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  • malcolmg said:

    OKC, out of beer , and too early for anything else. Whisky is not for drinking in the sun.

    How's Mrs G?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,101
    MaxPB said:

    A large reduction in hospital admissions leading to a reduction in positive test results. That clearly isn't happening. I went out for my daily exercise and shop today and it was almost like a normal weekend day in the sun in this part of NW London.
    They are a thick bunch in London for sure.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    Chris said:

    Are hospital admissions going up or down? Does anyone know?
    That was featuring as a slide in the press briefing, did they not show it again today?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    MaxPB said:

    A large reduction in hospital admissions leading to a reduction in positive test results. That clearly isn't happening. I went out for my daily exercise and shop today and it was almost like a normal weekend day in the sun in this part of NW London.
    Then the lockdown will continue.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Its observation bias. The arsehole cyclists/joggers (of which there are too many) are the ones that you remember. The decent ones (which are probably a majority to be fair) get forgotten about as moot.

    If I'm going through a set of traffic lights I don't think about the cyclist respecting the lights. I do think about the idiots that don't think the red light applied to them.
    On the way to my daughters school there is a crossroads. The number of cyclists who think it is ok to shoot through red lights at speed when hordes of kids are trying to cross always amazes me
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,918
    DougSeal said:

    That consistency is a encouraging sign, The rate of increase is steady, if not falling slightly, and shows much the same pattern as Italy did at this stage. That is what is important. It will plateau (it could be said to be doing so already) that and then start falling. And we have not had today’s figures yet.
    It just reflects the fact that the number of people tested is nearly the same every day!
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    malcolmg said:

    missing the huge backlog from England as well.
    PS: Scotland was only around 40
    You really do take any comment about Scotland by anyone not from Scotland far too personally.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    malcolmg said:

    I have had to make do with being out in the garden. Got the garden furniture out and planted a few flowers. Relaxing now with a vodka and listening to the birdsong.

    Vodka is hard liquor!
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    MaxPB said:

    I'm not talking about the death rate, I mean the infection rate. It is constantly at 4-6k extra people per day and not falling.
    I am fairly sure its been said, but that's not the infection rate.

    At most, its a ca. 5-7 day lag on something that might be related to the infection rate.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    malcolmg said:

    OKC, out of beer , and too early for anything else. Whisky is not for drinking in the sun.
    Handy that you are at such a high latitude. In the winter, at least. ;)
  • RobD said:

    That was featuring as a slide in the press briefing, did they not show it again today?
    Up 34% since last week but down 0.5% in the last 24 hours I thought it said?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    Floater said:

    Not the first time he has spouted incorrect figures for Sweden
    I was looking at the worldometer numbers for Sweden yesterday. Someone a couple of weeks ago made a comparison between Sweden and Portugal as they are very close to each other in terms of population.

    Sweden now has (or had yesterday) almost twice the number of deaths per million people compared to Portugal. Actually just went and checked and today it is exactly double.

    86 deaths per million people in Sweden
    43 deaths per million people in Portugal.

    Although interestingly Portugal has over 60% higher number of detected cases.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536

    Still wrong to sack people for this no matter how obnoxious their comments are. I can understand the union wanting to distance themselves and probably some sort of punishment but taking away someone's livelihood for speaking their minds just seems wrong to me. Same with the idiot Mayor the other day. Right to sack her from her political opposition where she is supposed to be representing her whole community but wrong to sack her from her job as well.

    I doubt Toby sees it this way though. Courage of convictions doesn't seem to be one of his strong points.
    Given the RMT bang on about safety, I don't think it's acceptable for their leader to make such a comment.
  • ABZABZ Posts: 441
    The slides on hospital admissions and admissions to ICU units shows that both have declined over the last 24h (2% and 0.5%) - that's (I think) the first time we've seen declines in both. Certainly better than massive rises... let's hope it starts to form a trend over the next few days.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    I'm well aware.
    I was going from the wikipidia Page, my bad:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Sweden

  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    edited April 2020
    Now, one stat that might be interesting is # hospital admissions.

    I do not think this is back-logged like deaths, it doesn't have the issues of the tested data, its big enough to shake off random changes.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eTKeK9vRxgw0KhvKxPCaDrfaHnxQP-n9TsLzsEymviY/htmlview#

    COVID19 Inpatients tab in this is what I would call a green shoot.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,918
    RobD said:

    That was featuring as a slide in the press briefing, did they not show it again today?
    Do you mean the slide showing the number of people in hospital?

  • eekeek Posts: 29,738
    tlg86 said:

    Given the RMT bang on about safety, I don't think it's acceptable for their leader to make such a comment.
    In both cases keeping the person brings the organisation they work for into disrepute.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    Chris said:

    Do you mean the slide showing the number of people in hospital?

    Ah, yes, I now remember the confusion over what that plot was showing.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Then the lockdown will continue.
    But it's not a proper lockdown. It's an economic lockdown, not a population lockdown.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    edited April 2020
    malcolmg said:

    OKC, out of beer , and too early for anything else. Whisky is not for drinking in the sun.
    See what you mean; whisky drinking needs rain. Actually, IME, gin is better in the sun. Mrs C is drinking G&T in the sunshine as I write!
    How's Mrs Malc coming along?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    Chris said:

    It just reflects the fact that the number of people tested is nearly the same every day!
    The yellow line is the most relevant answer to what Max is saying.

    https://twitter.com/Egbert_PengWu/status/1248319864877584385
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536

    I was looking at the worldometer numbers for Sweden yesterday. Someone a couple of weeks ago made a comparison between Sweden and Portugal as they are very close to each other in terms of population.

    Sweden now has (or had yesterday) almost twice the number of deaths per million people compared to Portugal. Actually just went and checked and today it is exactly double.

    86 deaths per million people in Sweden
    43 deaths per million people in Portugal.

    Although interestingly Portugal has over 60% higher number of detected cases.
    I'm taking all COVID-19 statistics with a huge pinch of salt.
  • ABZABZ Posts: 441
    DougSeal said:

    You really do take any comment about Scotland by anyone not from Scotland far too personally.
    Scotland changed the way it recorded cases recently, which led to a couple of days where only 2 deaths were recorded. This has led to artificially high numbers of cases due to the change over the past couple of days. Indeed, the First Minister clearly explained this...
  • Have we really ended up with yet more idiotic questions

    I would not give anyone a comeback question
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,338
    tlg86 said:

    He's free to say it and the union is free to sack him for it.
    Funny, Tobes seem to think him being pushed out of his education post 'cos of him exercising free speech as persecution rather than a demonstration of freedom.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    BigRich said:

    That will mostly be more testing, not necessarily more infections, (it could also be both)
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conference-10-april-2020

    The medical officer who was just on said they think they are *at* the peak - not going to go down yet.

    3,197 Critical care beds occupied as of yesterday.

    Lady earlier stated that they had 30,000 beds cleared and assigned to COVID19

    Which is another point against the Washington University model.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited April 2020
    "Many people may already have immunity to coronavirus, German study finds

    Large numbers may have been infected without knowing it – and that means lockdown could soon be lifted, scientists in Germany say" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/09/many-people-may-already-have-immunity-coronavirus-german-study
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    So numbers of patients in hospital are now falling. Deaths likely to go up for a few more days given the heavily lagged reporting, but pretty soon lower ICU occupancy will feed through.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,329
    “ At the end of last week, the Prime Minister was beginning to wonder if the country was taking his advice too much to heart. He asked us to stay at home - and we have. At each daily press conference, medical and scientific advisers talk about the plunge in use of transport and how well rules are being observed. What they don’t say is that this was not quite in their original plan. Government modellers didn’t expect such obedience: the expected workers to carry on and at least a million pupils to be left in school by parents.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/04/09/boris-worried-lockdown-has-gone-far-can-end/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1586466176
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    And so, media lasted two questions before they were back on about how can decisions be made with the PM in hospital.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    The government's terrible response and plans for a #ToryGenocide can be identified through the fact that all their advice and supporting data is open access.

    -_-
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,359
    Chris said:

    Are hospital admissions going up or down? Does anyone know?
    Its still rising I believe, its the rate of increase that we need to look at, once it hits zero rate of increase that's one milestone. Next milestone of reducing significantly so we have notably more recoveries going out than coming in, ie we have capacity.

    It would be positive if the government did publish the recoveries amongst the hospitalised that have since left the hospital. I haven't seen that so far. So far I believe there is one possible, a Mr B Johnson.
  • maaarsh said:

    So numbers of patients in hospital are now falling. Deaths likely to go up for a few more days given the heavily lagged reporting, but pretty soon lower ICU occupancy will feed through.

    I will stress again, do not read too much into one day's worth of data.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,829
    edited April 2020

    FPT

    *Raised Hand*

    I do. I dislike the 10 Commandments.

    People tend to interpret the 10 Commandments in a way that suits them. Or associate it with just the later ones which should be bloody obvious and part of any other moral code too.

    I disagree with the First, Second, Third, Fourth and Tenth Commandments. That's half of them.

    I consider the Fifth to Ninth to be basic common decency.
    They are only 'common decency' because of the 10 Commandments.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    edited April 2020
    Sensible question at last! From LBC (I think)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    Hancock: "The Government is functioning in his absence."

    Incredible. How dare it when the media have decided it can't.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810

    The lockdown takes 2 weeks to show up in the death rate.

    This has been the experience of all the countries that lock down, I believe.

    Longer surely? Those reported as deaths today died on average several days ago and would have been infected weeks before that. So we're talking back in early March and possibly into February.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536

    Funny, Tobes seem to think him being pushed out of his education post 'cos of him exercising free speech as persecution rather than a demonstration of freedom.
    FWIW I thought Young was treated harshly, but that's life. I'd note that Young was sacked for talking about ideas, whilst the union boss has gone for talking about a person.

    There's a famous quote about that...
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,918
    DougSeal said:

    The yellow line is the most relevant answer to what Max is saying.

    https://twitter.com/Egbert_PengWu/status/1248319864877584385
    That's what I'm saying. The rate of positive tests is around 40%, with some fluctuations from day to day. So the number of positive tests is about 40% of the number of people tested. And the number of people tested is almost the same every day. Ergo the number of positive tests is about the same every day.

    Do you see how that doesn't tell us anything about the number of new cases, which is 50-100 times larger?
  • blairfblairf Posts: 98
    Floater said:

    You keep spouting this bollocks and you keep on being told with evidence that you are wrong

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

    So give it a rest eh
    we won't know the impacts of the various responses for years. any one claiming sweden, korea, singapore, USA, China, Germany, Norway as 'proving' anything either way right now are talking nonsense.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263

    Where does that number (20) come from?
    World-o-meter shows 106 for yesterday and 77 (so far) for today.
    Its almost as if the facts need to be altered to fit the conclusion...

    980 is horrible again. A lot depends on which days that they are allocated to, I suppose.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    Hancock: "The Government is functioning in his absence."

    Incredible. How dare it when the media have decided it can't.

    Is there any evidence it is not functioning?
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758

    Yes, I fear you may be correct, with the caveat that it is still too soon to be sure of the effect of our half-hearted lockdown. I have always advocated an immediate, full lockdown, perhaps enforced by the army, as the best option. This would hopefully have had a rapid effect in stifling the spread of the disease, and by now we could have been starting to relax the lockdown. Instead, though, we may have, as you say, the worst of both worlds: a never-ending, economy-destroying semi-lockdown that grinds down our patience and fails to contain the virus.
    You haven't enough data to make that pessimistic analysis. Hospital deaths and (probably) hospital admissions testing positive for the virus are the two most reliable statistics. They are subsets of total cases in population not tested and deaths from the virus outside hospital respectively. The deaths figure includes those dying from something else but with the virus (a lot of controversy over how large that is) but that doesn't matter for the sake of looking at trends and lock down effect. A big unknown is average time from exposure to symptoms to hospital but there must be a significant lag. The indicators appear to be flattening (rate not increasing much, maybe not increasing at all) and that is quite an optimistic sign.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548

    Sensible question at last! From LBC (I think)

    Yep.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited April 2020

    Have we really ended up with yet more idiotic questions

    I would not give anyone a comeback question

    I stopped watching the briefings days ago because of this (had a quick look again yesterday and soon regretted it). Please update on here if anything interesting comes out of it, I can't bear the BBC's innane Live feed either.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Finally! LBC ask why we're not checking or quarantining arrivals in the UK.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    edited April 2020

    I will stress again, do not read too much into one day's worth of data.
    I'm not. It's a trend.

    I don't blame anyone at the press conference from playing a very straight bat to stop idiots going out on the piss this weekend, but the evidence is now very clear that cases peaked weeks ago and hospital numbers are now following. If you look at the detailed stats on what days reported deaths actually occured, as opposed to when they were reported, the same pattern is there.
  • ABZABZ Posts: 441
    Yokes said:

    Its still rising I believe, its the rate of increase that we need to look at, once it hits zero rate of increase that's one milestone. Next milestone of reducing significantly so we have notably more recoveries going out than coming in, ie we have capacity.

    It would be positive if the government did publish the recoveries amongst the hospitalised that have since left the hospital. I haven't seen that so far. So far I believe there is one possible, a Mr B Johnson.
    It decreased today. Hope this is start of a trend...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219

    The government's terrible response and plans for a #ToryGenocide can be identified through the fact that all their advice and supporting data is open access.

    -_-

    One... aquaintance accused me of being "brutal", by sending her links to the various published government documents.

    Apparently providing people with links to information is the new brutal.

    Bit like the "new fascism" was advocating free elections in Poland in the 1980s.
  • Yep.
    I agree. Rare as hens teeth
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited April 2020
    Lombardy (Italy) will have a special commission investigating the management of the crisis in nursery elderly homes.
    On a sample of 164 out of 677 Lombardia nursery homes, 1,822 deaths were reported from 1 February to 6 April
    60 of them had a positive test for Covid. Therefore, they are in the official statistics. 874 had symptoms linkeable to flu.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    One... aquaintance accused me of being "brutal", by sending her links to the various published government documents.

    Apparently providing people with links to information is the new brutal.

    Bit like the "new fascism" was advocating free elections in Poland in the 1980s.
    How dare you expose people to facts when they don't want to see them. You should be ashamed of yourself.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,062
    Charles said:

    Because the basic guidance is *essential* trips out only. Exercise is a category of essential.

    If sunbathing or picnicking were allowed it would be the same as no lock down
    No, that would include non essential shops, theatres, restaurants, cinemas etc being allowed to stay open
  • maaarsh said:

    I'm not. It's a trend.

    I don't blame anyone at the press conference from playing a very straight bat to stop idiots going out on the piss this weekend, but the evidence is now very clear that cases peaked weeks ago and hospital numbers are now following. If you look at the detailed stats on what days reported deaths actually occured, as opposed to when they were reported, the same pattern is there.
    I'm looking at the week on week increase being 34%.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    Finally! LBC ask why we're not checking or quarantining arrivals in the UK.

    And getting a "we're following the science" answer - so Singapore and all the others who are have got it wrong?
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Yokes said:

    Its still rising I believe, its the rate of increase that we need to look at, once it hits zero rate of increase that's one milestone. Next milestone of reducing significantly so we have notably more recoveries going out than coming in, ie we have capacity.

    It would be positive if the government did publish the recoveries amongst the hospitalised that have since left the hospital. I haven't seen that so far. So far I believe there is one possible, a Mr B Johnson.
    It's not only recoveries that free up a hospital bed. Deaths work too.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,918
    edited April 2020
    Yokes said:

    Its still rising I believe, its the rate of increase that we need to look at, once it hits zero rate of increase that's one milestone. Next milestone of reducing significantly so we have notably more recoveries going out than coming in, ie we have capacity.

    It would be positive if the government did publish the recoveries amongst the hospitalised that have since left the hospital. I haven't seen that so far. So far I believe there is one possible, a Mr B Johnson.
    I mean the number of people admitted to hospital per day. Does anyone know whether that is now going up or down?
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,359
    ABZ said:

    It decreased today. Hope this is start of a trend...
    This^
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548

    Have we really ended up with yet more idiotic questions

    I would not give anyone a comeback question

    I would say: "Do you have a comeback question that is actually worth asking?"
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569

    Finally! LBC ask why we're not checking or quarantining arrivals in the UK.

    Can't believe the answer. Why are they not at least being qustioned, and followed up?
  • And getting a "we're following the science" answer - so Singapore and all the others who are have got it wrong?
    I think it is a far east culture thing

  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,035

    It's petty and pathetic. Cornwall Council and the police in Cornwall coming across as complete morons. The fact is the great majority of people are being sensible and respecting the rules. No need to track down every single one of the few transgressors. We are not in a police state - yet.
    Whilst attempting to keep millions of people largely confined to flats you cannot possibly be seen to be allowing others to zip off to their second homes in the country for the weekend. It is also unacceptable for the people living there full time.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,323

    They are only 'common decency' because of the 10 Commandments.
    ridiculous. the implication is any society that had never heard of the bloody 10 commandments couldn't have had any of this "common decency"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548

    Can't believe the answer. Why are they not at least being qustioned, and followed up?
    Because as the good Professor said, the virus is all over the place in UK anyway.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    Professor Van-Tam has an uncanny resemblance to Eddie Jones.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    RobD said:

    How dare you expose people to facts when they don't want to see them. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    There is a whole trope of this kind of thing. I have long been accustomed to the following accusations -

    1) It is disgusting that you know so much about horrible topic X
    2) Cold hearted science vs warmed hearted "feels"
    3) Hurting people by proving their beliefs false

    etc etc.

    Did you know that double blind scientific trials are racist?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    dodrade said:

    Professor Van-Tam has an uncanny resemblance to Eddie Jones.

    :lol: Without the earpiece.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    And so, media lasted two questions before they were back on about how can decisions be made with the PM in hospital.

    It's strange more than anything else. Of course the question arose when the PM was taken into hospital, that's not unreasonable, but legally decisions can be made, and political direction is being steered by medical and scientific advice, it's not complicated or confusing about how decisions can be made.

    And getting a "we're following the science" answer - so Singapore and all the others who are have got it wrong?
    Would be a good follow up.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,850
    This sort of signage loses peoples goodwill . People on the whole will comply with laws and direction if they think the maker is doing so reluctantly and against their instinct (Its why Boris Johnson can get away with it and still be popular).Unfortunately too many people in police and local government are control freaks - Sunbathing in itself is not dangerous for spreading this . Its the distance between people. Councils should stop being so mard arses
  • dodrade said:

    Professor Van-Tam has an uncanny resemblance to Eddie Jones.

    Oh Goddamnit you're right.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    Can't believe the answer. Why are they not at least being qustioned, and followed up?
    Would reducing the number of cases by one have any material effect at the moment?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,829

    Funny, Tobes seem to think him being pushed out of his education post 'cos of him exercising free speech as persecution rather than a demonstration of freedom.
    I know it is inconsistent, but I don't have sympathy for this character unlike the Labour paralegal lady who said Boris had it coming. Three reasons, he has only been 'suspended' whatever that means, his outburst was worse and more sustained, and I don't like the RMT.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569

    Because as the good Professor said, the virus is all over the place in UK anyway.
    Granted that the stable door has been wide open for ages, but IF we are getting the situation under control, suely we should be checking on why new cases arise, if we can.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,525
    dodrade said:

    Professor Van-Tam has an uncanny resemblance to Eddie Jones.

    He has a similar manner in dealing with twat-ish questions as well.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    edited April 2020
    kamski said:

    ridiculous. the implication is any society that had never heard of the bloody 10 commandments couldn't have had any of this "common decency"
    Most religions give much the same social advice as the Abrahamic.
  • ABZABZ Posts: 441

    I'm looking at the week on week increase being 34%.
    Albeit, if you'd quoted the same figure yesterday it would have been 43% and then 52% the day before that...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    edited April 2020

    Granted that the stable door has been wide open for ages, but IF we are getting the situation under control, suely we should be checking on why new cases arise, if we can.
    I'd suggest we aren't in that phase now. I still haven't seen stats on the number of incoming passengers each day. I suspect the number is negligible when you discount urgent/necessary travel.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,526

    Because as the good Professor said, the virus is all over the place in UK anyway.
    And it will continue to be while we allow unrestricted entry.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592

    I'm looking at the week on week increase being 34%.
    Yes, that has been written on the slide to match up with the pre-agreed message that this is VERY SERIOUS, and it is TOO SOON TO SLACKEN OFF. It's a metric designed to try and stop people who shouldn't making their own decision on the end of lockdown.

    I am sat at home and will remain so until they say I shouldn't, but I'm not going to pretend I can't see that diagnosis peaked 3 weeks ago, hospital usage has been largely flat for several days now and is beginning to fall in line with the expected lag, and death stats on an actual day as opposed to reported day basis are also showing significant flattening.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359

    And it will continue to be while we allow unrestricted entry.
    And it will continue to be even if we didn't.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,525
    edited April 2020
    I know how much some like to talk about face masks on here...

    He is an MIT AI expert, but I don't doubt he hasn't done a lot of research.

    How is Coronavirus Transmitted and Do Masks Work?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA2BOT3A70w
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,234

    Granted that the stable door has been wide open for ages, but IF we are getting the situation under control, suely we should be checking on why new cases arise, if we can.
    Well yes.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,317
    Charles said:

    On the way to my daughters school there is a crossroads. The number of cyclists who think it is ok to shoot through red lights at speed when hordes of kids are trying to cross always amazes me
    Here on the Glamorgan Heritage Coast today has been like The Tour de France. Cyclists in Lycra everywhere.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219

    This sort of signage loses peoples goodwill . People on the whole will comply with laws and direction if they think the maker is doing so reluctantly and against their instinct (Its why Boris Johnson can get away with it and still be popular).Unfortunately too many people in police and local government are control freaks - Sunbathing in itself is not dangerous for spreading this . Its the distance between people. Councils should stop being so mard arses

    The problem, sadly, is the existence of morons.

    This is why we can't have nice things. Well, dangerous things.

    I would like to experiment with some truly..... interesting materials. I can't. Because a small number of people have repeatedly misused them.

    That's a little bit annoying for me.

    It is less annoying to the non-trivial number of people who would be effected by the combination of moronic bad people + the materials in question.

    So I put up with my disappointment.

    Sadly we need a clear, wide, well protected gap between what we need and what is allowed. A moat to protect us from the morons.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,323

    Most religions give much the same social advice as the Abrahamic.
    Indeed, which suggests that it is "common", just as Philip Thompson said.

    The ten commandments are hardly the be all and end all of how to live in a good way.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,525
    edited April 2020
    Realistically until we have a real time test, there isn't that much we can do in regards to international travel. And if we didn't allow any flights in, what about all those British citizens stranded abroad, the media would be screaming blue murder about poor gap yaaaaaaa students stuck in Timbuktu.

    Personally, I would leave them stranded, but I don't think that would go down very well.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,234
    The soft touch on Heathrow in particular has an invidious effect on behaviour during the lockdown. Many people will look at the planes arriving from JFK etc and think sod it why should I bother.
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    edited April 2020
    Andy_JS said:

    "Many people may already have immunity to coronavirus, German study finds

    Large numbers may have been infected without knowing it – and that means lockdown could soon be lifted, scientists in Germany say" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/09/many-people-may-already-have-immunity-coronavirus-german-study

    Cum grano salis.

    These are only preliminary conclusions from 400 out of 1,000 tests. There are still more tests to be evaluated from the Gangelt study.

    The Munich study (metropolitan population pattern, 3,000 households=5,000 tests) had started last Sunday. The testing hasn't yet concluded. No results published yet.

    Once these (and maybe some others that are currently in preparation) are evaluated we may be on firmer ground regarding conclusions.
  • ABZ said:

    Albeit, if you'd quoted the same figure yesterday it would have been 43% and then 52% the day before that...
    I think we're headed in the right direction.

    My own hunch is lockdown will last until mid to end May, then we'll have some restrictions lifted, but a lot of social distancing in place for a while (such as one in one out in shops) and things back to normalish in August/September but with the proviso we'll have strict lockdown if people stop act like twats later on in the year.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    I think it is a far east culture thing
    No, I think its "following the flu pandemic" plan and they haven't updated it for a much more infectious and lethal pandemic.

    What's the harm in at least quarantining all arrivals? Its already being done in the British Isles (Guernsey).

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,234

    Realistically until we have a real time test, there isn't that much we can do in regards to international travel. And if we didn't allow any flights in, what about all those British citizens stranded abroad, the media would be screaming blue murder about poor gap yaaaaaaa students stuck in Timbuktu.

    Haven't people had enough time to get back home by now. The least we could do is actually state a repatriation/freight only rule.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,035

    Finally! LBC ask why we're not checking or quarantining arrivals in the UK.

    What was the response?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    edited April 2020

    Here on the Glamorgan Heritage Coast today has been like The Tour de France. Cyclists in Lycra everywhere.
    It has been my theory, supported by personal, anecdotal data, that the twats who made themselves hated in various kinds of motor vehicle have colonised the cycling space.

    They are now entitled, smug, twats.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,829
    Access to the sun is arguably as important to long term health as exercise, and sounds like a pretty basic human right to me.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    edited April 2020
    Pulpstar said:

    Haven't people had enough time to get back home by now. The least we could do is actually state a repatriation/freight only rule.
    How many people are traveling for tourism/non-essential work these days?
  • OllyT said:

    What was the response?
    We're following the science.
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