Apparently we have people going about saying they won't change their habits and isolate because if you do that "you give in to it". To the virus.
I reckon there will be an almost perfect overlap between these people and that strand of Leavers who were well up for a Hard Brexit because "we stood alone in 1940 and we can do it again."
Sorry, but you know.
No coincidence that the prize plonker of the day award goes to the chap from Witherspoons who single-handedly led the charge of businesses for Brexit.
I have really tried to keep off Brexit but when I saw him in the news today saying that closes the pubs was an overreaction I immediately brought all his Brexit pronouncements to mind.
I will take a vow of silence on Brexit for the next month now!
He also said the Dutch approach is better - where they closed pubs a week ago
Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.
Got to say that I've been unhappy with the economic response up until now, but they seem to have switched mindset into genuine crisis mode. This looks like it'll do the job after all. I think a lot of people will now be a lot less stressed out than they were, and small businesses will be looking at a future they will now expect to see.
I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.
Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.
Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021
Rishi is demonstrating the conservative party has compassion and is prepared to support everyone irrespective of costs through this crisis
And contrary to some of your heartless posts yesterday
I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.
Talk about creating winners and losers. I get nothing for being self-employed, but have to fork out a fortune in higher taxes for decades.
I am going to make it my mission in life to pay as little tax as possible from now on.
How are the Italian figures still going up so rapidly despite lockdown? Is it just really badly policed or what?
Lockdown is 11 days old, so you wouldn't expect it to start to feed through to cases (let alone deaths) until about now.
I hope.
My concern is not that the deaths are increasing - as you say we unfortunately have to expect that given the average time rom infection to death is something like 18 days - but that the new cases are still increasing. I would have thought they would have started to tail off by now.
I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.
I want to see the small print before I get excited.
Bet you need to show you're down to your last few pennies before you get that.
Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.
That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.
I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for support
Rishi disagrees. Unlimited, he said.
Did he say 100% of wages covered, no.
Did he say zero job losses, no
Give it a rest man. You don’t have to be right about everything.
Yeah, I don't care what he says. They've done what I wanted and what they needed to do - direct grants (not loans) to support businesses and their staff. He can witter on about whatever he likes; the important thing is that it has been done.
Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.
Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021
Rishi is demonstrating the conservative party has compassion and is prepared to support everyone irrespective of costs through this crisis
And contrary to some of your heartless posts yesterday
Rubbish, show me one post I said no support was needed?
Stop emotive rants and focus on the actual facts, even Sunak recognised the government could not bail out everyone, some job losses would still occur and the government and taxpayers are not going to pay 100% of wages
I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.
Today is about stopping employees being made unemployed.
I can see the self-employed needing a further set of measures.
Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?
The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.
What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.
All I heard announced was the deferral of the income tax. They are clearly lacking in that area, so maybe some additional movement in that area once a scheme has been worked out. I expect it is quite tricky, with a lot of edge cases.
This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.
I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.
The self employed have a different tax and benefits regime to the employed and are deemed to take on more risk. While this is an unprecedented situation, maybe it is still felt that a 3-month furlough in trade is par for the course and you should be prepared to accept it.
How are the Italian figures still going up so rapidly despite lockdown? Is it just really badly policed or what?
Lockdown is 11 days old, so you wouldn't expect it to start to feed through to cases (let alone deaths) until about now.
I hope.
My concern is not that the deaths are increasing - as you say we unfortunately have to expect that given the average time rom infection to death is something like 18 days - but that the new cases are still increasing. I would have thought they would have started to tail off by now.
Whilst the system is in overload any attempt to measure statistical outcomes won’t work. The health services need to get in front of the game if they can when the pressure is not so great. Need to set up excess capacity at all levels as soon as possible, if you wait till it’s needed it’s too late.
Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?
The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.
What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.
All I heard announced was the deferral of the income tax. They are clearly lacking in that area, so maybe some additional movement in that area once a scheme has been worked out. I expect it is quite tricky, with a lot of edge cases.
Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?
Yup, exactly as I said yesterday Rochdale Pioneer first up to confirm whatever Sunak did would not be enough for the left, despite significant extra benefits announced for renters and support for the self employed
Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.
Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021
Rishi is demonstrating the conservative party has compassion and is prepared to support everyone irrespective of costs through this crisis
And contrary to some of your heartless posts yesterday
Rubbish, show me one post I said no support was needed?
Stop emotive rants and focus on the actual facts, even Sunak recognised the government could not bail out everyone, some job losses would still occur and the government and taxpayers are not going to pay 100% of wages
I am pleased you do not represent the majority of conservative views and are becoming increasingly marginalised
This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.
This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.
There were around 33 million on paye wouldn't describe that as few chosen or otherwise
This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.
The Netflix and YouTube news is precisely why I've never got rid of my DVD collection or DVD/Blu-ray player.
Youtube only seems to be defaulting down a level or two, but full quality is still available, all the way up to 8k 60fps: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1La4QzGeaaQ
(fair warning, this may make your internet connection and/or computer explode)
Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.
Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021
Rishi is demonstrating the conservative party has compassion and is prepared to support everyone irrespective of costs through this crisis
And contrary to some of your heartless posts yesterday
Rubbish, show me one post I said no support was needed?
Stop emotive rants and focus on the actual facts, even Sunak recognised the government could not bail out everyone, some job losses would still occur and the government and taxpayers are not going to pay 100% of wages
I am pleased you do not represent the majority of conservative views and are becoming increasingly marginalised
Away with your factless rantings and as Casino for example shows below many fellow conservatives are indeed concerned about adding vastly to our debt and tax bill, support has to be what is required and no more
Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?
The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.
What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.
All I heard announced was the deferral of the income tax. They are clearly lacking in that area, so maybe some additional movement in that area once a scheme has been worked out. I expect it is quite tricky, with a lot of edge cases.
And VAT deferrals
Plus UC equivalent to statutory sick pay
That's a legitimate fuck you to the self employed. What would be wrong with taking an average of their monthly income over the last 12 months and doing up to 80% with the same £2.5k limit. No need for benefits or universal credit or waiting times etc...
This is going to put a lot of people on the breadline as rent comes due and the money isn't in the bank. It needs to be addressed ASAP.
What do people think about collecting takeaways? Is that responsible? I quite fancy a Nandos takeaway tonight...
Deliveroo?
Pick it up yourself. ZHC youngsters handling it is not what you want, and only buy from a place where you trust the hygiene standards.
I thought there would be less risk for delivery than for collection. If you do collection, you are going to have dozens of people touching the counters/work surfaces. If it's delivery, there is much reduced risk of transmission. Unless you kiss your delivery driver, of course.
This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.
We're going to have people on minimum wage working in supermarkets, putting their lives at risk and paying tax to go to people on much higher wages to sit at home doing nothing.
Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?
The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.
What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.
All I heard announced was the deferral of the income tax. They are clearly lacking in that area, so maybe some additional movement in that area once a scheme has been worked out. I expect it is quite tricky, with a lot of edge cases.
And VAT deferrals
Plus UC equivalent to statutory sick pay
That's a legitimate fuck you to the self employed. What would be wrong with taking an average of their monthly income over the last 12 months and doing up to 80% with the same £2.5k limit. No need for benefits or universal credit or waiting times etc...
This is going to put a lot of people on the breadline as rent comes due and the money isn't in the bank. It needs to be addressed ASAP.
Rishi said that employment relief would come via PAYE, which is an established system.
I do wonder if there is more that can be done for the self-employed, but the scheme you are suggested would mean the creation of a whole new system. It won't be able to assist with this month's rent.
We're going to have people on minimum wage working in supermarkets, putting their lives at risk and paying tax to go to people on much higher wages to sit at home doing nothing.
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I think today or tomorrow marks the peak. (And have said this for some time.)
We'll know for sure by Tues/Weds next week.
Shit
I hope.
Not sure if that means the max is £2,000 per month or £2,500 per month.
Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021
The figures are scary- with another week or so before the peak....
Did he say zero job losses, no
This looks like it'll do the job after all. I think a lot of people will now be a lot less stressed out than they were, and small businesses will be looking at a future they will now expect to see.
Impressed. Good work Rishi and Boris.
Well done
Important point is it's by employee.
ie One paid £20k, one paid £60k.
Grant is £16K + £30k (or maybe £16k + £24k)
Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?
And contrary to some of your heartless posts yesterday
I am going to make it my mission in life to pay as little tax as possible from now on.
Bet you need to show you're down to your last few pennies before you get that.
Stop emotive rants and focus on the actual facts, even Sunak recognised the government could not bail out everyone, some job losses would still occur and the government and taxpayers are not going to pay 100% of wages
As long as I have power I have lots of (physical) boxsets to watch. Similar reason I haven't got rid of my library of books too.
I can see the self-employed needing a further set of measures.
Plus UC equivalent to statutory sick pay
I wonder (hope) all normal rules of economics go out the window if the whole world is doing it.
If that is what it is then it's completely mental.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1241047530873348096?s=20
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1La4QzGeaaQ
(fair warning, this may make your internet connection and/or computer explode)
ZHC youngsters handling it is not what you want, and only buy from a place where you trust the hygiene standards.
Totally eclipsed the bumbling BoZo who is not equipped to handle anything like this
How's it different to popping to the shops to pick something up?
Just maintain your distance whilst inside until its ready if you get there early and don't touch anything.
This is going to put a lot of people on the breadline as rent comes due and the money isn't in the bank. It needs to be addressed ASAP.
Should not be closed.
It's absurd.
I do wonder if there is more that can be done for the self-employed, but the scheme you are suggested would mean the creation of a whole new system. It won't be able to assist with this month's rent.