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dettol wipes are gone everywhere, was reasonable amount of toilet roll in local Sainsbury's but places like aldi etc seem to be getting strippedBlack_Rook said:
Based on my experience of the cleared spaces in the big Tesco on Friday night, the hoarders appear to regard the necessities of survival as being, in descending order:FrancisUrquhart said:
I wonder if the behavioural insight team successfully modelled it would be bog roll that people went mental over, rather than feeding yourself for 3 months, having drugs to manage flu like symptoms or perhaps not going to locations where you were most likely to catch it.Black_Rook said:Just remembered: today's Bog Roll Watch. The other Mr Rook was in town this morning, none available anywhere (Tesco Express, Morrisons or Savers.) Also, a notice on the door of Savers to the effect that they've already had to call out the local constabulary twice to break up fights between irate customers, and will not hesitate to do so again.
If the supply of Andrex isn't normalized again by the end of the week I fear that anarchy may ensue. And I say that only half-jokingly.
1. Andrex
2. Kleenex
3. Pasta
4. Flour (yes, I don't understand that one either)
5. Canned fish
Admittedly I wasn't going around the whole shop doing a survey, so I don't know for example if all the paracetamol had been cleared out (although it certainly was earlier in the week,) but that was the general pattern.
There was also heavy depletion of baked beans, tinned tomatoes and washing up liquid, but stocks of fresh and frozen food didn't look too threadbare given that this was after the post-work rush on a Friday evening.0 -
Welsh drive-thru testing centres, opened with a bang on 6 March, closed with a whimper 8 days later:
http://www.wrexham.com/news/rossett-coronavirus-testing-unit-closed-along-with-all-three-others-in-north-wales-as-routine-community-testing-ends-182546.html1 -
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These numbers will change when the deaths start ramping up.HYUFD said:0 -
It has to be said that your prediction some weeks ago, of a world in meltdown seemed to be the work of a successful, but crazed and mischievous fiction writer.eadric said:
Do you remember that conversation you and I had about a week ago? I predicted that most international air travel would come to an end in about a fortnight.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The only people panic buying are those who believe in your postseadric said:
No, It's a big Tesco on the North Circular. I have actually been to that Tesco many times, as it's not far from East Finchley, where my older daughter livesIanB2 said:
Isn’t it a service station on the M25?Andy_JS said:
What sort of a place is Colney Hatch? Never heard of it.eadric said:
In the end there will be wartime style rationing, and things will calm down. Everyone will get their 1-2 rolls per bottom per week.WhisperingOracle said:Panic buying is a slippery and dubious concept to identify, and generally more favourable to governments and those organising than individuals. What is irrational at one momemt can be immediately rational the next - I think rather the blanket condemnation of it it might be better for governments or supermarkets to focus on the positive - we everyone at some times might have reasons to buy more, but if we operate a more shared and gradual approach supplies are less likely to run out.
It's the few weeks of possible chaos/shortage between now and then that need to be bridged. And I mean chaos
https://twitter.com/M_Davieswrites/status/1238728814110355457?s=20
But it's not just Londoners panic buying.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11173697/coronavirus-panic-buyers-raid-tesco-shelves-leave-destruction/
Hence why it is not widespead
You loudly scoffed and said "Huh, let's revisit that tweet in two weeks, shall we?"
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1238893184060719107?s=20
https://twitter.com/KevzPolitics/status/1238871654572449794?s=20
https://twitter.com/Graphenes1/status/1238891309789822977?s=20
https://twitter.com/Justice_forum/status/1238788385327779840?s=20
Today it is a reality. You are indeed a visionary soothsayer!0 -
FutureLearn have got the platform - content, appraisal and community.eristdoof said:
I'm sure that the idea of "moving classes to online courses" is a nice idea from university admin but has not actually been properly thought through.ydoethur said:
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2020/03/14/university-moves-2019-20-classes-online/rottenborough said:
Suspended? Or do they mean all lectures to be done via video and online course material etc etc?kjh said:
Liverpoolydoethur said:
Which university is that?kjh said:
The University news was the biggest shock. Suspended as of today (by email to students) for rest of academic year.Black_Rook said:
My mother and stepfather were meant to be going to Tenerife this month, rescheduled it to late May when this whole thing started to kick off because they were worried about being stuck out there (he's due in hospital in about ten days' time for elective surgery.)kjh said:Sigh: Holiday of a life time to USA in 6 weeks looking doubtful, wife's trip to Spain in 2 weeks looking very doubtful and my daughter's university effectively just closed, all in the space of 5 minutes.
Trump's speech made all his previously ones look, well positively presidential. How the hell did he get the job?
We were discussing this yesterday, along with planning for self-isolation. He might get his op, but I think their holiday's toast. I doubt that any plans of that kind are worth anything until July at the earliest, and then you'll only be travelling if your hotel and/or airline haven't gone bust in the meantime.
That seems to me to be pretty disruptive. How do science students do practicals?
Just one example of the many possible problems.
I have done online lecturing for the "Virtual Fahchochschule" as part of my work at a uni in Berlin. We used special software to do this, ... each online coure has it's own virual classroom ... On Thursday morning we got the news that lectures for the summer semester would be starting 20 days later. On Thursday afternoon we got an email from the IT administrator at the Virtual FachHochschule, having clearly had hundreds of emails from lecturers asking if they could teach their course online. He said the VFH currently has licenses for 500 courses, the uni would need licenses for over 5000 courses, and even if the money is there to pay for this, they can't orgainse the set up for so many courses just like that.
If people think "moving to online courses" means everyone logging into Skype, they are very much mistaken.
They even have a course on how to teach online.
https://www.futurelearn.com/subjects/teaching-courses/how-to-teach-online?utm_campaign=fl_march_2020&utm_medium=futurelearn_organic_email&utm_source=newsletter_broadcast&utm_term=200313_ADH__0030_COVID&utm_content=course01_title0 -
A female Boris in some ways , not the chucking it about though.ydoethur said:
Even allowing for the pillockish recent behaviour of Sinn Fein, every time Arlene Foster opens her mouth I have every sympathy with their refusal to work with her.CarlottaVance said:
She’s a stupider version of Leo Varadkar.0 -
And lasts for months, stored at room temperature. Odd thing to be puzzled about.ydoethur said:@Black_Rook
Flour makes bread!0 -
CNN says 60% of the raw material for UK toilet paper is imported.0
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I am reminded of Malcolm Rifkind’s acid comment on Tony Blair:malcolmg said:
A female Boris in some ways , not the chucking it about though.ydoethur said:
Even allowing for the pillockish recent behaviour of Sinn Fein, every time Arlene Foster opens her mouth I have every sympathy with their refusal to work with her.CarlottaVance said:
She’s a stupider version of Leo Varadkar.
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I saw a good photo on social media recently - someone had thumbed in, in dust on a van - "toilet paper is not stored in this van overnight".3
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And that 30% would do what, precisely? Against the advice of experts.....HYUFD said:1 -
rcs1000 said:
The Prophet forbade intoxication, which includes alcohol.Mysticrose said:
Erm ... they may not have been but I've seen any manner of apparently non-Muslim antics from Arabs abroad.rcs1000 said:That's looks like a Saudi Arabian Airlines plane from the colour scheme, so whatever those passengers are, they're not drunk.
As it happens the Prophet (pbuh) didn't ban alcohol anyway. In a choice between water, alcohol and milk he singled out milk. He didn't actually ban the alcohol (haram) - that's a later interpretation.
You're far more likely to see a Muslim cave-in for a tipple than eat pork. Truly.
The point I was making is that Saudi Arabian Airlines does not serve alcohol. And if you were flying from Saudi Arabia, you would not have had a chance to imbibe before the flight.
So, the story simply doesn't fit.rcs1000 said:
My thoughts exactly.Mysticrose said:
Erm ... they may not have been but I've seen any manner of apparently non-Muslim antics from Arabs abroad.rcs1000 said:That's looks like a Saudi Arabian Airlines plane from the colour scheme, so whatever those passengers are, they're not drunk.
As it happens the Prophet (pbuh) didn't ban alcohol anyway. In a choice between water, alcohol and milk he singled out milk. He didn't actually ban the alcohol (haram) - that's a later interpretation.
You're far more likely to see a Muslim cave-in for a tipple than eat pork. Truly.0 -
Lol yes along with everything else. On BP, had it checked by a nurse again this morning. Was 128/83 so better news than the 140/90 readings I was getting for my Vitality free health checkup Wednesday evening.IanB2 said:CNN says 60% of the raw material for UK toilet paper is imported.
Will just have to make sure I don't get stressed if I catch corona
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France just announcing all bars restaurants etc closed from midnight tonight.0
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I read the old yellow vests mob still protested today.Paristonda said:France just announcing all bars restaurants etc closed from midnight tonight.
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Massive hit to the economy - again.Paristonda said:France just announcing all bars restaurants etc closed from midnight tonight.
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What kind of and arse do you have Casino needing 3 rolls a weekCasino_Royale said:How much bog roll does a family of four need?
I reckon I'd need 2-3 rolls a week (max), same for my wife and one each for two kids. So let's be conservative and say 8 rolls a week.
Assuming this "crisis" lasts 4 months and you cannot (ever) buy bog roll again then no-one should be buying more than 150 rolls with contingency.
So 9-10 packs of Andrex (16 roll bundles) should do anyone.
Anyone trying to buy more should be given a slap and told to put it back on the shelf.3 -
As Trump would say SADDDDDD...
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112481/London-shopper-mugged-toilet-paper-broad-daylight.html0 -
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Caught straying by Hillary or Cherie........hmmmydoethur said:
I am reminded of Malcolm Rifkind’s acid comment on Tony Blair:malcolmg said:
A female Boris in some ways , not the chucking it about though.ydoethur said:
Even allowing for the pillockish recent behaviour of Sinn Fein, every time Arlene Foster opens her mouth I have every sympathy with their refusal to work with her.CarlottaVance said:
She’s a stupider version of Leo Varadkar.
‘He’s Bill Clinton without the sex...so far as we know.’
Edgy, but more likely to get away with it with Hillary. Slightly!0 -
Air and ship crews are specifically exempted from the US ban.ydoethur said:0 -
6 months worth of food can fit into just over a cubic meter if you buy smart and pack well. That's with a shopping list including olives and capers not just boring shit.eadric said:
Yes, I think there will be some disorder, which is one reason I am fairly keen to leave London.Black_Rook said:
You may well be right. This thing's now about getting ahead of the curve: if you spend too much time feeling guilty about what other people won't be getting because you've got it, you just end up becoming other people yourself. Once the panic buying gets past a certain critical mass, the first wave of them stop looking silly and start looking prescient - and, until the retailers and the Government itself take proper action to restore order, it's very much a case of every household for itself.eadric said:
In the end there will be wartime style rationing, and things will calm down. Everyone will get their 1-2 rolls per bottom per week.WhisperingOracle said:Panic buying is a slippery and dubious concept to identify, and generally more favourable to governments and those organising than individuals. What is irrational at one momemt can be immediately rational the next - I think rather the blanket condemnation of it it might be better for governments or supermarkets to focus on the positive - we everyone at some times might have reasons to buy more, but if we operate a more shared and gradual approach supplies are less likely to run out.
It's the few weeks of possible chaos/shortage between now and then that need to be bridged. And I mean chaos
https://twitter.com/M_Davieswrites/status/1238728814110355457?s=20
I have to be a bit choosy about what I stockpile because we've not got the space in the flat, but if we had a spare room I'd be filling it with at least two months' worth of long shelf life supplies.
Oh, and if everyone thinks it's bad now, wait until the order goes out for every vulnerable sick person and everyone over 70 to go into quarantine at once. It'll be like those scenes when Black Friday first arrived in Britain, or possibly even the 2011 London riots. Fisticuffs are inevitable; outright civil disorder and looting is a distinct possibility.
BTW I also have a fairly small flat, but I've just accepted that half the living room is going to be full of tinned sardines and M&S penne for a while. Either we will shift it to a bigger place outside London, or we will eat it here. The problem will solve itself in time.
Accepting all this is part of coping, I reckon.1 -
3-4 times a week?! More like a day for me. Too much roughage perhaps.FrankBooth said:I can't believe I'm discussing this stuff on pb. A toilet roll will last me several months based on being needed 3-4 times a week and using 5-6 sheets per time.
I do go out of the house. Having lived with people in the past I'm genuinely confused by the amount of toilet roll some people feel the need to use. It's a bit different if you have a cold and use them for tissues of course - that's when I would be going through them.0 -
Do the police have anything to go on?FrancisUrquhart said:As Trump would say SADDDDDD...
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112481/London-shopper-mugged-toilet-paper-broad-daylight.html
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Does London have a particular problem with toilet roll ?FrancisUrquhart said:As Trump would say SADDDDDD...
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112481/London-shopper-mugged-toilet-paper-broad-daylight.html
That tweet earlier was from Barnet.0 -
France has reported a total of 4,499 confirmed coronavirus cases – up from 3,661 on Friday, according to official figures.0
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Flour has a surprising short best before date on it. Only a few months.IshmaelZ said:
And lasts for months, stored at room temperature. Odd thing to be puzzled about.ydoethur said:@Black_Rook
Flour makes bread!0 -
Blimey, almost a thousand new casesFrancisUrquhart said:France has reported a total of 4,499 confirmed coronavirus cases – up from 3,661 on Friday, according to official figures.
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I’ve just been to my local tesco, and as with many others it was cleaned out. They must be raking the cash in. It must be (literally) like Christmas.0
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Fixed that for you.Pulpstar said:
Does London have a particular problem with toilet roll ?FrancisUrquhart said:As Trump would say SADDDDDD...
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112481/London-shopper-mugged-toilet-paper-broad-daylight.html
That tweet earlier was from Barnet.0 -
Given a funeral service was the source of a big outbreak in Spain(?), there are going to be similar mourner-free cremations, with services of remembrance following some months down the line when gatherings are risk-free.eadric said:
Fair enough. I have no wish to argue with anyone on here, indeed I wish we could all be nice to each other. Life is going to be miserable for quite some time. Friendliness with be precious.Cyclefree said:
I am curious and interested in people and his life story sounds genuinely intriguing. And I can assure you that if you are interested in what someone is saying it is very easy to find out information from someone without interrogating them or torturing them, indeed without them even realising what they are revealingeadric said:
Why the hell would I interrogate him aggressively, like that, when we were having a friendly if gloomy chat?? He was a nice guy. Smart and personable. I'm not going to put a shank to his throat and demand the truth.Cyclefree said:Re @eadric’s Albanian cab driver in his late 30’s, who lived in Milan for 18 years and then moved to Britain and took the Knowledge before becoming a black cab driver (estimated to take 2 - 3 years), I’m intrigued.
At what age did he move to Italy? When did he become an Italian citizen? When did he move to Britain and why? How did he earn his living while doing the Knowledge? And how long has he been a taxi driver?
Would be the questions I would have asked him had I been sat in the back of his cab.
You have some odd personal habits.
Most people, after all, are very willing to talk about themselves, as we see on here.
As it happens I can quite believe that funerals and cremations are being rushed through with little if any ceremony, from my own knowledge of Italy. It is not something which started with this virus but has certainly been accelerated by it.
I am telling the truth about the cab driver (or at least I am reporting truthrfully what he said). I also believed his stories, or rather - I believed that he believed them, through genuine personal contacts in Italy.
Immediate and funeral-less cremation of bodies is what happened in China.
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Still longer than baked bread!Alistair said:
Flour has a surprising short best before date on it. Only a few months.IshmaelZ said:
And lasts for months, stored at room temperature. Odd thing to be puzzled about.ydoethur said:@Black_Rook
Flour makes bread!0 -
Is it full of shits?Pulpstar said:
Does London have a particular problem with toilet roll ?FrancisUrquhart said:As Trump would say SADDDDDD...
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112481/London-shopper-mugged-toilet-paper-broad-daylight.html
That tweet earlier was from Barnet.0 -
At this rate there are going to be enormous numbers of companies going bust all over the developed world. Not just little ones like bars, the airlines too. Which will create a massive economic problem as swathes of people find themselves unable to pay for food if they can find any in the shops.
Which government is going to launch a universal basic income first...?2 -
My guess would be that as all stores run JIT systems, and unexpected demand obviously causes knock on effects throughout the supply chain e.g. Last year with the bad snow, my local store missed 2 days of delivery and it took 2 weeks before full shelves.Pulpstar said:
Does London have a particular problem with toilet roll ?FrancisUrquhart said:As Trump would say SADDDDDD...
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112481/London-shopper-mugged-toilet-paper-broad-daylight.html
That tweet earlier was from Barnet.
The shear population of London is probably making that effect more visible.0 -
On ultra low margin stuff, so not that much like Christmas.Time_to_Leave said:I’ve just been to my local tesco, and as with many others it was cleaned out. They must be raking the cash in. It must be (literally) like Christmas.
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140/90 is not that bad unless it is all the time, no worries even thenPulpstar said:
Lol yes along with everything else. On BP, had it checked by a nurse again this morning. Was 128/83 so better news than the 140/90 readings I was getting for my Vitality free health checkup Wednesday evening.IanB2 said:CNN says 60% of the raw material for UK toilet paper is imported.
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The French would protest a nuclear holocaust.FrancisUrquhart said:
I read the old yellow vests mob still protested today.Paristonda said:France just announcing all bars restaurants etc closed from midnight tonight.
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In the week it’s my practice to wait until I get to work for my morning dump. I like to do it on their time with their equipment*. I hadn’t thought of this before, but if we all have to work from home this means my calculations will be off.northern_monkey said:
3-4 times a week?! More like a day for me. Too much roughage perhaps.FrankBooth said:I can't believe I'm discussing this stuff on pb. A toilet roll will last me several months based on being needed 3-4 times a week and using 5-6 sheets per time.
I do go out of the house. Having lived with people in the past I'm genuinely confused by the amount of toilet roll some people feel the need to use. It's a bit different if you have a cold and use them for tissues of course - that's when I would be going through them.
*On a similar theme an officer in the Met once advised me to only really get drunk on Thursday nights. It was his practice to be hungover and feel crap on the Queen’s time and use his weekend productively.
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If they find the culprit, surely a case for trial by the Master of the Rolls?FrancisUrquhart said:As Trump would say SADDDDDD...
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112481/London-shopper-mugged-toilet-paper-broad-daylight.html6 -
I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.0
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Time to ban travel from France.FrancisUrquhart said:France has reported a total of 4,499 confirmed coronavirus cases – up from 3,661 on Friday, according to official figures.
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In fairness, that would piss me off too.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
The French would protest a nuclear holocaust.FrancisUrquhart said:
I read the old yellow vests mob still protested today.Paristonda said:France just announcing all bars restaurants etc closed from midnight tonight.
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Or invade. It’s the last thing they’ll expect and we can at least regain Normandy.Pulpstar said:
Time to ban travel from France.FrancisUrquhart said:France has reported a total of 4,499 confirmed coronavirus cases – up from 3,661 on Friday, according to official figures.
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Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
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Some could polish that off in a few daysAlistair said:
6 months worth of food can fit into just over a cubic meter if you buy smart and pack well. That's with a shopping list including olives and capers not just boring shit.eadric said:
Yes, I think there will be some disorder, which is one reason I am fairly keen to leave London.Black_Rook said:
You may well be right. This thing's now about getting ahead of the curve: if you spend too much time feeling guilty about what other people won't be getting because you've got it, you just end up becoming other people yourself. Once the panic buying gets past a certain critical mass, the first wave of them stop looking silly and start looking prescient - and, until the retailers and the Government itself take proper action to restore order, it's very much a case of every household for itself.eadric said:
In the end there will be wartime style rationing, and things will calm down. Everyone will get their 1-2 rolls per bottom per week.WhisperingOracle said:Panic buying is a slippery and dubious concept to identify, and generally more favourable to governments and those organising than individuals. What is irrational at one momemt can be immediately rational the next - I think rather the blanket condemnation of it it might be better for governments or supermarkets to focus on the positive - we everyone at some times might have reasons to buy more, but if we operate a more shared and gradual approach supplies are less likely to run out.
It's the few weeks of possible chaos/shortage between now and then that need to be bridged. And I mean chaos
https://twitter.com/M_Davieswrites/status/1238728814110355457?s=20
I have to be a bit choosy about what I stockpile because we've not got the space in the flat, but if we had a spare room I'd be filling it with at least two months' worth of long shelf life supplies.
Oh, and if everyone thinks it's bad now, wait until the order goes out for every vulnerable sick person and everyone over 70 to go into quarantine at once. It'll be like those scenes when Black Friday first arrived in Britain, or possibly even the 2011 London riots. Fisticuffs are inevitable; outright civil disorder and looting is a distinct possibility.
BTW I also have a fairly small flat, but I've just accepted that half the living room is going to be full of tinned sardines and M&S penne for a while. Either we will shift it to a bigger place outside London, or we will eat it here. The problem will solve itself in time.
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The economic damage is huge and I expect those who think the measures taken so far will only last a few weeks are in for a mighty shockRochdalePioneers said:At this rate there are going to be enormous numbers of companies going bust all over the developed world. Not just little ones like bars, the airlines too. Which will create a massive economic problem as swathes of people find themselves unable to pay for food if they can find any in the shops.
Which government is going to launch a universal basic income first...?
I cannot see this easing before the children go back - for the autumn term2 -
Has the UK blocked travel from any other countries?0
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The French will be reduced to having a three hour lunch at home.....Paristonda said:France just announcing all bars restaurants etc closed from midnight tonight.
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It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
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Similar in Berlin. Bars but not restaurants. Was due to start on Wednesday, but the ban was today brought forward to today.Paristonda said:France just announcing all bars restaurants etc closed from midnight tonight.
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There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
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From comparing the figures, one would have to consider that cultural norms on closeness and touching, and maybe also others too, might be playing a part. Looking at the outcomes as a proportion of the cases, Spain and Italy seem to be suffering particularly badly from the disease so far, Britain, Germany and Scandinavia - again, so far - apparently not as badly, and France apparently in the middle.FrancisUrquhart said:France has reported a total of 4,499 confirmed coronavirus cases – up from 3,661 on Friday, according to official figures.
These are all obviously only early indications, though, which might all change.0 -
Nope. Having Taken Back Control of our borders we aren't prisoners like all those EU cou tries unable to shut their borders cos freedom of moment. Whilst those countries obey the EU dictat and close their borders which they definitely can't do, we in Free Britain let anyone waltz in through our newly controlled borders with zero checks of any kind.Andy_JS said:Has the UK blocked travel from any other countries?
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Cheaper calvados. Sounds like a plan!Time_to_Leave said:
Or invade. It’s the last thing they’ll expect and we can at least regain Normandy.Pulpstar said:
Time to ban travel from France.FrancisUrquhart said:France has reported a total of 4,499 confirmed coronavirus cases – up from 3,661 on Friday, according to official figures.
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Yes there’s nothing more gratifying than being paid for an exceedingly restorative movement.Time_to_Leave said:
In the week it’s my practice to wait until I get to work for my morning dump. I like to do it on their time with their equipment*. I hadn’t thought of this before, but if we all have to work from home this means my calculations will be off.northern_monkey said:
3-4 times a week?! More like a day for me. Too much roughage perhaps.FrankBooth said:I can't believe I'm discussing this stuff on pb. A toilet roll will last me several months based on being needed 3-4 times a week and using 5-6 sheets per time.
I do go out of the house. Having lived with people in the past I'm genuinely confused by the amount of toilet roll some people feel the need to use. It's a bit different if you have a cold and use them for tissues of course - that's when I would be going through them.
*On a similar theme an officer in the Met once advised me to only really get drunk on Thursday nights. It was his practice to be hungover and feel crap on the Queen’s time and use his weekend productively.
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RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Well tell me what it is then or are you still at the ‘let’s infect 60%’ and hope for the best stage?RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
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Yep, spot on Big_G. The health impact of this is very serious of course but the economic and cultural impact will dwarf that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The economic damage is huge and I expect those who think the measures taken so far will only last a few weeks are in for a mighty shockRochdalePioneers said:At this rate there are going to be enormous numbers of companies going bust all over the developed world. Not just little ones like bars, the airlines too. Which will create a massive economic problem as swathes of people find themselves unable to pay for food if they can find any in the shops.
Which government is going to launch a universal basic income first...?
I cannot see this easing before the children go back - for the autumn term
This is potentially a seismic moment for the modern world.1 -
Tell you what what is? I'm of the view that the government are listening to their scientific advisors.nichomar said:RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Well tell me what it is then or are you still at the ‘let’s infect 60%’ and hope for the best stage?RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
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I understand the concern but how do you suggest the eventual infection of c. 60% can be avoided?nichomar said:RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Well tell me what it is then or are you still at the ‘let’s infect 60%’ and hope for the best stage?RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
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It’ll all be over by Christmas.......no, EasterBenpointer said:
Yep, spot on Big_G. The health impact of this is very serious of course but the economic and cultural impact will dwarf that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The economic damage is huge and I expect those who think the measures taken so far will only last a few weeks are in for a mighty shockRochdalePioneers said:At this rate there are going to be enormous numbers of companies going bust all over the developed world. Not just little ones like bars, the airlines too. Which will create a massive economic problem as swathes of people find themselves unable to pay for food if they can find any in the shops.
Which government is going to launch a universal basic income first...?
I cannot see this easing before the children go back - for the autumn term
This is potentially a seismic moment for the modern world.0 -
Yes but... which year?OldKingCole said:
It’ll al, be over by Christmas.......no, EasterBenpointer said:
Yep, spot on Big_G. The health impact of this is very serious of course but the economic and cultural impact will dwarf that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The economic damage is huge and I expect those who think the measures taken so far will only last a few weeks are in for a mighty shockRochdalePioneers said:At this rate there are going to be enormous numbers of companies going bust all over the developed world. Not just little ones like bars, the airlines too. Which will create a massive economic problem as swathes of people find themselves unable to pay for food if they can find any in the shops.
Which government is going to launch a universal basic income first...?
I cannot see this easing before the children go back - for the autumn term
This is potentially a seismic moment for the modern world.0 -
Has Italy indicated when its lockdown might end?0
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Oh yeah, Sex-Clubs too!eristdoof said:
Similar in Berlin. Bars but not restaurants. Was due to start on Wednesday, but the ban was today brought forward to today.Paristonda said:France just announcing all bars restaurants etc closed from midnight tonight.
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I assume when the disease has been eradicated globally?Morris_Dancer said:Has Italy indicated when its lockdown might end?
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One of the reasons cited by the PM for the new measures is that people hadn't followed the latest advice strongly enough, too many people out in cafés etc. Basically French people aren't taking it seriously enough.WhisperingOracle said:
From comparing the figures, one would have to consider that cultural norms on closeness and touching, and maybe also others too, might be playing a part. Looking at the outcomes as a proportion of the cases, Spain and Italy seem to be suffering particularly badly from the disease so far, Britain, Germany and Scandinavia - again, so far - apparently not as badly, and France apparently in the middle.FrancisUrquhart said:France has reported a total of 4,499 confirmed coronavirus cases – up from 3,661 on Friday, according to official figures.
These are all obviously only early indications, though, which might all change.
Madness that they are keeping local election tomorrow, especially as round 2 will be in 2 weeks.0 -
Let’s be clear on one thing. No one is closing down our boozers. Stop them serving food? Ok, if you leave the pork scratchings and crisps. Stop us drinking there? No way.eristdoof said:
Similar in Berlin. Bars but not restaurants. Was due to start on Wednesday, but the ban was today brought forward to today.Paristonda said:France just announcing all bars restaurants etc closed from midnight tonight.
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Mr. D, well, quite.
Mr. Leave, that does remind me of the myth I heard that throughout all British history no army has ever run out of booze.
Edited extra bit: during one fire in the 17th century locals heroically worked to save their pub. Their homes, on the other hand...1 -
During the COBRA meeting, Boris uses his origami skills to fold one of those decision makers, then takes random instructions from that....RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
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It's sad that our Tesco in West Wales has empty shelves at the toilet roll section, yet our local Londis nearby has plenty of them. Cheaper too, own brand though.FrancisUrquhart said:
My guess would be that as all stores run JIT systems, and unexpected demand obviously causes knock on effects throughout the supply chain e.g. Last year with the bad snow, my local store missed 2 days of delivery and it took 2 weeks before full shelves.Pulpstar said:
Does London have a particular problem with toilet roll ?FrancisUrquhart said:As Trump would say SADDDDDD...
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112481/London-shopper-mugged-toilet-paper-broad-daylight.html
That tweet earlier was from Barnet.
The shear population of London is probably making that effect more visible.
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Tabacs will remain open in France, considered an essential service for all the smokers!Time_to_Leave said:
Let’s be clear on one thing. No one is closing down our boozers. Stop them serving food? Ok, if you leave the pork scratchings and crisps. Stop us drinking there? No way.eristdoof said:
Similar in Berlin. Bars but not restaurants. Was due to start on Wednesday, but the ban was today brought forward to today.Paristonda said:France just announcing all bars restaurants etc closed from midnight tonight.
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I heard he was using a magic eight ball.MarqueeMark said:
During the COBRA meeting, Boris uses his origami skills to fold one of those decision makers, then takes random instructions from that....RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
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Still, plenty of copies of the Daily Mail to use as bottom paper. It's all it's good for anyway.Daveyboy1961 said:
It's sad that our Tesco in West Wales has empty shelves at the toilet roll section, yet our local Londis nearby has plenty of them. Cheaper too, own brand though.FrancisUrquhart said:
My guess would be that as all stores run JIT systems, and unexpected demand obviously causes knock on effects throughout the supply chain e.g. Last year with the bad snow, my local store missed 2 days of delivery and it took 2 weeks before full shelves.Pulpstar said:
Does London have a particular problem with toilet roll ?FrancisUrquhart said:As Trump would say SADDDDDD...
A 56-year-old shopper was mugged for his toilet paper just moments after leaving a store in London as panic about the coronavirus epidemic leads to wide-spread stockpiling.
Dinendra was leaving a Savers store in Harringay, north London, around 3.30pm when someone ran up behind him and snatched one of the two toilet rolls he was carrying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112481/London-shopper-mugged-toilet-paper-broad-daylight.html
That tweet earlier was from Barnet.
The shear population of London is probably making that effect more visible.0 -
They’re not fiddling at the edges, are they?eristdoof said:
Oh yeah, Sex-Clubs too!eristdoof said:
Similar in Berlin. Bars but not restaurants. Was due to start on Wednesday, but the ban was today brought forward to today.Paristonda said:France just announcing all bars restaurants etc closed from midnight tonight.
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I know he’s bald, but that’s no way to refer to the CMO.RobD said:
I heard he was using a magic eight ball.MarqueeMark said:
During the COBRA meeting, Boris uses his origami skills to fold one of those decision makers, then takes random instructions from that....RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
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Mr. Doethur, to be fair, bondage could be an excellent way to prevent face touching, not to mention masks can reduce infection risks.3
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Still plenty of Andrex in Mr Singh's corner shop just now. (I think it might of the fake variety but who cares at a time like this!)0
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It can’t be avoided, just ensure you have upped your icu capacity by 30/40% have stock piled enough PPE and are utilizing every possible medical resource you have. I’m sure the uk government have already organized this extra capacity And is locked and loaded for what’s coming.Benpointer said:
I understand the concern but how do you suggest the eventual infection of c. 60% can be avoided?nichomar said:RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Well tell me what it is then or are you still at the ‘let’s infect 60%’ and hope for the best stage?RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
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Again, you haven’t been listening to the CMO have you? What we’re doing is pretty clear, involves some risks, but is all about avoiding catastrophe next winter as much as right now. I’m not qualified to take a view but I have confidence in those who are planning this.nichomar said:
It can’t be avoided, just ensure you have upped your icu capacity by 30/40% have stock piled enough PPE and are utilizing every possible medical resource you have. I’m sure the uk government have already organized this extra capacity And is locked and loaded for what’s coming.Benpointer said:
I understand the concern but how do you suggest the eventual infection of c. 60% can be avoided?nichomar said:RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Well tell me what it is then or are you still at the ‘let’s infect 60%’ and hope for the best stage?RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
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'UK at the beginning of exponential phase,' says expert
Following the news that the UK's case total has now risen to 1,140, Dr Stephen Griffin, Associate Professor, Leeds Institute of Medical Research, University of Leeds, said:
"The upsurge in daily cases this week could indicate that we're at the beginning of the exponential phase of the UK epidemic.
"Unfortunately, I suspect we can expect to see further daily increases in both diagnostics and mortality over the coming weeks.
"We must ensure that the most vulnerable in our society are protected as much as possible as this unfolds. Elderly, immunosuppressed and/or people living with chronic health conditions are most at risk from SARS COV2 infections.
"Moreover, they are also potentially less able to cope with any period of self isolation or lockdown etc.
"The empty shelves I've witnessed in my local supermarket this afternoon signify an entirely unhelpful, selfish movement towards panic buying that can only adversely affect those most in need amongst the UK population."0 -
Went to the local Co-Op earlier (near Swansea), they must have been restocked recently because they actually had toilet paper and a little bit of dried pasta. Plenty of Baken Beans and Canned Tomatoes. No own brand Paracetamol but plenty of the branded stuff. Everything else that I could see was normal.0
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Ok fine believe what you want, I haven’t a view on so called strategy just hope the front line has the resources to handle what’s coming.Time_to_Leave said:
Again, you haven’t been listening to the CMO have you? What we’re doing is pretty clear, involves some risks, but is all about avoiding catastrophe next winter as much as right now. I’m not qualified to take a view but I have confidence in those who are planning this.nichomar said:
It can’t be avoided, just ensure you have upped your icu capacity by 30/40% have stock piled enough PPE and are utilizing every possible medical resource you have. I’m sure the uk government have already organized this extra capacity And is locked and loaded for what’s coming.Benpointer said:
I understand the concern but how do you suggest the eventual infection of c. 60% can be avoided?nichomar said:RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
Well tell me what it is then or are you still at the ‘let’s infect 60%’ and hope for the best stage?RobD said:
There was a question? You were simply stating something that they will obviously be doing.nichomar said:
It was a serious question, any evidence that they are getting in front of the game?RobD said:
Na, they are just sitting around making it up as they go along.nichomar said:I hope the Uk government are watching and learning from mainland Europe, you know the rate of development, you know the level of hospitaiisation and you know the icu demand. Nothing about the uk is different but you have had some extra time.
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The supermarkets I have been to never seem to run out of Brown Rice. The pasta shelves are empty ...CatMan said:Went to the local Co-Op earlier (near Swansea), they must have been restocked recently because they actually had toilet paper and a little bit of dried pasta. Plenty of Baken Beans and Canned Tomatoes. No own brand Paracetamol but plenty of the branded stuff. Everything else that I could see was normal.
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Read the labelling carefully. If it looks like Andrex wrapping but is spelt "Anthrax".....Stark_Dawning said:Still plenty of Andrex in Mr Singh's corner shop just now. (I think it might of the fake variety but who cares at a time like this!)
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I’ve seen mention of rationing in some comments - do people think this is a distinct possibility?1
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More of this simplification again. Some of it will have been precisely for those in most need by the carers and relatives, some for families, and some indeed over its proportion to individuals. Everyone has to consider the reaction of everyone else, and to get everyone to scale down you'll have little success if you start with this unjustified condemnatory tone. He should be telling everyone that he understands that many might have good reasons for buying more, but we all benefit is the buying level is more shared and gradual.IshmaelZ said:'UK at the beginning of exponential phase,' says expert
Following the news that the UK's case total has now risen to 1,140, Dr Stephen Griffin, Associate Professor, Leeds Institute of Medical Research, University of Leeds, said:
"The empty shelves I've witnessed in my local supermarket this afternoon signify an entirely unhelpful, selfish movement towards panic buying that can only adversely affect those most in need amongst the UK population."0 -
Unfortunately for everyone, the Arsenal Football Club training centre is at Colney, not Colney Hatch.
Otherwise there would be an ensuing joke about toilet paper that would practically write itself.0 -
This looks like BS from someone who should know better. We have been in an 'exponential phase' since Feb 27th at least. The increase has been a straight line against a logarithmic scale since 27th Feb.IshmaelZ said:'UK at the beginning of exponential phase,' says expert
Following the news that the UK's case total has now risen to 1,140, Dr Stephen Griffin, Associate Professor, Leeds Institute of Medical Research, University of Leeds, said:
"The upsurge in daily cases this week could indicate that we're at the beginning of the exponential phase of the UK epidemic.
"Unfortunately, I suspect we can expect to see further daily increases in both diagnostics and mortality over the coming weeks.
"We must ensure that the most vulnerable in our society are protected as much as possible as this unfolds. Elderly, immunosuppressed and/or people living with chronic health conditions are most at risk from SARS COV2 infections.
"Moreover, they are also potentially less able to cope with any period of self isolation or lockdown etc.
"The empty shelves I've witnessed in my local supermarket this afternoon signify an entirely unhelpful, selfish movement towards panic buying that can only adversely affect those most in need amongst the UK population."1 -
You should publish the how-to guide on this, it's probably worth money. Might even be worth seeing if you could sell it freelance to one of the more armageddon-led newspapers...Alistair said:
6 months worth of food can fit into just over a cubic meter if you buy smart and pack well. That's with a shopping list including olives and capers not just boring shit.eadric said:
Yes, I think there will be some disorder, which is one reason I am fairly keen to leave London.Black_Rook said:
You may well be right. This thing's now about getting ahead of the curve: if you spend too much time feeling guilty about what other people won't be getting because you've got it, you just end up becoming other people yourself. Once the panic buying gets past a certain critical mass, the first wave of them stop looking silly and start looking prescient - and, until the retailers and the Government itself take proper action to restore order, it's very much a case of every household for itself.eadric said:
In the end there will be wartime style rationing, and things will calm down. Everyone will get their 1-2 rolls per bottom per week.WhisperingOracle said:Panic buying is a slippery and dubious concept to identify, and generally more favourable to governments and those organising than individuals. What is irrational at one momemt can be immediately rational the next - I think rather the blanket condemnation of it it might be better for governments or supermarkets to focus on the positive - we everyone at some times might have reasons to buy more, but if we operate a more shared and gradual approach supplies are less likely to run out.
It's the few weeks of possible chaos/shortage between now and then that need to be bridged. And I mean chaos
https://twitter.com/M_Davieswrites/status/1238728814110355457?s=20
I have to be a bit choosy about what I stockpile because we've not got the space in the flat, but if we had a spare room I'd be filling it with at least two months' worth of long shelf life supplies.
Oh, and if everyone thinks it's bad now, wait until the order goes out for every vulnerable sick person and everyone over 70 to go into quarantine at once. It'll be like those scenes when Black Friday first arrived in Britain, or possibly even the 2011 London riots. Fisticuffs are inevitable; outright civil disorder and looting is a distinct possibility.
BTW I also have a fairly small flat, but I've just accepted that half the living room is going to be full of tinned sardines and M&S penne for a while. Either we will shift it to a bigger place outside London, or we will eat it here. The problem will solve itself in time.
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Depends on whether supply chains are disrupted, and for how long.northern_monkey said:I’ve seen mention of rationing in some comments - do people think this is a distinct possibility?
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Half of all people (300) in intensive care in France are under 60 years old just announced. Medical experts pointing out that while the death rate is heavily skewed towards the elderly the same picture hasn't applied to developing strong symptoms.0
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If the idiotic panic buying continues then yes, definitelyydoethur said:
Depends on whether supply chains are disrupted, and for how long.northern_monkey said:I’ve seen mention of rationing in some comments - do people think this is a distinct possibility?
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