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Wasn't crowding on the Tube driven by the significant cut in services? Passenger numbers were down 80%. They should run a full service during rush hour, then pare back outside that.LostPassword said:
Yes. I'm sure there will still be some dickhead office bosses who insist that their employees are not able to work from home too. I think there's still a risk that we will still see crowds on the tube after this, but perhaps the theatre of the announcement will have an effect. Certainly hope so.twistedfirestopper3 said:Am I missing something? He's not actually banned people from going to work? So factories and building sites still OK to run?
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Florida imposes 14 day mandatory quarantine for people coming from NEW YORK and NEW JERSEY1
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It's another massive nail in the coffin of high-street retailing, which is sad but probably inevitable anyway.FrancisUrquhart said:
In China, they allowed the equivalent of them running. They did only allow 2-3 companies and drivers had to had a particular accreditation, but they did whizz about Wuhan delivering all sorts of stuff.Benpointer said:1 -
HYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the BlitzHYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?HYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz0 -
Good luck, everyone.
I think the first few days will be tough until people adjust. There will be a period when people cope. Then it may get more difficult again...
I am concerned about the lack of available food deliveries. I rely on them (cannot get to shops). I fervently hope they are able to open more slots soon.
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BSE, Covid-19 ... perhaps we really should stop eating meat.0
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Will journalists be excluded?0
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I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PMrcs1000 said:
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.isam said:
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.1 -
Quick question: are we still allowing flights to arrive in the UK from virtually every country in the world, with hardly any checks on the passengers?0
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An update from Down Under - My parents who have been visiting from the UK are now stranded after the UAE shut it's borders from Wednesday onwards even to transit travellers.
UAE, Singapore and HK have all banned transit travellers, and the closure of the US means many many Brits in Oz and NZ are completely stranded. The Perth - London Qantas flight is fully booked for days and risks cancellation.
The Foreign Office needs to step up here. Even if it means running repatriation flights through Diego Garcia (anyone know if that would be logistically possible?). Sydney consulate don't have a clue what to advise.
Dominic Raab simply telling people to 'come home' is bloody useless when airlines are and transit airports are closing all options.3 -
This type of thing is not ham acting, just because Tony made it so. He said what needed to be said.Benpointer said:
He doing his best but he's not suited to this type of thing, he has no gravitas no matter how hard he tries.SouthamObserver said:Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
It's a bit like getting Tommy Cooper to deliver a university physics lecture - not the person you'd choose.
Same applies to physics lectures actually, if the physics is right it makes no odds who says it. Stephen Hawking's delivery was a bit shit, but nobody seemed to mind.0 -
Interesting little travel website
https://placestovisitthisweekend.com/0 -
Lock them up...they are a danger to society.Jonathan said:Will journalists be excluded?
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I think that is an argument for another day. Hopefully many high-street retailers can make the transition to a combination of physical and online.Benpointer said:
It's another massive nail in the coffin of high-street retailing, which is sad but probably inevitable anyway.FrancisUrquhart said:
In China, they allowed the equivalent of them running. They did only allow 2-3 companies and drivers had to had a particular accreditation, but they did whizz about Wuhan delivering all sorts of stuff.Benpointer said:0 -
The world doesn't get to decide what happens in China but there may also be some interest in doing that stuff from inside China...Casino_Royale said:There will be a reckoning for China after this.
The world will demand they clamp down on hygiene, animal welfare and trading and sanitary standards.0 -
The Kitchen, the study, the lounge?isam said:Interesting little travel website
https://placestovisitthisweekend.com/1 -
God Ashworth is making this party political. We were right, government were wrong.
This is wrong time. Just agree and move on.0 -
Gatwick still has scheduled departures tomorrow. How does that work?0
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I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....Big_G_NorthWales said:
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needsRochdalePioneers said:
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.SouthamObserver said:Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
I expect that will be shared by many
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My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
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If they do not a global travel ban to and from China indefinitely must be considerededmundintokyo said:
The world doesn't get to decide what happens in China but there may also be some interest in doing that stuff from inside China...Casino_Royale said:There will be a reckoning for China after this.
The world will demand they clamp down on hygiene, animal welfare and trading and sanitary standards.0 -
Particularly as we had a dry run for all this in 2003 with SARS.Casino_Royale said:
I don't care. I'm sick of the virtue-signalling morons looking for racism everywhere and thinking it's the only thing that matters.Floater said:
That would be WACIST!!!!!Casino_Royale said:There will be a reckoning for China after this.
The world will demand they clamp down on hygiene, animal welfare and trading and sanitary standards.
China need to be held to account for their poor regulation and enforcement and clean up their act.
No ifs no buts.
I find it incredible that after SARS absolutely nothing seems to have changed anywhere...0 -
Three weeks is probably a bit optimistic. But I'm reasonably confident that in the UK the rate of new diagnoses will peak in 10-12 days. If proper containment measures are in place, then we will hopefully see the daily rate drop pretty quickly from there. By early May, we will hopefully have the ability to do 30-50,000 tests per day, and daily positive rates down to sub 100.CarlottaVance said:
At that point you can start to follow the Korean model.1 -
Why do you think Boris is not listening to advice about what to do? Clearly you think he is dragging his feet for some reason, but what?tyson said:
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....Big_G_NorthWales said:
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needsRochdalePioneers said:
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.SouthamObserver said:Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
I expect that will be shared by many
PS.
My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....0 -
I feel, growing up as an only child, that I have been trained for this moment! Long boring 6 weeks holidays playing on the computer or hitting/kicking a ball against the wall/daydreaming.kle4 said:
Honestly you're probably right. Certainly I spend most of my time indoors anyway, as too much time on PBs hows. But as The Cat once noted, that's because we all knew we could walk out the door at any time. It will wrankle with people.tlg86 said:I mean, honestly, who goes on more than one walk in a day? Dog walkers maybe? But really, it’s the groups of people hanging around together that needs stopping.
But I think people have been sufficiently primed and compliance will be pretty high, though I expect we'll still get photos of people not doing so.
As I said earlier, it’s like someone has stashed all the Sundays from the last thirty years and unleashed them on us at once0 -
Well my next trip out the house will either be a run, or to my colleague's house to pass her the laptop I'm going to be setting up for her to WFH tommorow.0
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The Govt had February to plan to get protective clothing to NHS staff...this situation now is an absolute horror show....FrancisUrquhart said:God Ashworth is making this party political. We were right, government were wrong.
This is wrong time. Just agree and move on.
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#NippyKnew is what you're grasping for.....Theuniondivvie said:
'Nicla knew!!!!'RobD said:
I haven't actually been following the trial, and have no idea what this Sturgeon angle is. I think I even defended him earlier in the thread.Theuniondivvie said:
As if certain PBers wouldn't be going at it hammer and tongs if a) Salmond was found guilty and b) Sturgeon was somehow implicated.RobD said:
I just find it funny that the biggest peacetime restriction on personal freedom was just announced, and you post this.Alistair said:I was assured that there was going to be evidence in the trial that meant Sturgeon would have to immediately resign mid trial.
Not you, of course.
Well, probably not you.
Well..
Edit: sorry, that should be 'Wee Nippy knew!!!!'
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Well done Donald...
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Clearly, the police should concentrate on dispersing large gatherings rather than trying to work out whether a lone walker in a deserted area might be going for their second walk of the day.5
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The police have the power of arrest and the power to fine.nichomar said:HYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the BlitzHYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?HYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Ultimately as a last resort the police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military0 -
Police Federation sound nearly as unenthused as OFQUAL did.0
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No reason they should - they haven't here in Spain. Why on earth would they?Benpointer said:0 -
Building sites are closed, or not?
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No doubt he called Gordon Brown 'James' as well. People who react so strongly to Boris being called Boris have never made sense to me, whatever their reasoning.isam said:
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PMrcs1000 said:
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.isam said:
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.1 -
We are all Catalonians now, apparently...HYUFD said:
The police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the militarynichomar said:HYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the BlitzHYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?HYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz1 -
That was so pathetic. Basically saying Boris only did it cause we told him to. They have to make everything a petty victory. What a prickFrancisUrquhart said:God Ashworth is making this party political. We were right, government were wrong.
This is wrong time. Just agree and move on.0 -
I am sure the details are coming. That address was designed to make it clear what the general situation was, rather than get into the weeds (which has been part of the Boris and others have had with the daily press conferences).Floater said:Building sites are closed, or not?
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To be honest I have been very impressed with his tone and maturity in this. His concerns are measured and appropriate. For me he is by far the most able member of the Shadow Cabinet.FrancisUrquhart said:God Ashworth is making this party political. We were right, government were wrong.
This is wrong time. Just agree and move on.0 -
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To be fair to Brown, I can see why he opted to use the name Gordon.kle4 said:
No doubt he called Gordon Brown 'James' as well. People who react so strongly to Boris being called Boris have never made sense to me, whatever their reasoning.isam said:
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PMrcs1000 said:
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.isam said:
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.0 -
The next step the government needs to be clear about is which kinds of business are allowed to stay open. Yes supermarkets pharmacies and convenience stores. Yes petrol stations. How about general stores like Home Bargains who sell food and non food? WHsoddingS will probably try and claim they are as they sell crisps and chocolate - are they ok?
And then takeaways / restaurants who have converted to take-away service. There are a lot of people who can't cook or won't cook. They aren't going to suddenly learn to scratch cook. So as the provision of food is critical I would allow such businesses to operate.0 -
We had six weeks to at least getting protective gear to the NHS front line.....kle4 said:
Why do you think Boris is not listening to advice about what to do? Clearly you think he is dragging his feet for some reason, but what?tyson said:
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....Big_G_NorthWales said:
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needsRochdalePioneers said:
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.SouthamObserver said:Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
I expect that will be shared by many
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My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....
The problem with having career politicians like Boris in charge is that they have never done anything....so when something needs to be done, they are useless...
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EasyJet fly freight to Tenerife?ydoethur said:0 -
Whereas we consider Hitchens a masterpiece of comic fiction. Made flesh.isam said:
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PMrcs1000 said:
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.isam said:
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.0 -
TBF, that’s not exactly hard.DavidL said:
To be honest I have been very impressed with his tone and maturity in this. His concerns are measured and appropriate. For me he is by far the most able member of the Shadow Cabinet.FrancisUrquhart said:God Ashworth is making this party political. We were right, government were wrong.
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Neither of those sentences is an answer to the questions presented.tyson said:
We had six weeks to at least getting protective gear to the NHS front line.....kle4 said:
Why do you think Boris is not listening to advice about what to do? Clearly you think he is dragging his feet for some reason, but what?tyson said:
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....Big_G_NorthWales said:
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needsRochdalePioneers said:
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.SouthamObserver said:Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
I expect that will be shared by many
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My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....
The problem with having career politicians like Boris in charge is that they have never done anything....so when something needs to be done, they are useless...0 -
NHS now has 12,000 devices, according to the SoS for Health.bigjohnowls said:
How many extra are in place NOW? They are needed in some places now.Sandpit said:
I'll start with the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/23/carmakers-make-nhs-ventilators-coronavirus-uk-government-nissan-rolls-roycebigjohnowls said:
Rubbish every country is trying desperately to up their numbers but we are still lagging behind.Sandpit said:
The UK number has doubled from your numbers in the past week, and there's a plan for 30,000 more (up to Germany levels) to come from UK engineering companies including F1 teams over the coming days and weeks.bigjohnowls said:
Per 100,000 populationFrancisUrquhart said:
I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.bigjohnowls said:I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.
We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.
Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.
Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.
It is correct Germany have way way more.
Germany 29.2
Italy 12.5
Spain 9.6
France 11.6
UK 6.3
We are worse than Andorra FFS
Ventilators worst of any major European Country
Acute beds same
Critical Care Beds same
Find the actual numbers to disprove me
Like "250, 000 tests" its bullshit
Then the publication of the actual spec by the government:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/specification-for-ventilators-to-be-used-in-uk-hospitals-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak
Then go to the BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-52006907/the-prodrive-motorsport-company-it-switching-its-factory-to-ventilators
Here's Sky News:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-extraordinary-uk-effort-to-produce-thousands-more-ventilators-11961559
And even the Daily Mail - all seven UK-based F1 teams now involved.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8140001/Coronavirus-UK-Seven-Formula-One-teams-workforces-set-making-life-saving-ventilators-NHS.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/03/23/ventilator-mass-production-details-set-revealed/0 -
Some supermarkets are prioritising vulnerable groups.If you're over 70, or have a disability or serious health condition that stops you going to the shop , Sainsbury's, for instance, will give you priority. After phoning their customer service number on behalf of an elderly relative today and waiting a long time, I was happily surprised to hear they could deliver within two days for this category of person - let's hope so.AlwaysSinging said:Good luck, everyone.
I think the first few days will be tough until people adjust. There will be a period when people cope. Then it may get more difficult again...
I am concerned about the lack of available food deliveries. I rely on them (cannot get to shops). I fervently hope they are able to open more slots soon.
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If you are not out without legitimate reason you can be arrested, obviously that includes vandalism and ASBRochdalePioneers said:
Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.RobD said:
Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.RochdalePioneers said:
Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home ordersRobD said:
Have they all disappeared or something?RochdalePioneers said:
Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.0 -
Yes. Someone I know does a job where they occasionally see medical emergencies, although most of the time they don't. They don't know whether to stay open or not at the moment.RochdalePioneers said:The next step the government needs to be clear about is which kinds of business are allowed to stay open. Yes supermarkets pharmacies and convenience stores. Yes petrol stations. How about general stores like Home Bargains who sell food and non food? WHsoddingS will probably try and claim they are as they sell crisps and chocolate - are they ok?
And then takeaways / restaurants who have converted to take-away service. There are a lot of people who can't cook or won't cook. They aren't going to suddenly learn to scratch cook. So as the provision of food is critical I would allow such businesses to operate.0 -
No he won't - I think very littlemof JC but even he is not that stupid. I believe Parliament will remain open so he will be entitled to attend.FrancisUrquhart said:
I bet Jezza is still going to ignore it.Jonathan said:Will this apply to everyone or are there exceptions? Will the queen have to rustle up a shepherds pie?
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Thank god I moved to the countryside.
Although one of my neighbours is a copper, don't envy him at this stage, he'll probably get redeployed to Newcastle to stop Geordies rioting outside closed branches of Greggs.3 -
This wasn't the moment for that. The nation needed the opposition to come on and say yes this is what is needed and we back the move, like Nicola did.DavidL said:
To be honest I have been very impressed with his tone and maturity in this. His concerns are measured and appropriate. For me he is by far the most able member of the Shadow Cabinet.FrancisUrquhart said:God Ashworth is making this party political. We were right, government were wrong.
This is wrong time. Just agree and move on.
Sensible questions about the details are first private conversations and then if they aren't getting sufficiently good answers, raising in public.2 -
Well it's all about standards isn't it? Feeding cows sheep brains instead of letting them graze on grass probably isn't a good idea.DougSeal said:BSE, Covid-19 ... perhaps we really should stop eating meat.
Putting live bats, pangolins and snakes together with less "exotic" fresh food also seems like a bad idea...
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Is it still on manoeuvres in Scotland?RochdalePioneers said:
Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.RobD said:
Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.RochdalePioneers said:
Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home ordersRobD said:
Have they all disappeared or something?RochdalePioneers said:
Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.0 -
Didn't Theresa May sell Johnson's water cannons from underneath him?HYUFD said:
The police have the power of arrest and the power to fine.nichomar said:HYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the BlitzHYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?HYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Ultimately as a last resort the police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
Also, uh, guns?0 -
Today is seriously testing my personal rule of not drinking on Mondays.1
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As I predicted a few weeks ago several of those who whinged we were being too lax are now moaning about how it won't work blah, blah, blah.3
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Thats fair enough - I think he cant work but was trying to checkFrancisUrquhart said:
I am sure the details are coming. That address was designed to make it clear what the general situation was, rather than get into the weeds (which has been part of the Boris and others have had with the daily press conferences).Floater said:Building sites are closed, or not?
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Yes he was very rubbish. Hard to be critical of Boris' performance when Drakeford is the benchmark.ydoethur said:Oh dear, Mark Drakeford.
All shops to be closed, ‘except those selling food, medicines, banks and post offices.’1 -
If someone says, "my name is moonunit", I do them the courtesy of calling them "moonunit" no matter how stupid I might think that is.isam said:
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PMrcs1000 said:
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.isam said:
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.
It's incredibly impolite to call people by a name that they do not use.2 -
The truth being he only did it because the cabinet told him to?isam said:
That was so pathetic. Basically saying Boris only did it cause we told him to. They have to make everything a petty victory. What a prickFrancisUrquhart said:God Ashworth is making this party political. We were right, government were wrong.
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Well it's already Tuesday somewhere. As a citizen of the world, go for it.Anabobazina said:Today is seriously testing my personal rule of not drinking on Mondays.
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The middle professor on C4 News was excellent. A message of hope looking at other countries’ lockdown. Didn’t catch his name. We need to see more of him.1
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Wait, do we get free porn like Italy now?
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I was just bewildered by these shops that sell banks and post offices.Mexicanpete said:
Yes he was very rubbish. Hard to be critical of Boris' performance when Drakeford is the benchmark.ydoethur said:Oh dear, Mark Drakeford.
All shops to be closed, ‘except those selling food, medicines, banks and post offices.’
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Its a strange thing to worry about at present. It is already widespread in the UK. There are probably only a handful of countries where it significantly more widespread (Iran, USA, Italy, Spain?), most of other countries either have similar situations to us or fewer cases. And the vast majority of international flights have been cancelled by the airlines anyway.Andy_JS said:Quick question: are we still allowing flights to arrive in the UK from virtually every country in the world, with hardly any checks on the passengers?
In summary, flights at the moment dont have any significant impact on the proportion of the UK with CV19 or our ability to control the spread.2 -
As a last resort if some resort to mob rule the PM can allow the police to use all their resources, including rubber bullets and tear gas etc, to enforce the rule of lawEndillion said:
Didn't Theresa May sell Johnson's water cannons from underneath him?HYUFD said:
The police have the power of arrest and the power to fine.nichomar said:HYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the BlitzHYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?HYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Ultimately as a last resort the police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
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Are you fucking with me? I'm saying this Govt was not competent enough to add 2 plus 2 in January to ensure that our NHS staff would be protected from large numbers of people coughing on them in late March with a deadly virus that there is no treatment for.,...kle4 said:
Neither of those sentences is an answer to the questions presented.tyson said:
We had six weeks to at least getting protective gear to the NHS front line.....kle4 said:
Why do you think Boris is not listening to advice about what to do? Clearly you think he is dragging his feet for some reason, but what?tyson said:
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....Big_G_NorthWales said:
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needsRochdalePioneers said:
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.SouthamObserver said:Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
I expect that will be shared by many
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My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....
The problem with having career politicians like Boris in charge is that they have never done anything....so when something needs to be done, they are useless...
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You love this shit don’t youHYUFD said:
The police have the power of arrest and the power to fine.nichomar said:HYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the BlitzHYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?HYUFD said:
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.Jonathan said:Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
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Also how long a walk would be considered reasonable. Is it ok to embark on a 10 mile walk in the countryside?tlg86 said:I mean, honestly, who goes on more than one walk in a day? Dog walkers maybe? But really, it’s the groups of people hanging around together that needs stopping.
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The protective clothing issue has been addresed by Hancock today and HMG are doing everything possible to address shortages, but this issue is faced by all governments across the worldtyson said:
I've just had my sister on the phone in utter panic about her two son's on the front line in NHS hospitals with very little protective clothing....Big_G_NorthWales said:
My daughter who is not the least political was very impressed with Boris saying his is the leader the country needsRochdalePioneers said:
It was good. He's convincing on a script like all good actors. He's just shite at improv.SouthamObserver said:Good stuff from Johnson. There can be no doubts now.
I expect that will be shared by many
PS.
My youngest son has text saying it is very tough but very impressed with Boris's tone
the lack of preparation these last weeks, and Boris's recent prevarication are an utter disgrace.....and have placed our NHS staff at risk
I don't think you'd be quite so sycophantic to Boris if your family were on the front line with the square root of fuck all to protect them....
I am in the highest risk factor and will comply with HMG requirements
And my family are not political and if they commend Boris it upsets you somehow.
Furthermore when you attack Boris you attack the three first ministers and Khan who all attend Cobra and are party to these events.
Each has announced exactly the same policies across the devolved administrations tonight including here in Wales the closure of caravan sites, national parks and the cancellation of the Royal Welsh Show on the 20th July
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It may be the shot in the arm they need I think - people will be desperate to get back to the High Street after being told they can't.Benpointer said:
It's another massive nail in the coffin of high-street retailing, which is sad but probably inevitable anyway.FrancisUrquhart said:
In China, they allowed the equivalent of them running. They did only allow 2-3 companies and drivers had to had a particular accreditation, but they did whizz about Wuhan delivering all sorts of stuff.Benpointer said:0 -
Hitchens is and always has been a pillock of the first orderrcs1000 said:
If someone says, "my name is moonunit", I do them the courtesy of calling them "moonunit" no matter how stupid I might think that is.isam said:
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PMrcs1000 said:
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.isam said:
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.
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I would have expected complete anarchy if they couldn't carry out basic functions.RochdalePioneers said:
Yup. Big increase in petty crime vandalism and ASB. Repeated public meetings demanding action with the local Inspector and PCC being very honest about how many officers they don't have.RobD said:
Utter lack of police to carry out basic functions? OK.RochdalePioneers said:
Yes. 25k+ gone. An utter lack of police to carry out basic function already, never mind enforcing stay at home ordersRobD said:
Have they all disappeared or something?RochdalePioneers said:
Sorry if you are in denial about just how fucked the police service has become over the last 10 years. We'll need the Army- what's left of it - to enforce this.0 -
Boris did what was asked of him, and it was fine. I don't think the moment to compare him to Churchill has arrived yet.eadric said:Boris was good. Started nervous. Ended quite Churchillian
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I think he is trying to make it clear he thinks the PM is a phoney.kle4 said:
No doubt he called Gordon Brown 'James' as well. People who react so strongly to Boris being called Boris have never made sense to me, whatever their reasoning.isam said:
I think Hitchens considers ‘Boris’ a kind of fictional character/trademark created by our PMrcs1000 said:
Peter Hitchens is playing the game, so beloved of the Left in the Cameron days, of using someone's lesser used forename as a form of derision.isam said:
From Gideon Osborne to Alexander Johnson.
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.0 -
Costello, I think. A professor of public health. Yes, he made the important point that we have to give the public something to look towards and hope for.Anabobazina said:The middle professor on C4 News was excellent. A message of hope looking at other countries’ lockdown. Didn’t catch his name. We need to see more of him.
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"essential work" needs clarifying. You're also allowed out your house to tend to your animals, which wasn't mentioned in the briefing.
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He’s not drinking heavily enough?Mexicanpete said:
Boris did what was asked of him, and it was fine. I don't think the moment to compare him to Churchill has arrived yet.eadric said:Boris was good. Started nervous. Ended quite Churchillian
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Italian Mayors know how to handle this.
https://twitter.com/protectheflames/status/1241403715036291072
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Foreign nationals wanting to get home.ydoethur said:1 -
I see @HYUFD is talking about the army shooting people in the street again.0
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Yep, UAE is shutting everything down from Weds morning (I'm there). Almost all of their COVID cases have been recent travellers or transit passengers falling sick at the airport. We're getting at least a fortnight of total shutdown here.Rob_downunder said:An update from Down Under - My parents who have been visiting from the UK are now stranded after the UAE shut it's borders from Wednesday onwards even to transit travellers.
UAE, Singapore and HK have all banned transit travellers, and the closure of the US means many many Brits in Oz and NZ are completely stranded. The Perth - London Qantas flight is fully booked for days and risks cancellation.
The Foreign Office needs to step up here. Even if it means running repatriation flights through Diego Garcia (anyone know if that would be logistically possible?). Sydney consulate don't have a clue what to advise.
Dominic Raab simply telling people to 'come home' is bloody useless when airlines are and transit airports are closing all options.0 -
Sky seem far too obsessed with "if someone goes for a second walk".1
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The Supreme Court announced earlier that they would be continuing with hearings, but it would all be done by video conference. Not knowing much about your cases I would naively think that where a jury was not involved that there would be potential for some of your work to continue on that basis.DavidL said:Serious Boris. Seen it all now.
My expectation is that all civil business in the courts will now stop with the exception of emergency orders. I am effectively out of work. Hey ho.0 -
Slightly more detail
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.0
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