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  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Stark_Dawning said:

    UKIP lose seat in Tyneside.

    Did they put it down somewhere and then forget about it?

  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    Thanks, AndyJS.
    AndyJS said:

    We have our first full council result from Sunderland:

    Votes:

    Lab: 32,344
    UKIP: 16,961
    Con: 13,571
    Ind: 2,674
    LD: 2,569
    Green: 1,263
    Others: 424

    Percentages:

    Lab: 46.33%
    UKIP: 24.30%
    Con: 19.44%
    Ind: 3.83%
    LD: 3.68%
    Green: 1.81%
    Others: 0.61%

    Changes since 2010 locals:

    Lab -2.64%
    UKIP +24.30%
    Con -5.76%
    Ind -0.14%
    LD -14.57%
    Green +1.53%

    Swing, 1.56% from Con to Lab

  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Rob

    No you were right. That was the council people on here were claiming UKIP had taken of Labour. Of course nonsense but it shows how hyper excited UKIP supporters are.

    Fact is they are cleaning up the anti Labour vote in Labour heartlands but not winning many seats.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Stark_Dawning said:

    UKIP lose seat in Tyneside.

    Shocking manners - should always give up your chair for the elderly.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    CON have gained Swindon.

    Anyone know of any councils which have fully declared, apart from Sunderland and South Tyneside.
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Curtice: Lab down 15 points on 2012 and a fraction below 2010.

    IOS is still waiting for dawn. She is proving hard to get.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Eek. John Curtice saying Labour's vote might be DOWN on their abysmal 2010 level.
  • ukLibertarian
    ukLibertarian Posts: 16
    edited May 2014
    Putting Hartlepool First take Hart ward,

    UKIP take Seaton Ward.

    Labour hold Foggy Furze
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP go from nothing to 29% in Longbridge.
  • Eh_ehm_a_eh
    Eh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    Who's this Labour loon on Sky?
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Based on the results so far betting on UKIP winning most votes in European Elections must be absolutely nailed on.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    AndyJS said:

    First result from Birmingham and UKIP just miss out in Longbridge:

    Lab 1669
    Con 1598
    UKIP 1544
    Green 238
    LD 157
    TUSC 55

    They were hoping for 2nd ?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    Using their own definition of control prior to election, Swindon wasn't a hold, it was a gain
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Con hold Swindon. goodbye Ed
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Hull so far Lab 6 holds LD 1 hold
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Does Chukka work as a tic tac man?
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    Conservatives holding Swindon, the fact that Labour can't take that with its 2 marginal seats is a pretty damning verdict on Labour.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    BBC Politics ✔ @BBCPolitics

    #Vote2014 COUNCIL RESULT: Conservatives hold Swindon http://bbc.in/1lYwV19

  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Eh_ehm_a_eh: Can't be worse than Chuka surely?
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    dr_spyn said:

    Does Chukka work as a tic tac man?

    More tick tock.

  • old_labour
    old_labour Posts: 3,238
    Emily Thornberry (lab, Islington).
    Isam's cat and I have the same reaction towards Barbara Roache who ironically lost her seat to Lynne Featherstone, Lib Dem bod on BBC.
    Eh_ehm_a_eh said:

    Who's this Labour loon on Sky?

  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    ukLibertarian said:

    Labour hold Foggy Furze

    A cuddly comfort toy?

  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    RobD said:

    Using their own definition of control prior to election, Swindon wasn't a hold, it was a gain

    I thought the definition was control based upon last elections results. IE defections etc don't count.

  • Eh_ehm_a_eh
    Eh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Eh_ehm_a_eh: Can't be worse than Chuka surely?


    She's a gibbering fool. Claiming 150 gains would be a good night for Labour.
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    The utter collapse of left wing politics is upon us. Tory/UKIP tacit pact sees a landslide
  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    Graham Stringer just sticking a breadknife into ed miliband's ribs...
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    From the BBC Vote 2013 website:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22109690
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Labour mp absolutely giving it to Miliband on BBC... Labour have to offer a referendum he says
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Labour to stick referendum on EU I reckon
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    Are we expecting Dan Hedges to make a dramatic 4am intervention?
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Lib Dems hold Acocks Green in Bitmingham won by Labour in 2011 and 2012
  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    Labour MPs b8tchfighting on TV now...
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    old_labour said:

    Thanks, AndyJS.

    AndyJS said:

    We have our first full council result from Sunderland:

    Votes:

    Lab: 32,344
    UKIP: 16,961
    Con: 13,571
    Ind: 2,674
    LD: 2,569
    Green: 1,263
    Others: 424

    Percentages:

    Lab: 46.33%
    UKIP: 24.30%
    Con: 19.44%
    Ind: 3.83%
    LD: 3.68%
    Green: 1.81%
    Others: 0.61%

    Changes since 2010 locals:

    Lab -2.64%
    UKIP +24.30%
    Con -5.76%
    Ind -0.14%
    LD -14.57%
    Green +1.53%

    Swing, 1.56% from Con to Lab

    Thanks old_labour, my head is already spinning and there are still 64 councils to go tonight...
  • Garethofthevale
    Garethofthevale Posts: 503
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Based on the results so far betting on UKIP winning most votes in European Elections must be absolutely nailed on.

    Allowing for ticket splitting then surely UKIP must be on 30% plus.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Eh_ehm_a_eh said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Eh_ehm_a_eh: Can't be worse than Chuka surely?


    She's a gibbering fool. Claiming 150 gains would be a good night for Labour.
    That's the official party line. Chuka did even worse, he claimed it'd be difficult to make any gains as 2010 was a good year for Labour.
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Lol, Labour already like rats in a sack
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    Labour mp absolutely giving it to Miliband on BBC... Labour have to offer a referendum he says

    That would be abject surrender from where he has positioned himself.

  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    I couldn't be happier, the left is dying
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    MarkSenior said:

    Lib Dems hold Acocks Green in Bitmingham won by Labour in 2011 and 2012

    Which constituency Mark ?

  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Lab 62 - UKIP 3

  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited May 2014
    Where's 'pouter?

    Red on Red incoming. Multiple explosions.
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    Spot on! And rather than those Libdem to Lab switchers shoring up a Labour win, it appears that its Lab to UKIP switchers which is going to be causing a bigger headache for Ed Miliband tomorrow.
    MarqueeMark said:

    IOS, we are in the unusual situation where two of the three major parties are in Government. However, rather than the third party, Labour, hoovering up the protest votes against the Govt. of the day, it has so little appeal to voters that the voters have effectively gone off and formed a fourth party to be the new opposition.

    If that counts as an acceptable night, it may be time for bed!

  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    taffys said:

    Graham Stringer just sticking a breadknife into ed miliband's ribs...

    Got time for Graham Stringer - caustic line about Ed not knowing about the price of his shopping! Also he stood up and voted against the Climatic Research Unit with his scientific background. And I think he understands the reality on the ground so much better than a career politician like Chuka.
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    BBc and Sky all over the place with their numbers - BBC say 8 councils have declared SKY say 4
    BBC say Labour have 64 seats SKy say 128
  • Eh_ehm_a_eh
    Eh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    dyedwoolie said:

    I couldn't be happier, the left is dying

    Not in Scotland.
    But nights like this might just see Scotland give a cheery wave bye bye.

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    marke09 said:

    BBc and Sky all over the place with their numbers - BBC say 8 councils have declared SKY say 4
    BBC say Labour have 64 seats SKy say 128

    It depends whether you wait for all the results to be declared, or just enough for one party to be guaranteed a majority.

    Because I'm concentrating on votes I can't finish a council until I have the full results from every ward, which is why Sunderland is the only completed council on my results page.
  • ukLibertarian
    ukLibertarian Posts: 16
    H'Pool: Jesmond looks like it has gone to #ukip. Official announcements shortly
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    Britain Elects 2014 ‏@britainelects 6m

    Conservatives HOLD Swindon, apparently a Labour target.

    also gain a seat
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Council by election result Redcar/Cleveland UA Dormanstown LD hold
    LD 753 Lab 741 UKIP 523

    In Redcar Parliamentary seat
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    JackW said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Lib Dems hold Acocks Green in Bitmingham won by Labour in 2011 and 2012

    Which constituency Mark ?

    Acocks Green is still Yardley I think.


  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    When will the BBC learn how to present data with plain backgrounds. Must be employing Ed's presentation team.
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Eh_ehm_a_eh said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    I couldn't be happier, the left is dying

    Not in Scotland.
    But nights like this might just see Scotland give a cheery wave bye bye.

    True. But the wise Scots will find the way that works for them
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft 6m

    Don't be surprised if after these elections there will be pressure on Labour to offer a referendum on Europe
  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    nd I think he understands the reality on the ground so much better than a career politician like Chuka.

    Two senior labour MPs arguing on TV like they were arguing with someone from another party....its amazing what pressure does to people.
  • ukLibertarian
    ukLibertarian Posts: 16
    UKIP have taken Paston and have their first ever seat on Peterborough City Council
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Unitary councils spreadsheet:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dExDeE16eDhiSU1UUjl0ZlQ2NWhHMnc&usp=sheets_web#gid=0
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sky News - things are very tight in Croydon.
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    One of his best ever public outings has to be his appearance on a Scottish BBC QuestionTime. I admit, I was half expecting a political car crash. But Jacob Rees Mogg proved me wrong big time. Not only did he manage to achieve what most Tory MP's failed to do on this programme back then, applause after his contributions, he got some genuine and appreciative laughter of his very dry humour. If I didn't know better, I would swear with a wit that dry, he must surely have some Highland blood in his veins. :)
    RobD said:

    I do enjoy a bit of Mogg.

  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Rob Wilson ✔ @RobWilson_RDG

    Labour leader of Rotherham has just lost his seat to UKIP.

  • ukLibertarian
    ukLibertarian Posts: 16
    MP for Reading East has confirmed Labour leader of Rotherham Council has lost his seat to Ukip
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Is Ed in danger ?
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    MarqueeMark said:

    JackW said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Lib Dems hold Acocks Green in Bitmingham won by Labour in 2011 and 2012

    Which constituency Mark ?

    Acocks Green is still Yardley I think.


    Thanks MM

  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Cambridge Redbridge...
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Chukka says Swindon wasn't a target. Lol, dying
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Full Swindon results (apart from one or two missing candidates):

    http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/election_2014/the_candidates/
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    fitalass said:

    One of his best ever public outings has to be his appearance on a Scottish BBC QuestionTime. I admit, I was half expecting a political car crash. But Jacob Rees Mogg proved me wrong big time. Not only did he manage to achieve what most Tory MP's failed to do on this programme back then, applause after his contributions, he got some genuine and appreciative laughter of his very dry humour. If I didn't know better, I would swear with a wit that dry, he must surely have some Highland blood in his veins. :)

    RobD said:

    I do enjoy a bit of Mogg.

    Was having a look on Electoral Calculus the other day fitalass. Assuming Scotland votes no in September, LibDems forecast to lose all their Scottish MP's apart from Charles Kennedy, Orkney & Shetland and Fife NE. Do you think Aberdeen W and Kincardine is going to go Tory? Or a tossup between them and the SNP?

    Chuka saying Labour didn't target Swindon! Who are you kidding when Ed went there?!!!!! LOL
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Redbridge Labour ffs - who is the guy kidding.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    dyedwoolie said:

    Chukka says Swindon wasn't a target. Lol, dying

    Deciding not to vote Labour anymore feels so good.

    Chuku Umunna and Emily Thornberry FFS

    Essex going purple... thought as much
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    Chuka is going to have to learn to lie better if he wants to progress in politics. Swindon not a Labour target council? What bollocks!
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Labour 5.4/1000 on most votes Betfair now.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Kingston didn't the former LD leader get put away for child porn?
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    Ed Davey LOL. I will be very happy to see him gone as an MP in 12 months time hopefully for what he is doing over our crazy 20% renewables 2020 EU energy implementation.
  • john_zims
    john_zims Posts: 3,399
    One Nation Labour going backwards in Swindon.
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Chukka.
    Wasn't he the future once?
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    TGOHF said:

    Is Ed in danger ?

    Looks like Ed Davey might be.

  • Grandiose
    Grandiose Posts: 2,323
    isam said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Chukka says Swindon wasn't a target. Lol, dying

    Deciding not to vote Labour anymore feels so good.

    Chuku Umunna and Emily Thornberry FFS

    Essex going purple... thought as much
    Not my part of Essex... seems a long way away.
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    AveryLP said:

    TGOHF said:

    Is Ed in danger ?

    Looks like Ed Davey might be.

    As near to conceding before the result as you'll get

    Lib Dems, losing here
  • ukLibertarian
    ukLibertarian Posts: 16
    James Vincent @BBCJamesVincent · 1m

    Ukip wins Dinnington in #Rotherham takes it from labour
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    isam said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Chukka says Swindon wasn't a target. Lol, dying

    Deciding not to vote Labour anymore feels so good.

    Chuku Umunna and Emily Thornberry FFS

    Essex going purple... thought as much


    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    John Curtice: Together with UKIP gains in Basildon "it looks as though Essex man has now become UKIP man" #Vote2014


  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    It's not surprising that Labour didn't take Swindon - Swindon's economy has been doing well in recent years.

    Sky is reporting that Labour may take Trafford. That would not be surprising either, since Trafford is part of one of the Core Cities, which are Labour's major electoral strongholds.
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    UKIP gain 2 each so far in Southend and Castle Point.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Grandiose said:

    isam said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Chukka says Swindon wasn't a target. Lol, dying

    Deciding not to vote Labour anymore feels so good.

    Chuku Umunna and Emily Thornberry FFS

    Essex going purple... thought as much
    Not my part of Essex... seems a long way away.
    Really? What part are you from?
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    LD hold Sheldon ward on Birmingham council = also in Yardley constituency .
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Final result, Swindon popular votes:

    Con 18,476 (32.99%)
    Lab 17,593 (31.41%)
    UKIP 12,331 (22.02%)
    LD 4,741 (8.46%)
    Green 2,507 (4.48%)
    Ind 347 (0.62%)
    Others 14 (0.02%)

    Changes:

    Con -9.54%
    Lab +0.94%
    UKIP +19.99%
    LD -13.31%
    Green +3.35%
    Ind +0.46%

    Swing, Con to Lab: 5.24%
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    Anyone know if Cheshunt South & Theobalds on Broxbourne was a CON hold, that's my last seat missing there.
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Tykejohnno said:

    isam said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Chukka says Swindon wasn't a target. Lol, dying

    Deciding not to vote Labour anymore feels so good.

    Chuku Umunna and Emily Thornberry FFS

    Essex going purple... thought as much


    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    John Curtice: Together with UKIP gains in Basildon "it looks as though Essex man has now become UKIP man" #Vote2014


    College will have to start wearing white shoes.

    Might clash with the OE tie though.

  • Garethofthevale
    Garethofthevale Posts: 503
    isam said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Chukka says Swindon wasn't a target. Lol, dying

    Deciding not to vote Labour anymore feels so good.

    Chuku Umunna and Emily Thornberry FFS

    Essex going purple... thought as much
    Chukka is dreadful. It started me thinking about who Labour OUGHT to elect if Mili loses next year. Maybe Stella Creasy? They'll probably elect Yvette who will only be marginally better.
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    Rob Wilson ‏@RobWilson_RDG 13m

    Labour leader of Rotherham has just lost his seat to UKIP.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    AndyJS said:

    Final result, Swindon popular votes:

    Con 18,476 (32.99%)
    Lab 17,593 (31.41%)
    UKIP 12,331 (22.02%)
    LD 4,741 (8.46%)
    Green 2,507 (4.48%)
    Ind 347 (0.62%)
    Others 14 (0.02%)

    Changes:

    Con -9.54%
    Lab +0.94%
    UKIP +19.99%
    LD -13.31%
    Green +3.35%
    Ind +0.46%

    Swing, Con to Lab: 5.24%

    Very interesting... Con gain council seats even though thats a 5% swing or so to labour.
  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    Lib Dems, losing here

    It's been written here ad nauseam that the lib dems would do better in Lib dem/con in the south fights than in the country as a whole.

    How does that assertion look now??
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    How many seats have UKIP gained off Labour so far. Not increased vote share. Actual seats.
  • ukLibertarian
    ukLibertarian Posts: 16
    edited May 2014
    Overall Results so far (Councillors)......

    UKIP +9
    LABOUR +3
    CONSERVATIVES -10
    LIBDEMS -3
    OTHERS +1
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Garethofthevale said:

    isam said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Chukka says Swindon wasn't a target. Lol, dying

    Deciding not to vote Labour anymore feels so good.

    Chuku Umunna and Emily Thornberry FFS

    Essex going purple... thought as much
    Chukka is dreadful. It started me thinking about who Labour OUGHT to elect if Mili loses next year. Maybe Stella Creasy? They'll probably elect Yvette who will only be marginally better.
    Andy Burnham is the only choice. Everyone else in the shadow cabinet are utterly useless.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tories have GAINED Kingstanding from Labour compared to 2010.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    IOS said:

    How many seats have UKIP gained off Labour so far. Not increased vote share. Actual seats.

    This is why I made my sheet, so we can see who gained off who. Trying to update as quick as I can...

    http://goo.gl/4AJwpD
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Final result, Swindon popular votes:

    Con 18,476 (32.99%)
    Lab 17,593 (31.41%)
    UKIP 12,331 (22.02%)
    LD 4,741 (8.46%)
    Green 2,507 (4.48%)
    Ind 347 (0.62%)
    Others 14 (0.02%)

    Changes:

    Con -9.54%
    Lab +0.94%
    UKIP +19.99%
    LD -13.31%
    Green +3.35%
    Ind +0.46%

    Swing, Con to Lab: 5.24%

    Very interesting... Con gain council seats even though thats a 5% swing or so to labour.
    Yes Labour must have got the swings in the wrong places.

    But the main point is the Tories stayed ahead in the popular vote in a town with two marginal seats.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Garethofthevale said:

    isam said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Chukka says Swindon wasn't a target. Lol, dying

    Deciding not to vote Labour anymore feels so good.

    Chuku Umunna and Emily Thornberry FFS

    Essex going purple... thought as much
    Chukka is dreadful. It started me thinking about who Labour OUGHT to elect if Mili loses next year. Maybe Stella Creasy? They'll probably elect Yvette who will only be marginally better.
    Stella Creasey is not the answer for labour... a groovy wannabe londoner who buzzes off the diversity of the stow precisely because she is from manchester

    Jon Cruddas is the answer
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited May 2014
    AndyJS said:

    Final result, Swindon popular votes:

    Con 18,476 (32.99%)
    Lab 17,593 (31.41%)
    UKIP 12,331 (22.02%)
    LD 4,741 (8.46%)
    Green 2,507 (4.48%)
    Ind 347 (0.62%)
    Others 14 (0.02%)

    Changes:

    Con -9.54%
    Lab +0.94%
    UKIP +19.99%
    LD -13.31%
    Green +3.35%
    Ind +0.46%

    Swing, Con to Lab: 5.24%

    Hmph, those vote %s aren't quite as abysmal as I was fearing for Labour.
  • ukLibertarian
    ukLibertarian Posts: 16
    BBC WM 95.6 @bbcwm · 2m

    UKIP win in Hawks Green, Cannock
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    isam said:

    Garethofthevale said:

    isam said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Chukka says Swindon wasn't a target. Lol, dying

    Deciding not to vote Labour anymore feels so good.

    Chuku Umunna and Emily Thornberry FFS

    Essex going purple... thought as much
    Chukka is dreadful. It started me thinking about who Labour OUGHT to elect if Mili loses next year. Maybe Stella Creasy? They'll probably elect Yvette who will only be marginally better.
    Stella Creasey is not the answer for labour... a groovy wannabe londoner who buzzes off the diversity of the stow precisely because she is from manchester

    Jon Cruddas is the answer
    I doubt Cruddas with all his impenetrable waffle about "devolution" would do anything good.
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