With 98% of the votes counted the Dems looks set to gain both Georgia US Senate seats – politicalbet
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I think it is highly likely.kle4 said:
I so want Biden to run again in 2024. Everyone, including probably him, are so certain he will be a one term president, that it will just be comedic for him to say, you know what, I think I'm doing a good job, I've got just as many marbles as I did in 2020, primary me if you want a go now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think we might need to start making allowances for the fact that a huge number of Trumpers/GOPers will be dead by 2024 as they view Covid-19 as hoax, engage in super spreader events and decline the vaccine.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Trump super spreader event playing 'In The Air Tonight'. It certainly is.
Even bigger Dem landslide in 2024 as Biden wins in places like Texas.
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I have this theory (which is probably bollocks) that @contrarian is Peter Hitchenskle4 said:I'll give this to contrarian, at least he is explaining his reasoning, as much as I disagree with it hugely.
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There's nothing nailed on about an election four years away, ever.contrarian said:
You would agree, then, that the Republicans are nailed on to win in 2024, seeing as a donkey in a red rosette could beat the spectacularly unpopular Kamala Harris, would will presumably be the incumbent and candidate for the democrats by then.rcs1000 said:
I'd certainly agree with that.HYUFD said:
McCain would likely have hammered Gore in 2000 too, one February 2000 poll had it McCain 59% and Gore just 35% if McCain was the GOP nomineercs1000 said:
He would have absolutely hammered her: remember, he got pretty close to Obama, hard not to think that he would done very well against the much more unpopular Clinton.Alistair said:Romney in all likelyhood would have thrashed Clinton.
(Worth remembering that he got a much higher share of the vote than Trump did in either 2016 or 2020.)
https://edition.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/28/cnn.poll/index.html
Except of course that won;t be the case.
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F1: some New Year specials.
There's evens on Perez scoring over 8.5 podiums. I am zero percent tempted by this given the difficulty he'll face beating his team mate and the likely dominance of Mercedes, plus the potential for the calendar to be curtailed.
Hamilton is 2.37 for over 14.5 wins, which I also find unappealing.
Schumacher's 2.62 for over 2.5 points finishes, but the Haas was pretty terrible last year.
Bottas at 2.62 to be fastest qualifier at over 8.5 weekends is the most tempting so far. But he did have a habit of choking in 2020.
Alpine to be third is 8.5. An interesting bet... if I had a free bet I'd put it on this. Probably wouldn't put my own money on it. Hmm.0 -
Interesting, thanks. This bit stood out:CarlottaVance said:Why the French are reluctant vaxxers:
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/1/6/why-are-so-many-in-france-hesitant-to-take-the-covid-19-vaccine
In 1991, in France’s biggest public health scandal, the government was found to have knowingly administered transfusions with contaminated blood from people who were HIV positive to at least 1,200 haemophiliacs, which led to hundreds of deaths.
The French are certainly not alone in having suffered that scandal. But I've never heard anyone here connect that to vaccines. I think we're generally pretty trusting of government (even when we perhaps shouldn't be!), so hopefully should get most people vaccinated.0 -
I genuinely think he might if he has quite good numbers and midterms, is enjoying life, and feels okay in himself. I think he's 80-90% in himself that he's run his last race, but I don't think he's totally closed it off.kle4 said:
I so want Biden to run again in 2024. Everyone, including probably him, are so certain he will be a one term president, that it will just be comedic for him to say, you know what, I think I'm doing a good job, I've got just as many marbles as I did in 2020, primary me if you want a go now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think we might need to start making allowances for the fact that a huge number of Trumpers/GOPers will be dead by 2024 as they view Covid-19 as hoax, engage in super spreader events and decline the vaccine.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Trump super spreader event playing 'In The Air Tonight'. It certainly is.
Even bigger Dem landslide in 2024 as Biden wins in places like Texas.
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Job done - the initial press release gets the front page coverage - the correction is on page 72 under the gardening column.malcolmg said:
I see the Tories have been caught lying again , after all their trumpeting about the extra £375M supposedly given to Scotland it turns out just as Scottish Government said , that they were lying and it was just their usual counting the same money multiple times. They have even went back and changed their press releases etc. What a bunch of deadbeats.Fairliered said:
Not the media, though. If (and it’s extremely unlikely) the P&J were to be supportive of the SNP, they would be only the second daily newspaper to support them.Luckyguy1983 said:
A lot of Scottish institutions in recent times have changed their policy of measured disapproval toward the nat agenda to embracing it. At the very least, the SNP looks like the dominant Governing force in Scotland for a long time, and they're increasingly adept at using the levers of power to further their cause. Case of 'lie back and think of Scotland'. Whether it's a wise long term strategy remains to be seen.Fairliered said:
Following their fishing and farming readership.Theuniondivvie said:Fck me, maybe the P&J is turning into a Nat mouthpiece!
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Really? I'm surprised. But I'm sure Harris will run a fine campaign when it is her turn at some point.rottenborough said:
I think it is highly likely.kle4 said:
I so want Biden to run again in 2024. Everyone, including probably him, are so certain he will be a one term president, that it will just be comedic for him to say, you know what, I think I'm doing a good job, I've got just as many marbles as I did in 2020, primary me if you want a go now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think we might need to start making allowances for the fact that a huge number of Trumpers/GOPers will be dead by 2024 as they view Covid-19 as hoax, engage in super spreader events and decline the vaccine.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Trump super spreader event playing 'In The Air Tonight'. It certainly is.
Even bigger Dem landslide in 2024 as Biden wins in places like Texas.
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You think? I think it is as likely he won't serve the full 4 years. This is a seriously tough job and he is taking over in interesting times. He also has the serious disadvantage, compared with Trump, of actually giving a damn.rottenborough said:
I think it is highly likely.kle4 said:
I so want Biden to run again in 2024. Everyone, including probably him, are so certain he will be a one term president, that it will just be comedic for him to say, you know what, I think I'm doing a good job, I've got just as many marbles as I did in 2020, primary me if you want a go now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think we might need to start making allowances for the fact that a huge number of Trumpers/GOPers will be dead by 2024 as they view Covid-19 as hoax, engage in super spreader events and decline the vaccine.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Trump super spreader event playing 'In The Air Tonight'. It certainly is.
Even bigger Dem landslide in 2024 as Biden wins in places like Texas.1 -
You don't want a '£50 or quits' even if I slew it in your favour like last time?HYUFD said:
Once 100% of the Georgia votes are in and it is confirmed there will be no recount in the Ossoff and Perdue race, then I will pay up. Or if there is a recount once it is completed and if the Ossoff result is upheldkinabalu said:
It is a sign of blog celebrity. If a poster called "kuntibula" rocked up I'd be rather chuffed.HYUFD said:
Well I suppose you have to be famous enough to be worth having a parody or impersonator of you in the first placeIanB2 said:
You should take it as a compliment. Even Sean has to run his own parody accounts.HYUFD said:
I may sue for passing off as meFFUHD said:
It should be noted that the last time I flipped 3 tails in a row on a Wednesday when the President-elect's surname began with B, it was followed by a run of two heads and a tail.HYUFD said:
It should be noted that the last time a party lost the White House after only 1 term, when Carter lost in 1980, it took the Democrats 12 years until Bill Clinton in 1992 before they won the White House again.Peter_the_Punter said:
Trump is a cult.* His support will wane now but it won't readily transfer anywhere and certainly not to traditional Republicans. The GoP has a massive problem, very much of its own creation. It will do well to avoid a long period in the wilderness.HYUFD said:
I think even if Trump and Trump Jnr do not run in 2024 one of Pence or Cruz will be the GOP nominee, the GOP base are not going to pick an establishment and moderate 'RINO' as their nominee anytime soonkinabalu said:
I totally share your opinion on the damage done but I do not think Trump & Clan will be the ongoing political force that many fear (or hope if they're on the dark side). Soon he will out of the White House. He'll be an impeached and disgraced one term ex-president with big legal and money troubles who managed the remarkable negative feat of failing to win a 2nd term after just 4 years of his party in power and while he's at it losing both houses of Congress to the hated other.OllyT said:
In some cases you may be correct but I believe the GOP will be dancing to Trump's tune for the next 4 years.edmundintokyo said:
IDK, parties nearly always pick a moderate against an incumbent, not least because if the governing side isn't contested then politics enthusiasts vote in the opposition race, especially where there are open primaries. It's not clear that Trump will be willing and able to run, and if he's not then it's not clear that anybody similar can pull off what he did.OllyT said:
The GOP have got themselves into a dire position. Many of them know that the Trump core are batshit crazy / QAnon types but there are too many of them to ignore so they keep quiet because they are scared of them.another_richard said:So does the GOP fall into civil war or does it reorganise and retake the House in 2022 ?
I don't see an easy path for any moderately sane Republican to win a GOP Primary. That's why we still have 10 GOP Senators about to humiliate themselves by still pretending Trump won the election.
Trump is a malign, vindictive and bullying individual who will take great pleasure in trying to destroy any Republican who has displeased him. The right really have taken the US into a very dark place and now the genii is out of the bottle it's not going to be easy to put it back.
From 20 Jan his world will shrink beyond recognition. The difference between being the American president and not being the American president is almost as stark as that between being dead or alive. He'll lose all the trappings of that great office - the most important of which was to have his bullshit piped into people's heads 24/7. Supporters will drift away, not to be replaced by new ones. It will be one way traffic. Drip drip drip until what's left is something not to be taken seriously. He might even realize this himself before too long and concentrate just on cashflow and staying out of jail. Perhaps a deal? Not sure on that one. We'll see.
But Donald Trump the fearsome politician is over. No doubt there will be other grisly characters (the lizard Ted Cruz?) who will battle to own the MAGA space in the GOP, and one will prevail and be a live contender for the 24 nomination, but that person will not be called Trump and they won't be able to recreate what he did in 15/16 because that stunning achievement owed so much to his personal brand and persona. So they won't win the nomination. The Republican Party might look beyond the pale now but my money is on them detoxifying. Looking forward to the opening of the WH24 betting.
* For the avoidance of doubt this is not a typo.
Which is not encouraging for the GOP, at least at the Presidential level
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Now then, you're £25 in hock to me due to Georgia.
Should I come up with a couple of "double or quits" offers to ward off a settlement?0 -
An English Parliament would be a help, so England is finally recognised as an equal partner within the UK alongside Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland which already have their own Parliaments and Assembly as well as still electing MPs to WestminsterTheScreamingEagles said:2 -
Ummm . . . yes.CarlottaVance said:Yes Mr Shapps! Finger on the pulse! That's what we want to hear about from the Transport Secretary! Electric Buses
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1346844653413425153?s=20
Electric buses is surely literally in the Transport Secretaries portfolio?
Complaining about that is like complaining when the Culture Secretary speaks about TV Programmes disclaimers on Netflix.
Schapps is a numpty for reasons unrelated to this - and I could understand complaining if this is what the Home Secretary was talking about - but Transport Secretary talking about buses really should be par for the course shouldn't it?0 -
This Rolling Stone article, from the 2000 election, on John McCain is excellent: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/david-foster-wallace-on-john-mccain-the-weasel-twelve-monkeys-and-the-shrub-194272/Yorkcity said:
John Mcain was a great American citizen .HYUFD said:
McCain would likely have hammered Gore in 2000 too, one February 2000 poll had it McCain 59% and Gore just 35% if McCain was the GOP nomineercs1000 said:
He would have absolutely hammered her: remember, he got pretty close to Obama, hard not to think that he would done very well against the much more unpopular Clinton.Alistair said:Romney in all likelyhood would have thrashed Clinton.
(Worth remembering that he got a much higher share of the vote than Trump did in either 2016 or 2020.)
https://edition.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/28/cnn.poll/index.html
I was hoping he would become president even against Obama.
I did not dislike Obama , and was great to have a black president.
However imo he was overrated especially his speech making and dealing with foreign affairs.
John Mcain telling that lady voter that she was wrong over her criticism over Obama race, was an example of such a great man.
(Being written by David Foster Wallace, it's also rather funny.)1 -
I absolute think English indifference is a major, if not the major, cause of the downfall of the Union. It helps fuel nationalism in other areas and undermines fighting against it.TheScreamingEagles said:1 -
Nothing there is tempting in the slightest.Morris_Dancer said:F1: some New Year specials.
There's evens on Perez scoring over 8.5 podiums. I am zero percent tempted by this given the difficulty he'll face beating his team mate and the likely dominance of Mercedes, plus the potential for the calendar to be curtailed.
Hamilton is 2.37 for over 14.5 wins, which I also find unappealing.
Schumacher's 2.62 for over 2.5 points finishes, but the Haas was pretty terrible last year.
Bottas at 2.62 to be fastest qualifier at over 8.5 weekends is the most tempting so far. But he did have a habit of choking in 2020.
Alpine to be third is 8.5. An interesting bet... if I had a free bet I'd put it on this. Probably wouldn't put my own money on it. Hmm.
Alpine as third means it has to beat both Mclaren and Aston Martin and I just don't see it.0 -
We have one route through our community, with a half-hourly bus each way. I don't think I've seen more than 2 or 3 people on a bus other than just before Christmas, and before the pandemic there would be 10 times that.Selebian said:
Great time to do it, too, given current demand for buses probably means electrifying Coventry and Oxford bus fleets requires purchase of only two vehicles (probably not practical to run both services on one bus due to the inter-city distances involved)Malmesbury said:
Given that a large portion of urban pollution is from ancient diesel buses coughing their way along - that is exactly the kind of thing the Transport Sec. should be on about....CarlottaVance said:Yes Mr Shapps! Finger on the pulse! That's what we want to hear about from the Transport Secretary! Electric Buses
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1346844653413425153?s=20
Clearly the services must be subsidised, but for how much longer?1 -
This is what everyone said about Cameron though.DavidL said:
You think? I think it is as likely he won't serve the full 4 years. This is a seriously tough job and he is taking over in interesting times. He also has the serious disadvantage, compared with Trump, of actually giving a damn.rottenborough said:
I think it is highly likely.kle4 said:
I so want Biden to run again in 2024. Everyone, including probably him, are so certain he will be a one term president, that it will just be comedic for him to say, you know what, I think I'm doing a good job, I've got just as many marbles as I did in 2020, primary me if you want a go now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think we might need to start making allowances for the fact that a huge number of Trumpers/GOPers will be dead by 2024 as they view Covid-19 as hoax, engage in super spreader events and decline the vaccine.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Trump super spreader event playing 'In The Air Tonight'. It certainly is.
Even bigger Dem landslide in 2024 as Biden wins in places like Texas.
Age, not the tough job, is surely why he won't run again.0 -
So who is going to be dragged out of the closet when @kinabalu publishes his list?Anabobazina said:
I hope @Dura_Ace is on your list: a PB Trumpton who wanted Trump to beat Biden for the lolz.kinabalu said:
On my list - the Dirty Dozen - 10 are Leavers. The exceptions are firstly a bit of an unusual poster, something of an enigma (even to me), and secondly one who was yearning to be proved right on his prediction. It would also be 13 - split 10/3 - if I included a hardish lefty who no longer posts who would have wanted Biden beaten as an example because he was centrist mush stopping the radical wing of the Dems having a shot at the top table.Roger said:
Indeed not. Brexiteers all of them. Some because of his strinkingly similar amoral behaviour to Boris some because they think he and Boris can be best friends in a post truth Brexity world.Anabobazina said:
Indeed. That's a bizarre attack from Nigel.Benpointer said:
Not by a long chalk is @Philip_Thompson 'the most Trumpian poster in here'.Nigel_Foremain said:
You fibber, you are the most Trumpian poster on here. I guess you hope that saying you are anti-Trump makes you sound a little more human. Trump is a far right populist and so are you. If you were an American you would be wearing the hat and attending all his rallies and claiming the election was a fraud. You never have any real evidence for your stated views just right wing hunches, just like him. You are probably one of Donald Trump's love childrenPhilip_Thompson said:
Well I'm a right winger who thinks Ronald Reagan was America's best postwar POTUS but I find Trump revolting and am glad the Democrats won.contrarian said:
Wow, another leftist promising conservatives they still have a chance if only they select a candidate the left approves of.Alistair said:I see we are back with the "Trump who got 2 of the 3 lowest Republican votes shares this millennium" is wildly popular line of thinking.
I guess we can expect a great deal of this over the next two years.
Maybe right wingers finding Trump repellant should be taken seriously? Just an idea.
I disagree with what PT says but you need to look elsewhere for PB Trump supporters. It isn't hard.
Plenty of PB Trumptons linger around, they are easy enough to identify.
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(Shouldn't it be North East Dakota and North West Dakota... and ditto for the South)not_on_fire said:
Stand by for the great states of East and West DakotaMalmesbury said:
{Texas has entered the chat}kle4 said:
Split themselves into more states. The sky is the limit, or rather how small the stars will be in the flagTheScreamingEagles said:I was trying to compile this stat earlier.
https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/13468344076263342090 -
It's Sub Judice for obvious reasons. Although I can probably risk disclosing that you are one of those named. Can't see you suing.MrEd said:
Bet you are on the list @MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark said:
I'm betting it includes those so secret, they have continuously said they wouldn't have voted for Trump in 2016 or 2020.... But clearly, they didn't mean it.kinabalu said:
I have a list of PBers who were either overtly or secretly rooting for Trump to beat Biden.Benpointer said:
Not by a long chalk is @Philip_Thompson 'the most Trumpian poster in here'.Nigel_Foremain said:
You fibber, you are the most Trumpian poster on here. I guess you hope that saying you are anti-Trump makes you sound a little more human. Trump is a far right populist and so are you. If you were an American you would be wearing the hat and attending all his rallies and claiming the election was a fraud. You never have any real evidence for your stated views just right wing hunches, just like him. You are probably one of Donald Trump's love childrenPhilip_Thompson said:
Well I'm a right winger who thinks Ronald Reagan was America's best postwar POTUS but I find Trump revolting and am glad the Democrats won.contrarian said:
Wow, another leftist promising conservatives they still have a chance if only they select a candidate the left approves of.Alistair said:I see we are back with the "Trump who got 2 of the 3 lowest Republican votes shares this millennium" is wildly popular line of thinking.
I guess we can expect a great deal of this over the next two years.
Maybe right wingers finding Trump repellant should be taken seriously? Just an idea.
I disagree with what PT says but you need to look elsewhere for PB Trump supporters. It isn't hard.
There are 12 names on it. The Dirty Dozen.0 -
Another article I read on this topic was that the French don't trust doctors in a way that we and most Western Europe does.tlg86 said:
Interesting, thanks. This bit stood out:CarlottaVance said:Why the French are reluctant vaxxers:
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/1/6/why-are-so-many-in-france-hesitant-to-take-the-covid-19-vaccine
In 1991, in France’s biggest public health scandal, the government was found to have knowingly administered transfusions with contaminated blood from people who were HIV positive to at least 1,200 haemophiliacs, which led to hundreds of deaths.
The French are certainly not alone in having suffered that scandal. But I've never heard anyone here connect that to vaccines. I think we're generally pretty trusting of government (even when we perhaps shouldn't be!), so hopefully should get most people vaccinated.
There's been plenty of scandals where the medical professionals have ignored/covered up things.
A top French pharmaceutical company and a drugs watchdog went on trial in Paris on Monday over one of France’s largest-ever health scandals. The massive Mediator trial, named for a diabetes drug linked to at least 500 deaths, will last seven months.
Twenty-three defendants – 11 institutions and 12 individuals – face more than 2,600 plaintiffs in the trial, just some of the 4,981 victims an amphetamine-derived pill by Servier Laboratories marketed as Mediator. Introduced in 1976 for overweight type-2 diabetes patients, the drug was widely prescribed as an appetite suppressant to otherwise healthy people looking to lose weight. Investigating magistrates believe Servier “knowingly hid” properties of the amphetamine-derived drug and deliberately “concealed its harmful side-effects”.
The trial will seek to answer how a drug subject to safety alerts as early as the mid-1990s was allowed to remain on the market in France for 33 years, until 2009, long after it was yanked from pharmacists’ shelves in the United States, Spain and Italy.
https://www.france24.com/en/20190923-france-pharmaceutical-mediator-mammoth-trial-drugmaker-servier-regulator-scandal
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Brexit is and always was a Little Englander project.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron said it before the referendum and he was absolutely right.1 -
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I suspect it is not so much the subject he is talking about as that another aspect of his portfolio, perhaps involving planes, is what people would prefer he talk about.Philip_Thompson said:
Ummm . . . yes.CarlottaVance said:Yes Mr Shapps! Finger on the pulse! That's what we want to hear about from the Transport Secretary! Electric Buses
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1346844653413425153?s=20
Electric buses is surely literally in the Transport Secretaries portfolio?
Complaining about that is like complaining when the Culture Secretary speaks about TV Programmes disclaimers on Netflix.
Schapps is a numpty for reasons unrelated to this - and I could understand complaining if this is what the Home Secretary was talking about - but Transport Secretary talking about buses really should be par for the course shouldn't it?
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I don't think its dishonesty. I think its the fact that English voters (and Tory MPs) care more what happens in England than NI.Scott_xP said:
Quite frankly IDGAF what happens in NI, so long as NI voters can influence it in their own elections. Which is the case with Boris's deal.0 -
Mr. kle4, indeed.
And as Mr. HYUFD points out above, the political class' reluctance to consider England in the same way it does Scotland or Wales, where devolution's a great thing and a natural step and nobody ever even considered cutting those lands into pieces, is a major driver of English indifference and distance.
I was surprised in... the 2017 election, I think, when my mother was livid about the winter fuel allowance or suchlike being continued in Scotland (I think that was the policy) but not England.
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If Biden runs again, Harris would not challenge himkle4 said:
Really? I'm surprised. But I'm sure Harris will run a fine campaign when it is her turn at some point.rottenborough said:
I think it is highly likely.kle4 said:
I so want Biden to run again in 2024. Everyone, including probably him, are so certain he will be a one term president, that it will just be comedic for him to say, you know what, I think I'm doing a good job, I've got just as many marbles as I did in 2020, primary me if you want a go now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think we might need to start making allowances for the fact that a huge number of Trumpers/GOPers will be dead by 2024 as they view Covid-19 as hoax, engage in super spreader events and decline the vaccine.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Trump super spreader event playing 'In The Air Tonight'. It certainly is.
Even bigger Dem landslide in 2024 as Biden wins in places like Texas.
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I repeat: An exit poll from Georgia for CNN showed 75% of repubs think the Presidential election was stolen. Those are voters who turned up for the run=offs. Among those who stayed away it is probably higher.Jonathan said:This Trump March/rally is seriously fucked up. Sorry about language, but it’s appropriate. Never seen anything like it. 🥲America.
Many millions of Americans think they have an illegitimate government and a sub third world electoral system.0 -
Two Republicans die and go to heaven.
They ask God if he'd answer one question.
"Of course" God says.
They ask how the Democrats rigged the election in 2020.
"It wasn't rigged" God replied.
The Republicans look at one another and say, "This conspiracy goes higher than we thought!"
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Nokinabalu said:
You don't want a '£50 or quits' even if I slew it in your favour like last time?HYUFD said:
Once 100% of the Georgia votes are in and it is confirmed there will be no recount in the Ossoff and Perdue race, then I will pay up. Or if there is a recount once it is completed and if the Ossoff result is upheldkinabalu said:
It is a sign of blog celebrity. If a poster called "kuntibula" rocked up I'd be rather chuffed.HYUFD said:
Well I suppose you have to be famous enough to be worth having a parody or impersonator of you in the first placeIanB2 said:
You should take it as a compliment. Even Sean has to run his own parody accounts.HYUFD said:
I may sue for passing off as meFFUHD said:
It should be noted that the last time I flipped 3 tails in a row on a Wednesday when the President-elect's surname began with B, it was followed by a run of two heads and a tail.HYUFD said:
It should be noted that the last time a party lost the White House after only 1 term, when Carter lost in 1980, it took the Democrats 12 years until Bill Clinton in 1992 before they won the White House again.Peter_the_Punter said:
Trump is a cult.* His support will wane now but it won't readily transfer anywhere and certainly not to traditional Republicans. The GoP has a massive problem, very much of its own creation. It will do well to avoid a long period in the wilderness.HYUFD said:
I think even if Trump and Trump Jnr do not run in 2024 one of Pence or Cruz will be the GOP nominee, the GOP base are not going to pick an establishment and moderate 'RINO' as their nominee anytime soonkinabalu said:
I totally share your opinion on the damage done but I do not think Trump & Clan will be the ongoing political force that many fear (or hope if they're on the dark side). Soon he will out of the White House. He'll be an impeached and disgraced one term ex-president with big legal and money troubles who managed the remarkable negative feat of failing to win a 2nd term after just 4 years of his party in power and while he's at it losing both houses of Congress to the hated other.OllyT said:
In some cases you may be correct but I believe the GOP will be dancing to Trump's tune for the next 4 years.edmundintokyo said:
IDK, parties nearly always pick a moderate against an incumbent, not least because if the governing side isn't contested then politics enthusiasts vote in the opposition race, especially where there are open primaries. It's not clear that Trump will be willing and able to run, and if he's not then it's not clear that anybody similar can pull off what he did.OllyT said:
The GOP have got themselves into a dire position. Many of them know that the Trump core are batshit crazy / QAnon types but there are too many of them to ignore so they keep quiet because they are scared of them.another_richard said:So does the GOP fall into civil war or does it reorganise and retake the House in 2022 ?
I don't see an easy path for any moderately sane Republican to win a GOP Primary. That's why we still have 10 GOP Senators about to humiliate themselves by still pretending Trump won the election.
Trump is a malign, vindictive and bullying individual who will take great pleasure in trying to destroy any Republican who has displeased him. The right really have taken the US into a very dark place and now the genii is out of the bottle it's not going to be easy to put it back.
From 20 Jan his world will shrink beyond recognition. The difference between being the American president and not being the American president is almost as stark as that between being dead or alive. He'll lose all the trappings of that great office - the most important of which was to have his bullshit piped into people's heads 24/7. Supporters will drift away, not to be replaced by new ones. It will be one way traffic. Drip drip drip until what's left is something not to be taken seriously. He might even realize this himself before too long and concentrate just on cashflow and staying out of jail. Perhaps a deal? Not sure on that one. We'll see.
But Donald Trump the fearsome politician is over. No doubt there will be other grisly characters (the lizard Ted Cruz?) who will battle to own the MAGA space in the GOP, and one will prevail and be a live contender for the 24 nomination, but that person will not be called Trump and they won't be able to recreate what he did in 15/16 because that stunning achievement owed so much to his personal brand and persona. So they won't win the nomination. The Republican Party might look beyond the pale now but my money is on them detoxifying. Looking forward to the opening of the WH24 betting.
* For the avoidance of doubt this is not a typo.
Which is not encouraging for the GOP, at least at the Presidential level
Portentous.
Now then, you're £25 in hock to me due to Georgia.
Should I come up with a couple of "double or quits" offers to ward off a settlement?1 -
Wasn't there a "by" date in that prediction?Scott_xP said:0 -
You see @TSE, there is true inclusivity.TheScreamingEagles said:I love the fact the MAGAs and Rudi love a seminal gay anthem
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1346845106310156290
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An England (excluding London) and Wales and County Antrim project technically, as Wales and Antrim also voted Leave like EnglandScott_xP said:
Brexit is and always was a Little Englander project.TheScreamingEagles said:
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I think people will be likely to overestimate the longevity of the incumbent right after they have just won an election (or in this case days away from being inaugurated).DavidL said:
You think? I think it is as likely he won't serve the full 4 years. This is a seriously tough job and he is taking over in interesting times. He also has the serious disadvantage, compared with Trump, of actually giving a damn.rottenborough said:
I think it is highly likely.kle4 said:
I so want Biden to run again in 2024. Everyone, including probably him, are so certain he will be a one term president, that it will just be comedic for him to say, you know what, I think I'm doing a good job, I've got just as many marbles as I did in 2020, primary me if you want a go now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think we might need to start making allowances for the fact that a huge number of Trumpers/GOPers will be dead by 2024 as they view Covid-19 as hoax, engage in super spreader events and decline the vaccine.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Trump super spreader event playing 'In The Air Tonight'. It certainly is.
Even bigger Dem landslide in 2024 as Biden wins in places like Texas.
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That's almost entirely Trump's work, he's salted the earth for the GOP.contrarian said:
I repeat: An exit poll from Georgia for CNN showed 75% of repubs think the Presidential election was stolen. Those are voters who turned up for the run=offs. Among those who stayed away it is probably higher.Jonathan said:This Trump March/rally is seriously fucked up. Sorry about language, but it’s appropriate. Never seen anything like it. 🥲America.
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Especially when it's not even one who seems to dislike Trump or think there are no concerns about the election. Just that the law is that Biden is now to be President.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:1 -
I would be fine with that, you might even then have had Boris as UK PM and Hunt or Sunak as First Minister of EnglandMorris_Dancer said:Mr. kle4, indeed.
And as Mr. HYUFD points out above, the political class' reluctance to consider England in the same way it does Scotland or Wales, where devolution's a great thing and a natural step and nobody ever even considered cutting those lands into pieces, is a major driver of English indifference and distance.
I was surprised in... the 2017 election, I think, when my mother was livid about the winter fuel allowance or suchlike being continued in Scotland (I think that was the policy) but not England.
Give England a Parliament, and reduce Westminster to Treasury, Defence, Foreign affairs and some Home matters.0 -
Little Wales too?Scott_xP said:
Brexit is and always was a Little Englander project.TheScreamingEagles said:
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Don't think Trump's turned up to his rally yet. Think he was due at 11am EST. Now nearly noon.0
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Yes, annoyingly. I suspect the Welsh in the less affluent areas will start to feel the effects of the loss of development money.HYUFD said:
An England (excluding London) and Wales and County Antrim project technically, as Wales and Antrim also voted Leave like EnglandScott_xP said:
Brexit is and always was a Little Englander project.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Cameron said it before the referendum and he was absolutely right.0 -
But the tough job will age him faster. Look what happened to the last President to actually pay attention.Philip_Thompson said:
This is what everyone said about Cameron though.DavidL said:
You think? I think it is as likely he won't serve the full 4 years. This is a seriously tough job and he is taking over in interesting times. He also has the serious disadvantage, compared with Trump, of actually giving a damn.rottenborough said:
I think it is highly likely.kle4 said:
I so want Biden to run again in 2024. Everyone, including probably him, are so certain he will be a one term president, that it will just be comedic for him to say, you know what, I think I'm doing a good job, I've got just as many marbles as I did in 2020, primary me if you want a go now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think we might need to start making allowances for the fact that a huge number of Trumpers/GOPers will be dead by 2024 as they view Covid-19 as hoax, engage in super spreader events and decline the vaccine.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Trump super spreader event playing 'In The Air Tonight'. It certainly is.
Even bigger Dem landslide in 2024 as Biden wins in places like Texas.
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I notice that the MAGAs never seem to be troubled by gainful employment, can turn up to berate a Senator, or attend a rally at the drop of a red cap.kle4 said:
Especially when it's not even one who seems to dislike Trump or think there are no concerns about the election. Just that the law is that Biden is now to be President.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:0 -
Perhaps, but all electric planes will take a bit longer to roll out. 😉kle4 said:
I suspect it is not so much the subject he is talking about as that another aspect of his portfolio, perhaps involving planes, is what people would prefer he talk about.Philip_Thompson said:
Ummm . . . yes.CarlottaVance said:Yes Mr Shapps! Finger on the pulse! That's what we want to hear about from the Transport Secretary! Electric Buses
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1346844653413425153?s=20
Electric buses is surely literally in the Transport Secretaries portfolio?
Complaining about that is like complaining when the Culture Secretary speaks about TV Programmes disclaimers on Netflix.
Schapps is a numpty for reasons unrelated to this - and I could understand complaining if this is what the Home Secretary was talking about - but Transport Secretary talking about buses really should be par for the course shouldn't it?1 -
Fascism with a good soundtrack.
The Boris Johnson school of timekeeping.OldKingCole said:Don't think Trump's turned up to his rally yet. Think he was due at 11am EST. Now nearly noon.
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Those people berating that senator represent a massive chunk of the republican party, if the polls are right. Massive.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
The notion that the old republican party could win the votes of those people is for the birds. Totally.0 -
I'm just thanking the heavens for whomever took the decision to ban firearms in Washington todayOldKingCole said:Don't think Trump's turned up to his rally yet. Think he was due at 11am EST. Now nearly noon.
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There is a lot of it about.tlg86 said:
Interesting, thanks. This bit stood out:CarlottaVance said:Why the French are reluctant vaxxers:
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/1/6/why-are-so-many-in-france-hesitant-to-take-the-covid-19-vaccine
In 1991, in France’s biggest public health scandal, the government was found to have knowingly administered transfusions with contaminated blood from people who were HIV positive to at least 1,200 haemophiliacs, which led to hundreds of deaths.
The French are certainly not alone in having suffered that scandal. But I've never heard anyone here connect that to vaccines. I think we're generally pretty trusting of government (even when we perhaps shouldn't be!), so hopefully should get most people vaccinated.
Mrs Foxy is surprised how many staff on covid ICU didn't want the vaccine. Some seriously crazy stuff on their WhatsApp group.0 -
The sub-thrd world electoral system W-A-Y predates Trump. 2000 and hanging chads, anyone?Pulpstar said:
That's almost entirely Trump's work, he's salted the earth for the GOP.contrarian said:
I repeat: An exit poll from Georgia for CNN showed 75% of repubs think the Presidential election was stolen. Those are voters who turned up for the run=offs. Among those who stayed away it is probably higher.Jonathan said:This Trump March/rally is seriously fucked up. Sorry about language, but it’s appropriate. Never seen anything like it. 🥲America.
Many millions of Americans think they have an illegitimate government and a sub third world electoral system.1 -
Dr. Foxy, that's alarming to hear.0
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CNN have zoomed out on the crowd, and it seems fairly small, thankfully.Floater said:
I'm just thanking the heavens for whomever took the decision to ban firearms in Washington todayOldKingCole said:Don't think Trump's turned up to his rally yet. Think he was due at 11am EST. Now nearly noon.
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Not really, it just needs the existing state to consent to a new state being created from part of its territory. It's happened several times before: Kentucky and West Virginia[1] from Virginia, and Maine from Massachusetts. Tennessee is often claimed to have been split from North Carolina, but the process was not quite the same as NC gave up its claim to what is now TN to the feds, who organized it as the Southwest Territory for a few years. Vermont is arguably a case too, as it was claimed by New York who dropped their claim in 1790 allowing it to be admitted the following year. Unlike Kentucky and Maine it had already organized itself into a de facto independent republic which was admitted as a state.Foxy said:
I think the rules for dividing states are much tougher than adding new ones.not_on_fire said:
Stand by for the great states of East and West DakotaMalmesbury said:
{Texas has entered the chat}kle4 said:
Split themselves into more states. The sky is the limit, or rather how small the stars will be in the flagTheScreamingEagles said:I was trying to compile this stat earlier.
https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1346834407626334209
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and you can't stake what you have already bet.kle4 said:
Sir, there is a minimum stake required to make a bet.OldKingCole said:Quote from Giuliani at the Trumps rally:
"I'm willing to stake my reputation on the fact that there is election fraud:"0 -
Exactly. He dropped her red lines and agreed a much easier deal to do. A piece of cake deal in fact. Then sold it as an against-the-odds triumph of hardball and negotiating panache. Pulled this trick twice. In 2019 with the WA. Last month with the FTA. The first won him an election and the power to do the 2nd. The gullibility of people is disappointing but, still, you have to say - what a player.Scott_xP said:1 -
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People can surprise. A lot of people really liked Corbyn, and they liked him a lot. And yet that same group, overall, supported Starmer withdrawing the whip, and not restoring it. He's still liked by a fair number, but he's a much reduced figure.contrarian said:
Those people berating that senator represent a massive chunk of the republican party, if the polls are right. Massive.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
The notion that the old republican party could win the votes of those people is for the birds. Totally.
I think Trump has a firmer hold on his audience than Corbyn had on his, and more opportunities to disrupt the establishment Republicans, if we'll call them that, through primaries and the like, but it doesn't mean it is impossible that his influence could wane as he loses his power.0 -
F8ck me considering how people want generally to get on with their lives, 56% is astonishingly low. Astonishingly low.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jeez
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Presumably flying will take longer than merely rolling...Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps, but all electric planes will take a bit longer to roll out. 😉kle4 said:
I suspect it is not so much the subject he is talking about as that another aspect of his portfolio, perhaps involving planes, is what people would prefer he talk about.Philip_Thompson said:
Ummm . . . yes.CarlottaVance said:Yes Mr Shapps! Finger on the pulse! That's what we want to hear about from the Transport Secretary! Electric Buses
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1346844653413425153?s=20
Electric buses is surely literally in the Transport Secretaries portfolio?
Complaining about that is like complaining when the Culture Secretary speaks about TV Programmes disclaimers on Netflix.
Schapps is a numpty for reasons unrelated to this - and I could understand complaining if this is what the Home Secretary was talking about - but Transport Secretary talking about buses really should be par for the course shouldn't it?0 -
We are completely subservient to our feudal English masters.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Little Wales too?Scott_xP said:
Brexit is and always was a Little Englander project.TheScreamingEagles said:
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Boris Johnson agreeing to put a border in the Irish Sea was to me, the one truly unexpected outturn from Brexit. I guess it's the Mad Man theory so beloved of Dominic Cummings. The whole point of Mad Man is that the other side is supposed to go "OMG! We can't have that. Let's give you what you want.". Instead of "Fine by us!"TheScreamingEagles said:4 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6wRKZFBFeQ&ab_channel=RightSideBroadcastingNetwork0 -
It's nice that the Trump children all seem so close with their father that they stump for him politically, but do they not have their own lives and interests? The one benefit to him not being president should be they no longer have to get involved in politics - it's not like they did much before.HYUFD said:2 -
Only 90% of Dems is more worrying!logical_song said:0 -
Has he flown to Scotland?OldKingCole said:Don't think Trump's turned up to his rally yet. Think he was due at 11am EST. Now nearly noon.
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Salt is good, you need it to live and they used to use it as currency, so they should thank him. Carthago delenda what now?Pulpstar said:
That's almost entirely Trump's work, he's salted the earth for the GOP.contrarian said:
I repeat: An exit poll from Georgia for CNN showed 75% of repubs think the Presidential election was stolen. Those are voters who turned up for the run=offs. Among those who stayed away it is probably higher.Jonathan said:This Trump March/rally is seriously fucked up. Sorry about language, but it’s appropriate. Never seen anything like it. 🥲America.
Many millions of Americans think they have an illegitimate government and a sub third world electoral system.0 -
Silver *shirts* would be more historical, though....williamglenn said:Party like it's 1789.
https://twitter.com/EggerDC/status/13468481475538698240 -
“Does that still matter in this country?”AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
He’s hit the nail on the head there.
Trumpism is a kind of post-religious cult.1 -
Donald has more flags than Boris, Nicola and Kier combined.0
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Funny if he's done the old dictator's trick of fleeing the country, right before the Army moves in.RochdalePioneers said:
Has he flown to Scotland?OldKingCole said:Don't think Trump's turned up to his rally yet. Think he was due at 11am EST. Now nearly noon.
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IF England can have West Bromwich West, then surely America can have West West Virginia!rcs1000 said:
(Shouldn't it be North East Dakota and North West Dakota... and ditto for the South)not_on_fire said:
Stand by for the great states of East and West DakotaMalmesbury said:
{Texas has entered the chat}kle4 said:
Split themselves into more states. The sky is the limit, or rather how small the stars will be in the flagTheScreamingEagles said:I was trying to compile this stat earlier.
https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1346834407626334209
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contrarian said:
I repeat: An exit poll from Georgia for CNN showed 75% of repubs think the Presidential election was stolen. Those are voters who turned up for the run=offs. Among those who stayed away it is probably higher.Jonathan said:This Trump March/rally is seriously fucked up. Sorry about language, but it’s appropriate. Never seen anything like it. 🥲America.
Many millions of Americans think they have an illegitimate government and a sub third world electoral system.
They're half right too.contrarian said:
I repeat: An exit poll from Georgia for CNN showed 75% of repubs think the Presidential election was stolen. Those are voters who turned up for the run=offs. Among those who stayed away it is probably higher.Jonathan said:This Trump March/rally is seriously fucked up. Sorry about language, but it’s appropriate. Never seen anything like it. 🥲America.
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Ok. Good call.HYUFD said:
Nokinabalu said:
You don't want a '£50 or quits' even if I slew it in your favour like last time?HYUFD said:
Once 100% of the Georgia votes are in and it is confirmed there will be no recount in the Ossoff and Perdue race, then I will pay up. Or if there is a recount once it is completed and if the Ossoff result is upheldkinabalu said:
It is a sign of blog celebrity. If a poster called "kuntibula" rocked up I'd be rather chuffed.HYUFD said:
Well I suppose you have to be famous enough to be worth having a parody or impersonator of you in the first placeIanB2 said:
You should take it as a compliment. Even Sean has to run his own parody accounts.HYUFD said:
I may sue for passing off as meFFUHD said:
It should be noted that the last time I flipped 3 tails in a row on a Wednesday when the President-elect's surname began with B, it was followed by a run of two heads and a tail.HYUFD said:
It should be noted that the last time a party lost the White House after only 1 term, when Carter lost in 1980, it took the Democrats 12 years until Bill Clinton in 1992 before they won the White House again.Peter_the_Punter said:
Trump is a cult.* His support will wane now but it won't readily transfer anywhere and certainly not to traditional Republicans. The GoP has a massive problem, very much of its own creation. It will do well to avoid a long period in the wilderness.HYUFD said:
I think even if Trump and Trump Jnr do not run in 2024 one of Pence or Cruz will be the GOP nominee, the GOP base are not going to pick an establishment and moderate 'RINO' as their nominee anytime soonkinabalu said:
I totally share your opinion on the damage done but I do not think Trump & Clan will be the ongoing political force that many fear (or hope if they're on the dark side). Soon he will out of the White House. He'll be an impeached and disgraced one term ex-president with big legal and money troubles who managed the remarkable negative feat of failing to win a 2nd term after just 4 years of his party in power and while he's at it losing both houses of Congress to the hated other.OllyT said:
In some cases you may be correct but I believe the GOP will be dancing to Trump's tune for the next 4 years.edmundintokyo said:
IDK, parties nearly always pick a moderate against an incumbent, not least because if the governing side isn't contested then politics enthusiasts vote in the opposition race, especially where there are open primaries. It's not clear that Trump will be willing and able to run, and if he's not then it's not clear that anybody similar can pull off what he did.OllyT said:
The GOP have got themselves into a dire position. Many of them know that the Trump core are batshit crazy / QAnon types but there are too many of them to ignore so they keep quiet because they are scared of them.another_richard said:So does the GOP fall into civil war or does it reorganise and retake the House in 2022 ?
I don't see an easy path for any moderately sane Republican to win a GOP Primary. That's why we still have 10 GOP Senators about to humiliate themselves by still pretending Trump won the election.
Trump is a malign, vindictive and bullying individual who will take great pleasure in trying to destroy any Republican who has displeased him. The right really have taken the US into a very dark place and now the genii is out of the bottle it's not going to be easy to put it back.
From 20 Jan his world will shrink beyond recognition. The difference between being the American president and not being the American president is almost as stark as that between being dead or alive. He'll lose all the trappings of that great office - the most important of which was to have his bullshit piped into people's heads 24/7. Supporters will drift away, not to be replaced by new ones. It will be one way traffic. Drip drip drip until what's left is something not to be taken seriously. He might even realize this himself before too long and concentrate just on cashflow and staying out of jail. Perhaps a deal? Not sure on that one. We'll see.
But Donald Trump the fearsome politician is over. No doubt there will be other grisly characters (the lizard Ted Cruz?) who will battle to own the MAGA space in the GOP, and one will prevail and be a live contender for the 24 nomination, but that person will not be called Trump and they won't be able to recreate what he did in 15/16 because that stunning achievement owed so much to his personal brand and persona. So they won't win the nomination. The Republican Party might look beyond the pale now but my money is on them detoxifying. Looking forward to the opening of the WH24 betting.
* For the avoidance of doubt this is not a typo.
Which is not encouraging for the GOP, at least at the Presidential level
Portentous.
Now then, you're £25 in hock to me due to Georgia.
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Mic fail. 😂1
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Also it wasn't mocked for 200 deaths, it was the 3000 daily deaths slide...which was later removed as they accepted it was incorrect...the error bars were nonsense, as they played fast and loose taking an earlier model and presented it as prediction starting from the next day, which meant it had these huge error bars (as it was based on a model that had spat out the prediction weeks before, and was wrong).Philip_Thompson said:
The early slide was the 50k recorded cases a day by mid November, which was also wrong.
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I know I'm not on it, because I have consistently said on here since 2016 there's no way I could have voted for Trump.kinabalu said:
It's Sub Judice for obvious reasons. Although I can probably risk disclosing that you are one of those named. Can't see you suing.MrEd said:
Bet you are on the list @MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark said:
I'm betting it includes those so secret, they have continuously said they wouldn't have voted for Trump in 2016 or 2020.... But clearly, they didn't mean it.kinabalu said:
I have a list of PBers who were either overtly or secretly rooting for Trump to beat Biden.Benpointer said:
Not by a long chalk is @Philip_Thompson 'the most Trumpian poster in here'.Nigel_Foremain said:
You fibber, you are the most Trumpian poster on here. I guess you hope that saying you are anti-Trump makes you sound a little more human. Trump is a far right populist and so are you. If you were an American you would be wearing the hat and attending all his rallies and claiming the election was a fraud. You never have any real evidence for your stated views just right wing hunches, just like him. You are probably one of Donald Trump's love childrenPhilip_Thompson said:
Well I'm a right winger who thinks Ronald Reagan was America's best postwar POTUS but I find Trump revolting and am glad the Democrats won.contrarian said:
Wow, another leftist promising conservatives they still have a chance if only they select a candidate the left approves of.Alistair said:I see we are back with the "Trump who got 2 of the 3 lowest Republican votes shares this millennium" is wildly popular line of thinking.
I guess we can expect a great deal of this over the next two years.
Maybe right wingers finding Trump repellant should be taken seriously? Just an idea.
I disagree with what PT says but you need to look elsewhere for PB Trump supporters. It isn't hard.
There are 12 names on it. The Dirty Dozen.
Or either of his opponents.
Hillary was a terrible candidate. Dire.Thankfully the title of first woment President wasn't sullied by having her attached to that bit of history.
And "Not being Trump" wouldn't have been enough reason for me to vote for Biden.
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I'm thinking we are likely to go over 2,000 deaths/day this month. Others agree?0
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The nice thing about an ultrawide monitor is I can have Trump on one half and CNN on the other0
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Is this the bit where Trump tells the crowd to storm Congress and shoot the Democrats?0
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With Rudi must be specific WHICH divorce you are talking about. Same as when referring to PM's unacknowledged child.MrEd said:
You see @TSE, there is true inclusivity.TheScreamingEagles said:I love the fact the MAGAs and Rudi love a seminal gay anthem
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1346845106310156290
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He really didn'tping said:
“Does that still matter in this country?”AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
He’s hit the nail on the head there.
Trumpism is a kind of post-religious cult.
The American system has given to their citizens, by common consent even on here, an electoral system that to be called third world is a massive insult to the third world.
The courts in almost every case would not let Trump even set out the weak evidence he did have.
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Was it here a week or two back before the $600 stimulus checks finally passed that someone posted a tweet reporting a Trumpist bemoaning that he couldn't afford to go to DC to protest on the 6th without the money?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I notice that the MAGAs never seem to be troubled by gainful employment, can turn up to berate a Senator, or attend a rally at the drop of a red cap.kle4 said:
Especially when it's not even one who seems to dislike Trump or think there are no concerns about the election. Just that the law is that Biden is now to be President.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:1 -
Green Street Green Road!SeaShantyIrish2 said:
IF England can have West Bromwich West, then surely America can have West West Virginia!rcs1000 said:
(Shouldn't it be North East Dakota and North West Dakota... and ditto for the South)not_on_fire said:
Stand by for the great states of East and West DakotaMalmesbury said:
{Texas has entered the chat}kle4 said:
Split themselves into more states. The sky is the limit, or rather how small the stars will be in the flagTheScreamingEagles said:I was trying to compile this stat earlier.
https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1346834407626334209
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I think it will depend on his differential numbers cf Kamala and his health. If it looks like he has the better chance AND he's fit, I would expect him to run. He could be someone who is prepared to voluntarily relinquish great power but it would be unusual. His odds will be interesting when the WH24 market forms.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I genuinely think he might if he has quite good numbers and midterms, is enjoying life, and feels okay in himself. I think he's 80-90% in himself that he's run his last race, but I don't think he's totally closed it off.kle4 said:
I so want Biden to run again in 2024. Everyone, including probably him, are so certain he will be a one term president, that it will just be comedic for him to say, you know what, I think I'm doing a good job, I've got just as many marbles as I did in 2020, primary me if you want a go now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think we might need to start making allowances for the fact that a huge number of Trumpers/GOPers will be dead by 2024 as they view Covid-19 as hoax, engage in super spreader events and decline the vaccine.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Trump super spreader event playing 'In The Air Tonight'. It certainly is.
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May had the wrong red line. Boris fixed it.kinabalu said:
Exactly. He dropped her red lines and agreed a much easier deal to do. A piece of cake deal in fact. Then sold it as an against-the-odds triumph of hardball and negotiating panache. Pulled this trick twice. In 2019 with the WA. Last month with the FTA. The first won him an election and the power to do the 2nd. The gullibility of people is disappointing but, still, you have to say - what a player.Scott_xP said:
May's priority was no distinction between England and GB, despite the fact that Stormont exists.
Boris's priority was for GB to be free from Europe - and that Stormont must control whether NI continues under its arrangements.
If it was so "easy" to negotiate Stormont being able to unilaterally end NI's special arrangements then why didn't May negotiate that? Throughout May's tenure the EU were explicit there must never be a unilateral end to the backstop as a backstop with a way out is not a backstop in their eyes. That changed when Boris negotiated with them.0 -
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The courts would let Trump set out evidence.contrarian said:
He really didn'tping said:
“Does that still matter in this country?”AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
He’s hit the nail on the head there.
Trumpism is a kind of post-religious cult.
The American system has given to their citizens, by common consent even on here, an electoral system that to be called third world is a massive insult to the third world.
The courts in almost every case would not let Trump even set out the weak evidence he did have.
Why would Americans have any confidence in any of their institutions now?
The problem was he didn't have any. If he'd set any out it would have been in the submission - you need to include evidence in your submission.4 -
This is utterly grim reading. NHS capacity is overtopped, at least in this hospital, and doctors clearly making life and death decisions they shouldn't (and shouldn't have to) take.
https://unherd.com/2021/01/inside-the-covid-ward/0 -
Eh? You generally have to provide enough to justify it being looked into so there is a chance of success, surely? It's not an unreasonable bar to have - if a case is without merit it doesn't require further attention.contrarian said:
The courts in almost every case would not let Trump even set out the weak evidence he did have.ping said:
“Does that still matter in this country?”AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
He’s hit the nail on the head there.
Trumpism is a kind of post-religious cult.
If it had happened once or twice that might be of concern, but as it happened dozens upon dozens of times from courts up and down the land, I think the cases got thoroughly tested.
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