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  • YossariansChild
    YossariansChild Posts: 536
    Lib Dem guy from Leeds clearly has no clue. "Im not going to fade away" No mate you arent cos no bugger has ever heard of you to begin with.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    UKIP win West Midlands:

    West Midlands result:

    UKIP 428,010 (31.49%)
    Lab 363,033 (26.71%)
    Con 330,470 (24.31%)
    LD 75,648 (5.57%)
    Green 71,464 (5.26%)
    AIFE 27,171 (2.00%)
    Sinclaire 23,426
    BNP 20,643
    Eng Dem 12,832
    No2EU 4,653
    Harmony 1,857
    TOTALS: 1,359,207
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    West Midlands result now
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    Well spotted Eagles, I was thinking just the same thing in relation to the up coming Newark by-election.... Also think it looks terrible for Helmer to be elected as an UKIP MEP tonight, and then for him to be back off campaigning to be an MP in another Parliament the next day.
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looking at the front pages, there's a danger for Farage, that UKIP get lumped in with Front national.

  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    corporeal said:

    I've met Graham Watson a few times, liked him. Seemed a very decent bloke fwiw.

    I'm sure he was a nice bloke in the pub and was kind to small pets.
    Got more time to spend with them now.

  • Stuart_Dickson
    Stuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    maaarsh said:

    Lib Dem line is now that the voters have made a terrible mistake and are now coming to realise that.

    :)
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    SeanT said:

    Grandiose said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I've always said France was a nation of T*ssers.

    Now they've proved it.

    Front national win France.

    Marine le Pen is a very different politician to her (undoubtedly unsavoury) father. She could be the Gerry Adams/Alex Salmond that leads a reprehensible and downright nasty party into respectable government.

    We have seen the same process dozens of times, elsewhere.
    Marine is the acceptable face of a deeply unacceptable party.
    Sinn Fein used to be the electoral wing of the IRA, and SF leaders ordered the torture of execution of single mothers given to comforting dying British soldiers.

    Sinn Fein are now an established party of NI government.

    I see no reason why the mildly quasi-fascist party of the FN could not evolve into a relatively sensible party of French elite politics. This surely is the unique gift of democracy: it absorbs and tames the wild and violent radicals.

    Sinn Fein are still deeply loathed by many on both sides of the Border. They don't pick up transfer votes from other parties.

  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    edited May 2014
    UKIP wins West Midlands, 3 UKIP, 2 Lab, 2 Con. LDs narrowly beat Greens there, but nationally Greens ahead of them
  • AndreaParma_82
    AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Sion Simon sent to Bruxelles
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    2-2-2 based on those votes
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    TSE

    your old friend Sion Simon is re elected.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    West Mids:

    UKIP 3
    Lab 2
    Con 2
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    ooo extra seat now - well done kippers 3-2-2

    Labour close to bang on the swing they need (to catch the tories...)
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    RodCrosby said:

    Correction (Sky figures changing)

    UNS forecast update after 7 regions

    UKIP 25
    Lab 20
    Con 19
    LD 0
    Green 3

    Labour ahead again

    Told you!

    Almost everything in except London - Lab must beat Con on votes.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Alanbrooke said:

    TSE

    your old friend Sion Simon is re elected.

    Soon there will be an election....in which I will be elected
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    fitalass said:

    Well spotted Eagles, I was thinking just the same thing in relation to the up coming Newark by-election.... Also think it looks terrible for Helmer to be elected as an UKIP MEP tonight, and then for him to be back off campaigning to be an MP in another Parliament the next day.

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looking at the front pages, there's a danger for Farage, that UKIP get lumped in with Front national.

    I don't think this is a problem for UKIP, as it would be for other parties, because they want to scrap the European parliament. No one has an issue with Gerry Adams being a member of Westminster and Northern Ireland assembly.
  • corporeal
    corporeal Posts: 2,549
    GeoffM said:

    corporeal said:

    I've met Graham Watson a few times, liked him. Seemed a very decent bloke fwiw.

    I'm sure he was a nice bloke in the pub and was kind to small pets.
    Got more time to spend with them now.

    *shrugs* There's a lot of old wisdom about judging people by how they treat people who can do nothing for them (which is a category interns and stewards generally fall into).
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    Do we have the numbers from Shetland and Gibraltar.

    Might the yellow peril win top and bottom ?

    Yes to both. Ladbrokes just tweeted:

    Ladbrokes: Nick Clegg is 25/1 to be next Governor of Gibraltar
    Save your money :)
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Labour still in third place, but London and Scotland to come. Also SE.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @HarrietHarman: EU poll. Did we increase share of vote from 2009? - yes. Did we beat Tories? -yes. Did we get MEP in every region? -yes
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    Stuart_Dickson said:

    All Scottish councils - with the exception of the Western Isles - have declared their results. As mentioned previously, the Western Isles will declare on Monday afternoon because they don't count votes on a Sunday.

    It's not a Sunday any more!
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    BBC now predicts UKIP gets its first UKIP MEP
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    BBC — UKIP win seat at expense of SNP.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    edited May 2014
    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Grandiose said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I've always said France was a nation of T*ssers.

    Now they've proved it.

    Front national win France.

    Marine le Pen is a very different politician to her (undoubtedly unsavoury) father. She could be the Gerry Adams/Alex Salmond that leads a reprehensible and downright nasty party into respectable government.

    We have seen the same proces3. dozens of times, elsewhere.
    Marine is the acceptable face of a deeply unacceptable party.
    Sinn Fein used to be the electoral wing of the IRA, and SF leaders ordered the torture of execution of single mothers given to comforting dying British soldiers.

    Sinn Fein are now an established party of NI government.

    I see no reason why the mildly quasi-fascist party of the FN could not evolve into a relatively sensible party of French elite politics. This surely is the unique gift of democracy: it absorbs and tames the wild and violent radicals.

    Sinn Fein are still deeply loathed by many on both sides of the Border. They don't pick up transfer votes from other parties.

    SF largest party on the new expanded Belfast City Council: 19 out of 60 seats, DUP 2nd place with 13.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    CarlottaVance said:


    Ladbrokes: Nick Clegg is 25/1 to be next Governor of Gibraltar

    As the place where another delusional European ended his days, perhaps St. Helena would be more appropriate?
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Didn't Sion Simon write an article about an election once?
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Conservatives and Labour neck and neck nationally
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Update II - stuck in the West Midlands results.

    Now, I'm off to bed, will the Lib Dems have at least 1 MEP? Will Lab beat the Tories?
  • JBriskin
    JBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Sky - Lib Dems win a seat
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @chrisshipitv: BREAKING: Lib Dems have got an MEP. Seriously. Apparently they scraped in with 1 in SE. But finish fifth behind Greens
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    UNS forecast update after 8 regions

    UKIP 25
    Lab 20
    Con 19
    LD 0
    Green 3

    Labour still ahead
  • Carola
    Carola Posts: 1,805
    LDs on the scoreboard then.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Toenails doing an Ed is Crap piece.
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    After a devastation like this for the Lib Dems, showing how the 2009 election has basically no bearing on 2014 results, how on Earth do they get included in the debates ahead of UKIP based on what happened five years prior? It's a laughable position. Clearly everything has changed since 09/10 and the electoral commission must regulate these things based on current performance. UKIP have got a bigger vote in the locals, a bigger vote in the Euros and are polling for a bigger result in the general election. They are just obviously and clearly the third largest party in the country.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    Carola said:

    LDs on the scoreboard then.

    Aw....bless!
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Seat result:

    If Lab gets one more seat in London than Con then they tie on seats.

    Can Lab get 2 more than Con? Don't Know!
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,200
    Scott_P said:

    @HarrietHarman: EU poll. Did we increase share of vote from 2009? - yes. Did we beat Tories? -yes. Did we get MEP in every region? -yes

    Remind me again...how many MEPs did Labour get in Northern Ireland?

  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Kellner agrees Ed is Crap.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Kellner - Labour should be "terrified" by these results.
  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    Are the ashcroft polls the only thing keeping ed in his job...???
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Wait, what, the Kippers win a seat in Scotland?

    Am I dreaming?
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Kellner:

    Result should "TERRIFY LABOUR"
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Peter Kellner Government up, opposition down relative to 2009, should terrify Labour!
  • YossariansChild
    YossariansChild Posts: 536
    Kellner knifing Ed Milliband and Labour
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    Surely now Labour will squeak ahead of the Tories for third place, but by a margin that condemns their hopes in May 2015......
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    Yes, Labour are toast in 2015.

    Rod.

    What is your current projection for Con/Lab//LD seats at the next GE?
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    JBriskin said:

    Sky - Lib Dems win a seat

    Where? London or SE?
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    UKIP win Dartford and Southampton
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    viewcode said:

    Scott_P said:

    @HarrietHarman: EU poll. Did we increase share of vote from 2009? - yes. Did we beat Tories? -yes. Did we get MEP in every region? -yes

    Remind me again...how many MEPs did Labour get in Northern Ireland?

    Wow, she sounds a bit rattled
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    Rod Crosby - do you think Labour will come third in England in terms of votes?
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    South East now
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    MarqueeMark said:

    Surely now Labour will squeak ahead of the Tories for third place, but by a margin that condemns their hopes in May 2015......

    Indeed, what with the GE run on the same boundaries on the same electoral system.....

  • HortenceWithering
    HortenceWithering Posts: 145
    HYUFD said:

    Peter Kellner Government up, opposition down relative to 2009, should terrify Labour!


    Yes and what utter claptrap. At that point the Labour government had been in office for 12 years. This government has been in office for 4 years. A silly comparison especially from such an experienced psephologist.

  • kjohnw
    kjohnw Posts: 1,456
    peter kellner saying no opposition who is behind on leadership ratings AND economy ratings has ever gone on to form a government. i.e. Ed is toast!
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    The south east is bigger than London and will surely have a large tory lead over Labour. It seems very likely that Labour will win but between the two but it is embarrassingly close.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @stephentall: Very good point from Peter Kellner: compared with 2009, Govt is UP 8%, Oppostn is DOWN 4%. "That should terrify Labour." #EP2014
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Farage comes top in SE:

    South East

    UKIP 751,439
    Con 723,571
    Lab
    Green 211,706
    ED 17,771
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    UKIP top again, very tight.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: tories have more than double the Labour vote in South East. How's that One Nation thing coming along?
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Farage is an MEP!
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    This speech better be good
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    edited May 2014
    South East UKIP wins South East region, just ahead of the Tories, Greens beat LDs but both win 1 MEP so no LD wipeout!
  • corporeal
    corporeal Posts: 2,549
    Nick Griffin punched?
  • Carola
    Carola Posts: 1,805
    Hannan and Farage.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Good to see Nirj Deva being reelected. Always been a big fan of him since he was MP for Brentford & Isleworth.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Nice wink and a backslap there between Hannan and Farage.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    Way to go UKIP!
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    LDs finally win seat, in South East. Will she be the only one? Only other chance is in London.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    LD win a seat in the SE, just.
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    And then there was one....
  • Carola
    Carola Posts: 1,805
    corporeal said:

    Nick Griffin punched?

    Apparently an ambulance was called. And at one point a BBC camera fell on him*.

    *according to twitter caveat
  • JBriskin
    JBriskin Posts: 2,380
    AndyJS said:

    JBriskin said:

    Sky - Lib Dems win a seat

    Where? London or SE?
    SE - Fresh

    Lib Dem 1

  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    UKIP sneak last seat over the lab lot
  • Carola
    Carola Posts: 1,805
    LD seat held by 16 votes??
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    Oh bugger, the pox won a seat! Clegg is a genius!
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    LDs win a seat by just 7,000 votes in SE according to Peter Kellner.
  • corporeal
    corporeal Posts: 2,549
    Polling shows growing support for staying in EU.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Con 80,000 ahead of Lab with whole of London to come.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Farage looking different tonight somehow. Bigger stature.
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    MikeL said:

    Con 80,000 ahead of Lab with whole of London to come.

    Yeah....labour should just get second then
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    edited May 2014
    Its not good news for the SNP who ran on a campaign ticket of keeping UKIP out of Scotland. And with the Conservative vote holding up well in Scotland, those votes that delivered a UKIP MEP up here didn't come from us....

    Twitter
    yescotland ‏@yescotland 51s
    Apparently SNP now have the same number of MEPs as Scotland has pandas. #voteno
    Stuart_Dickson said:

    fitalass said:

    I doubt a UKIP MEP gain in Scotland will bode well for the Yes vote betting in the Indy Ref?

    Stuart_Dickson said:

    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Rob Murray ‏@robmurray11 3m
    East Renfrewshire council: @ScotTories 8,044, Labour: 7,623, SNP: 6,564 #EPScot

    CON win in Jim Murphy's seat.
    I look forward to Darling welcoming UKIP into the Better Together team :)
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    Britain Elects 2014 ‏@britainelects 46s

    Liberal Democrats have held their sole seat by 16 votes.
  • dugarbandier
    dugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    kjohnw said:

    peter kellner saying no opposition who is behind on leadership ratings AND economy ratings has ever gone on to form a government. i.e. Ed is toast!

    Until Obama the US never had a black president, and has never had a woman president.

    They used to say no team bottom of the English premier league at Christmas could survive..

  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    UNS forecast update after 9 regions

    UKIP 25
    Lab 19
    Con 19
    LD 1
    Green 3

    Labour still ahead
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    corporeal said:

    Polling shows growing support for staying in EU.

    Polling isnt voting...
  • AndreaParma_82
    AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    I alert you that Tower Hamlets have not finished counting the local elections from Thursday...so I am not sure if they will ever finish counting the Euro ballots...

  • dugarbandier
    dugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    and in the midest of all this turmoil, Hamilton Accies are promoted, and Edinburgh has no teams in the top flight of Scottish Football
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited May 2014
    So the only regions that UKIP have not won are Scotland, Wales (by a few thousand), NE and London.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Hannan speech very impressive, IMHO. Very good. He's making a better UKIP speech than Farage.
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Speedy said:

    So the only regions that UKIP have not won are Scotland, Wales (by a few thousand) and London.

    So they won all of England then.
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    Speedy said:

    So the only regions that UKIP have not won are Scotland, Wales (by a few thousand) and London.

    And the north east!

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Stuck in update III.

    Goodnight everybody
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    Latest SKY share vote

    UKIP 31.3
    Con 24.9
    Labour 23.3
    Lib Dem 6.9
    Others 13.6
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    Can Tower Hamlets not just farm out their Euro count to another council, because this now turning into a joke for London.
    AndreaParma_82 said:

    I alert you that Tower Hamlets have not finished counting the local elections from Thursday...so I am not sure if they will ever finish counting the Euro ballots...

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Looks like Labour might just edge it in terms of votes with London and Scotland to come, but not much of a lead to take into the general election in 11 months' time.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    corporeal said:

    Polling shows growing support for staying in EU.

    But they don't want people enthusiastic about the way it is currently run to be in it, they want skeptics who will intentionally or otherwise be able to force change, as despite token suggestions the LDs would never be able to argue for serious change. Granted, Tories and Labour could not achieve any serious change either, but they could at least ask for it, and that's about all they can hope for I think.

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    AndreaParma_82 said:

    I alert you that Tower Hamlets have not finished counting the local elections from Thursday...so I am not sure if they will ever finish counting the Euro ballots...

    Yes, they really are a basketcase in every respect.
  • kjohnw
    kjohnw Posts: 1,456
    dugarbandier said:

    kjohnw said:

    peter kellner saying no opposition who is behind on leadership ratings AND economy ratings has ever gone on to form a government. i.e. Ed is toast!

    Until Obama the US never had a black president, and has never had a woman president.

    They used to say no team bottom of the English premier league at Christmas could survive..

    straws and clutching methinks !
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited May 2014
    LD win one MEP.
    Wet dream time?

    As a Lib Dem on here said last year about my forecast.

    "just 1 MEP is a wet dream of yours ." Name hidden to save embarrassment.

    So off to bed, £700 richer from a different two year old bet on UKIP.

    PS I will probably now have that betting account closed and forced elsewhere.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    edited May 2014
    marke09 said:

    Britain Elects 2014 ‏@britainelects 46s

    Liberal Democrats have held their sole seat by 16 votes.


    Wrong - they are innumerate - can't do primary school maths - hopeless.
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