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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273

    Grants for wages!

    Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.

    That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.

    I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for support
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,772
    Stocky said:

    Pubs, restaurants, gyms, nightclubs, theatres, cinemas close tonight.

    To be reviewed in a month.

    Has parliament passed a law to enforce this?
    Civil Contingencies Act?
  • Grants for wages!

    Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.

    That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.

    This is huge and well done Rishi
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    HYUFD said:

    Grants for wages!

    Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.

    That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.

    I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for support
    He said it was unlimited. :o
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Pubs, restaurants, gyms, nightclubs, theatres, cinemas close tonight.

    To be reviewed in a month.

    All, or just London?
    All I think
    Yes everywhere
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    edited March 2020

    627 new deaths in Italy

    689 new healed

    Net increase in currently positive cases is 4670.
    So almost 6000 new cases

    The lock down is not working then
    10 Day lag time so too early to make any assumption.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,427
    HYUFD said:

    Grants for wages!

    Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.

    That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.

    I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for support
    Apparently we do. Huzzah
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 452
    Stocky said:

    Pubs, restaurants, gyms, nightclubs, theatres, cinemas close tonight.

    To be reviewed in a month.

    Has parliament passed a law to enforce this?
    Civil Contingencies Act 2004
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    Stocky said:

    Pubs, restaurants, gyms, nightclubs, theatres, cinemas close tonight.

    To be reviewed in a month.

    Has parliament passed a law to enforce this?
    Civil Contingencies Act?
    If it's not in that it'll be in the Coronavirus Act.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,993
    HYUFD said:

    Grants for wages!

    Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.

    That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.

    I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for support
    Rishi disagrees. Unlimited, he said.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357
    Speaker is going to be pissed off this isn't announced in the House.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,924

    How are the Italian figures still going up so rapidly despite lockdown? Is it just really badly policed or what?

    It's because there's about a 10 day gap between real infections and reported infections.

    I think today or tomorrow marks the peak. (And have said this for some time.)

    We'll know for sure by Tues/Weds next week.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    MaxPB said:

    Wow, what about self employed people?

    My son tells me the owner of his company "never got round to putting him on the books"

    Shit
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    How are the Italian figures still going up so rapidly despite lockdown? Is it just really badly policed or what?

    Lockdown is 11 days old, so you wouldn't expect it to start to feed through to cases (let alone deaths) until about now.

    I hope.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,664
    It's up to 80% of the wage of each employee up to £2,500 per month.

    Not sure if that means the max is £2,000 per month or £2,500 per month.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,210
    OllyT said:

    kinabalu said:

    Apparently we have people going about saying they won't change their habits and isolate because if you do that "you give in to it". To the virus.

    I reckon there will be an almost perfect overlap between these people and that strand of Leavers who were well up for a Hard Brexit because "we stood alone in 1940 and we can do it again."

    Sorry, but you know.

    No coincidence that the prize plonker of the day award goes to the chap from Witherspoons who single-handedly led the charge of businesses for Brexit.

    I have really tried to keep off Brexit but when I saw him in the news today saying that closes the pubs was an overreaction I immediately brought all his Brexit pronouncements to mind.

    I will take a vow of silence on Brexit for the next month now!
    He also said the Dutch approach is better - where they closed pubs a week ago
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    MikeL said:

    It's up to 80% of the wage of each employee up to £2,500 per month.

    Not sure if that means the max is £2,000 per month or £2,500 per month.

    I thought it meant the latter, but that was just my impression.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    MikeL said:

    It's up to 80% of the wage of each employee up to £2,500 per month.

    Not sure if that means the max is £2,000 per month or £2,500 per month.

    Either one is way higher than expectations.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273
    Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.

    Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Speaker is going to be pissed off this isn't announced in the House.

    Nah - Hoyle's not a drama queen like...you know, him, whats his name, the poison dwarf, forgotten his name.....
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,114
    edited March 2020
    Mortalities up 628 from yesterday in Italy.....

    The figures are scary- with another week or so before the peak....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273
    Housing benefit and UC increased for renters to cover 30% of standard rent in their area
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    MaxPB said:

    MikeL said:

    It's up to 80% of the wage of each employee up to £2,500 per month.

    Not sure if that means the max is £2,000 per month or £2,500 per month.

    Either one is way higher than expectations.
    Yeah, I was seeing numbers in the hundreds, not £2,500!
  • DAlexanderDAlexander Posts: 815
    MaxPB said:

    Wow, what about self employed people?

    I knew I should have registered a company and paid myself a dividend.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Just tucking into today's delicious shit sandwich.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273

    HYUFD said:

    Grants for wages!

    Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.

    That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.

    I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for support
    Rishi disagrees. Unlimited, he said.
    Did he say 100% of wages covered, no.

    Did he say zero job losses, no
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,048
    HYUFD said:

    Housing benefit and UC increased for renters to cover 30% of standard rent in their area

    That bit confused me. I thought that was already the figure?
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,993
    Got to say that I've been unhappy with the economic response up until now, but they seem to have switched mindset into genuine crisis mode.
    This looks like it'll do the job after all. I think a lot of people will now be a lot less stressed out than they were, and small businesses will be looking at a future they will now expect to see.

    Impressed. Good work Rishi and Boris.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,427
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Grants for wages!

    Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.

    That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.

    I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for support
    Rishi disagrees. Unlimited, he said.
    Did he say 100% of wages covered, no.

    Did he say zero job losses, no
    Give it a rest man. You don’t have to be right about everything.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,965
    After yesterday's wibble it is good to see decisive action on 2 fronts today.

    Well done
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,664
    edited March 2020
    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    It's up to 80% of the wage of each employee up to £2,500 per month.

    Not sure if that means the max is £2,000 per month or £2,500 per month.

    I thought it meant the latter, but that was just my impression.
    Probably, but not clear-cut.

    Important point is it's by employee.

    ie One paid £20k, one paid £60k.

    Grant is £16K + £30k (or maybe £16k + £24k)
  • Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.

    Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?
  • Is it wise to give Richie that much screen time? He seems to do well with it. Boris less so.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,147
    Rishi is something of a star performer. I suspect Boris is a little jealous.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.
  • HYUFD said:

    Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.

    Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021

    Rishi is demonstrating the conservative party has compassion and is prepared to support everyone irrespective of costs through this crisis

    And contrary to some of your heartless posts yesterday
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.

    Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?

    The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,147
    felix said:

    Rishi is something of a star performer. I suspect Boris is a little jealous.

    Quite liked Saj but I'm not sure he was as good as this.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273
    PM says licenses will be reviewed if pubs and restaurants do not comply with closure order but hopefully not needed
  • DAlexanderDAlexander Posts: 815
    MaxPB said:

    I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.

    Talk about creating winners and losers. I get nothing for being self-employed, but have to fork out a fortune in higher taxes for decades.

    I am going to make it my mission in life to pay as little tax as possible from now on.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,167
    edited March 2020

    How are the Italian figures still going up so rapidly despite lockdown? Is it just really badly policed or what?

    Because they didn't get on top of it at the start, seems to be the consensus view.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270
    IshmaelZ said:

    How are the Italian figures still going up so rapidly despite lockdown? Is it just really badly policed or what?

    Lockdown is 11 days old, so you wouldn't expect it to start to feed through to cases (let alone deaths) until about now.

    I hope.
    My concern is not that the deaths are increasing - as you say we unfortunately have to expect that given the average time rom infection to death is something like 18 days - but that the new cases are still increasing. I would have thought they would have started to tail off by now.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    MaxPB said:

    I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.

    I want to see the small print before I get excited.

    Bet you need to show you're down to your last few pennies before you get that.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Rent addressed via housing benefit. Not ideal but it's something.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357

    After yesterday's wibble it is good to see decisive action on 2 fronts today.

    Well done

    Yesterday was a holding position. Ideally they would not have had the daily presser at all as they thrashed out these measures.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,993

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Grants for wages!

    Yes! They've got a grip. The HYUFDs in Cabinet have been stopped.

    That looks pretty good to me. Nice work.

    I have never said no support, just we do not have a bottomless pit for support
    Rishi disagrees. Unlimited, he said.
    Did he say 100% of wages covered, no.

    Did he say zero job losses, no
    Give it a rest man. You don’t have to be right about everything.
    Yeah, I don't care what he says. They've done what I wanted and what they needed to do - direct grants (not loans) to support businesses and their staff. He can witter on about whatever he likes; the important thing is that it has been done.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273
    edited March 2020

    HYUFD said:

    Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.

    Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021

    Rishi is demonstrating the conservative party has compassion and is prepared to support everyone irrespective of costs through this crisis

    And contrary to some of your heartless posts yesterday
    Rubbish, show me one post I said no support was needed?

    Stop emotive rants and focus on the actual facts, even Sunak recognised the government could not bail out everyone, some job losses would still occur and the government and taxpayers are not going to pay 100% of wages
  • Is it wise to give Richie that much screen time? He seems to do well with it. Boris less so.

    Rishi
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    RobD said:

    Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.

    Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?

    The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.
    What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    The Netflix and YouTube news is precisely why I've never got rid of my DVD collection or DVD/Blu-ray player.

    As long as I have power I have lots of (physical) boxsets to watch. Similar reason I haven't got rid of my library of books too.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,848
    I said yesterday that I would believe the measures went far enough when I saw it. Seems today I owe mr Sunak an apology
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270
    Rishi continues to impress far more than any other politician at the moment. I would suggest he is genuine future PM material.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,427
    edited March 2020
    What do people think about collecting takeaways? Is that responsible? I quite fancy a Nandos takeaway tonight...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357
    edited March 2020
    MaxPB said:

    I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.

    Today is about stopping employees being made unemployed.

    I can see the self-employed needing a further set of measures.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,700
    Miss Vance, Grumpy.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.

    Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?

    The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.
    What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.
    All I heard announced was the deferral of the income tax. They are clearly lacking in that area, so maybe some additional movement in that area once a scheme has been worked out. I expect it is quite tricky, with a lot of edge cases.
  • DAlexanderDAlexander Posts: 815
    This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.
  • Is it wise to give Richie that much screen time? He seems to do well with it. Boris less so.

    Rishi
    Thank you for the correction.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,210
    MaxPB said:

    I don't understand why self employed people don't get the same protection as employed people. Give them 80% of their average monthly income from the previous financial year up to £2.5k, expect this to get messy over the weekend. Statutory sick pay is a joke and insult to millions of self employed people who are losing clients and business as much as people are being put out of work.

    The self employed have a different tax and benefits regime to the employed and are deemed to take on more risk. While this is an unprecedented situation, maybe it is still felt that a 3-month furlough in trade is par for the course and you should be prepared to accept it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    Just tucking into today's delicious shit sandwich.

    I hope you wash your hands afterwards, 20 seconds please...
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    IshmaelZ said:

    How are the Italian figures still going up so rapidly despite lockdown? Is it just really badly policed or what?

    Lockdown is 11 days old, so you wouldn't expect it to start to feed through to cases (let alone deaths) until about now.

    I hope.
    My concern is not that the deaths are increasing - as you say we unfortunately have to expect that given the average time rom infection to death is something like 18 days - but that the new cases are still increasing. I would have thought they would have started to tail off by now.
    Whilst the system is in overload any attempt to measure statistical outcomes won’t work. The health services need to get in front of the game if they can when the pressure is not so great. Need to set up excess capacity at all levels as soon as possible, if you wait till it’s needed it’s too late.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,450
    RobD said:

    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.

    Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?

    The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.
    What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.
    All I heard announced was the deferral of the income tax. They are clearly lacking in that area, so maybe some additional movement in that area once a scheme has been worked out. I expect it is quite tricky, with a lot of edge cases.
    And VAT deferrals

    Plus UC equivalent to statutory sick pay
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    We're going to be adding 500-800 billion to the national debt, aren't we?

    I wonder (hope) all normal rules of economics go out the window if the whole world is doing it.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,848

    What do people think about collecting takeaways? Is that responsible? I quite fancy a Nandos takeaway tonight...

    It is minimal contact as long as you phone your order in first I don't see it much different to delivery
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273
    edited March 2020

    Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.

    Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?

    Yup, exactly as I said yesterday Rochdale Pioneer first up to confirm whatever Sunak did would not be enough for the left, despite significant extra benefits announced for renters and support for the self employed
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.

    Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021

    Rishi is demonstrating the conservative party has compassion and is prepared to support everyone irrespective of costs through this crisis

    And contrary to some of your heartless posts yesterday
    Rubbish, show me one post I said no support was needed?

    Stop emotive rants and focus on the actual facts, even Sunak recognised the government could not bail out everyone, some job losses would still occur and the government and taxpayers are not going to pay 100% of wages
    I am pleased you do not represent the majority of conservative views and are becoming increasingly marginalised
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,284

    What do people think about collecting takeaways? Is that responsible? I quite fancy a Nandos takeaway tonight...

    Deliveroo?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    So they aren't printing money for this. All financed off the gilt markets.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,450

    We're going to be adding 500-800 billion to the national debt, aren't we?

    I wonder (hope) all normal rules of economics go out the window if the whole world is doing it.

    We haven't heard anything like that amount, unless the loans aren't paid back.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Have the lobby's questions improved in any way?

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,147

    This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.

    What? A 'chosen few'! What planet are you on?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    Pagan2 said:

    I said yesterday that I would believe the measures went far enough when I saw it. Seems today I owe mr Sunak an apology

    Fair play to you for this!
  • DAlexanderDAlexander Posts: 815
    So every company can get 80% of all employees wages paid for by the government? Or have I misunderstood?

    If that is what it is then it's completely mental.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    edited March 2020
    Italy now appears to say plus 15K new cases?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,848

    This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.

    There were around 33 million on paye wouldn't describe that as few chosen or otherwise
  • DAlexanderDAlexander Posts: 815
    felix said:

    This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.

    What? A 'chosen few'! What planet are you on?
    What do self employed renters get?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    SKY News livestreaming Presser along with video of central London:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1241047530873348096?s=20
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited March 2020

    The Netflix and YouTube news is precisely why I've never got rid of my DVD collection or DVD/Blu-ray player.

    Youtube only seems to be defaulting down a level or two, but full quality is still available, all the way up to 8k 60fps:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=1La4QzGeaaQ

    (fair warning, this may make your internet connection and/or computer explode)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    The scientist is very good on this presser.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    So every company can get 80% of all employees wages paid for by the government? Or have I misunderstood?

    If that is what it is then it's completely mental.

    I think if they are furloughed or not working. It doesn't include companies where work is continuing.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    edited March 2020

    What do people think about collecting takeaways? Is that responsible? I quite fancy a Nandos takeaway tonight...

    Deliveroo?
    Pick it up yourself.
    ZHC youngsters handling it is not what you want, and only buy from a place where you trust the hygiene standards.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895

    Rishi continues to impress far more than any other politician at the moment. I would suggest he is genuine future PM material.

    And the future may not be that far way.

    Totally eclipsed the bumbling BoZo who is not equipped to handle anything like this
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    What do people think about collecting takeaways? Is that responsible? I quite fancy a Nandos takeaway tonight...

    I think that's fine.

    How's it different to popping to the shops to pick something up?

    Just maintain your distance whilst inside until its ready if you get there early and don't touch anything.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273
    edited March 2020

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sunak also increases UC standard allowance by £1000 a year as he says he still cannot promise no job losses, self employed people to access UC at rate of SSP for employees.

    Self assessment patments deferred to January 2021

    Rishi is demonstrating the conservative party has compassion and is prepared to support everyone irrespective of costs through this crisis

    And contrary to some of your heartless posts yesterday
    Rubbish, show me one post I said no support was needed?

    Stop emotive rants and focus on the actual facts, even Sunak recognised the government could not bail out everyone, some job losses would still occur and the government and taxpayers are not going to pay 100% of wages
    I am pleased you do not represent the majority of conservative views and are becoming increasingly marginalised
    Away with your factless rantings and as Casino for example shows below many fellow conservatives are indeed concerned about adding vastly to our debt and tax bill, support has to be what is required and no more
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528

    RobD said:

    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.

    Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?

    The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.
    What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.
    All I heard announced was the deferral of the income tax. They are clearly lacking in that area, so maybe some additional movement in that area once a scheme has been worked out. I expect it is quite tricky, with a lot of edge cases.
    And VAT deferrals

    Plus UC equivalent to statutory sick pay
    That's a legitimate fuck you to the self employed. What would be wrong with taking an average of their monthly income over the last 12 months and doing up to 80% with the same £2.5k limit. No need for benefits or universal credit or waiting times etc...

    This is going to put a lot of people on the breadline as rent comes due and the money isn't in the bank. It needs to be addressed ASAP.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    edited March 2020
    Foxy said:

    What do people think about collecting takeaways? Is that responsible? I quite fancy a Nandos takeaway tonight...

    Deliveroo?
    Pick it up yourself.
    ZHC youngsters handling it is not what you want, and only buy from a place where you trust the hygiene standards.
    I thought there would be less risk for delivery than for collection. If you do collection, you are going to have dozens of people touching the counters/work surfaces. If it's delivery, there is much reduced risk of transmission. Unless you kiss your delivery driver, of course.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,147

    felix said:

    This feels like a mistake, showering money to a chosen few while others get nothing. They would have been better doing nothing at all, at least that would have been fairer.

    What? A 'chosen few'! What planet are you on?
    What do self employed renters get?
    Listen to what he said. You're a moron.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Takeaways reduce the stress on food shops.

    Should not be closed.
  • Difficult to believe Rishi is only 39
  • DAlexanderDAlexander Posts: 815
    We're going to have people on minimum wage working in supermarkets, putting their lives at risk and paying tax to go to people on much higher wages to sit at home doing nothing.

    It's absurd.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,848
    TGOHF666 said:

    Takeaways reduce the stress on food shops.

    Should not be closed.

    They aren't being closed
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    The Netflix and YouTube news is precisely why I've never got rid of my DVD collection or DVD/Blu-ray player.

    As long as I have power I have lots of (physical) boxsets to watch. Similar reason I haven't got rid of my library of books too.

    Read the ones with the softest, most absorbent paper first.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,450
    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Is that it??? If you are self employed or you rent you truly are screwed.

    Next set of "we've had a rethink" measures next Monday?

    The people who are paying rent should be getting money through the scheme just announced.
    What does a self employed person get, bottom line? Their income is getting hit just as hard as an employee.
    All I heard announced was the deferral of the income tax. They are clearly lacking in that area, so maybe some additional movement in that area once a scheme has been worked out. I expect it is quite tricky, with a lot of edge cases.
    And VAT deferrals

    Plus UC equivalent to statutory sick pay
    That's a legitimate fuck you to the self employed. What would be wrong with taking an average of their monthly income over the last 12 months and doing up to 80% with the same £2.5k limit. No need for benefits or universal credit or waiting times etc...

    This is going to put a lot of people on the breadline as rent comes due and the money isn't in the bank. It needs to be addressed ASAP.
    Rishi said that employment relief would come via PAYE, which is an established system.

    I do wonder if there is more that can be done for the self-employed, but the scheme you are suggested would mean the creation of a whole new system. It won't be able to assist with this month's rent.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    We're going to have people on minimum wage working in supermarkets, putting their lives at risk and paying tax to go to people on much higher wages to sit at home doing nothing.

    It's absurd.

    What's your suggestion?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    There's enough PPE now? Excellent if true.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Pagan2 said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Takeaways reduce the stress on food shops.

    Should not be closed.

    They aren't being closed
    Good - pubs and restaurants should be allowed to continue to do so.
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