The thing about Ed Miliband is that, like William Hague, he was chosen as party leader far too early. Hague eventually became a very serious politician; Ed M has also matured quite well in the last five years.
Intriguing to me how wound up / excited this forum is about this bill, on most of the tabloids’ websites it’s hard to find mention of the story. It’s without doubt Covid and the Rule of 6 that is upsetting people in the real world, when I chat to cross sections of the public (although Casino is right, those on the south coast have the Dover crossings a close second). Arguing the tealeaves on this bill is for the obsessives. Either it’ll be No Deal which Boris won’t mind politically at all, or a deal he will inevitably champion from the rooftop, which will be fine too. Not much to gain vote wise from today’s point scoring.
And not that I’m his biggest fan on his handling of covid but the PM is getting a get out of jail free card on the defining issue of the day of covid, with now not one but two major pharmas likely to announce a vaccine within 6 weeks. One thing the Uk has done right is massive upfront payments to secure a broad mix of vaccines early.
So both issues will be over as a story comfortably by next summer. Just in time for Scottish Indie to rear its head with the Scottish elections....
A pre election exit date will I think be determined by health or personal factors, rather than politics. Shaky ground to bet on I would suggest but you guys are the experts so knock yourselves out.
And the Shetlands, Orkney and Western Islands seeking Independence from Scotland as widely publicised this week
The Western Isles now is it? Where was this interesting new development widely reported?
Intriguing to me how wound up / excited this forum is about this bill, on most of the tabloids’ websites it’s hard to find mention of the story. It’s without doubt Covid and the Rule of 6 that is upsetting people in the real world, when I chat to cross sections of the public (although Casino is right, those on the south coast have the Dover crossings a close second). Arguing the tealeaves on this bill is for the obsessives. Either it’ll be No Deal which Boris won’t mind politically at all, or a deal he will inevitably champion from the rooftop, which will be fine too. Not much to gain vote wise from today’s point scoring.
And not that I’m his biggest fan on his handling of covid but the PM is getting a get out of jail free card on the defining issue of the day of covid, with now not one but two major pharmas likely to announce a vaccine within 6 weeks. One thing the Uk has done right is massive upfront payments to secure a broad mix of vaccines early.
So both issues will be over as a story comfortably by next summer. Just in time for Scottish Indie to rear its head with the Scottish elections....
A pre election exit date will I think be determined by health or personal factors, rather than politics. Shaky ground to bet on I would suggest but you guys are the experts so knock yourselves out.
Your sense of perspective and sanity are an absolute tonic amidst this madness. Thanks!
The thing about Ed Miliband is that, like William Hague, he was chosen as party leader far too early. Hague eventually became a very serious politician; Ed M has also matured quite well in the last five years.
Ed's big mistake was resigning the leadership. Was probably inevitable, but I am sure Labour would be in a better place if he hadn't.
Intriguing to me how wound up / excited this forum is about this bill, on most of the tabloids’ websites it’s hard to find mention of the story. It’s without doubt Covid and the Rule of 6 that is upsetting people in the real world, when I chat to cross sections of the public (although Casino is right, those on the south coast have the Dover crossings a close second). Arguing the tealeaves on this bill is for the obsessives. Either it’ll be No Deal which Boris won’t mind politically at all, or a deal he will inevitably champion from the rooftop, which will be fine too. Not much to gain vote wise from today’s point scoring.
And not that I’m his biggest fan on his handling of covid but the PM is getting a get out of jail free card on the defining issue of the day of covid, with now not one but two major pharmas likely to announce a vaccine within 6 weeks. One thing the Uk has done right is massive upfront payments to secure a broad mix of vaccines early.
So both issues will be over as a story comfortably by next summer. Just in time for Scottish Indie to rear its head with the Scottish elections....
A pre election exit date will I think be determined by health or personal factors, rather than politics. Shaky ground to bet on I would suggest but you guys are the experts so knock yourselves out.
And the Shetlands, Orkney and Western Islands seeking Independence from Scotland as widely publicised this week
The Western Isles now is it? Where was this interesting new development widely reported?
I believe it was the Herald but I have read it elsewhere and with a reference to Blackford trying to ignore it
I bet this school are pleased now they are famous for having the Who Wants to be a Millionaire winner as a teacher, rather than the I want to take all the Millionaire's money as a former student.
A leader who won a majority of 80 is preferable to a leader who lost a general election on any definition
You need to open your eyes to what is happening in front of you
Labour want rid of Boris as they fear him, just as the Tories feared Blair, just as Labour feared Thatcher.
You are falling into their trap, last time the Chancellor replaced the PM in 2007 he lost the 2010 election, the time before that he scraped a win in 1992 then was trounced in 1997
I can't speak for Labour, although I am sympathetic to Starmer's party. I don't fear Johnson's electoral invincibility. In fact I would consider him a massive liability, if not quite yet, very shortly.
HYUFD, In 1957 MacMillan moved from No11 to No 10. In 1959 he won a landslide at the GE. Do these isolated facts reveal some sort of hidden law of politics?
The thing about Ed Miliband is that, like William Hague, he was chosen as party leader far too early. Hague eventually became a very serious politician; Ed M has also matured quite well in the last five years.
That was brutal from EdM today. You may be right about his being too inexperienced when he was leader. The thing that always struck me, though, was that when relaxed and not in politician mode he would come across as funny and intelligent - but whenever he appeared as ‘Leader of the HMO’ he was utterly robotic - and never allowed his actually abundant human qualities to come across.
Intriguing to me how wound up / excited this forum is about this bill, on most of the tabloids’ websites it’s hard to find mention of the story. It’s without doubt Covid and the Rule of 6 that is upsetting people in the real world, when I chat to cross sections of the public (although Casino is right, those on the south coast have the Dover crossings a close second). Arguing the tealeaves on this bill is for the obsessives. Either it’ll be No Deal which Boris won’t mind politically at all, or a deal he will inevitably champion from the rooftop, which will be fine too. Not much to gain vote wise from today’s point scoring.
And not that I’m his biggest fan on his handling of covid but the PM is getting a get out of jail free card on the defining issue of the day of covid, with now not one but two major pharmas likely to announce a vaccine within 6 weeks. One thing the Uk has done right is massive upfront payments to secure a broad mix of vaccines early.
So both issues will be over as a story comfortably by next summer. Just in time for Scottish Indie to rear its head with the Scottish elections....
A pre election exit date will I think be determined by health or personal factors, rather than politics. Shaky ground to bet on I would suggest but you guys are the experts so knock yourselves out.
That is because most people neither care nor follow politics and why the franchise must be restricted...if you wont follow what is going on then you shouldn't get a vote on it. Its like being in a football match and asking people who hadn't been watching if it was a penalyu.
The thing about Ed Miliband is that, like William Hague, he was chosen as party leader far too early. Hague eventually became a very serious politician; Ed M has also matured quite well in the last five years.
I see your point but am not sure this is right.
Both got chosen as leaders because they had and have many qualities, including that they can more than hold their own in debate - as Hague repeatedly showed (but ultimately with no reward at all) in PMQs and Miliband showed today (but not only today).
But the scrutiny of party leaders is unrelenting and savage compared with other ministers and shadow ministers - weaknesses get put under an electron-microscope and are elevated to a ridiculous degree such that people get a distorted view and wonder why the hell the party chose someone so "obviously" deficient.
Additionally, they need to do a range of things right that aren't obvious in public "performances". For example, they have to make correct calls on the big strategic issues, appoint and manage highly capable teams, and manage their parties well behind the scenes. In reality, that is where Hague and Miliband failed despite their very real qualities.
I am not sure "maturity" is the issue - they've not transformed into fundamentally different and better politicians over a few years - it's just we see them now under a softer light.
@Tissue_Price Advanced this argument - It is also my personal belief that much of the difficulty in the negotiations so far, and particularly with respect to Northern Ireland, can be traced back to the EU’s insistence that we leave in two stages – withdrawal first and only then discussing the future relationship. - Heard it anywhere before ?
Intriguing to me how wound up / excited this forum is about this bill, on most of the tabloids’ websites it’s hard to find mention of the story. It’s without doubt Covid and the Rule of 6 that is upsetting people in the real world, when I chat to cross sections of the public (although Casino is right, those on the south coast have the Dover crossings a close second). Arguing the tealeaves on this bill is for the obsessives. Either it’ll be No Deal which Boris won’t mind politically at all, or a deal he will inevitably champion from the rooftop, which will be fine too. Not much to gain vote wise from today’s point scoring.
And not that I’m his biggest fan on his handling of covid but the PM is getting a get out of jail free card on the defining issue of the day of covid, with now not one but two major pharmas likely to announce a vaccine within 6 weeks. One thing the Uk has done right is massive upfront payments to secure a broad mix of vaccines early.
So both issues will be over as a story comfortably by next summer. Just in time for Scottish Indie to rear its head with the Scottish elections....
A pre election exit date will I think be determined by health or personal factors, rather than politics. Shaky ground to bet on I would suggest but you guys are the experts so knock yourselves out.
And the Shetlands, Orkney and Western Islands seeking Independence from Scotland as widely publicised this week
The Western Isles now is it? Where was this interesting new development widely reported?
I believe it was the Herald but I have read it elsewhere and with a reference to Blackford trying to ignore it
Of course, a lot of the possible problems couldn't arise if the US drops it moronic electoral college and just gives the presidency to the person who gets, you know, the most votes.
@Tissue_Price Advanced this argument - It is also my personal belief that much of the difficulty in the negotiations so far, and particularly with respect to Northern Ireland, can be traced back to the EU’s insistence that we leave in two stages – withdrawal first and only then discussing the future relationship. - Heard it anywhere before ?
@Tissue_Price Advanced this argument - It is also my personal belief that much of the difficulty in the negotiations so far, and particularly with respect to Northern Ireland, can be traced back to the EU’s insistence that we leave in two stages – withdrawal first and only then discussing the future relationship. - Heard it anywhere before ?
That's just a different way of saying that we would be in a stronger position if they allowed us to use Northern Ireland as leverage in the future relationship negotiations.
Intriguing to me how wound up / excited this forum is about this bill, on most of the tabloids’ websites it’s hard to find mention of the story. It’s without doubt Covid and the Rule of 6 that is upsetting people in the real world, when I chat to cross sections of the public (although Casino is right, those on the south coast have the Dover crossings a close second). Arguing the tealeaves on this bill is for the obsessives. Either it’ll be No Deal which Boris won’t mind politically at all, or a deal he will inevitably champion from the rooftop, which will be fine too. Not much to gain vote wise from today’s point scoring.
And not that I’m his biggest fan on his handling of covid but the PM is getting a get out of jail free card on the defining issue of the day of covid, with now not one but two major pharmas likely to announce a vaccine within 6 weeks. One thing the Uk has done right is massive upfront payments to secure a broad mix of vaccines early.
So both issues will be over as a story comfortably by next summer. Just in time for Scottish Indie to rear its head with the Scottish elections....
A pre election exit date will I think be determined by health or personal factors, rather than politics. Shaky ground to bet on I would suggest but you guys are the experts so knock yourselves out.
And the Shetlands, Orkney and Western Islands seeking Independence from Scotland as widely publicised this week
The Western Isles now is it? Where was this interesting new development widely reported?
I believe it was the Herald but I have read it elsewhere and with a reference to Blackford trying to ignore it
Intriguing to me how wound up / excited this forum is about this bill, on most of the tabloids’ websites it’s hard to find mention of the story. It’s without doubt Covid and the Rule of 6 that is upsetting people in the real world, when I chat to cross sections of the public (although Casino is right, those on the south coast have the Dover crossings a close second). Arguing the tealeaves on this bill is for the obsessives. Either it’ll be No Deal which Boris won’t mind politically at all, or a deal he will inevitably champion from the rooftop, which will be fine too. Not much to gain vote wise from today’s point scoring.
And not that I’m his biggest fan on his handling of covid but the PM is getting a get out of jail free card on the defining issue of the day of covid, with now not one but two major pharmas likely to announce a vaccine within 6 weeks. One thing the Uk has done right is massive upfront payments to secure a broad mix of vaccines early.
So both issues will be over as a story comfortably by next summer. Just in time for Scottish Indie to rear its head with the Scottish elections....
A pre election exit date will I think be determined by health or personal factors, rather than politics. Shaky ground to bet on I would suggest but you guys are the experts so knock yourselves out.
And the Shetlands, Orkney and Western Islands seeking Independence from Scotland as widely publicised this week
The Western Isles now is it? Where was this interesting new development widely reported?
I believe it was the Herald but I have read it elsewhere and with a reference to Blackford trying to ignore it
Doesn't say what you think it says. I don't know when you last visited the Hebrides, but nothing about them screams "We can afford to go it alone." Oil is oil.
@Tissue_Price Advanced this argument - It is also my personal belief that much of the difficulty in the negotiations so far, and particularly with respect to Northern Ireland, can be traced back to the EU’s insistence that we leave in two stages – withdrawal first and only then discussing the future relationship. - Heard it anywhere before ?
@Tissue_Price Advanced this argument - It is also my personal belief that much of the difficulty in the negotiations so far, and particularly with respect to Northern Ireland, can be traced back to the EU’s insistence that we leave in two stages – withdrawal first and only then discussing the future relationship. - Heard it anywhere before ?
Tissue price has gone native?
I think you need to go native to get the job...
A shame I liked him when he was an individual and not one of the tory Borg......without even jerry ryan and theresa may is their seven of nine
@Tissue_Price Advanced this argument - It is also my personal belief that much of the difficulty in the negotiations so far, and particularly with respect to Northern Ireland, can be traced back to the EU’s insistence that we leave in two stages – withdrawal first and only then discussing the future relationship. - Heard it anywhere before ?
To be fair, it's true: the EU have weaponised the Irish border.
It still doesn't justify reneging unilaterally on an international agreement we've only just signed.
If that's the way we felt we should have bombed out to No Deal on principle post GE2019.
Intriguing to me how wound up / excited this forum is about this bill, on most of the tabloids’ websites it’s hard to find mention of the story. It’s without doubt Covid and the Rule of 6 that is upsetting people in the real world, when I chat to cross sections of the public (although Casino is right, those on the south coast have the Dover crossings a close second). Arguing the tealeaves on this bill is for the obsessives. Either it’ll be No Deal which Boris won’t mind politically at all, or a deal he will inevitably champion from the rooftop, which will be fine too. Not much to gain vote wise from today’s point scoring.
And not that I’m his biggest fan on his handling of covid but the PM is getting a get out of jail free card on the defining issue of the day of covid, with now not one but two major pharmas likely to announce a vaccine within 6 weeks. One thing the Uk has done right is massive upfront payments to secure a broad mix of vaccines early.
So both issues will be over as a story comfortably by next summer. Just in time for Scottish Indie to rear its head with the Scottish elections....
A pre election exit date will I think be determined by health or personal factors, rather than politics. Shaky ground to bet on I would suggest but you guys are the experts so knock yourselves out.
And the Shetlands, Orkney and Western Islands seeking Independence from Scotland as widely publicised this week
The Western Isles now is it? Where was this interesting new development widely reported?
I believe it was the Herald but I have read it elsewhere and with a reference to Blackford trying to ignore it
Doesn't say what you think it says. I don't know when you last visited the Hebrides, but nothing about them screams "We can afford to go it alone." Oil is oil.
I have been to the Hebrides several times and the article references them in respect of the discussions with Orkney and Shetland
And of a minor interest my wife spent the war time on the Orkneys
There is nothing in the least "extraordinary" about it. Many social and psychological experiments have shown that people's "standards" are remarkably flexible. Look up Stanley Milgram's experiments where people would inflict pain because an authority figure said it was OK to do so.
Intriguing to me how wound up / excited this forum is about this bill, on most of the tabloids’ websites it’s hard to find mention of the story. It’s without doubt Covid and the Rule of 6 that is upsetting people in the real world, when I chat to cross sections of the public (although Casino is right, those on the south coast have the Dover crossings a close second). Arguing the tealeaves on this bill is for the obsessives. Either it’ll be No Deal which Boris won’t mind politically at all, or a deal he will inevitably champion from the rooftop, which will be fine too. Not much to gain vote wise from today’s point scoring.
And not that I’m his biggest fan on his handling of covid but the PM is getting a get out of jail free card on the defining issue of the day of covid, with now not one but two major pharmas likely to announce a vaccine within 6 weeks. One thing the Uk has done right is massive upfront payments to secure a broad mix of vaccines early.
So both issues will be over as a story comfortably by next summer. Just in time for Scottish Indie to rear its head with the Scottish elections....
A pre election exit date will I think be determined by health or personal factors, rather than politics. Shaky ground to bet on I would suggest but you guys are the experts so knock yourselves out.
And the Shetlands, Orkney and Western Islands seeking Independence from Scotland as widely publicised this week
The Western Isles now is it? Where was this interesting new development widely reported?
I believe it was the Herald but I have read it elsewhere and with a reference to Blackford trying to ignore it
Doesn't say what you think it says. I don't know when you last visited the Hebrides, but nothing about them screams "We can afford to go it alone." Oil is oil.
I have been to the Hebrides several times and the article references them in respect of the discussions with Orkney and Shetland
And of a minor interest my wife spent the war time on the Orkneys
And did they look self-financing any of those times?
A thought and no doubt I will be told I am completely wrong
Tissue price was one of us, he said what he thought and he would criticize when he felt something was wrong.
Now he is elected he is a johnson clone.....does that not say our parliament needs to be reformed?
Or that the country needs a PB Junta.
The last thing that the country needs is a pb junta, philip thompson, hyufd.dura) ace, chb and kinablu would be involved...if it came to a pb takeover apart from me which might be taken as a biassed vote we crown cyclefree
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Yes, I wonder how they'd feel if it was Corbyn and McDonnell, doing something like nationalising at under fair value. The subtle danger here is that it makes ALL sides feel that they can break a few rules, that's no worse. In that way Starmer probably stands oiut as being the least likely person to embrace such a doctrine.
@Tissue_Price Advanced this argument - It is also my personal belief that much of the difficulty in the negotiations so far, and particularly with respect to Northern Ireland, can be traced back to the EU’s insistence that we leave in two stages – withdrawal first and only then discussing the future relationship. - Heard it anywhere before ?
Tissue price has gone native?
The terrible sequencing, was dictated by a combination of Article 50, to which the UK agreed at the time:
2. ....the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
Made worse by terrible political judgement from the UK. All of which placed the EU in the driving seat.
PFizer's CEO said its vaccine could be given in late 2020.....
My understanding on the Oxford-AZN vaccine is that it could be in first batch of arms as soon as November, with publication of Phase 3 findings perhaps 5-6 weeks away. Don’t ask me for a source because I can’t give it. Just what I’ve been told is now looking likely.
It’s why I find the government’s messaging recently so unconscionable. If I know this so do they. So give people a bit of hope for goodness sake.
There is nothing in the least "extraordinary" about it. Many social and psychological experiments have shown that people's "standards" are remarkably flexible. Look up Stanley Milgram's experiments where people would inflict pain because an authority figure said it was OK to do so.
That Milgram experiment is sooo much less interesting than everyone thinks it is. The narrative is that the dupes thought that what they were doing couldn't really be wrong if an authority figure told them it was OK, and the uninteresting punch line is that they were absolutely right.
Intriguing to me how wound up / excited this forum is about this bill, on most of the tabloids’ websites it’s hard to find mention of the story. It’s without doubt Covid and the Rule of 6 that is upsetting people in the real world, when I chat to cross sections of the public (although Casino is right, those on the south coast have the Dover crossings a close second). Arguing the tealeaves on this bill is for the obsessives. Either it’ll be No Deal which Boris won’t mind politically at all, or a deal he will inevitably champion from the rooftop, which will be fine too. Not much to gain vote wise from today’s point scoring.
And not that I’m his biggest fan on his handling of covid but the PM is getting a get out of jail free card on the defining issue of the day of covid, with now not one but two major pharmas likely to announce a vaccine within 6 weeks. One thing the Uk has done right is massive upfront payments to secure a broad mix of vaccines early.
So both issues will be over as a story comfortably by next summer. Just in time for Scottish Indie to rear its head with the Scottish elections....
A pre election exit date will I think be determined by health or personal factors, rather than politics. Shaky ground to bet on I would suggest but you guys are the experts so knock yourselves out.
And the Shetlands, Orkney and Western Islands seeking Independence from Scotland as widely publicised this week
The Western Isles now is it? Where was this interesting new development widely reported?
I believe it was the Herald but I have read it elsewhere and with a reference to Blackford trying to ignore it
Doesn't say what you think it says. I don't know when you last visited the Hebrides, but nothing about them screams "We can afford to go it alone." Oil is oil.
I have been to the Hebrides several times and the article references them in respect of the discussions with Orkney and Shetland
And of a minor interest my wife spent the war time on the Orkneys
And did they look self-financing any of those times?
Seems they do not receive adequate funding from Edinburgh
PFizer's CEO said its vaccine could be given in late 2020.....
My understanding on the Oxford-AZN vaccine is that it could be in first batch of arms as soon as November, with publication of Phase 3 findings perhaps 5-6 weeks away. Don’t ask me for a source because I can’t give it. Just what I’ve been told is now looking likely.
It’s why I find the government’s messaging recently so unconscionable. If I know this so do they. So give people a bit of hope for goodness sake.
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Sorry to be late to the party and a bit dim - what does "use vanilla" mean. I have politicalbetting.com in my favourites and click on that. Is vanilla a app or something?
Intriguing to me how wound up / excited this forum is about this bill, on most of the tabloids’ websites it’s hard to find mention of the story. It’s without doubt Covid and the Rule of 6 that is upsetting people in the real world, when I chat to cross sections of the public (although Casino is right, those on the south coast have the Dover crossings a close second). Arguing the tealeaves on this bill is for the obsessives. Either it’ll be No Deal which Boris won’t mind politically at all, or a deal he will inevitably champion from the rooftop, which will be fine too. Not much to gain vote wise from today’s point scoring.
And not that I’m his biggest fan on his handling of covid but the PM is getting a get out of jail free card on the defining issue of the day of covid, with now not one but two major pharmas likely to announce a vaccine within 6 weeks. One thing the Uk has done right is massive upfront payments to secure a broad mix of vaccines early.
So both issues will be over as a story comfortably by next summer. Just in time for Scottish Indie to rear its head with the Scottish elections....
A pre election exit date will I think be determined by health or personal factors, rather than politics. Shaky ground to bet on I would suggest but you guys are the experts so knock yourselves out.
And the Shetlands, Orkney and Western Islands seeking Independence from Scotland as widely publicised this week
The Western Isles now is it? Where was this interesting new development widely reported?
I believe it was the Herald but I have read it elsewhere and with a reference to Blackford trying to ignore it
Intriguing to me how wound up / excited this forum is about this bill, on most of the tabloids’ websites it’s hard to find mention of the story. It’s without doubt Covid and the Rule of 6 that is upsetting people in the real world, when I chat to cross sections of the public (although Casino is right, those on the south coast have the Dover crossings a close second). Arguing the tealeaves on this bill is for the obsessives. Either it’ll be No Deal which Boris won’t mind politically at all, or a deal he will inevitably champion from the rooftop, which will be fine too. Not much to gain vote wise from today’s point scoring.
And not that I’m his biggest fan on his handling of covid but the PM is getting a get out of jail free card on the defining issue of the day of covid, with now not one but two major pharmas likely to announce a vaccine within 6 weeks. One thing the Uk has done right is massive upfront payments to secure a broad mix of vaccines early.
So both issues will be over as a story comfortably by next summer. Just in time for Scottish Indie to rear its head with the Scottish elections....
A pre election exit date will I think be determined by health or personal factors, rather than politics. Shaky ground to bet on I would suggest but you guys are the experts so knock yourselves out.
And the Shetlands, Orkney and Western Islands seeking Independence from Scotland as widely publicised this week
The Western Isles now is it? Where was this interesting new development widely reported?
I believe it was the Herald but I have read it elsewhere and with a reference to Blackford trying to ignore it
@Tissue_Price Advanced this argument - It is also my personal belief that much of the difficulty in the negotiations so far, and particularly with respect to Northern Ireland, can be traced back to the EU’s insistence that we leave in two stages – withdrawal first and only then discussing the future relationship. - Heard it anywhere before ?
Tissue price has gone native?
The terrible sequencing, was dictated by a combination of Article 50, to which the UK agreed at the time:
2. ....the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
Made worse by terrible political judgement from the UK. All of which placed the EU in the driving seat.
2 and 3 ar both true, it doesnt mean however Tissue price should go along with the imposition of executive control without parliamentary or judicial scrutiny
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PFizer's CEO said its vaccine could be given in late 2020.....
My understanding on the Oxford-AZN vaccine is that it could be in first batch of arms as soon as November, with publication of Phase 3 findings perhaps 5-6 weeks away. Don’t ask me for a source because I can’t give it. Just what I’ve been told is now looking likely.
It’s why I find the government’s messaging recently so unconscionable. If I know this so do they. So give people a bit of hope for goodness sake.
Could still go tits up.
Sure. But nothing was done last week by the senior talking heads to counter all the bullshit hysteria on the pause to the trial. I and several others here knew as fact within hours of the Reuters story that it was nothing to worry about.
And all we get even now is such vaguely caveated statements on a vaccine talking about as late as next summer, ooh we may never get one, let’s spend £100bn on a testing process that doesn’t even exist.
Healthcare workers likely to get it before or around Xmas. Then sometime thereafter care home residents. And teachers. And we will be then talking about something which isn’t really spreading and isn’t causing much morbidity or mortality, long before your average Millennial gets the chance to not turn up to the appointment to get one.
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Sorry to be late to the party and a bit dim - what does "use vanilla" mean. I have politicalbetting.com in my favourites and click on that. Is vanilla a app or something?
PFizer's CEO said its vaccine could be given in late 2020.....
My understanding on the Oxford-AZN vaccine is that it could be in first batch of arms as soon as November, with publication of Phase 3 findings perhaps 5-6 weeks away. Don’t ask me for a source because I can’t give it. Just what I’ve been told is now looking likely.
It’s why I find the government’s messaging recently so unconscionable. If I know this so do they. So give people a bit of hope for goodness sake.
Could still go tits up.
Sure. But nothing was done last week by the senior talking heads to counter all the bullshit hysteria on the pause to the trial. I and several others here knew as fact within hours of the Reuters story that it was nothing to worry about.
And all we get even now is such vaguely caveated statements on a vaccine talking about as late as next summer, ooh we may never get one, let’s spend £100bn on a testing process that doesn’t even exist.
Healthcare workers likely to get it before or around Xmas. Then sometime thereafter care home residents. And teachers. And we will be then talking about something which isn’t really spreading and isn’t causing much morbidity or mortality, long before your average Millennial gets the chance to not turn up to the appointment to get one.
The media talking breathless bollocks about covid, never...
PFizer's CEO said its vaccine could be given in late 2020.....
My understanding on the Oxford-AZN vaccine is that it could be in first batch of arms as soon as November, with publication of Phase 3 findings perhaps 5-6 weeks away. Don’t ask me for a source because I can’t give it. Just what I’ve been told is now looking likely.
It’s why I find the government’s messaging recently so unconscionable. If I know this so do they. So give people a bit of hope for goodness sake.
Could still go tits up.
Sure. But nothing was done last week by the senior talking heads to counter all the bullshit hysteria on the pause to the trial. I and several others here knew as fact within hours of the Reuters story that it was nothing to worry about.
And all we get even now is such vaguely caveated statements on a vaccine talking about as late as next summer, ooh we may never get one, let’s spend £100bn on a testing process that doesn’t even exist.
Healthcare workers likely to get it before or around Xmas. Then sometime thereafter care home residents. And teachers. And we will be then talking about something which isn’t really spreading and isn’t causing much morbidity or mortality, long before your average Millennial gets the chance to not turn up to the appointment to get one.
A Pennsylvania judge today ruled the state's lockdown and gathering restrictions unconstitutional.....
How do you get to the older comments on a thread now ?
Use vanilla.
Sorry to be late to the party and a bit dim - what does "use vanilla" mean. I have politicalbetting.com in my favourites and click on that. Is vanilla a app or something?
When I click on that the header doesn`t come up and then the comments are upside down - is that right?
It ain't right, but it's the way things are.
Something weird is going on - I just clicked the usual website and got an additional vertical "slider" between the comments and the archive date list, and by using that I could scroll down to the older comments. But, I`ve now tried again and it`s not there and I can`t get it to do it again???
PFizer's CEO said its vaccine could be given in late 2020.....
My understanding on the Oxford-AZN vaccine is that it could be in first batch of arms as soon as November, with publication of Phase 3 findings perhaps 5-6 weeks away. Don’t ask me for a source because I can’t give it. Just what I’ve been told is now looking likely.
It’s why I find the government’s messaging recently so unconscionable. If I know this so do they. So give people a bit of hope for goodness sake.
Could still go tits up.
Sure. But nothing was done last week by the senior talking heads to counter all the bullshit hysteria on the pause to the trial. I and several others here knew as fact within hours of the Reuters story that it was nothing to worry about.
And all we get even now is such vaguely caveated statements on a vaccine talking about as late as next summer, ooh we may never get one, let’s spend £100bn on a testing process that doesn’t even exist.
Healthcare workers likely to get it before or around Xmas. Then sometime thereafter care home residents. And teachers. And we will be then talking about something which isn’t really spreading and isn’t causing much morbidity or mortality, long before your average Millennial gets the chance to not turn up to the appointment to get one.
How do you know the pause isn't much to worry about out of interest 'as fact' ?
The thing about Ed Miliband is that, like William Hague, he was chosen as party leader far too early. Hague eventually became a very serious politician; Ed M has also matured quite well in the last five years.
Ed's big mistake was resigning the leadership. Was probably inevitable, but I am sure Labour would be in a better place if he hadn't.
Busted. Oddly there are still those who do not see the twisted pathology or see it but consider Joe Biden a more terrible prospect. I'd be lying if I claimed to understand this.
Can I ask is it anyone else feels wierd when political opposites like your posts? I am beginning to feel like I defected
I think that politics is so chaotic at present that I find myself often agreeing with posters I would not normally.
Amazingly I actually agreed with one of Scott's post the other day.
When politics get chaotic I think the thing to take away is that our politics no longer fits the world we llive in and its time to rewrite politics. Naturally none of the idiots in the commons or lords will see it that way
Orkney and Shetland back to Norway - well, it's a thought.
The Arizona poll is very strong for Biden but as with so many of the US polls, there's a big caveat on the margin of error which in this poll is 4% so it could be a 2% lead for Biden or an 18% lead for Biden.
Simply re-tweeting headline numbers, as some do, is hugely misleading. Most of the polls have very large margins of error and this becomes especially relevant so if the result is in any way close.
Yesterday's Fox News poll had a 5-point Biden lead but a 2.5% Margin of error so it could be level or a 10-point Biden lead. Even the much-vaunted Rasmussen polls have a margin of error of 3% so the North Carolina poll could be a Trump lead of eight or a Biden lead of one.
in 2016, 133 Electoral College votes were decided in states where the winning candidate won by less than 5% - Trump won 102 of those and Clinton 31.
Trump won 306-232 last time - if Biden wins all the 102 votes on offer with just a 2.5% swing he would win 334 and Trump would win 204. That's the size of the difference yet we work with polls which have larger margins of error.
PFizer's CEO said its vaccine could be given in late 2020.....
My understanding on the Oxford-AZN vaccine is that it could be in first batch of arms as soon as November, with publication of Phase 3 findings perhaps 5-6 weeks away. Don’t ask me for a source because I can’t give it. Just what I’ve been told is now looking likely.
It’s why I find the government’s messaging recently so unconscionable. If I know this so do they. So give people a bit of hope for goodness sake.
Could still go tits up.
Sure. But nothing was done last week by the senior talking heads to counter all the bullshit hysteria on the pause to the trial. I and several others here knew as fact within hours of the Reuters story that it was nothing to worry about.
And all we get even now is such vaguely caveated statements on a vaccine talking about as late as next summer, ooh we may never get one, let’s spend £100bn on a testing process that doesn’t even exist.
Healthcare workers likely to get it before or around Xmas. Then sometime thereafter care home residents. And teachers. And we will be then talking about something which isn’t really spreading and isn’t causing much morbidity or mortality, long before your average Millennial gets the chance to not turn up to the appointment to get one.
How do you know the pause isn't much to worry about out of interest 'as fact' ?
It is now on the public record that the trial has resumed. How did I know earlier than this that it was nothing to worry about? There remains an imperfect market in information.
PFizer's CEO said its vaccine could be given in late 2020.....
My understanding on the Oxford-AZN vaccine is that it could be in first batch of arms as soon as November, with publication of Phase 3 findings perhaps 5-6 weeks away. Don’t ask me for a source because I can’t give it. Just what I’ve been told is now looking likely.
It’s why I find the government’s messaging recently so unconscionable. If I know this so do they. So give people a bit of hope for goodness sake.
Could still go tits up.
Sure. But nothing was done last week by the senior talking heads to counter all the bullshit hysteria on the pause to the trial. I and several others here knew as fact within hours of the Reuters story that it was nothing to worry about.
And all we get even now is such vaguely caveated statements on a vaccine talking about as late as next summer, ooh we may never get one, let’s spend £100bn on a testing process that doesn’t even exist.
Healthcare workers likely to get it before or around Xmas. Then sometime thereafter care home residents. And teachers. And we will be then talking about something which isn’t really spreading and isn’t causing much morbidity or mortality, long before your average Millennial gets the chance to not turn up to the appointment to get one.
Medical regulators in the USA, Brazil and South Africa seem to disagree with you, but you sound very confident. Are you a virologist?
PFizer's CEO said its vaccine could be given in late 2020.....
My understanding on the Oxford-AZN vaccine is that it could be in first batch of arms as soon as November, with publication of Phase 3 findings perhaps 5-6 weeks away. Don’t ask me for a source because I can’t give it. Just what I’ve been told is now looking likely.
It’s why I find the government’s messaging recently so unconscionable. If I know this so do they. So give people a bit of hope for goodness sake.
How many arms in November - and it really needs to be NHS people first so even a few million jabs won't solves things quickly.
PFizer's CEO said its vaccine could be given in late 2020.....
My understanding on the Oxford-AZN vaccine is that it could be in first batch of arms as soon as November, with publication of Phase 3 findings perhaps 5-6 weeks away. Don’t ask me for a source because I can’t give it. Just what I’ve been told is now looking likely.
It’s why I find the government’s messaging recently so unconscionable. If I know this so do they. So give people a bit of hope for goodness sake.
How many arms in November - and it really needs to be NHS people first so even a few million jabs won't solves things quickly.
For the AstraZeneca drug haven't they been stockpiling it for a few months already?
There is nothing in the least "extraordinary" about it. Many social and psychological experiments have shown that people's "standards" are remarkably flexible. Look up Stanley Milgram's experiments where people would inflict pain because an authority figure said it was OK to do so.
That Milgram experiment is sooo much less interesting than everyone thinks it is. The narrative is that the dupes thought that what they were doing couldn't really be wrong if an authority figure told them it was OK, and the uninteresting punch line is that they were absolutely right.
The point is that it is not that hard for authority figures to get people to ditch their values and beliefs and act in a contrary manner - like, say, law and order Tories cheering on the junking of law and order because their leaders are doing it.
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And Lib dems behind BXP/Green
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-53114875
HYUFD, In 1957 MacMillan moved from No11 to No 10. In 1959 he won a landslide at the GE. Do these isolated facts reveal some sort of hidden law of politics?
But I'm guessing.
Suggests they'll have finished phase 3 at the end of Oct. Which is just about "weeks", I suppose!
Both got chosen as leaders because they had and have many qualities, including that they can more than hold their own in debate - as Hague repeatedly showed (but ultimately with no reward at all) in PMQs and Miliband showed today (but not only today).
But the scrutiny of party leaders is unrelenting and savage compared with other ministers and shadow ministers - weaknesses get put under an electron-microscope and are elevated to a ridiculous degree such that people get a distorted view and wonder why the hell the party chose someone so "obviously" deficient.
Additionally, they need to do a range of things right that aren't obvious in public "performances". For example, they have to make correct calls on the big strategic issues, appoint and manage highly capable teams, and manage their parties well behind the scenes. In reality, that is where Hague and Miliband failed despite their very real qualities.
I am not sure "maturity" is the issue - they've not transformed into fundamentally different and better politicians over a few years - it's just we see them now under a softer light.
@Tissue_Price Advanced this argument
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It is also my personal belief that much of the difficulty in the negotiations so far, and particularly with respect to Northern Ireland, can be traced back to the EU’s insistence that we leave in two stages – withdrawal first and only then discussing the future relationship.
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Heard it anywhere before ?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-if-trump-loses-and-wont-leave/
Of course, a lot of the possible problems couldn't arise if the US drops it moronic electoral college and just gives the presidency to the person who gets, you know, the most votes.
What they might have is an interim analysis demonstrating efficacy.
Tissue price was one of us, he said what he thought and he would criticize when he felt something was wrong.
Now he is elected he is a johnson clone.....does that not say our parliament needs to be reformed?
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/in-exclusive-interview-trump-slams-sisolak-defends-indoor-rally-2121257/
... Trump said in his interview with the Review-Journal that he is not afraid of getting the coronavirus from speaking at the indoor rally.
“I’m on a stage and it’s very far away,” Trump said. “And so I’m not at all concerned.”
It still doesn't justify reneging unilaterally on an international agreement we've only just signed.
If that's the way we felt we should have bombed out to No Deal on principle post GE2019.
And of a minor interest my wife spent the war time on the Orkneys
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1305566487604854784
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1305567112140853250
2. ....the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
Made worse by terrible political judgement from the UK. All of which placed the EU in the driving seat.
It’s why I find the government’s messaging recently so unconscionable. If I know this so do they. So give people a bit of hope for goodness sake.
They're following the personal example of B Johnson Esq.
Sick in the head.
And all we get even now is such vaguely caveated statements on a vaccine talking about as late as next summer, ooh we may never get one, let’s spend £100bn on a testing process that doesn’t even exist.
Healthcare workers likely to get it before or around Xmas. Then sometime thereafter care home residents. And teachers. And we will be then talking about something which isn’t really spreading and isn’t causing much morbidity or mortality, long before your average Millennial gets the chance to not turn up to the appointment to get one.
Amazingly I actually agreed with one of Scott's post the other day.
Edit: it`s back now! Odd.
https://twitter.com/JenniferMerode/status/1305570915535781890
https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1305573003854520321
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1305578066715062273
Orkney and Shetland back to Norway - well, it's a thought.
The Arizona poll is very strong for Biden but as with so many of the US polls, there's a big caveat on the margin of error which in this poll is 4% so it could be a 2% lead for Biden or an 18% lead for Biden.
Simply re-tweeting headline numbers, as some do, is hugely misleading. Most of the polls have very large margins of error and this becomes especially relevant so if the result is in any way close.
Yesterday's Fox News poll had a 5-point Biden lead but a 2.5% Margin of error so it could be level or a 10-point Biden lead. Even the much-vaunted Rasmussen polls have a margin of error of 3% so the North Carolina poll could be a Trump lead of eight or a Biden lead of one.
in 2016, 133 Electoral College votes were decided in states where the winning candidate won by less than 5% - Trump won 102 of those and Clinton 31.
Trump won 306-232 last time - if Biden wins all the 102 votes on offer with just a 2.5% swing he would win 334 and Trump would win 204. That's the size of the difference yet we work with polls which have larger margins of error.