick out the MAGAs, as the MAGA's had gotten too strong. I think this changes it bigly. Still a long fight to kick them out but more likely than not, the McConnell wing can win now. To be clear, the McConnell wing are in no sense moderates, but they are not typical MAGA's either.
'If we go home, the gubbermint will steal the election from us and impose a communist dictator. Listen to the REAL President. Even now he is clear that he won by a landslide! This is an outrage!!!"
It's only whataboutery if you're excusing it by reference to something that happened elsewhere.
I was neither excusing it or apologising for it. In fact, I joined in condemning it
Biden is very good at judging the right words to use in these situations.
Presidential.
He has got it under control. As has Pence. Unlike some of the hard left bedwetters on here!
Who is hard left, or a bedwetter?
There is something very micropenised, since that is the sort of insult space you seem to want to operate in, on blanket assaults on unspecified posters because (presumably) you lack confidence in your ability to take on someone specific and identifiable.
Biden is very good at judging the right words to use in these situations.
Presidential.
He has got it under control. As has Pence. Unlike some of the hard left bedwetters on here!
Who is hard left, or a bedwetter?
There is something very micropenised, since that is the sort of insult space you seem to want to operate in, on blanket assaults on unspecified posters because (presumably) you lack confidence in your ability to take on someone specific and identifiable.
O/T. I cannot sign in to comment on either my iPhone or iPad using Safari or Chrome on iOs. The email and password are correct (as I am commenting now using Win10 on my PC). Any ideas how to fix this?
A lot of world leaders buttered up the US President.
We've been over this a few times, but very few as much aa Boris Johnson. He saw and publicly advertised a unique alliance with him, and many of his backroom staff had direct personal contacts and association's with Trump's via the Brexit referendum. There are no other world leaders in that situation, even the ones endorsed by him at more of a distance, such as Bolsonaro, Duerte, or Modi.
Absolutely not true. Macron buttered him up even more.
Stop being delusional. Trump is off the deep end in a world of his own. No western European country's leader supports him. But they have had to work with him.
It might be comforting to think, but that's simply not true, I'm afraid. There's a political and media nexus linking the birth of the Trump and Johnson administrations like no other western leaders. There are tens of individuals you could pick who have been public and unashamed parts of that link, but Bannon, Gove, Mercer and Murdoch are as useful pointers as any.
I remember the day when a bunch of pro-hunting clowns stormed the Commons chamber.
It always seems to be the right who do this sort of thing.
Were Fathers for Justice right wing? Tricky one.
Plenty of mobs, of various brands, in the UK would have liked to storm Parliament - just the police outside tend to be more professional and prepared than the Capitol Hill Police today.
TSG would have filled that lot in, in about 5 minutes.
As to Defund The Police - well, if they are doing have the usefulness of chocolate fireguards*, perhaps replacing them with social workers would be a good idea.
*Not fair to chocolate fireguards. If you have them, you have chocolate. With the Capital Hill Police, you don't even have chocolate.
'If we go home, the gubbermint will steal the election from us and impose a communist dictator. Listen to the REAL President. Even now he is clear that he won by a landslide! This is an outrage!!!"
It's only whataboutery if you're excusing it by reference to something that happened elsewhere.
I was neither excusing it or apologising for it. In fact, I joined in condemning it
I didn't say you had. I was quoting an imaginary protestor
Hopefully the police can peacefully defuse the situation and then apply whatever lessons they have learned in peaceful deescalation to their future dealings with the African American community.
I hope that the GOP dies and the party of Lincoln comes back.
Then tell BLM to stop tearing down statues of Lincoln. If you start a culture war, you get a culture war. This is the inevitable, awful, tragic outcome (I am not exonerating these morons in the Capitol, let alone the insane narcissist Trump)
Spot on.
The Foxification of the kind of the people who are in the Capitol at the moment started three decades ago. Parts, but not all of BLM, are implicated in the gradual, radical polarisation of US politics, that does span across the whole spectrum since the late 1980s and early 1990s, but that's not really it here.
Tearing down statues of Lincoln and torching cities is insane. It strikes at the very core of the American story and identity.
The thing is you have white liberals like @Foxy who apologise for this and suggest that any opposition to it is evidence of closet racism.
It's that sort of madness that is fuelling the polarisation.
No, it is whataboutery.
And by the way, I have not accused you or any other PB poster of being a racist. I am careful not to do so.
Um. You drew a direct equivalence between me and the Blackshirts.
If you are happy to withdraw this I would graciously accept your apology.
The Blackshirts I am aware of (Mussolini's and Mosley's) were first and foremost anti-communist (and anti-Russia) which I thought was your avowed position; any racism was in their spare time. I don't think the allegation you think has been made, has been made.
Biden gives a passionate, heartfelt speech about the threat to democracy and America, urges people to be peaceful, attempts to build bridges. Trump whines that the election was stolen from him and as an afterthought suggests protestors go home.
The comparison is - well, there is no comparison
I don't think you will find a single commenter on here who will defend Trump, or who will deny that he is a demented narcissistic twat, and a menace to American democracy, and therefore the security of the western world.
Biden is (today's speech notwithstanding) a rather unimpressive candidate, but no one on PB - as far as I can see - is now defending let alone promoting the cause of Donald Trump.
Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.
These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.
The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
Pelosi was saying only the other days that statues should be pulled out of the US Capitol, thus pouring fuel on the fire and fanning their deepest fears.
Both sides are a disgrace.
Even if that is so, things, particularly at this moment, are not equally disgraceful.
Don't US cops have tasers, truncheons and mild tear gas?
That would seem appropriate here. Not jumping straight to handguns and shooting.
You'd think if they were good at anything it would be beating people up, but they seemed totally off guard.
I get your point @kle4 but @Casino_Royale also has a good point. Both sides have fuelled this for their own ends - Trump with this rhetoric and the Democrats claiming that Trump was an illegitimate President for the past 4 years.
I also suspect that there might not be much sympathy for politicians fleeing the Capitol when many of those same politicians were perfectly happy to turn a blind eye to cities being torched and many small businesses being looted with the Police doing sweet FA
The atmosphere of extremism may have been fuelled by both sides, but where I fundamentally disagree is the insinuation, therefore, that this very much not inevitable event can be suggested to be the fault of those other Trump and his cohorts.
People are responsible for their own actions, and to a degree actions they incite and encourage. Any indirect factoring arising from leftish political escalation on other matters is pretty irrelevant to the very direct incitement and encourgement by Trump and co today, and feels like an unnecessary distraction.
I don't think it should be controversial to suggest that even in a febrile atmosphere that many will have contibuted to, the focus should be on those directing and encouraging the ongoing criminal activity, and that such a focus does not mean an endorsement of past criminal acts by others.
The thing is, now and for the past four years, both sides have sought the same thing, namely to nullify the results which had the other side winning. The way they have gone about that reflects where they have their strengths and where they feel comfortable. For the Democrats, it was constantly seeding exposes and stories in the NYT, WP and others about Putin getting Trump elected etc etc and then impeachment when they won the House. Sure, it's not an armed and crazy mob storming Congress but, while it may have been done digitally and in fine rhetoric, the aim was exactly the same as the protestors here are doing - delegitimise am elected President and force him out of office by whichever means possible, regardless of whether the claims were true or not.
Even if that is so, as you point it out it is not an armed and crazy mob, they used/abused the processes set out under the law and constitution of the United States. Even the bullcrap lawsuits and Senator crap ahead of today can claim that distinction.
Trump just pushed well past that. He is not stupid enough to not know what the results of telling people what he told them and telling them to do what he did could be. Nothing anyone else did before today, however poor that behaviour was in contributing to a denigration of the political culture of the United States, has a bearing on keeping the focus on the most significant cause of the escalation.
He's definitely fuelled it but what people on here forget a lot is that Trump is not the cause of this, he is the vehicle of the frustration. If you are happy with life, you don't go across the country for a protest to storm Congress. These people feel like normal politicians disdain them, ignore them, treat them as racist homophobic hicks and that Trump was the first politician who listened to their views. This is not going away with Trump. The idea you lock him up and then it all goes back to normal is pure fantasy.
They should try being less racist. Then people wouldn't treat them like they are racists.
Many of these people are ones who voted for Obama. Do you think they thought he wasn't Black?
A tiny percentage of Trump voters voted for Obama.
I'm not saying all Trump voters are racists but I bet you a lot of money that a huge proportion of the twats in the Capitol building right now are.
"A tiny percentage of Trump voters voted for Obama"
Obama won Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina, Indiana and Florida. For Trump to have won them suggests more than a "tiny" number of Obama voters switched over
Both Clinton and Biden got more votes that Obama in either 2008 or 2012 in North Carolina.
Trump needed not a single vote switcher to win it.
'If we go home, the gubbermint will steal the election from us and impose a communist dictator. Listen to the REAL President. Even now he is clear that he won by a landslide! This is an outrage!!!"
It's only whataboutery if you're excusing it by reference to something that happened elsewhere.
I was neither excusing it or apologising for it. In fact, I joined in condemning it
I didn't say you had. I was quoting an imaginary protestor
Armed insurrectionists storm the US Capitol to launch a coup. One parades a Foreign Flag through the heart of the American government. And what does the American President say to them? "We love you; you’re very special"
Biden gives a passionate, heartfelt speech about the threat to democracy and America, urges people to be peaceful, attempts to build bridges. Trump whines that the election was stolen from him and as an afterthought suggests protestors go home.
The comparison is - well, there is no comparison
I don't think you will find a single commenter on here who will defend Trump, or who will deny that he is a demented narcissistic twat, and a menace to American democracy, and therefore the security of the western world.
Biden is (today's speech notwithstanding) a rather unimpressive candidate, but no one on PB - as far as I can see - is now defending let alone promoting the cause of Donald Trump.
I know, I wasn't suggesting anyone was. Just making the comparison.
Hopefully the police can peacefully defuse the situation and then apply whatever lessons they have learned in peaceful deescalation to their future dealings with the African American community.
Having watched both Biden’s and Trump’s statements, the thing that staggers me is that Republicans spent months trying to make out that Biden was the cognitive-impaired one?
Seriously, one of these two seems sharp as a tack and the other one is badly confused and delusional. And it ain’t the way around they kept saying it was.
A lot of world leaders buttered up the US President.
We've been over this a few times, but very few as much aa Boris Johnson. He saw and publicly advertised a unique alliance with him, and many of his backroom staff had direct personal contacts and association's with Trump's via the Brexit referendum. There are no other world leaders in that situation, even the ones endorsed by him at more of a distance, such as Bolsonaro, Duerte, or Modi.
Absolutely not true. Macron buttered him up even more.
Stop being delusional. Trump is off the deep end in a world of his own. No western European country's leader supports him. But they have had to work with him.
It might be comforting to think, but that's simply not true, I'm afraid. There's a political and media nexus linking the birth of the Trump and Johnson administrations like no other western leaders. There are tens of individuals you could pick who have been public and unashamed parts of that link, but Bannon, Gove, Mercer and Murdoch are as useful pointers as any.
You're a numpty.
Bannon has never been a real figure in the Conservative Party, whatever fake innuendos the likes of Codswallop may try to make.
A lot of world leaders buttered up the US President.
We've been over this a few times, but very few as much aa Boris Johnson. He saw and publicly advertised a unique alliance with him, and many of his backroom staff had direct personal contacts and association's with Trump's via the Brexit referendum. There are no other world leaders in that situation, even the ones endorsed by him at more of a distance, such as Bolsonaro, Duerte, or Modi.
Absolutely not true. Macron buttered him up even more.
Stop being delusional. Trump is off the deep end in a world of his own. No western European country's leader supports him. But they have had to work with him.
It might be comforting to think, but that's simply not true, I'm afraid. There's a political and media nexus linking the birth of the Trump and Johnson administrations like no other western leaders. There are tens of individuals you could pick who have been public and unashamed parts of that link, but Bannon, Gove, Mercer and Murdoch are as useful pointers as any.
THat photo of Mr Gove and Mr Trump is (to be a bit UK-parochial for a moment) going to be solid gold for his opponents. Mr Johnson, not so much - could be his Prime Ministerial role - but Mr Gove at Trump Towers ...
I remember the day when a bunch of pro-hunting clowns stormed the Commons chamber.
It always seems to be the right who do this sort of thing.
Were Fathers for Justice right wing? Tricky one.
Plenty of mobs, of various brands, in the UK would have liked to storm Parliament - just the police outside tend to be more professional and prepared than the Capitol Hill Police today.
TSG would have filled that lot in, in about 5 minutes.
As to Defund The Police - well, if they are doing have the usefulness of chocolate fireguards*, perhaps replacing them with social workers would be a good idea.
*Not fair to chocolate fireguards. If you have them, you have chocolate. With the Capital Hill Police, you don't even have chocolate.
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But behind his back they were laughing at him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxtdCeg7VPE
Stop being delusional. Trump is off the deep end in a world of his own. No western European country's leader supports him. But they have had to work with him.
Obama won Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina, Indiana and Florida. For Trump to have won them suggests more than a "tiny" number of Obama voters switched over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_U_pNR8Ej0
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43840965
There is something very micropenised, since that is the sort of insult space you seem to want to operate in, on blanket assaults on unspecified posters because (presumably) you lack confidence in your ability to take on someone specific and identifiable.
Public transport, FFS!
Trump whines that the election was stolen from him and as an afterthought suggests protestors go home.
The comparison is - well, there is no comparison
I was neither excusing it or apologising for it. In fact, I joined in condemning it
How the hell is he going to reunite this country?
His speech today, however, was good. Perhaps he has hidden strengths. Lord knows, America needs them.
https://twitter.com/AndrewRTDavies/status/1135473145182392320
What The Actual Fuck!!!
It's the biggest gathering of incels in American history.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1346933937302614019
The strengths of Hercules.
Except, today, it has.
TSG would have filled that lot in, in about 5 minutes.
As to Defund The Police - well, if they are doing have the usefulness of chocolate fireguards*, perhaps replacing them with social workers would be a good idea.
*Not fair to chocolate fireguards. If you have them, you have chocolate. With the Capital Hill Police, you don't even have chocolate.
I would judge him fit to stand trial.
Biden is (today's speech notwithstanding) a rather unimpressive candidate, but no one on PB - as far as I can see - is now defending let alone promoting the cause of Donald Trump.
Trump needed not a single vote switcher to win it.
Ditto Florida.
Anyway, logging off now. Good evening.
Jefferson Davis actually did split the country,
They don't have to hold it in the Capitol - and for security reasons might choose not to.
You are a card.
Seriously, one of these two seems sharp as a tack and the other one is badly confused and delusional. And it ain’t the way around they kept saying it was.
Bannon has never been a real figure in the Conservative Party, whatever fake innuendos the likes of Codswallop may try to make.
Gove, Mercer and Murdoch are all mainstream.