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  • Grandiose
    Grandiose Posts: 2,323
    isam said:

    McLeod ‏@TerenceMcleod 4m

    #BBCElections Essex turning UKIP. They were the original Londoners before mass immigration.
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    Emily Thorberry.. is she a Labour poster on here??? Sounds like one

    It's that word "Essex" again. Castle Point and Southend are a long way from Chelmsford, Colchester, and Halstead.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    fitalass said:

    The three seats I had in mind were not mentioned in your post.

    hunchman said:

    fitalass said:

    Watch this space on WAK, and expect at least three other Libdems not mentioned in your post to keep their seats next year at the GE.

    hunchman said:

    fitalass said:

    One of his best ever public outings has to be his appearance on a Scottish BBC QuestionTime. I admit, I was half expecting a political car crash. But Jacob Rees Mogg proved me wrong big time. Not only did he manage to achieve what most Tory MP's failed to do on this programme back then, applause after his contributions, he got some genuine and appreciative laughter of his very dry humour. If I didn't know better, I would swear with a wit that dry, he must surely have some Highland blood in his veins. :)

    RobD said:

    I do enjoy a bit of Mogg.

    Was having a look on Electoral Calculus the other day fitalass. Assuming Scotland votes no in September, LibDems forecast to lose all their Scottish MP's apart from Charles Kennedy, Orkney & Shetland and Fife NE. Do you think Aberdeen W and Kincardine is going to go Tory? Or a tossup between them and the SNP?

    Chuka saying Labour didn't target Swindon! Who are you kidding when Ed went there?!!!!! LOL
    So Roxburgh and Berwickshire, Edinburgh West as the other potential holds?
    So you think they will hold Gordon? My sages say that will go SNP.
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    isam said:

    McLeod ‏@TerenceMcleod 4m

    #BBCElections Essex turning UKIP. They were the original Londoners before mass immigration.
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    Emily Thorberry.. is she a Labour poster on here??? Sounds like one

    Bold, they aren't the biggest party on any council are they?
    Essex opposition turning UKIP is more accurate
  • Garethofthevale
    Garethofthevale Posts: 503
    Thornberry on Sky is pretty dreadful - the voters have gieven Labour a big kick in some places and she is being patronising and condescending.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Grandiose said:

    isam said:

    McLeod ‏@TerenceMcleod 4m

    #BBCElections Essex turning UKIP. They were the original Londoners before mass immigration.
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    Emily Thorberry.. is she a Labour poster on here??? Sounds like one

    It's that word "Essex" again. Castle Point and Southend are a long way from Chelmsford, Colchester, and Halstead.
    No theyre not!
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Ed Conway @EdConwaySky

    There were 21 council seats up for election in Rotherham this year. UKIP just won 10 of them (having never had a seat on the council before)

  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Hull final results Lab 12 seats LD 6 seats Con 1 seat UKIP 1 seat
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Mark

    I thought UKIP had gained the council there?!?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    MarkSenior said:

    Hull final results Lab 12 seats LD 6 seats Con 1 seat UKIP 1 seat

    Thanks, wish there was a site where I could tell if a council had been fully declared.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    Dimbleweed doesn't even understand the concept of NOC gain after all these years! Staggering.
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Garethofthevale said:

    Thornberry on Sky is pretty dreadful - the voters have gieven Labour a big kick in some places and she is being patronising and condescending.

    She always was. She was always wheeled out to defend Brown

  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    The Yes supporters on twitter are ecstatic about the English election results.
    I wonder if Salmond would be up for debating Nigel Farage, the 'voice of England'.
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    dyedwoolie said:

    isam said:

    McLeod ‏@TerenceMcleod 4m

    #BBCElections Essex turning UKIP. They were the original Londoners before mass immigration.
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    Emily Thorberry.. is she a Labour poster on here??? Sounds like one

    Bold, they aren't the biggest party on any council are they?
    Essex opposition turning UKIP is more accurate
    Urban Essex has been Kipper since time immemorial.

    The only thing that has changed is that its status is now being recognised in polling returns.

  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    AveryLP said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    isam said:

    McLeod ‏@TerenceMcleod 4m

    #BBCElections Essex turning UKIP. They were the original Londoners before mass immigration.
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    Emily Thorberry.. is she a Labour poster on here??? Sounds like one

    Bold, they aren't the biggest party on any council are they?
    Essex opposition turning UKIP is more accurate
    Urban Essex has been Kipper since time immemorial.

    The only thing that has changed is that its status is now being recognised in polling returns.

    I spent a miserable two years living in urban Essex. It's a dire place to subsist
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Rotherham a poor result for Labour. But this I feel is local election result because of the child protection failings.
  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    She has the demeanour 'boss from hell' about her.
    isam said:

    Grandiose said:

    isam said:

    McLeod ‏@TerenceMcleod 4m

    #BBCElections Essex turning UKIP. They were the original Londoners before mass immigration.
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    Emily Thorberry.. is she a Labour poster on here??? Sounds like one

    It's that word "Essex" again. Castle Point and Southend are a long way from Chelmsford, Colchester, and Halstead.
    No theyre not!
  • Grandiose
    Grandiose Posts: 2,323
    isam said:

    Grandiose said:

    isam said:

    McLeod ‏@TerenceMcleod 4m

    #BBCElections Essex turning UKIP. They were the original Londoners before mass immigration.
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    Emily Thorberry.. is she a Labour poster on here??? Sounds like one

    It's that word "Essex" again. Castle Point and Southend are a long way from Chelmsford, Colchester, and Halstead.
    No theyre not!
    Your description described "Essex" as "The original Londoners before mass immigration". If you think that's true for Chelmsford, Colchester or Halstead you are having a laugh.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Cannock Chase, final popular vote figures:

    Lab 7,024 (34.98%)
    UKIP 6,691 (33.33%)
    Con 4,777 (23.79%)
    LD 1,120 (5.58%)
    Ind 389 (1.94%)
    Chase Ind 77 (0.38%)

    Changes since 2010:

    Lab -1.08%
    UKIP +33.33%
    Con -16.11%
    LD -16.98%
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    isam said:

    Grandiose said:

    isam said:

    McLeod ‏@TerenceMcleod 4m

    #BBCElections Essex turning UKIP. They were the original Londoners before mass immigration.
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    Emily Thorberry.. is she a Labour poster on here??? Sounds like one

    It's that word "Essex" again. Castle Point and Southend are a long way from Chelmsford, Colchester, and Halstead.
    No theyre not!
    Colchester isn't all that far from Sarfend...
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    LabourList @LabourList

    GAIN! Hearing Labour are taking control of Merton council http://ow.ly/xapjO #liveblog

  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    dyedwoolie said:

    AveryLP said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    isam said:

    McLeod ‏@TerenceMcleod 4m

    #BBCElections Essex turning UKIP. They were the original Londoners before mass immigration.
    Expand

    Emily Thorberry.. is she a Labour poster on here??? Sounds like one

    Bold, they aren't the biggest party on any council are they?
    Essex opposition turning UKIP is more accurate
    Urban Essex has been Kipper since time immemorial.

    The only thing that has changed is that its status is now being recognised in polling returns.

    I spent a miserable two years living in urban Essex. It's a dire place to subsist
    Why thanks!

    But anyway...

    The Enquirer ‏@Enquirernews 3m
    UKIP on a roll in Thurrock. Several more wins expected.
  • Oliver_PB
    Oliver_PB Posts: 397
    edited May 2014
    Poor result for Labour, bad result for the Conservative, great result for UKIP.

    As someone who wants Labour to win the next general, I'm generally feeling pretty positive about these results.
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    edited May 2014
    He can panic and fire off his gun all he likes, but a Conservative/UKIP coupon ain't going to happen. Why the Conservatives would want to do that, especially when its quite clear that UKIP has finally proved useful by lancing the toxic Conservative boil completely, and its soaking up the excess. Labour are currently leaking votes to UKIP tonight, they are now the discredited former Labour Government in Opposition led by Ed Miliband. Now more than ever, it will suit the Conservatives to keep some very clear blue water between themselves and UKIP in the run to the next GE. Could UKIP become the default home of Labour protest votes as it becomes ever more clear that Labour are going to lose the next GE under Ed Miliband?
    dyedwoolie said:

    Peter Bone gunning for a coupon election

  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    IOS said:

    Mark

    I thought UKIP had gained the council there?!?

    Lesson is ignore most rumours until results are announced . Holderness was a LD hold with a majority not a UKIP gain as rumoured . LD majority in 2010 was 171 and Labour won the ward in 2011 and 2012 easily .
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Grandiose said:

    isam said:

    Grandiose said:

    isam said:

    McLeod ‏@TerenceMcleod 4m

    #BBCElections Essex turning UKIP. They were the original Londoners before mass immigration.
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    Emily Thorberry.. is she a Labour poster on here??? Sounds like one

    It's that word "Essex" again. Castle Point and Southend are a long way from Chelmsford, Colchester, and Halstead.
    No theyre not!
    Your description described "Essex" as "The original Londoners before mass immigration". If you think that's true for Chelmsford, Colchester or Halstead you are having a laugh.
    No that applies to the part of \essex \i am from

    But to say Southend is nowhere nr Chelmsford is ridiculous
  • Oliver_PB
    Oliver_PB Posts: 397
    edited May 2014
    The idea of a coupon election is patently ridiculous. UKIP can't risk associating themselves with the toxic Tory brand.
  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    As someone who wants a Yes vote in Scotland, I'm feeling pretty positive about these results.
    Oliver_PB said:

    Poor result for Labour, bad result for the Conservative, great result for UKIP.

    As someone who wants Labour to win the next general, I'm generally feeling pretty positive about these results.

  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    old_labour said:

    The Yes supporters on twitter are ecstatic about the English election results.
    I wonder if Salmond would be up for debating Nigel Farage, the 'voice of England'.

    They'll grasp at any old straw - last week it was Con on the rise that was good news. Losers.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Grandiose said:


    Your description described "Essex" as "The original Londoners before mass immigration". If you think that's true for Chelmsford, Colchester or Halstead you are having a laugh.

    Grays :) ?
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tories hold Bournville by 298 votes over Labour.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Labour up 6 councillors so far.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Oliver_PB said:

    Poor result for Labour, bad result for the Conservative, great result for UKIP.

    As someone who wants Labour to win the next general, I'm generally feeling pretty positive about these results.

    Are you ?

    My cash on that bet isn't ! (Yes I have other bets...)
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Must go to bed now

    UKIP +43 so far.. Lab +6 Cons -36 LDs -14

    A decent start.. lets hope Havering is purple tmrw
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Story of the night

    As the Tories feast on the fine roast beef of old England, the Lib Dems are being allowed selected cuts of offal with Labour and the Kippers being left to fight over the bones.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Oliver_PB said:

    Poor result for Labour, bad result for the Conservative, great result for UKIP.

    As someone who wants Labour to win the next general, I'm generally feeling pretty positive about these results.

    Honestly, as someone who's done my fair share of spinning in favour of Labour on PB in my time, I find it hard to see any argument that these results are worse for the Tories than they are for Labour.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Labour doing fairly well in London !
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    Danny565 said:

    Oliver_PB said:

    Poor result for Labour, bad result for the Conservative, great result for UKIP.

    As someone who wants Labour to win the next general, I'm generally feeling pretty positive about these results.

    Honestly, as someone who's done my fair share of spinning in favour of Labour on PB in my time, I find it hard to see any argument that these results are worse for the Tories than they are for Labour.
    Kudos to Danny for the honesty there - unless Labour get some really good results from now on this is a dire result for them as the official opposition and goodness knows how they'll fare in the euros.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Final Broxbourne popular vote figures:

    Con: 10,725 (45.99%)
    UKIP: 7,655 (32.83%)
    Lab: 4,469 (19.17%)
    Ind: 259 (1.11%)
    LD: 210 (0.90%)

    Changes since 2010 locals:

    Con -13.69%
    UKIP +32.83%
    Lab -1.93%
    LD -10.36%

    BNP took 7.96% in 2010 but didn't stand this time.
  • MrJones
    MrJones Posts: 3,523
    Pulpstar said:

    Labour doing fairly well in London !

    They'll do fine in London.
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited May 2014
    felix said:

    Danny565 said:

    Oliver_PB said:

    Poor result for Labour, bad result for the Conservative, great result for UKIP.

    As someone who wants Labour to win the next general, I'm generally feeling pretty positive about these results.

    Honestly, as someone who's done my fair share of spinning in favour of Labour on PB in my time, I find it hard to see any argument that these results are worse for the Tories than they are for Labour.
    Kudos to Danny for the honesty there - unless Labour get some really good results from now on this is a dire result for them as the official opposition and goodness knows how they'll fare in the euros.
    Danny is a fine poster and a great addition to PB.

    His problem is that if he gets what he wants Labour would be in an even worse position than it is now.

    And to rub salt in the wound, the exact opposite is true of Dan Hodges.

    But not all is lost. He can take comfort in knowing that Michael Foot was a greater man, if not politician, than Tony Blair.

  • volcanopete
    volcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Tykejohnno said:


    LabourList @LabourList

    GAIN! Hearing Labour are taking control of Merton council http://ow.ly/xapjO #liveblog

    Good day for Stephen Alhambritis,ex FSB head.

  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    @AndyJS - Tandridge is all done:

    http://www.tandridge.gov.uk/YourCouncil/Elections/deresults2014.htm
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Council by election result Bedford UA Putnoe LD hold
    LD 1364 Con 707 UKIP 412 Lab 367 Green 94
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    So far labour have about 12 net gains and the tories 46 net losses - is that as expected?
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Again people - lets wait for the results.

    Labour won a parliamentary seat in Swindon based on tonight's results.
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Neil Hamilton fails to win council seat.

    Oh dear!
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    IOS said:

    Again people - lets wait for the results.

    Labour won a parliamentary seat in Swindon based on tonight's results.

    But they have fallen back compared to last year - and this year is not the GE!!
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RobD said:

    @AndyJS - Tandridge is all done:

    http://www.tandridge.gov.uk/YourCouncil/Elections/deresults2014.htm

    Thanks. I'll do it shortly.

    In the Orchard Park and Greenwood ward in Hull, the Tories polled 9 votes. There were 9,400 people eligible to vote.
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    We got tonked in Rotherham. Other places though the UKIP vote is just an anti Labour vote all voting UKIP.

    Labour will still win Rotherham at the general election though.
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    IOS said:

    We got tonked in Rotherham. Other places though the UKIP vote is just an anti Labour vote all voting UKIP.

    Labour will still win Rotherham at the general election though.

    PIE in the sky, IOS.

  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    @AndyJS - Tandridge is all done:

    http://www.tandridge.gov.uk/YourCouncil/Elections/deresults2014.htm

    Thanks. I'll do it shortly.

    In the Orchard Park and Greenwood ward in Hull, the Tories polled 9 votes. There were 9,400 people eligible to vote.
    Still more Tories than Scotland... apparently.... ;-)
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    I don't think Labour should accuse people of having no policies.

    Glass houses, pots and kettles spring to mind !
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Hull — completed popular vote figures:

    Lab 17,777 (39.85%)
    UKIP 11,804 (26.46%)
    LD 10,296 (23.08%)
    Con 3,201 (7.18%)
    Green 1,287 (2.88%)
    Ind 150 (0.34%)
    TUSC 97 (0.22%)

    Changes since 2010 locals:

    Lab -2.38%
    UKIP +24.37%
    LD -11.40%
    Con -6.53%
    Green +0.85%
    Ind -2.11%
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    So I have the following councils completed, I got most of the information from their websites so the vote totals should be there toL

    Broxbourne
    Cannock Chase
    Castle Point
    Sunderland
    Hertsmere
    Kingston-upon-Hull
    South Tyneside
    Southend-on-Sea
    Rotherham
    Runnymede
    Swindon
    Tandridge
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    First result from Maidstone UKIP gain Shepway South from Con
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Also Wigan is now complete
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited May 2014
    Swing of 5% from Cons to Labour since 2010? That doesn't seem to tally with what we've heard...
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Danny565 said:

    Swing of 5% from Labour to Cons since 2010? That doesn't seem to tally with what we've heard...

    National vote on that swing Tory 32, Labour 34. In line with current polling.

  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Hmm Could UKIP dramatically increase the efficiency of the Conservative vote at the GE... ?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Sandwell also done (and now I'll stop spamming!)
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    After 26 councils declared SKY say
    Con -32 seats
    Labour +1
    LD -12
    UKIP +40
    others +5
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Labour would have gained both Swindon seats
  • volcanopete
    volcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Surely it's time for Lab/Con to change the record.Hardworking families and longterm economic repeated as infinitum is starting to grate.Another month or two and they will increasingly cause nausia.Imagine another year of this.
    Please can they talk in a language people understand.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    New Labour prat Patrick Diamond showing why the party is in such a mess. He can't seriously think people are voting UKIP for "economic credibility".
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Labour voters never particularly bothered about European elections, quite hopeful for my tricast bet.

    They do tend to get out of bed for a General Election though, that's about it !
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    Any London votes yet ?
  • Oliver_PB
    Oliver_PB Posts: 397
    edited May 2014
    I'm not spinning, I honestly think these results aren't a bad sign for Labour at the general.

    First, Labour will do worse in the local and European elections than the general because of the makeup of their voter base. The greater turnout at the general will disproportionately benefit Labour. Labour did disproportionately well in the locals in 2010 for that reason.

    Secondly, look at the changes. The Tory vote is disproportionately eroding to UKIP, which is a net benefit to Labour. Labour losing votes and councillors to UKIP in safe Labour seats is not a major issue at the general as they will still win those seats. UKIP may have gained a lot of councillors in Rotherham, but does anyone honestly think UKIP has a chance in hell of winning Rotherham at the general?
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited May 2014
    IOS said:

    Labour would have gained both Swindon seats

    You are living in the pluperfect subjunctive, IOS.

    The Euro/council elections see voters on holiday. They are in Ibiza for a week and have left their partners behind at home. They will play.

    If Labour can't score in this holiday environment they need to see a doctor.
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Purbeck DC final result Con 6 LD 2 LD gain 1 from Conservatives
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    ocals - Con lose #Brentwood to NOC #LE2014
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Phew, only 7.4% of seats declared. I need a quick break!!
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Oliver_PB said:

    I'm not spinning, I honestly think these results aren't a bad sign for Labour at the general.

    First, Labour will do worse in the local and European elections than the general because of the makeup of their voter base. The greater turnout at the general benefits Labour.

    Secondly, look at the changes. The Tory vote is disproportionately eroding to UKIP, which is a net benefit to Labour. Labour losing votes to UKIP in safe Labour seats is not a major issue as they will still win those seats. UKIP may have gained a lot of councillors in Rotherham, but does anyone honestly think UKIP has a chance in hell of winning Rotherham at the general?

    No, but I wouldn't go backing Labour at long odds on there ^_=
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tandridge, final popular vote figures:

    Con 9,537 (46.30%)
    UKIP 5,264 (25.56%)
    LD 3,750 (18.21%)
    Lab 2,032 (9.87%)
    Eng Dem 15 (0.07%)

    Changes on 2010 locals:

    Con -8.55%
    UKIP +18.38%
    LD -12.57%
    Lab +4.15
  • MrJones
    MrJones Posts: 3,523
    Oliver_PB said:

    I'm not spinning, I honestly think these results aren't a bad sign for Labour at the general.

    First, Labour will do worse in the local and European elections than the general because of the makeup of their voter base. The greater turnout at the general will disproportionately benefit Labour. Labour did disproportionately well in the locals in 2010 for that reason.

    Secondly, look at the changes. The Tory vote is disproportionately eroding to UKIP, which is a net benefit to Labour. Labour losing votes and councillors to UKIP in safe Labour seats is not a major issue at the general as they will still win those seats. UKIP may have gained a lot of councillors in Rotherham, but does anyone honestly think UKIP has a chance in hell of winning Rotherham at the general?

    There'd need to be a very public inquiry into why Lab turned a blind eye to the grooming gangs to guarantee a Lab wipeout in places like Rotherham and Hull.
  • Oliver_PB
    Oliver_PB Posts: 397
    MrJones said:

    Oliver_PB said:

    I'm not spinning, I honestly think these results aren't a bad sign for Labour at the general.

    First, Labour will do worse in the local and European elections than the general because of the makeup of their voter base. The greater turnout at the general will disproportionately benefit Labour. Labour did disproportionately well in the locals in 2010 for that reason.

    Secondly, look at the changes. The Tory vote is disproportionately eroding to UKIP, which is a net benefit to Labour. Labour losing votes and councillors to UKIP in safe Labour seats is not a major issue at the general as they will still win those seats. UKIP may have gained a lot of councillors in Rotherham, but does anyone honestly think UKIP has a chance in hell of winning Rotherham at the general?

    There'd need to be a very public inquiry into why Lab turned a blind eye to the grooming gangs to guarantee a Lab wipeout in places like Rotherham and Hull.
    The Labour candidate could be a member of a grooming gang in Rotherham and they'd still win there.
  • MrJones
    MrJones Posts: 3,523
    Oliver_PB said:

    MrJones said:

    Oliver_PB said:

    I'm not spinning, I honestly think these results aren't a bad sign for Labour at the general.

    First, Labour will do worse in the local and European elections than the general because of the makeup of their voter base. The greater turnout at the general will disproportionately benefit Labour. Labour did disproportionately well in the locals in 2010 for that reason.

    Secondly, look at the changes. The Tory vote is disproportionately eroding to UKIP, which is a net benefit to Labour. Labour losing votes and councillors to UKIP in safe Labour seats is not a major issue at the general as they will still win those seats. UKIP may have gained a lot of councillors in Rotherham, but does anyone honestly think UKIP has a chance in hell of winning Rotherham at the general?

    There'd need to be a very public inquiry into why Lab turned a blind eye to the grooming gangs to guarantee a Lab wipeout in places like Rotherham and Hull.
    The Labour candidate could be a member of a grooming gang in Rotherham and they'd still win there.
    not yet
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Wheres that seat the Midlands chap reckoned could be a CON gain at GE2015 ?
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The fact that Labour aren't confident of winning Croydon is interesting.
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    First 2 results from Eastleigh , both easy LD holds
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Pulpstar said:

    Wheres that seat the Midlands chap reckoned could be a CON gain at GE2015 ?

    Birmingham Northfield
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    BBC - Labour have lost Thurrock.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    What happened to the Green candidate in Park Gate, Fareham?
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Maidstone 6 results in 2Con holds 2 LD holds 2 UKIP gains from Con
  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    I am well and truly pissed off that the BBC has closed down its electoral coverage for the night.
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Sky saying Con gain St Albans
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Can anyone get hold of the detailed Tamworth results? Thanks.
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    CON GAIN ST ALBANS
  • Oliver_PB
    Oliver_PB Posts: 397
    dyedwoolie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Wheres that seat the Midlands chap reckoned could be a CON gain at GE2015 ?

    Birmingham Northfield
    Out of interest, why did they think Birmingham Northfield would be a Tory gain? Shifting demographics?
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    LIB DEMS HOLD EASTLEIGH
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    old_labour said:

    I am well and truly pissed off that the BBC has closed down its electoral coverage for the night.

    Switch to Sky!

  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Oliver_PB said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Wheres that seat the Midlands chap reckoned could be a CON gain at GE2015 ?

    Birmingham Northfield
    Out of interest, why did they think Birmingham Northfield would be a Tory gain? Shifting demographics?
    UKIP to Labour, Tory holding up
  • Oliver_PB
    Oliver_PB Posts: 397
    AndyJS said:

    Can anyone get hold of the detailed Tamworth results? Thanks.

    http://www.tamworth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/councillors_docs/LOCAL COUNT CONTROL 2014 SG 210514 Web.pdf
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Con gain St Albans.

    Where is Verulamius?
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    AndyJS said:

    Can anyone get hold of the detailed Tamworth results? Thanks.

    http://www.tamworth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/councillors_docs/LOCAL COUNT CONTROL 2014 SG 210514 Web.pdf

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Fareham - popular votes:

    Con 16,278 (48.38%)
    LD 7,170 (21.31%)
    UKIP 5,178 (15.39%)
    Lab 3,581 (10.64%)
    Ind 1,123 (3.34%)
    Green 313 (0.93%)

    Changes since 2010 locals:

    Con -1.89%
    LD -15.78%
    UKIP +14.34%
    Lab +0.61%
    Ind +2.99%
    Green -0.04%
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sky News messed up earlier by saying the Tories had lost Tamworth, when in fact they'd held it.
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    SKY CORRECTION AGAIN : ST ALBANS REMAINS NOC
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    St Albans remains NOC, not Tory gain
  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited May 2014
    Winston McKenzie on Sky News now.
  • SirBenjamin
    SirBenjamin Posts: 238
    UKIP effect in Wandsworth - A couple of Tory wards now splitting 2CON/1LAB. Suggests that Tories voted for the one UKIP candidate and two Tories letting in the highest polling Lab candidate. Labour will have their biggest presence on the flagship Tory council in 24 years.
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