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I wonder if Brian, the Msc maths student, or the History of Art Post-Doc will give their approval to locking away 70 year olds. It is clear we can't proceed unless they sign this off.1
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Yeah just a cough etc, a colleague has been confirmed as having it. Just got to keep my parents from going anywhere near her.SandyRentool said:
Hopefully she only gets mild symptoms.tlg86 said:Probably won’t find out for sure, but I’m almost certain my sister has it.
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Climate change and the virus are both symptoms of the same thing, too many people. One provides negative feedback more promptly than the other.SandyRentool said:With so many flights being cancelled - are Extinction Rebellion behind the virus?
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Globalisation has come full circle.Charles said:
Yes. Globalisation is done.RobD said:
While I am not arguing there won't be disruption, but a different era? Was the Spanish flu as transformative?Benpointer said:
Yes. Seismic shift.SouthamObserver said:This is going to change everything, isn’t it?
Pre-Corona v. Post-Corona will be different eras.0 -
A non-trivial proportion of the NHS is quite separate from the actual hospitals. Office buildings full of people doing work which keeps the whole thing going.FrancisUrquhart said:
I agree it is risky.MyBurningEars said:
Thing is, there are going to be (undiagnosed) people with the virus all through the healthcare system aren't there? Not obvious to me why working anywhere in a healthcare setting (even if you steer clear of intensive care etc) would be safer than a crowded restaurant or similar. Quite the reverse, presumably, although admittedly there would also be more precautions being taken e.g. PPE.FrancisUrquhart said:
I believe the general plan was always to stick the oldie doctors away from the frontline keeping other things running, while everybody else firefights. I think the medical students are the ones they want to throw in there onto the front line.MyBurningEars said:
In the context of keeping older people away from nasty bugs, recalling them into frontline healthcare settings is a policy that doesn't really make a lot of sense, unless I'm missing something?Andy_JS said:They may have to make exceptions to the 70 rule if they want doctors to come out of retirement to help out.
All I can think at the moment is: some retirees are younger; some work might be found that doesn't involve patient contact e.g. manning a telemedicine line?
It isn't 100% certain they will recall the oldies. They might just stick with throwing in the medical students.0 -
No. The minister on R4 said there is an advanced payments scheme in place which is "working very well".Benpointer said:Was there any change to the UC 5 week payment delay for new claimants mentioned in the budget?
Quite soon a lot of of companies are going to start laying people off I suspect.0 -
Good luck, and don't take any chances with your parents.tlg86 said:
Yeah just a cough etc, a colleague has been confirmed as having it. Just got to keep my parents from going anywhere near her.SandyRentool said:
Hopefully she only gets mild symptoms.tlg86 said:Probably won’t find out for sure, but I’m almost certain my sister has it.
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How many MPs are 70+?0
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A Mr J Corbyn of Islington...how unfortunate he will locked away for 4 months.Andy_JS said:How many MPs are 70+?
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How many frontline personnel does the NHS have in active duty?FrancisUrquhart said:What is it with no wanting to test?
Public Health England has ruled out testing frontline NHS staff for coronavirus unless they are admitted to hospital suffering suspected pneumonia or acute respiratory illness.
Nurses, doctors, paramedics and other frontline staff have been told by NHS officials to self-isolate if they develop any coronavirus symptoms such as a cough or a fever.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112917/NHS-says-NOT-test-frontline-medics-coronavirus.html
Number of tests has recently been ramped up to 3k. Is that enough for NHS personnel alone, many will have to tested multiple times?0 -
I'm working on them.GideonWise said:
Start scaring them. Seriously.Casino_Royale said:My folks are both over 70 and taking this entirely unseriously.
They basically think it's lefties/the younger generation being snowflakes and reacting to it is a bit wet.
I've tried to tell them in no uncertain terms it's the real deal but they aren't changing their plans, other than stopping going to the gym.
I'd send @eadric round to lose his shit on their doorstep, but my Dad would probably just send him away with a flee in his ear.0 -
Bat soup has a lot to answer for. (No offence intended).geoffw said:
Globalisation has come full circle.Charles said:
Yes. Globalisation is done.RobD said:
While I am not arguing there won't be disruption, but a different era? Was the Spanish flu as transformative?Benpointer said:
Yes. Seismic shift.SouthamObserver said:This is going to change everything, isn’t it?
Pre-Corona v. Post-Corona will be different eras.0 -
Wasn't it 5000 tests today?matthiasfromhamburg said:
How many frontline personnel does the NHS have in active duty?FrancisUrquhart said:What is it with no wanting to test?
Public Health England has ruled out testing frontline NHS staff for coronavirus unless they are admitted to hospital suffering suspected pneumonia or acute respiratory illness.
Nurses, doctors, paramedics and other frontline staff have been told by NHS officials to self-isolate if they develop any coronavirus symptoms such as a cough or a fever.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112917/NHS-says-NOT-test-frontline-medics-coronavirus.html
Number of tests has recently been ramped up to 3k. Is that enough for NHS personnel alone, many will have to tested multiple times?0 -
No one is going anywhere in the next four months other than their corner shop and local pharmacy.OllyT said:Barnesian said:
People over 70 in strict isolation at home - that's a joke!!algarkirk said:
If the policy in the UK is to allow the virus to spread in order to get herd immunity then surely it makes sense to isolate those most at risk of dying.
The way things are going by April 11 the only you will be getting to France to go skiing is swimming the Channel and walking the rest of the way. With everything countries have on their plates right now granddads travelling to France to go skiing in the thick of it does sound a tad selfish to me.
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That's the spirit! We'll tunnel our way out.Barnesian said:
I'm a 77 year old skier. No way will I stay in solitary confinement for four months! Now what could I do to deserve that? Bog roll mugger?Andy_JS said:
I hope age isn't the only determinant. Some 70 year olds are in better health than 55 year olds.williamglenn said:0 -
Chaos theory has a new wing-flapping poster child. “A bat flaps its wings in Wuhan...”Andy_JS said:
Bat soup has a lot to answer for. (No offence intended).geoffw said:
Globalisation has come full circle.Charles said:
Yes. Globalisation is done.RobD said:
While I am not arguing there won't be disruption, but a different era? Was the Spanish flu as transformative?Benpointer said:
Yes. Seismic shift.SouthamObserver said:This is going to change everything, isn’t it?
Pre-Corona v. Post-Corona will be different eras.1 -
Yes, it's definitely something.RobD said:
Even only cutting out the gym is probably a huge reduction in risk for them.Casino_Royale said:My folks are both over 70 and taking this entirely unseriously.
They basically think it's lefties/the younger generation being snowflakes and reacting to it is a bit wet.
I've tried to tell them in no uncertain terms it's the real deal but they aren't changing their plans, other than stopping going to the gym.
From my wife's WhatsApp their reaction is pretty typical of their generation.
None of my friends parents are worrying either.0 -
A new delivery of bog roll has been made available on a new thread...0
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"Darkest day yet"rottenborough said:
They really need to get some perspective. It's going to get A LOT worse.0 -
Are we clear thst creating herd immunity is actually the policy? It seems like one of the boffins mentioned it but the people involved in making the model seem saying this is just an inevitable outcome, rather than the goal. Then a bunch of people who *support* the government seem to be jumping on it because it gives them a way to claim the delay and confusion was part of a cunning and brilliant expert plan, rather than the British getting knocked on their arses like everybody else without recent SARS experience.OllyT said:
If the policy in the UK is to allow the virus to spread in order to get herd immunity then surely it makes sense to isolate those most at risk of dying.0 -
People over 70 are going to die anyway. They've had the bulk of their lives. No-one wants to end up dribbling their last years in a care home in Weston-Super-Mare. When you're old you should take risks and live for the moment. What the hell.OllyT said:Barnesian said:
People over 70 in strict isolation at home - that's a joke!!algarkirk said:
If the policy in the UK is to allow the virus to spread in order to get herd immunity then surely it makes sense to isolate those most at risk of dying.
The way things are going by April 11 the only you will be getting to France to go skiing is swimming the Channel and walking the rest of the way. With everything countries have on their plates right now granddads travelling to France to go skiing in the thick of it does sound a tad selfish to me.
I think this "protect the old by locking them up" is plain bonkers.0 -
“Safeguards introduced after Dr Harald Shipman will also be suspended”rottenborough said:0 -
It feels to me like the working assumption is starting to be “it’s late March, if you have a cough and a fever you have it”.FrancisUrquhart said:
Wasn't it 5000 tests today?matthiasfromhamburg said:
How many frontline personnel does the NHS have in active duty?FrancisUrquhart said:What is it with no wanting to test?
Public Health England has ruled out testing frontline NHS staff for coronavirus unless they are admitted to hospital suffering suspected pneumonia or acute respiratory illness.
Nurses, doctors, paramedics and other frontline staff have been told by NHS officials to self-isolate if they develop any coronavirus symptoms such as a cough or a fever.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112917/NHS-says-NOT-test-frontline-medics-coronavirus.html
Number of tests has recently been ramped up to 3k. Is that enough for NHS personnel alone, many will have to tested multiple times?
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The stuff about needing post-mortems? Grim, but makes sense.williamglenn said:
“Safeguards introduced after Dr Harald Shipman will also be suspended”rottenborough said:
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Good for your dad. I assume your parents are adults and can think for themselves.Casino_Royale said:
I'm working on them.GideonWise said:
Start scaring them. Seriously.Casino_Royale said:My folks are both over 70 and taking this entirely unseriously.
They basically think it's lefties/the younger generation being snowflakes and reacting to it is a bit wet.
I've tried to tell them in no uncertain terms it's the real deal but they aren't changing their plans, other than stopping going to the gym.
I'd send @eadric round to lose his shit on their doorstep, but my Dad would probably just send him away with a flee in his ear.1 -
It's their children that are the problem.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, it's definitely something.RobD said:
Even only cutting out the gym is probably a huge reduction in risk for them.Casino_Royale said:My folks are both over 70 and taking this entirely unseriously.
They basically think it's lefties/the younger generation being snowflakes and reacting to it is a bit wet.
I've tried to tell them in no uncertain terms it's the real deal but they aren't changing their plans, other than stopping going to the gym.
From my wife's WhatsApp their reaction is pretty typical of their generation.
None of my friends parents are worrying either.0 -
Edmund do you think there is a Brit, or a Japanese national living in Britain, sat on a Japanese forum ripping into the Japanese response?edmundintokyo said:
Are we clear thst creating herd immunity is actually the policy? It seems like one of the boffins mentioned it but the people involved in making the model seem saying this is just an inevitable outcome, rather than the goal. Then a bunch of people who *support* the government seem to be jumping on it because it gives them a way to claim the delay and confusion was part of a cunning and brilliant expert plan, rather than the British getting knocked on their arses like everybody else without recent SARS experience.OllyT said:
If the policy in the UK is to allow the virus to spread in order to get herd immunity then surely it makes sense to isolate those most at risk of dying.
There is something quite distasteful with the tone of that post IMO.
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So go out and enjoy life but don't expect to get significant treatment if you fall ill.Barnesian said:
People over 70 are going to die anyway. They've had the bulk of their lives. No-one wants to end up dribbling their last years in a care home in Weston-Super-Mare. When you're old you should take risks and live for the moment. What the hell.OllyT said:Barnesian said:
People over 70 in strict isolation at home - that's a joke!!algarkirk said:
If the policy in the UK is to allow the virus to spread in order to get herd immunity then surely it makes sense to isolate those most at risk of dying.
The way things are going by April 11 the only you will be getting to France to go skiing is swimming the Channel and walking the rest of the way. With everything countries have on their plates right now granddads travelling to France to go skiing in the thick of it does sound a tad selfish to me.
I think this "protect the old by locking them up" is plain bonkers.0 -
Yes. My job is to make the risks clear to them.Barnesian said:
Good for your dad. I assume your parents are adults and can think for themselves.Casino_Royale said:
I'm working on them.GideonWise said:
Start scaring them. Seriously.Casino_Royale said:My folks are both over 70 and taking this entirely unseriously.
They basically think it's lefties/the younger generation being snowflakes and reacting to it is a bit wet.
I've tried to tell them in no uncertain terms it's the real deal but they aren't changing their plans, other than stopping going to the gym.
I'd send @eadric round to lose his shit on their doorstep, but my Dad would probably just send him away with a flee in his ear.
I've been equally clear I'm not visiting them again for the foreseeable unless I'm 100% convinced it's safe, and we're totally clean.0 -
Not really wishing to defend the MoS scarmongering but doesn't the word "yet" address your point?RobD said:
"Darkest day yet"rottenborough said:
They really need to get some perspective. It's going to get A LOT worse.0 -
Having similar conversations with family.Casino_Royale said:
Yes. My job is to make the risks clear to them.Barnesian said:
Good for your dad. I assume your parents are adults and can think for themselves.Casino_Royale said:
I'm working on them.GideonWise said:
Start scaring them. Seriously.Casino_Royale said:My folks are both over 70 and taking this entirely unseriously.
They basically think it's lefties/the younger generation being snowflakes and reacting to it is a bit wet.
I've tried to tell them in no uncertain terms it's the real deal but they aren't changing their plans, other than stopping going to the gym.
I'd send @eadric round to lose his shit on their doorstep, but my Dad would probably just send him away with a flee in his ear.
I've been equally clear I'm not visiting them again for the foreseeable unless I'm 100% convinced it's safe, and we're totally clean.
Are PBers like me and @eadric and the Chief Scientist the only people in UK taking this seriously?0 -
Quite possibly until Monday. And pretty much every day thereafter for about 4 months.RobD said:
"Darkest day yet"rottenborough said:
They really need to get some perspective. It's going to get A LOT worse.1 -
We could do deal. They sign a document to say 'forget me in the corridor of A&E', don't give me a precious ventilator etc etc.GideonWise said:
So go out and enjoy life but don't expect to get significant treatment if you fall ill.Barnesian said:
People over 70 are going to die anyway. They've had the bulk of their lives. No-one wants to end up dribbling their last years in a care home in Weston-Super-Mare. When you're old you should take risks and live for the moment. What the hell.OllyT said:Barnesian said:
People over 70 in strict isolation at home - that's a joke!!algarkirk said:
If the policy in the UK is to allow the virus to spread in order to get herd immunity then surely it makes sense to isolate those most at risk of dying.
The way things are going by April 11 the only you will be getting to France to go skiing is swimming the Channel and walking the rest of the way. With everything countries have on their plates right now granddads travelling to France to go skiing in the thick of it does sound a tad selfish to me.
I think this "protect the old by locking them up" is plain bonkers.
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They don't need to, the decision will be made for them.rottenborough said:
We could do deal. They sign a document to say 'forget me in the corridor of A&E', don't give me a precious ventilator etc etc.GideonWise said:
So go out and enjoy life but don't expect to get significant treatment if you fall ill.Barnesian said:
People over 70 are going to die anyway. They've had the bulk of their lives. No-one wants to end up dribbling their last years in a care home in Weston-Super-Mare. When you're old you should take risks and live for the moment. What the hell.OllyT said:Barnesian said:
People over 70 in strict isolation at home - that's a joke!!algarkirk said:
If the policy in the UK is to allow the virus to spread in order to get herd immunity then surely it makes sense to isolate those most at risk of dying.
The way things are going by April 11 the only you will be getting to France to go skiing is swimming the Channel and walking the rest of the way. With everything countries have on their plates right now granddads travelling to France to go skiing in the thick of it does sound a tad selfish to me.
I think this "protect the old by locking them up" is plain bonkers.0 -
A bloke on 5 live now saying same about herdGideonWise said:
Edmund do you think there is a Brit, or a Japanese national living in Britain, sat on a Japanese forum ripping into the Japanese response?edmundintokyo said:
Are we clear thst creating herd immunity is actually the policy? It seems like one of the boffins mentioned it but the people involved in making the model seem saying this is just an inevitable outcome, rather than the goal. Then a bunch of people who *support* the government seem to be jumping on it because it gives them a way to claim the delay and confusion was part of a cunning and brilliant expert plan, rather than the British getting knocked on their arses like everybody else without recent SARS experience.OllyT said:
If the policy in the UK is to allow the virus to spread in order to get herd immunity then surely it makes sense to isolate those most at risk of dying.
There is something quite distasteful with the tone of that post IMO.
Experiment UK Govt letter0 -
Here’s a mad idea.
Pay airlines to use grounded planes and empty airports as Covid 19 triage/isolation centres. Aircrews are good at looking after people, planes have beds. AI reports can move large numbers of people around securely. Lots of catering capacity.0
