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  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Ben Spencer's line was correct in my opinion
    - This is legislation we could introduce in extremis. We're not in that extremis and it harms our negotiations with the EU.

    We've been in extremis for the past 4 years.

    The EU have weaponised NI for 4 years. This is disarming the bomb.
    You're unhinged !
    Necessity is the mother of invention. The EU feel they have no necessity to compromise, they've turned NI into a bomb to hold over the UK to blackmail us into doing whatever they want.

    Enough is enough!
    Not quite there yet - with your spoof of SeanT's late-night bibulous rants - but a good effort.
    I'm bloody serious. I've said the same thing sober or anything else for years now.
    It’s still daft. And, frankly, bloody offensive. NI suffered decades of bombing and violence which it has taken years to move in from and slowly begin to build a peaceful province and future. And now this is being put at risk because of this lying government’s casual disregard for the agreement put in place to achieve that, as the NI Chief Justice has warned. A province which knows what disregard for the rule of law really means, knows that this is not a game, j own that it has a coat in blood and lives lost and lives ruined and endless heartache is being used by Johnson to cover his incompetence and lies and his little helpers then dare accuse the EU of being like a bomb which needs defusing. It is utterly despicable.
    That is what should happen with NI now. Just fudge the border issues, like the Irish and British were planning pre-2017.

    Neither a border in the Irish Sea, nor on the Irish border.
    Not compatible with a hard Brexit then.
    Absolutely compatible.

    Hard Brexit, soft border.
    Quite obviously not. A hard border means customs, either on land or sea.
    Yes so have customs. My solution is quite simple: customs with self-declaration.

    Just get businesses to self-declare what customs they owe and get them to pay it and move on. Exactly like businesses already self-declare what VAT, PAYE and other taxes they owe. Just rely upon self-declarations. Businesses deal with it in the way they already deal with a plethora of other taxes and no border posts because security of the island is more important than the risk of people not declaring their taxes properly.
    Presumably we could trust people to fiddle the figures in a limited and specific way?
    Who's going to be put in charge of investigating breaches and ensuring compliance? This is EU money, after all.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited September 2020

    Having lied to the electorate, Johnson now needs a deal more than ever. If he gets one the lie may be forgotten. If he doesn’t, it won’t be. Neither will it be forgiven.

    That is the bizarre thing. His response on discovering that he's completely boxed himself (and, more to the point, all of us) in, with a looming deadline, is to double down and box himself in even more. He could get away with it with the original 'do or die' deadline by simply ignoring the fact that he missed it. He got away with caving in to the EU's opening position on the WA by branding it as a triumph. Both of those were abject political failures, but without any immediate real-world consequences; he just needed to keep his supporters onside and his MPs pretending to be impressed. How the hell is he going to escape from this mess, which will have big real-world consequences in just 12 weeks or so? He's left himself with so little time - in fact it's already too late - that the only conceivable way out even in the short term is to do a super-fast deal with the EU which extends the transition period, in practice if not in name. So trashing the trust that would help with that is, err, brave...
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    RobD said:

    Alistair said:
    Damn, that's got to be life in prison, surely? How would you mistake a person for a deer?
    Must have thought it was a very small deer.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,848

    @Pagan2 - do not use language like that here.

    Apologies but I don't know how else to express my contempt for people who would try and dismantle are democracy.....am I allowed to suggest they be given chinese burns?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269

    Having lied to the electorate, Johnson now needs a deal more than ever. If he gets one the lie may be forgotten. If he doesn’t, it won’t be. Neither will it be forgiven.

    That is the bizarre thing. His response on discovering that he's completely boxed himself (and, more to the point, all of us) in, with a looming deadline, is to double down and box himself in even more. He could get away with it with the original 'do or die' deadline by simply ignoring the fact that he missed it. He got away with caving in to the EU's opening position on the WA by branding it as a triumph. Both of those were just abject political failures, without any immediate real-world consequences; he just needed to keep his supporters onside and his MPs pretending to be impressed. How the hell is he going to escape from this mess, which will have big real-world consequences in just 12 weeks or so? He's left himself with so little time - in fact it's already too late - that the only conceivable way out even in the short term is to do a super-fast deal with the EU which extends the transition period, in practice if not in name. So trashing the trust that would help with that is, err, brave...
    Richard, Richard: you’re crediting them with thinking about the substance. You really should have learnt by now.

    The whole point of this Bill was so that they could send out that tweet. That’s all.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    New thread!
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Having lied to the electorate, Johnson now needs a deal more than ever. If he gets one the lie may be forgotten. If he doesn’t, it won’t be. Neither will it be forgiven.

    That is the bizarre thing. His response on discovering that he's completely boxed himself (and, more to the point, all of us) in, with a looming deadline, is to double down and box himself in even more. He could get away with it with the original 'do or die' deadline by simply ignoring the fact that he missed it. He got away with caving in to the EU's opening position on the WA by branding it as a triumph. Both of those were just abject political failures, without any immediate real-world consequences; he just needed to keep his supporters onside and his MPs pretending to be impressed. How the hell is he going to escape from this mess, which will have big real-world consequences in just 12 weeks or so? He's left himself with so little time - in fact it's already too late - that the only conceivable way out even in the short term is to do a super-fast deal with the EU which extends the transition period, in practice if not in name. So trashing the trust that would help with that is, err, brave...
    He's even boxed himself in by declaring that "no-deal" will be a "very good outcome". So there's not even any political advantage to be gained from the EU walking out of the talks! How can he blame the EU for the consequences of forcing the UK into a very good outcome!
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556

    Lol - you mean Miliband's whining bullshit didn't win the day?

    Colour me shocked! :lol:

    Literally nobody here said the Government was going to lose this.

    Labour lives rent free in your head
    Don't worry - Starmer will grow into losing, just like good old Ed did.
    Ed is more of a decent man than Boris Johnson will ever be.
    Decent but impotent - sounds like Labour, all right.
    Yeah at least we have some principles, your account represents everything I despise about the Tory Party, it's a shame you give decent people like @Big_G_NorthWales and even @Philip_Thompson a bad name
    Really? You seem to have no trouble doling out extreme partisanship all day - do you imagine that it's just a one-way process, or that others might have feelings equal and opposite to your own?
    Like I said, I have principles. You have none, just what's best for the Tory Party
    Uh-huh. So you'd want dear old Starmer and Labour to lose the next election if they do anything that conflicts with your principles? That'll be worth looking out for, I'm sure.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Having lied to the electorate, Johnson now needs a deal more than ever. If he gets one the lie may be forgotten. If he doesn’t, it won’t be. Neither will it be forgiven.

    That is the bizarre thing. His response on discovering that he's completely boxed himself (and, more to the point, all of us) in, with a looming deadline, is to double down and box himself in even more. He could get away with it with the original 'do or die' deadline by simply ignoring the fact that he missed it. He got away with caving in to the EU's opening position on the WA by branding it as a triumph. Both of those were just abject political failures, without any immediate real-world consequences; he just needed to keep his supporters onside and his MPs pretending to be impressed. How the hell is he going to escape from this mess, which will have big real-world consequences in just 12 weeks or so? He's left himself with so little time - in fact it's already too late - that the only conceivable way out even in the short term is to do a super-fast deal with the EU which extends the transition period, in practice if not in name. So trashing the trust that would help with that is, err, brave...
    Richard, Richard: you’re crediting them with thinking about the substance. You really should have learnt by now.

    The whole point of this Bill was so that they could send out that tweet. That’s all.
    Yes, that tweet is something to behold. Not content with wrongly claiming that a vote against breaking the law was taking sides with the EU, and spreading fallacies about NI peace, they also have the brass neck to include the word "integrity" in the text. I hope real integrity will win out in the end, both here and in the USA, but the former will certainly take some time.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    edited September 2020
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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,892
    Good God,

    Good news from Wisconsin

    https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1305628640227586050
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342

    Having lied to the electorate, Johnson now needs a deal more than ever. If he gets one the lie may be forgotten. If he doesn’t, it won’t be. Neither will it be forgiven.

    That is the bizarre thing. His response on discovering that he's completely boxed himself (and, more to the point, all of us) in, with a looming deadline, is to double down and box himself in even more. He could get away with it with the original 'do or die' deadline by simply ignoring the fact that he missed it. He got away with caving in to the EU's opening position on the WA by branding it as a triumph. Both of those were abject political failures, but without any immediate real-world consequences; he just needed to keep his supporters onside and his MPs pretending to be impressed. How the hell is he going to escape from this mess, which will have big real-world consequences in just 12 weeks or so? He's left himself with so little time - in fact it's already too late - that the only conceivable way out even in the short term is to do a super-fast deal with the EU which extends the transition period, in practice if not in name. So trashing the trust that would help with that is, err, brave...
    You assume he's not committed to a No Deal and merely now, having boxed himself in to that, is in the apportioning blame phase.
    EU. Labour for backing the EU, etc., etc.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    HYUFD said:

    So a comfortable majority for the government in the end then and the border in the Irish Sea is one step closer to removal

    OK HYUFD, no border in the North Channel between Stranraer and Belfast, so in the event of a WTO Brexit what happens next? Mrs May's backstop was jettisonned as unworkable, so it has to be border posts at Lurgan. That will go down like a pair of lead underpants with half the population of Northern Ireland, so royally pissing off the Nationalist community- is that OK?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Pulpstar said:
    Could be the vote that has saved American Democracy
  • Cyclefree said:

    Having lied to the electorate, Johnson now needs a deal more than ever. If he gets one the lie may be forgotten. If he doesn’t, it won’t be. Neither will it be forgiven.

    That is the bizarre thing. His response on discovering that he's completely boxed himself (and, more to the point, all of us) in, with a looming deadline, is to double down and box himself in even more. He could get away with it with the original 'do or die' deadline by simply ignoring the fact that he missed it. He got away with caving in to the EU's opening position on the WA by branding it as a triumph. Both of those were just abject political failures, without any immediate real-world consequences; he just needed to keep his supporters onside and his MPs pretending to be impressed. How the hell is he going to escape from this mess, which will have big real-world consequences in just 12 weeks or so? He's left himself with so little time - in fact it's already too late - that the only conceivable way out even in the short term is to do a super-fast deal with the EU which extends the transition period, in practice if not in name. So trashing the trust that would help with that is, err, brave...
    Richard, Richard: you’re crediting them with thinking about the substance. You really should have learnt by now.

    The whole point of this Bill was so that they could send out that tweet. That’s all.
    It does seem like that, doesn't it. Why burn all that political capital just to get a few good headlines in the right wing papers and a tweet that only political nerds will pay attention to. Unless this is all a move in political 4D chess escapology masterminded by Cummings that will only be revealed in time. Beats me.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,503
    Pulpstar said:
    Phew.

    More generally, which states have already started early voting?
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