... Or do you not realise that the ownership of Anglican church buildings is vested in the residents of he parish - weirdly, whether they are Anglicans or not?
Interesting, I didn't know that. So we can sell them off and divvi up the proceeds?
Guido is talking rubbish, the Church of England was created as a breakaway from the Catholic Church by Henry VIII so by definition it has to be the established Church with the monarch as its head otherwise as it is still a 'holy Catholic and apostolic church' it would effectively revert to its Supreme Head being the Pope
Er...you mean like the Methodist church?
The Methodist church is non conformist, not the established church.
The Queen is also not Supreme Governor of the Methodist Church
I think you will find the Methodist Church in England (not in Wales where it was different) was formed by a breakaway from the Church of England in the late eighteenth century.
I would also point out the Church of Ireland and Church in Wales are both disestablished (in 1869 and 1920 respectively) and while neither have the Queen as Supreme Governor neither seem to have resumed papal authority.
That does not change its Head is not the monarch, just as once the Church of England left the Catholic Church its head is no longer the Pope.
The Church of Ireland represents the Republic of Ireland too and the Church of Wales is closer to the Methodist Church than the Church of England
But my point is, removing the queen as SG would not make it catholic again. Which, if I have understood correctly, was your original claim.
It would, as the Church of Ireland and Church of Wales were effectively created as new Churches within the Anglican umbrella, the Church of England though is by its very foundation stone based on the monarch as its Supreme Governor and being the established church, if that is removed it is no longer the Church of England and you either create a new Anglican church to replace it or it reverts to the supremacy of Rome
What's wrong with appointing Justin + Cantuar as the Suipreme Governor, or a rotating convener Moderator-style? Why does it have to be the Queen (in principle) or Boris Johnson (in reality)? Might get away from Henry VIII's sex life if you do.
In practice, there would be two new churches in England if the Anglican Church were disestablished - the provinces of Canterbury and York.
But I imagine everyone would continue to refer loosely to ‘the church of England’.
Edit - in fact, following reforms under Brown Johnson has very few powers over the Church now, although I think he’s still ex officio a member of the Church Commissioners
... Or do you not realise that the ownership of Anglican church buildings is vested in the residents of he parish - weirdly, whether they are Anglicans or not?
Interesting, I didn't know that. So we can sell them off and divvi up the proceeds?
Carpetbagging for the 2020s?
Why not? The monasteries offer a precedent ((c) Henry VIII).
... Or do you not realise that the ownership of Anglican church buildings is vested in the residents of he parish - weirdly, whether they are Anglicans or not?
Interesting, I didn't know that. So we can sell them off and divvi up the proceeds?
No as that requires a Faculty under General Synod rules
... Or do you not realise that the ownership of Anglican church buildings is vested in the residents of he parish - weirdly, whether they are Anglicans or not?
Interesting, I didn't know that. So we can sell them off and divvi up the proceeds?
No as that requires a Faculty under General Synod rules
But that would not work as there could be no appeal with no head of the Church.
It's almost like people change their behaviour in response to health crises.
Arizona and Georgia cases are heading back up again!
Yes, you get natural waves.
And it's one compounded by the fact that there's a long lag between infe ction and numbers being recorded. (And, of course, the initial doublings don't look so big, it's only when the numbers have got to a certain level that people freak out.)
So, the numbers of infections are low, the hospitals are empty, people relax and go out. Cases don't appear to be rising, so they tell themselves that it's all OK.
People socialise.
Infections rise.
Suddenly cases are rising and hospitals start getting full again.
And people lock themselves down again.
Rinse and repeat.
This is why I think people sometimes make too much of the fact that cases and hospital admissions differ in different parts of the country. This is a small country and the virus, once it starts to spread, moves fast. You can go from a "Cornwall" to a "Manchester" in a short period of time. So the simpler national approach perhaps makes more sense than what we're trying to do. Especially since we're making a hash of it.
... Or do you not realise that the ownership of Anglican church buildings is vested in the residents of he parish - weirdly, whether they are Anglicans or not?
Interesting, I didn't know that. So we can sell them off and divvi up the proceeds?
It’s not as simple as that. Technically the fee simple of the title is in abeyance, as it was never properly revested in anyone or resumed by the monarch. However, that being the case the Church of England holds that they are for the benefit of, and therefore owned by, the whole parish.
This came up a few years ago when there was a move to transfer the title from PCCs to diocese and found they couldn’t as the PCC owned the contents, but only managed the building,
Guido is talking rubbish, the Church of England was created as a breakaway from the Catholic Church by Henry VIII so by definition it has to be the established Church with the monarch as its head otherwise as it is still a 'holy Catholic and apostolic church' it would effectively revert to its Supreme Head being the Pope
Er...you mean like the Methodist church?
The Methodist church is non conformist, not the established church.
The Queen is also not Supreme Governor of the Methodist Church
I think you will find the Methodist Church in England (not in Wales where it was different) was formed by a breakaway from the Church of England in the late eighteenth century.
I would also point out the Church of Ireland and Church in Wales are both disestablished (in 1869 and 1920 respectively) and while neither have the Queen as Supreme Governor neither seem to have resumed papal authority.
That does not change its Head is not the monarch, just as once the Church of England left the Catholic Church its head is no longer the Pope.
The Church of Ireland represents the Republic of Ireland too and the Church of Wales is closer to the Methodist Church than the Church of England
But my point is, removing the queen as SG would not make it catholic again. Which, if I have understood correctly, was your original claim.
It would, as the Church of Ireland and Church of Wales were effectively created as new Churches within the Anglican umbrella, the Church of England though is by its very foundation stone based on the monarch as its Supreme Governor and being the established church, if that is removed it is no longer the Church of England and you either create a new Anglican church to replace it or it reverts to the supremacy of Rome
What's wrong with appointing Justin + Cantuar as the Suipreme Governor, or a rotating convener Moderator-style? Why does it have to be the Queen (in principle) or Boris Johnson (in reality)? Might get away from Henry VIII's sex life if you do.
As it would cease to be the Church of England that is why, the C of E's foundation stone was as the established church with the monarch as Supreme Governor, without that a new successor Anglican Church would have to be created or it would revert to its Supreme Head being the Pope
So basically Henry VIII's sex life is the really, really important thing?
This is utterly mindblowing from a Scottish perspective, where the entire trend of Scottish history was to keep kings' and lairds' paws off the kirk, which was guaranteed in the Treaty of Union.
I'd like to see the court cases arising from yoiur assertion that the C of E woul;d revert to the Papacy, in view of what ydoethur says - make the rows between the various Presbyterian splits as to who got what look like an aquarium of kissing gourami by comparison.
Given there are 841,053 Catholics in Scotland, a large number of whom vote SNP in the central belt, I would not be so dismissive of them
Since the founding of PB back in 2004, it has been common consent that Andy Burnham hasn't been very good.
It says a lot that he makes Boris Johnson look like a chump, and Burnham the competent one, looking out for the voters.
Actually, it hasn't been. Granted, he didn't stand out in the Blair/Brown/Miliband years and he made a hash of the 2015 leadership election which he should have won. However, he has certainly shone ever since being elected to the GM Metro Mayor role, at a time when Johnson was still a sideshow act and long before Covid came on the scene.
The man was a populist before it was popular. Observe Hillsborough.
Not a fan of Andy Burnham in general, but every fan of Liverpool FC can and should thank him for his efforts on the Hillsborough enquiry.
... Or do you not realise that the ownership of Anglican church buildings is vested in the residents of he parish - weirdly, whether they are Anglicans or not?
Interesting, I didn't know that. So we can sell them off and divvi up the proceeds?
No as that requires a Faculty under General Synod rules
But that would not work as there could be no appeal with no head of the Church.
There would also be no Church of England and no Church of England Parish, the Church ownership would either need to be replaced by a new Anglican Church or appeal would revert to and lie with the Pope
Guido is talking rubbish, the Church of England was created as a breakaway from the Catholic Church by Henry VIII so by definition it has to be the established Church with the monarch as its head otherwise as it is still a 'holy Catholic and apostolic church' it would effectively revert to its Supreme Head being the Pope
Er...you mean like the Methodist church?
The Methodist church is non conformist, not the established church.
The Queen is also not Supreme Governor of the Methodist Church
I think you will find the Methodist Church in England (not in Wales where it was different) was formed by a breakaway from the Church of England in the late eighteenth century.
I would also point out the Church of Ireland and Church in Wales are both disestablished (in 1869 and 1920 respectively) and while neither have the Queen as Supreme Governor neither seem to have resumed papal authority.
That does not change its Head is not the monarch, just as once the Church of England left the Catholic Church its head is no longer the Pope.
The Church of Ireland represents the Republic of Ireland too and the Church of Wales is closer to the Methodist Church than the Church of England
But my point is, removing the queen as SG would not make it catholic again. Which, if I have understood correctly, was your original claim.
It would, as the Church of Ireland and Church of Wales were effectively created as new Churches within the Anglican umbrella, the Church of England though is by its very foundation stone based on the monarch as its Supreme Governor and being the established church, if that is removed it is no longer the Church of England and you either create a new Anglican church to replace it or it reverts to the supremacy of Rome
What's wrong with appointing Justin + Cantuar as the Suipreme Governor, or a rotating convener Moderator-style? Why does it have to be the Queen (in principle) or Boris Johnson (in reality)? Might get away from Henry VIII's sex life if you do.
As it would cease to be the Church of England that is why, the C of E's foundation stone was as the established church with the monarch as Supreme Governor, without that a new successor Anglican Church would have to be created or it would revert to its Supreme Head being the Pope
So basically Henry VIII's sex life is the really, really important thing?
This is utterly mindblowing from a Scottish perspective, where the entire trend of Scottish history was to keep kings' and lairds' paws off the kirk, which was guaranteed in the Treaty of Union.
I'd like to see the court cases arising from yoiur assertion that the C of E woul;d revert to the Papacy, in view of what ydoethur says - make the rows between the various Presbyterian splits as to who got what look like an aquarium of kissing gourami by comparison.
Given there are 841,053 Catholics in Scotland, a large number of whom vote SNP in the central belt, I would not be so dismissive of them
I'm talking about the C of E in England, and the property disputes that would arise if anyo9ne tried to allocate the land and buildings, from experience here in Scotland with analogous mergers and simultaneous splits. I haven't mentioned RCs in Scotland at all. Kings and lairds don't have their paws on that particular kirk at all, anyway, so your insinuation is not only meaniungless but in the wrong direction.
A common feature of the negotiations with both GM pols and EU is that this government wants the other side to flounce so they can crash the talks and blame the other side.
Cases look terrible, though was @MaxPB's hypothesis proven correct?
Err.... Murder Tuesday, remember. Just like the last 6 months.....
Something a bit strange in the figures today though. The turnaround times for tests seems to have improved significantly - normally in England there are almost non processed within 24-48 hours (in Northern Ireland almost all are).
That's good news if the backlog of cases is getting cleared. Makes the specimen date figures more important.
Cases look terrible, though was @MaxPB's hypothesis proven correct?
Err.... Murder Tuesday, remember. Just like the last 6 months.....
Something a bit strange in the figures today though. The turnaround times for tests seems to have improved significantly - normally in England there are almost non processed within 24-48 hours (in Northern Ireland almost all are).
The reason for that is a major increase in testing capacity over the past few weeks. As load on the labs drops, the through put speeds up. This is a classic in OR terms - no system (in general) works well ay 100% utilisation.
If I could get a bit more primary data, I could plot you lots of graphs to work out optimum operating levels etc.
Good header, an important point to make. Another thing the chart makes clear is, remarkably, Biden's favourables have improved as the campaign has gone on.
She'd never admit it, but this has to be hurting Hillary Clinton a little bit.
Biden and Trump tied in Georgia in the latest NYT poll. Also a tie in both senate races
I think Emerson (another A rated pollster) had it much the same yesterday as well. It's incredible to see places like Georgia and to a lesser degree Texas in play, if Trump is struggling there I still find it hard to see him wining the rust belt states he did in 2016.
Good header, an important point to make. Another thing the chart makes clear is, remarkably, Biden's favourables have improved as the campaign has gone on.
She'd never admit it, but this has to be hurting Hillary Clinton a little bit.
Right or wrongs of the government's reaction, on a practical political level it seems like Burnham went for a big bluff that the highly centralised UK state would not dare act in a highly centralised way and misjudged that considerably.
Good header, an important point to make. Another thing the chart makes clear is, remarkably, Biden's favourables have improved as the campaign has gone on.
She'd never admit it, but this has to be hurting Hillary Clinton a little bit.
It was well timed, funny but, yes, cruel. Within limits I'd hope politicians can accept a certain level of invective from their opponents, especially in the bear pit of the Commons, without losing respect or or civility with one another generally. That's why those who act like the other side of mainstream debate are beyond the pale are so annoying.
While I agree that HMG should not be writing out cheques for a six month lockdown, this is a PR disaster for Boris and when you add in the refusal to grant free school meals for children during the holidays as requested by Marcus Rashford you do really have to wonder if they are being coached by Gérard Ratner
I would be very surprised if the polls do not show a marked crossover
No 10 needs a new PR representative, step forward Allegra
Scottish government has put up money to continue free school meals during holidays until after Easter next year
LBC reporting that the £60m offered to Greater Manchester earlier has been withdrawn.
Doesn't seem to make much sense. Offers were surely, officially, made taking into account what government thought was needed, a need presumably still in place regardless of discussions with local politicos.
While I agree that HMG should not be writing out cheques for a six month lockdown, this is a PR disaster for Boris and when you add in the refusal to grant free school meals for children during the holidays as requested by Marcus Rashford you do really have to wonder if they are being coached by Gérard Ratner
I would be very surprised if the polls do not show a marked crossover
No 10 needs a new PR representative, step forward Allegra
Scottish government has put up money to continue free school meals during holidays until after Easter next year
Do your "R" calculations account for test increases, or can't they? They just have to assume that testing is picking up all cases?
They don't and unfortunately there's no way to do it. The R calculation uses known positive cases rather than estimated positives such as the ONS or REACH studies, part of the issue with those is that they are historical. The case data gives a fairly good picture of an approximation of the R about a 10 days ago (infection to symptoms + swab to result), the ONS is the R from about 17 days ago and hospital data is about 20 days old compared to infections. It's imperfect but the best we have without access to better data or better testing.
Do your "R" calculations account for test increases, or can't they? They just have to assume that testing is picking up all cases?
No test system, anywhere, gets close to picking up all the cases.
In general, test increases are not driving numbers up at the moment - there is quite bit of spare capacity in the test system.... ~100K today
No i know that the system can't pick up all the cases. What i mean is that the R formula assumes they do. Or at least they pick up a consistent percentage of all cases. Also, if tests are being processed quicker (as i observed quite a dramatic acceleration in today's figures) this will have an impact on the R numbers presumably. Because results that would have been filled in over the next couple of days are suddenly filled in now. Also only has a marginal impact, obviously.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
Also just as well for you most Christians are rather more tolerant of disrespectful treatment of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary than the most hardline Muslims are of disrespectful treatment of the Prophet Muhammad
All of this could have been avoided: Follow the science Five Tiers (Low / Medium / High / Very High / Extremely High) Each tier has a specified set of rules that Do Not Change Government support for business and workers announced centrally at a VIABLE level Impose the tiers as demanded by the science by ringing the area and informing them
Its not rocket science.
I pointed out when they announced variable T3 it was going to be a disaster. Not only will they get local resistance to one measure or anit5, but it will delay the implementation.
They really are a bunch of useless ham fisted clowns
Do your "R" calculations account for test increases, or can't they? They just have to assume that testing is picking up all cases?
No test system, anywhere, gets close to picking up all the cases.
In general, test increases are not driving numbers up at the moment - there is quite bit of spare capacity in the test system.... ~100K today
No i know that the system can't pick up all the cases. What i mean is that the R formula assumes they do. Or at least they pick up a consistent percentage of all cases.
Well, I think the odds of the Blue Wall collapsing and going back to Labour for another generation are increasing
Manchester is not Red Wall, though, is it? Neither is Liverpool. Both are solid Labour, like London. The government's targeting is spot on so far. The real trouble will come if they treat the smaller towns that turned Blue the same way. I doubt they will.
But what this all puts to bed for all time is the notion that Johnson and Cummings have any interest in uniting the country. They actually need it as divided as possible and will govern in a way to ensure that it is.
But Greater Manchester is more than just Manchester - it does include some red wall seats in places like Bury and Bolton.
Cases look terrible, though was @MaxPB's hypothesis proven correct?
Err.... Murder Tuesday, remember. Just like the last 6 months.....
Something a bit strange in the figures today though. The turnaround times for tests seems to have improved significantly - normally in England there are almost non processed within 24-48 hours (in Northern Ireland almost all are).
They will be binning the Scottish ones to try and make England look better, same as at the weekend.
A common feature of the negotiations with both GM pols and EU is that this government wants the other side to flounce so they can crash the talks and blame the other side.
I detect Game Theory.
Yes. Mature, isn't it? Just what you look for in a government tackling a crisis like this.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
Also just as well for you most Christians are rather more tolerant of disrespectful treatment of Jesus Christ than the most hardline Muslims are of disrespectful treatment of the Prophet Muhammad
Yes, the one thing PBers have learned over the years is that I'm a very devout Muslim, who always adheres to the faith, and has never criticised it.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
Also just as well for you most Christians are rather more tolerant of disrespectful treatment of Jesus Christ than the most hardline Muslims are of disrespectful treatment of the Prophet Muhammad
Yes, the one thing PBers have learned over the years is that I'm a very devout Muslim, who always adheres to the faith, and has never criticised it.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
Also just as well for you most Christians are rather more tolerant of disrespectful treatment of Jesus Christ than the most hardline Muslims are of disrespectful treatment of the Prophet Muhammad
Yes, the one thing PBers have learned over the years is that I'm a very devout Muslim, who always adheres to the faith, and has never criticised it.
Although you have just literally slagged off the mother of one of its four key prophets.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
I recently read a powerful quote from Frederick the Great describing it as 'an old metaphysical fiction, stuffed with miracles,contraditions abd absurdities, which was spawned in the fevered imaginations of the Oritentals and then spread to our Europe, where some fanatics espoused it, some intriguers pretended to be convinced by it and some imbeciles actually believed it'.
And if you cannot trust the word of an 18th century Prussian autocrat, who can you trust?
LBC reporting that the £60m offered to Greater Manchester earlier has been withdrawn.
Doesn't seem to make much sense. Offers were surely, officially, made taking into account what government thought was needed, a need presumably still in place regardless of discussions with local politicos.
At some point they have to stop the willy waving, if Bozo gave in on this there would be a stampede to get ever increasing amounts.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
Also just as well for you most Christians are rather more tolerant of disrespectful treatment of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary than the most hardline Muslims are of disrespectful treatment of the Prophet Muhammad
Good for them.
I always say, Christians have had to endure and thrive far far worse situations than being made fun of, so I think the faith can take it.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
Also just as well for you most Christians are rather more tolerant of disrespectful treatment of Jesus Christ than the most hardline Muslims are of disrespectful treatment of the Prophet Muhammad
Yes, the one thing PBers have learned over the years is that I'm a very devout Muslim, who always adheres to the faith, and has never criticised it.
Although you have just literally slagged off the mother of one of its four key prophets.
Honestly if you ignore my constant whoring and gambling, or the fact I don't pray five times a day, heck I'd be amazed if I prayed five times in the last four years then I'm a very good Muslim.
Well, I think the odds of the Blue Wall collapsing and going back to Labour for another generation are increasing
Manchester is not Red Wall, though, is it? Neither is Liverpool. Both are solid Labour, like London. The government's targeting is spot on so far. The real trouble will come if they treat the smaller towns that turned Blue the same way. I doubt they will.
But what this all puts to bed for all time is the notion that Johnson and Cummings have any interest in uniting the country. They actually need it as divided as possible and will govern in a way to ensure that it is.
But Greater Manchester is more than just Manchester - it does include some red wall seats in places like Bury and Bolton.
And don't forget Leigh.
I wonder WTF Andy Burnham thinks about the Tories holding Leigh. I still can't wrap my head around Leigh being Tory.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Let me guess, this is *not* the first in a series of amusing but blasphemous cartoons about the founders of the various religions of the Peoples of the Book.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Let me guess, this is *not* the first in a series of amusing but blasphemous cartoons about the founders of the various religions of the Peoples of the Book.
Well it was, then Len McCluskey started posting cartoons about the Jews and we had to end the conversation.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
Also just as well for you most Christians are rather more tolerant of disrespectful treatment of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary than the most hardline Muslims are of disrespectful treatment of the Prophet Muhammad
... and as for my religion (neither of the above). We demonstrate our peaceful, ecumenical, love for our fellows - we will forgive you with more megatons than anyone else.
I can never understand how the religious faithful get offended: surely the eternal damnation that they know the blasphemers will soon be be suffering is enough in itself to keep them quietly smug and contented.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
Also just as well for you most Christians are rather more tolerant of disrespectful treatment of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary than the most hardline Muslims are of disrespectful treatment of the Prophet Muhammad
... and as for my religion (neither of the above). We demonstrate our peaceful, ecumenical, love for our fellows - we will forgive you with more megatons than anyone else.
Any hints from party affiliations of how many Republicans may be switching straight to Biden? I suppose where they are they are more likely to be found among the early voters (both because it might indicate taking Covid more seriously, and also they may want to get in there early in case something tempts them to change their mind.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
Also just as well for you most Christians are rather more tolerant of disrespectful treatment of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary than the most hardline Muslims are of disrespectful treatment of the Prophet Muhammad
... and as for my religion (neither of the above). We demonstrate our peaceful, ecumenical, love for our fellows - we will forgive you with more megatons than anyone else.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
Also just as well for you most Christians are rather more tolerant of disrespectful treatment of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary than the most hardline Muslims are of disrespectful treatment of the Prophet Muhammad
... and as for my religion (neither of the above). We demonstrate our peaceful, ecumenical, love for our fellows - we will forgive you with more megatons than anyone else.
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
Also just as well for you most Christians are rather more tolerant of disrespectful treatment of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary than the most hardline Muslims are of disrespectful treatment of the Prophet Muhammad
... and as for my religion (neither of the above). We demonstrate our peaceful, ecumenical, love for our fellows - we will forgive you with more megatons than anyone else.
Never had you down as a Jedi.
The Jedi were a bunch of slavers...
Any statues?
There were plenty in the Jedi Temple, I suspect they were destroyed once the Empire took control.
Well, I think the odds of the Blue Wall collapsing and going back to Labour for another generation are increasing
Manchester is not Red Wall, though, is it? Neither is Liverpool. Both are solid Labour, like London. The government's targeting is spot on so far. The real trouble will come if they treat the smaller towns that turned Blue the same way. I doubt they will.
But what this all puts to bed for all time is the notion that Johnson and Cummings have any interest in uniting the country. They actually need it as divided as possible and will govern in a way to ensure that it is.
But Greater Manchester is more than just Manchester - it does include some red wall seats in places like Bury and Bolton.
Only if you define Red Wall purely as places which went Labour to Tory last time. The Bury seats and Bolton West are classic marginals. Bury S in particular is a bellwether. Voted for the election winner since foundation in 1983 except 2017 when Labour won without even targeting it. As @Philip_Thompson points out Leigh is the only real one on a tighter definition (been Labour for living memory).
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
Also just as well for you most Christians are rather more tolerant of disrespectful treatment of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary than the most hardline Muslims are of disrespectful treatment of the Prophet Muhammad
Allah has anointed me to be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.
So when can I take up the job?
Would you do something crazy. Like order Ribena and pizza with pineapple to be served at communion?
Nah, I'd keep the bread and wine, and introduce a third element.
Thank goodness blasphemous libel isn't a thing.
Indeed, lucky for me that Christianity is just one woman's lie about adultery that got way out of hand.
Also just as well for you most Christians are rather more tolerant of disrespectful treatment of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary than the most hardline Muslims are of disrespectful treatment of the Prophet Muhammad
... and as for my religion (neither of the above). We demonstrate our peaceful, ecumenical, love for our fellows - we will forgive you with more megatons than anyone else.
I can never understand how the religious faithful get offended: surely the eternal damnation that they know the blasphemers will soon be be suffering is enough in itself to keep them quietly smug and contented.
The bit I never understand is this - in the Abrahamic religions, God is utterly all powerful. He constructed the universe. How do you offend a being like that, exactly? Let alone attack him....
Not like the Greek Gods who were just Homelander with better press, for the most part.
What's the money actually for? Presumably this isn't individual support for workers or businesses, but a bung to City Hall Manchester.
Mostly workers, it is designed to ensure there's a decent furlough scheme.
So if the govt agreed, everyone else would say "Why can't we have that? Why is Manchester special?"
Manchester is special, because it is in the North, where all the good stuff is happening.
It's a fraction of the money, the billions in fact the government happily spends on Londoners, like Crossrail.
The safety of Northerners is worth less in the eyes of Boris Johnson than the cost of making commuting easier for Southern jessies.
If the gap of £5m is so tiny then the criticism of the failure to agree applies equally to both sides in the negotiation. Why on earth is Burnham risking losing out more than £5m by wanting more than the offer? it is just as good a question as the questions asked of government.
Maybe the real divide is a bigger issue somewhere.
The inference has been the government up until after they pulled out of talks would always pay the figure they had offered.
The Lancashire council leader had said last week that they only accepted tier 3 as otherwise the funding would be zero.
Publicly agree with Johnson if your local citizens are to get their share of public money. Disagree and their share goes somewhere else.
When was the last time we had a more perverse government?
If true, the government may be legally vulnerable were a challenge to be brought.
Into the final fortnight of the US Presidential campaign we go and every poll is minutely over-analysed to see what is or may be happening.
An inference of polls this evening but confirming Florida, Georgia and Ohio are all TCTC and suggesting North Carolina remains very close though with advantage Biden.
Looking further afield, Biden up 49-44 in Minnesota which would be unremarkable and fit the narrative of a 2% national swing.
Two polls from the reddest of Red states - in Arkansas which Trump won by 27 in 2016, a poll puts Trump ahead 58-34 so a tiny movement from 2016 and it looks as those someone touted for the 2024 GOP nomination, Tom Cotton, will be easily returned
Conflicting national polls - the daily IBD/TIPP poll has Biden ahead 48-46 which is the closest it's been for some time but a Siena poll for the New York Times has Biden ahead 50-41
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I wonder if the ban on football fans is to do with Marcus Rashford continually embarrassing the government?
This came up a few years ago when there was a move to transfer the title from PCCs to diocese and found they couldn’t as the PCC owned the contents, but only managed the building,
So when can I take up the job?
You have enough to deal with with the Sunni and Shia division anyway
I detect Game Theory.
That would be so funny.
If I could get a bit more primary data, I could plot you lots of graphs to work out optimum operating levels etc.
You don't get to be be president without some ruthlessness even if you are a nice guy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-16181442
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1318583459460337665?s=20
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1318573921512415234?s=20
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1318573194723397637?s=20
In general, test increases are not driving numbers up at the moment - there is quite bit of spare capacity in the test system.... ~100K today
And if you cannot trust the word of an 18th century Prussian autocrat, who can you trust?
I always say, Christians have had to endure and thrive far far worse situations than being made fun of, so I think the faith can take it.
I wonder WTF Andy Burnham thinks about the Tories holding Leigh. I still can't wrap my head around Leigh being Tory.
ONS estimates, with the actual number of cases found by testing to compare
The next graph shows the percentage of the ONS estimated infections found by testing
Biden 50
Trump 47
Those who’ve voted already .
Biden 78
Trump 19
Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism older than that.
Sikhism is comparatively modern.
That leaves Islam as the medieval option.
The Bury seats and Bolton West are classic marginals. Bury S in particular is a bellwether. Voted for the election winner since foundation in 1983 except 2017 when Labour won without even targeting it.
As @Philip_Thompson points out Leigh is the only real one on a tighter definition (been Labour for living memory).
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1318611041618661376?s=20
The bit I never understand is this - in the Abrahamic religions, God is utterly all powerful. He constructed the universe. How do you offend a being like that, exactly? Let alone attack him....
Not like the Greek Gods who were just Homelander with better press, for the most part.
https://twitter.com/MancTories/status/1318603151159734273
Into the final fortnight of the US Presidential campaign we go and every poll is minutely over-analysed to see what is or may be happening.
An inference of polls this evening but confirming Florida, Georgia and Ohio are all TCTC and suggesting North Carolina remains very close though with advantage Biden.
Looking further afield, Biden up 49-44 in Minnesota which would be unremarkable and fit the narrative of a 2% national swing.
Two polls from the reddest of Red states - in Arkansas which Trump won by 27 in 2016, a poll puts Trump ahead 58-34 so a tiny movement from 2016 and it looks as those someone touted for the 2024 GOP nomination, Tom Cotton, will be easily returned
https://talkbusiness.net/2020/10/trump-cotton-on-cruise-control-for-re-election/
In Kentucky, which Trump won by 30 last time, a Mason-Dixon poll puts him 17 ahead so a more noticeable 6.5% swing to Biden.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2020/Mason_Dixon_Kentucky_October_20,_2020.pdf
Conflicting national polls - the daily IBD/TIPP poll has Biden ahead 48-46 which is the closest it's been for some time but a Siena poll for the New York Times has Biden ahead 50-41
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/us101520-crosstabs1/016bc5d8ae03038c/full.pdf
Even with huge margins of error, that's a considerable divergence.
I've moved Florida back to TCTC leaving Biden ahead 284-163 with 91 TCTC at this stage.
wheels coming off the bandwagon.
https://twitter.com/oliverbrown_tel/status/1318610042749440001