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I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for supportAndy_Cooke said:Grants for wages!
Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.
That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.0 -
Civil Contingencies Act?Stocky said:
Has parliament passed a law to enforce this?CarlottaVance said:Pubs, restaurants, gyms, nightclubs, theatres, cinemas close tonight.
To be reviewed in a month.0 -
This is huge and well done RishiAndy_Cooke said:Grants for wages!
Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.
That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.0 -
He said it was unlimited.HYUFD said:
I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for supportAndy_Cooke said:Grants for wages!
Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.
That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.
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Yes everywherenichomar said:
All I thinkRobD said:
All, or just London?CarlottaVance said:Pubs, restaurants, gyms, nightclubs, theatres, cinemas close tonight.
To be reviewed in a month.0 -
10 Day lag time so too early to make any assumption.NerysHughes said:
The lock down is not working thenAndreaParma_82 said:627 new deaths in Italy
689 new healed
Net increase in currently positive cases is 4670.
So almost 6000 new cases
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Apparently we do. HuzzahHYUFD said:
I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for supportAndy_Cooke said:Grants for wages!
Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.
That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.0 -
Civil Contingencies Act 2004Stocky said:
Has parliament passed a law to enforce this?CarlottaVance said:Pubs, restaurants, gyms, nightclubs, theatres, cinemas close tonight.
To be reviewed in a month.1 -
If it's not in that it'll be in the Coronavirus Act.numbertwelve said:
Civil Contingencies Act?Stocky said:
Has parliament passed a law to enforce this?CarlottaVance said:Pubs, restaurants, gyms, nightclubs, theatres, cinemas close tonight.
To be reviewed in a month.0 -
Rishi disagrees. Unlimited, he said.HYUFD said:
I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for supportAndy_Cooke said:Grants for wages!
Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.
That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.0 -
Speaker is going to be pissed off this isn't announced in the House.0
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It's because there's about a 10 day gap between real infections and reported infections.numbertwelve said:How are the Italian figures still going up so rapidly despite lockdown? Is it just really badly policed or what?
I think today or tomorrow marks the peak. (And have said this for some time.)
We'll know for sure by Tues/Weds next week.0 -
Lockdown is 11 days old, so you wouldn't expect it to start to feed through to cases (let alone deaths) until about now.numbertwelve said:How are the Italian figures still going up so rapidly despite lockdown? Is it just really badly policed or what?
I hope.0 -
It's up to 80% of the wage of each employee up to £2,500 per month.
Not sure if that means the max is £2,000 per month or £2,500 per month.0 -
He also said the Dutch approach is better - where they closed pubs a week agoOllyT said:
No coincidence that the prize plonker of the day award goes to the chap from Witherspoons who single-handedly led the charge of businesses for Brexit.kinabalu said:Apparently we have people going about saying they won't change their habits and isolate because if you do that "you give in to it". To the virus.
I reckon there will be an almost perfect overlap between these people and that strand of Leavers who were well up for a Hard Brexit because "we stood alone in 1940 and we can do it again."
Sorry, but you know.
I have really tried to keep off Brexit but when I saw him in the news today saying that closes the pubs was an overreaction I immediately brought all his Brexit pronouncements to mind.
I will take a vow of silence on Brexit for the next month now!0 -
Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.
Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021-1 -
Nah - Hoyle's not a drama queen like...you know, him, whats his name, the poison dwarf, forgotten his name.....MarqueeMark said:Speaker is going to be pissed off this isn't announced in the House.
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Mortalities up 628 from yesterday in Italy.....
The figures are scary- with another week or so before the peak....0 -
Housing benefit and UC increased for renters to cover 30% of standard rent in their area0
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I knew I should have registered a company and paid myself a dividend.MaxPB said:Wow, what about self employed people?
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Just tucking into today's delicious shit sandwich.0
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Did he say 100% of wages covered, no.Andy_Cooke said:
Rishi disagrees. Unlimited, he said.HYUFD said:
I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for supportAndy_Cooke said:Grants for wages!
Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.
That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.
Did he say zero job losses, no0 -
Got to say that I've been unhappy with the economic response up until now, but they seem to have switched mindset into genuine crisis mode.
This looks like it'll do the job after all. I think a lot of people will now be a lot less stressed out than they were, and small businesses will be looking at a future they will now expect to see.
Impressed. Good work Rishi and Boris.4 -
Give it a rest man. You don’t have to be right about everything.HYUFD said:
Did he say 100% of wages covered, no.Andy_Cooke said:
Rishi disagrees. Unlimited, he said.HYUFD said:
I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for supportAndy_Cooke said:Grants for wages!
Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.
That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.
Did he say zero job losses, no0 -
After yesterday's wibble it is good to see decisive action on 2 fronts today.
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Probably, but not clear-cut.RobD said:
I thought it meant the latter, but that was just my impression.MikeL said:It's up to 80% of the wage of each employee up to £2,500 per month.
Not sure if that means the max is £2,000 per month or £2,500 per month.
Important point is it's by employee.
ie One paid £20k, one paid £60k.
Grant is £16K + £30k (or maybe £16k + £24k)0 -
Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?0 -
Is it wise to give Richie that much screen time? He seems to do well with it. Boris less so.1
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Rishi is something of a star performer. I suspect Boris is a little jealous.0
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I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.0
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Rishi is demonstrating the conservative party has compassion and is prepared to support everyone irrespective of costs through this crisisHYUFD said:Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.
Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021
And contrary to some of your heartless posts yesterday0 -
The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.RochdalePioneers said:Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?1 -
PM says licenses will be reviewed if pubs and restaurants do not comply with closure order but hopefully not needed0
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Talk about creating winners and losers. I get nothing for being self-employed, but have to fork out a fortune in higher taxes for decades.MaxPB said:I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.
I am going to make it my mission in life to pay as little tax as possible from now on.0 -
Because they didn't get on top of it at the start, seems to be the consensus view.numbertwelve said:How are the Italian figures still going up so rapidly despite lockdown? Is it just really badly policed or what?
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My concern is not that the deaths are increasing - as you say we unfortunately have to expect that given the average time rom infection to death is something like 18 days - but that the new cases are still increasing. I would have thought they would have started to tail off by now.IshmaelZ said:
Lockdown is 11 days old, so you wouldn't expect it to start to feed through to cases (let alone deaths) until about now.numbertwelve said:How are the Italian figures still going up so rapidly despite lockdown? Is it just really badly policed or what?
I hope.
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I want to see the small print before I get excited.MaxPB said:I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.
Bet you need to show you're down to your last few pennies before you get that.0 -
Rent addressed via housing benefit. Not ideal but it's something.0
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Yesterday was a holding position. Ideally they would not have had the daily presser at all as they thrashed out these measures.SandyRentool said:After yesterday's wibble it is good to see decisive action on 2 fronts today.
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Yeah, I don't care what he says. They've done what I wanted and what they needed to do - direct grants (not loans) to support businesses and their staff. He can witter on about whatever he likes; the important thing is that it has been done.Gallowgate said:
Give it a rest man. You don’t have to be right about everything.HYUFD said:
Did he say 100% of wages covered, no.Andy_Cooke said:
Rishi disagrees. Unlimited, he said.HYUFD said:
I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for supportAndy_Cooke said:Grants for wages!
Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.
That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.
Did he say zero job losses, no0 -
Rubbish, show me one post I said no support was needed?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Rishi is demonstrating the conservative party has compassion and is prepared to support everyone irrespective of costs through this crisisHYUFD said:Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.
Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021
And contrary to some of your heartless posts yesterday
Stop emotive rants and focus on the actual facts, even Sunak recognised the government could not bail out everyone, some job losses would still occur and the government and taxpayers are not going to pay 100% of wages0 -
Rishimatthiasfromhamburg said:Is it wise to give Richie that much screen time? He seems to do well with it. Boris less so.
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What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.RobD said:
The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.RochdalePioneers said:Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?0 -
The Netflix and YouTube news is precisely why I've never got rid of my DVD collection or DVD/Blu-ray player.
As long as I have power I have lots of (physical) boxsets to watch. Similar reason I haven't got rid of my library of books too.0 -
I said yesterday that I would believe the measures went far enough when I saw it. Seems today I owe mr Sunak an apology2
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Rishi continues to impress far more than any other politician at the moment. I would suggest he is genuine future PM material.1
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What do people think about collecting takeaways? Is that responsible? I quite fancy a Nandos takeaway tonight...0
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Today is about stopping employees being made unemployed.MaxPB said:I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.
I can see the self-employed needing a further set of measures.1 -
Miss Vance, Grumpy.0
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All I heard announced was the deferral of the income tax. They are clearly lacking in that area, so maybe some additional movement in that area once a scheme has been worked out. I expect it is quite tricky, with a lot of edge cases.MaxPB said:
What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.RobD said:
The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.RochdalePioneers said:Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?0 -
This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.0
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Thank you for the correction.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Rishimatthiasfromhamburg said:Is it wise to give Richie that much screen time? He seems to do well with it. Boris less so.
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The self employed have a different tax and benefits regime to the employed and are deemed to take on more risk. While this is an unprecedented situation, maybe it is still felt that a 3-month furlough in trade is par for the course and you should be prepared to accept it.MaxPB said:I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.
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I hope you wash your hands afterwards, 20 seconds please...Casino_Royale said:Just tucking into today's delicious shit sandwich.
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Whilst the system is in overload any attempt to measure statistical outcomes won’t work. The health services need to get in front of the game if they can when the pressure is not so great. Need to set up excess capacity at all levels as soon as possible, if you wait till it’s needed it’s too late.Richard_Tyndall said:
My concern is not that the deaths are increasing - as you say we unfortunately have to expect that given the average time rom infection to death is something like 18 days - but that the new cases are still increasing. I would have thought they would have started to tail off by now.IshmaelZ said:
Lockdown is 11 days old, so you wouldn't expect it to start to feed through to cases (let alone deaths) until about now.numbertwelve said:How are the Italian figures still going up so rapidly despite lockdown? Is it just really badly policed or what?
I hope.0 -
And VAT deferralsRobD said:
All I heard announced was the deferral of the income tax. They are clearly lacking in that area, so maybe some additional movement in that area once a scheme has been worked out. I expect it is quite tricky, with a lot of edge cases.MaxPB said:
What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.RobD said:
The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.RochdalePioneers said:Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?
Plus UC equivalent to statutory sick pay1 -
We're going to be adding 500-800 billion to the national debt, aren't we?
I wonder (hope) all normal rules of economics go out the window if the whole world is doing it.3 -
It is minimal contact as long as you phone your order in first I don't see it much different to deliveryGallowgate said:What do people think about collecting takeaways? Is that responsible? I quite fancy a Nandos takeaway tonight...
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Yup, exactly as I said yesterday Rochdale Pioneer first up to confirm whatever Sunak did would not be enough for the left, despite significant extra benefits announced for renters and support for the self employedRochdalePioneers said:Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?2 -
I am pleased you do not represent the majority of conservative views and are becoming increasingly marginalisedHYUFD said:
Rubbish, show me one post I said no support was needed?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Rishi is demonstrating the conservative party has compassion and is prepared to support everyone irrespective of costs through this crisisHYUFD said:Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.
Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021
And contrary to some of your heartless posts yesterday
Stop emotive rants and focus on the actual facts, even Sunak recognised the government could not bail out everyone, some job losses would still occur and the government and taxpayers are not going to pay 100% of wages0 -
Deliveroo?Gallowgate said:What do people think about collecting takeaways? Is that responsible? I quite fancy a Nandos takeaway tonight...
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So they aren't printing money for this. All financed off the gilt markets.0
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We haven't heard anything like that amount, unless the loans aren't paid back.Casino_Royale said:We're going to be adding 500-800 billion to the national debt, aren't we?
I wonder (hope) all normal rules of economics go out the window if the whole world is doing it.0 -
Have the lobby's questions improved in any way?
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What? A 'chosen few'! What planet are you on?DAlexander said:This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.
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So every company can get 80% of all employees wages paid for by the government? Or have I misunderstood?
If that is what it is then it's completely mental.0 -
Italy now appears to say plus 15K new cases?0
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There were around 33 million on paye wouldn't describe that as few chosen or otherwiseDAlexander said:This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.
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What do self employed renters get?felix said:
What? A 'chosen few'! What planet are you on?DAlexander said:This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.
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SKY News livestreaming Presser along with video of central London:
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Youtube only seems to be defaulting down a level or two, but full quality is still available, all the way up to 8k 60fps:Casino_Royale said:The Netflix and YouTube news is precisely why I've never got rid of my DVD collection or DVD/Blu-ray player.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1La4QzGeaaQ
(fair warning, this may make your internet connection and/or computer explode)0 -
The scientist is very good on this presser.0
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I think if they are furloughed or not working. It doesn't include companies where work is continuing.DAlexander said:So every company can get 80% of all employees wages paid for by the government? Or have I misunderstood?
If that is what it is then it's completely mental.0 -
Pick it up yourself.Fysics_Teacher said:
Deliveroo?Gallowgate said:What do people think about collecting takeaways? Is that responsible? I quite fancy a Nandos takeaway tonight...
ZHC youngsters handling it is not what you want, and only buy from a place where you trust the hygiene standards.0 -
And the future may not be that far way.Richard_Tyndall said:Rishi continues to impress far more than any other politician at the moment. I would suggest he is genuine future PM material.
Totally eclipsed the bumbling BoZo who is not equipped to handle anything like this0 -
Away with your factless rantings and as Casino for example shows below many fellow conservatives are indeed concerned about adding vastly to our debt and tax bill, support has to be what is required and no moreBig_G_NorthWales said:
I am pleased you do not represent the majority of conservative views and are becoming increasingly marginalisedHYUFD said:
Rubbish, show me one post I said no support was needed?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Rishi is demonstrating the conservative party has compassion and is prepared to support everyone irrespective of costs through this crisisHYUFD said:Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.
Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021
And contrary to some of your heartless posts yesterday
Stop emotive rants and focus on the actual facts, even Sunak recognised the government could not bail out everyone, some job losses would still occur and the government and taxpayers are not going to pay 100% of wages0 -
I think that's fine.Gallowgate said:What do people think about collecting takeaways? Is that responsible? I quite fancy a Nandos takeaway tonight...
How's it different to popping to the shops to pick something up?
Just maintain your distance whilst inside until its ready if you get there early and don't touch anything.0 -
That's a legitimate fuck you to the self employed. What would be wrong with taking an average of their monthly income over the last 12 months and doing up to 80% with the same £2.5k limit. No need for benefits or universal credit or waiting times etc...TheWhiteRabbit said:
And VAT deferralsRobD said:
All I heard announced was the deferral of the income tax. They are clearly lacking in that area, so maybe some additional movement in that area once a scheme has been worked out. I expect it is quite tricky, with a lot of edge cases.MaxPB said:
What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.RobD said:
The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.RochdalePioneers said:Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?
Plus UC equivalent to statutory sick pay
This is going to put a lot of people on the breadline as rent comes due and the money isn't in the bank. It needs to be addressed ASAP.1 -
I thought there would be less risk for delivery than for collection. If you do collection, you are going to have dozens of people touching the counters/work surfaces. If it's delivery, there is much reduced risk of transmission. Unless you kiss your delivery driver, of course.Foxy said:
Pick it up yourself.Fysics_Teacher said:
Deliveroo?Gallowgate said:What do people think about collecting takeaways? Is that responsible? I quite fancy a Nandos takeaway tonight...
ZHC youngsters handling it is not what you want, and only buy from a place where you trust the hygiene standards.0 -
Listen to what he said. You're a moron.DAlexander said:
What do self employed renters get?felix said:
What? A 'chosen few'! What planet are you on?DAlexander said:This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.
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Takeaways reduce the stress on food shops.
Should not be closed.1 -
Difficult to believe Rishi is only 391
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We're going to have people on minimum wage working in supermarkets, putting their lives at risk and paying tax to go to people on much higher wages to sit at home doing nothing.
It's absurd.1 -
Read the ones with the softest, most absorbent paper first.Casino_Royale said:The Netflix and YouTube news is precisely why I've never got rid of my DVD collection or DVD/Blu-ray player.
As long as I have power I have lots of (physical) boxsets to watch. Similar reason I haven't got rid of my library of books too.1 -
Rishi said that employment relief would come via PAYE, which is an established system.MaxPB said:
That's a legitimate fuck you to the self employed. What would be wrong with taking an average of their monthly income over the last 12 months and doing up to 80% with the same £2.5k limit. No need for benefits or universal credit or waiting times etc...TheWhiteRabbit said:
And VAT deferralsRobD said:
All I heard announced was the deferral of the income tax. They are clearly lacking in that area, so maybe some additional movement in that area once a scheme has been worked out. I expect it is quite tricky, with a lot of edge cases.MaxPB said:
What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.RobD said:
The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.RochdalePioneers said:Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?
Plus UC equivalent to statutory sick pay
This is going to put a lot of people on the breadline as rent comes due and the money isn't in the bank. It needs to be addressed ASAP.
I do wonder if there is more that can be done for the self-employed, but the scheme you are suggested would mean the creation of a whole new system. It won't be able to assist with this month's rent.
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What's your suggestion?DAlexander said:We're going to have people on minimum wage working in supermarkets, putting their lives at risk and paying tax to go to people on much higher wages to sit at home doing nothing.
It's absurd.0 -
There's enough PPE now? Excellent if true.0
