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Nothing to worry about
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1235964491181015041?s=20
I’m guessing they’re not going to call it the “Trump pandemic”1 -
Excellent and long overdueHYUFD said:3 -
Ouch!Animal_pb said:
No, he was just seeing his wife.Benpointer said:From the Guardian:
'Avoid visiting elderly relatives' - Macron
On Friday, the French president called on people in France to limit trips to homes for the elderly.
"We must avoid visiting our elderly relatives as much as possible," Emmanuel Macron said on a visit to a retirement home in Paris.
Er?.... Presumably if they are not your relatives and you need a photo-opportunity it's just fine.1 -
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My teammate had a meeting of his cut short this afternoon because a person reporting into the lady he was meeting (on the 2nd floor of the building I work in) has had to self-isolate. He was on the list of people a known infected coronavirus person had interacted with recently.
So it’s two degrees away from me now.0 -
He should be certified.HYUFD said:
A very real danger to the health of Americans and the rest of us0 -
Other than the problems in making such a map from such small numbers, this (and probably many coronavirus heat maps looking at absolute numbers of infections) will look like a population density map.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Article says Swinson is the preferred candidate to succeed Rennie as Scottish LD leader at HolyroodScott_xP said:0 -
And the rest of us......Big_G_NorthWales said:
He should be certified.HYUFD said:
A very real danger to the health of Americans and the rest of us
Indeed.0 -
O'Brien is educated but not intelligent. His MO is to find and counter the worst arguments for Brexit then generate a social media reaction. He's good at it, I grant you.isam said:
A piece of advice I once got was that I should take on my opponents strongest argument, rather than caricature their weakest, when debating. Obviously I don't follow it all the time, the opportunity for a piss take is often too tempting, but I reckon political commentators, & politicians themselves, could do with adhering to it.AlastairMeeks said:
Titania McGrath has had a couple of good moments but there's a lot of dross. Nick Cohen's comments about the quality are fair enough.isam said:
This article has prompted an argument between two people I quite like - namely Andrew Doyle, creator of Titania McGrath, and Peter Hitchens, who isn't a fan. He also usually seems to dislike Nick Cohen, so something for everyone here!isam said:
I don't agree with his rationale as to why the right has produced such poor satire of the left. I think it's simply a matter of the quality of the writers.
The James O'Brien critique of "Patriotic Breakfast" earlier this week is one that bugged me. I dont know of anyone who really thinks Brexit means the UK becoming a self sufficient nation like Tom and Barbara from The Good Life, where any non UK products are prohibited. I reckon O'Brien is probably clever enough to know that, his schooling cost enough, yet he went in feet first in the manner of a Brexiteer convinced that remaining a member of the EU meant compulsory German lessons, and people lapped it up0 -
Since when has Peter Hitchens ever liked anyone?Stark_Dawning said:
I've heard Peter Hitchens pine for the days when we made our own shoes.isam said:
A piece of advice I once got was that I should take on my opponents strongest argument, rather than caricature their weakest, when debating. Obviously I don't follow it all the time, the opportunity for a piss take is often too tempting, but I reckon political commentators, & politicians themselves, could do with adhering to it.AlastairMeeks said:
Titania McGrath has had a couple of good moments but there's a lot of dross. Nick Cohen's comments about the quality are fair enough.isam said:
This article has prompted an argument between two people I quite like - namely Andrew Doyle, creator of Titania McGrath, and Peter Hitchens, who isn't a fan. He also usually seems to dislike Nick Cohen, so something for everyone here!isam said:
I don't agree with his rationale as to why the right has produced such poor satire of the left. I think it's simply a matter of the quality of the writers.
The James O'Brien critique of "Patriotic Breakfast" earlier this week is one that bugged me. I dont know of anyone who really thinks Brexit means the UK becoming a self sufficient nation like Tom and Barbara from The Good Life, where any non UK products are prohibited. I reckon O'Brien is probably clever enough to know that, his schooling cost enough, yet he went in feet first in the manner of a Brexiteer convinced that remaining a member of the EU meant compulsory German lessons, and people lapped it up0 -
This article suggests that there isn't much risk of infection from infected subjects who remain asymptomatic - but a significant risk of infection from those who are infected before they become symptomatic:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/06/were-learning-a-lot-about-the-coronavirus-it-will-help-us-assess-risk/
The whole article is interesting, and well worth reading.
If the conclusions drawn from China are correct, then it does strongly suggest that this thing can be brought under control by public health measures (mainly avoiding infection via touch, and a certain degree of social distancing).
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https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1235967126613168135?s=20
BA have suspended half their LHR SIN 380 flights0 -
I would suggest that a lot of political comedy from all parts of the spectrum is pretty poor simply because too many writers reprieve jokes that ought to be cut on the basis that, whilst not that funny, they are "important for people to hear". The writing consequently very often gets very flabby.AlastairMeeks said:
Titania McGrath has had a couple of good moments but there's a lot of dross. Nick Cohen's comments about the quality are fair enough.isam said:
This article has prompted an argument between two people I quite like - namely Andrew Doyle, creator of Titania McGrath, and Peter Hitchens, who isn't a fan. He also usually seems to dislike Nick Cohen, so something for everyone here!isam said:
I don't agree with his rationale as to why the right has produced such poor satire of the left. I think it's simply a matter of the quality of the writers.
That just doesn't happen to the same degree in other areas - sure, jokes still get left in that aren't that good if the writer has poor judgment or just can't write many funny jokes - but jokes don't get a free pass. There are few comedy writers of knob gags who say, "well, it's not laugh out loud funny, but makes a very pertinent point about knobs so I'll leave it."
Doyle/McGrath is a case in point - as you say, it has its moments, but is very, very flabby.2 -
Interesting. Of course many people's identification of "class" is largely quixotic, and is about as daft as those that naively accepted the BS that Boris Johnson is not part of the "establishment".HYUFD said:
As for the Tories, they are simply an anti-intellectual populist party now in the mould of Donald Trump. A kind of fascism-lite for the 21st century, with policies aimed at the reactionary and generally less well educated.1 -
I wonder whether, despite the impending consequences of Trump's ostrich approach not having cut through to Americans yet, whether this could turn so quickly that Trump is unseated by his own party before November, even though the base looks solid as of today.Pro_Rata said:
And the rest of us......Big_G_NorthWales said:
He should be certified.HYUFD said:
A very real danger to the health of Americans and the rest of us
Indeed.
Remind me, is the 25th amendment, potentially on both Trump and his VP, the sole practical means of doing this?0 -
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
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Baggage handlers?
https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1235968989517541381?s=20
Perhaps “BA” is a coincidence? It would be very worrisome if the virus could survive on luggage for any length of time...0 -
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Now known as BodenhansaCarlottaVance said:https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1235967126613168135?s=20
BA have suspended half their LHR SIN 380 flights1 -
Actually a lot of the time his MO is to misrepresent through selective quoting or just outright make stuff up. He is an utter scumbag with no redeeming features what so ever.Essexit said:
O'Brien is educated but not intelligent. His MO is to find and counter the worst arguments for Brexit then generate a social media reaction. He's good at it, I grant you.isam said:
A piece of advice I once got was that I should take on my opponents strongest argument, rather than caricature their weakest, when debating. Obviously I don't follow it all the time, the opportunity for a piss take is often too tempting, but I reckon political commentators, & politicians themselves, could do with adhering to it.AlastairMeeks said:
Titania McGrath has had a couple of good moments but there's a lot of dross. Nick Cohen's comments about the quality are fair enough.isam said:
This article has prompted an argument between two people I quite like - namely Andrew Doyle, creator of Titania McGrath, and Peter Hitchens, who isn't a fan. He also usually seems to dislike Nick Cohen, so something for everyone here!isam said:
I don't agree with his rationale as to why the right has produced such poor satire of the left. I think it's simply a matter of the quality of the writers.
The James O'Brien critique of "Patriotic Breakfast" earlier this week is one that bugged me. I dont know of anyone who really thinks Brexit means the UK becoming a self sufficient nation like Tom and Barbara from The Good Life, where any non UK products are prohibited. I reckon O'Brien is probably clever enough to know that, his schooling cost enough, yet he went in feet first in the manner of a Brexiteer convinced that remaining a member of the EU meant compulsory German lessons, and people lapped it up0 -
The GE was an anti-Corbyn election. If Labour elects Starmer we are about to see politics return to a greater degree of normality as we will have a LoTO who looks electable. We will continue to have a PM that looks and sounds like a gameshow host at best and clown at worst.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?0 -
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
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Just over a year ago?Scott_xP said:1 -
Allegedly subjected several of its workers to egregious bullying?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?0 -
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.1 -
You cannot 25th Amendment the VP, and to do it to the president requires the VP's consent - which as Pence is a lapdog, will not be forthcoming.Pro_Rata said:
I wonder whether, despite the impending consequences of Trump's ostrich approach not having cut through to Americans yet, whether this could turn so quickly that Trump is unseated by his own party before November, even though the base looks solid as of today.Pro_Rata said:
And the rest of us......Big_G_NorthWales said:
He should be certified.HYUFD said:
A very real danger to the health of Americans and the rest of us
Indeed.
Remind me, is the 25th amendment, potentially on both Trump and his VP, the sole practical means of doing this?0 -
omg - wokeness in Scotland alert!!Scott_xP said:0 -
It's very early days in this government but so far it has been 10/10 great.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.
A renegotiated deal that was supposed to be impossible has been negotiated and implemented.
The threat of Corbyn has been dealt with.
HS2 decision made.
The coronavirus outbreak has been dealt with well so far.
Early days still but nothing to criticise so far.2 -
Are you saying that Carrie is not pregnant due to HMG?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up0 -
A Home Sec in an employment tribunal for bullying? Your tribal loyalty is as quaint as your belief in the fairytale of Brexit.Philip_Thompson said:
It's very early days in this government but so far it has been 10/10 great.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.
A renegotiated deal that was supposed to be impossible has been negotiated and implemented.
The threat of Corbyn has been dealt with.
HS2 decision made.
The coronavirus outbreak has been dealt with well so far.
Early days still but nothing to criticise so far.0 -
It is a view but not shared in the polling and maybe 'alleged' should be includedNigel_Foremain said:
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.
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Can you explain - Carrie being pregnant is a private matter, not HMGDaveyboy1961 said:
Are you saying that Carrie is not pregnant due to HMG?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up0 -
Alleged would not be necessary in that context. It does not say that she has been bullying, it says that she will be in a tribunal for (ergo to investigate allegations of ) bullyingBig_G_NorthWales said:
It is a view but not shared in the polling and maybe 'alleged' should be includedNigel_Foremain said:
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.0 -
Deal implimented? What dealNigel_Foremain said:
A Home Sec in an employment tribunal for bullying? Your tribal loyalty is as quaint as your belief in the fairytale of Brexit.Philip_Thompson said:
It's very early days in this government but so far it has been 10/10 great.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.
A renegotiated deal that was supposed to be impossible has been negotiated and implemented.
The threat of Corbyn has been dealt with.
HS2 decision made.
The coronavirus outbreak has been dealt with well so far.
Early days still but nothing to criticise so far.
Virus dealt with?
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AllegedNigel_Foremain said:
A Home Sec in an employment tribunal for bullying? Your tribal loyalty is as quaint as your belief in the fairytale of Brexit.Philip_Thompson said:
It's very early days in this government but so far it has been 10/10 great.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.
A renegotiated deal that was supposed to be impossible has been negotiated and implemented.
The threat of Corbyn has been dealt with.
HS2 decision made.
The coronavirus outbreak has been dealt with well so far.
Early days still but nothing to criticise so far.0 -
Baggage 'AndlersCarlottaVance said:Baggage handlers?
https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1235968989517541381?s=20
Perhaps “BA” is a coincidence? It would be very worrisome if the virus could survive on luggage for any length of time...0 -
I'm B+ rather than 10/10, but it is still doing a fine job. Try and remember how politics was 6 or 9 months ago by comparison.....Philip_Thompson said:
It's very early days in this government but so far it has been 10/10 great.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.
A renegotiated deal that was supposed to be impossible has been negotiated and implemented.
The threat of Corbyn has been dealt with.
HS2 decision made.
The coronavirus outbreak has been dealt with well so far.
Early days still but nothing to criticise so far.1 -
A renegotiated deal that is going to add 25-50% to the wholesale price of a 40ft container of food when delivered to Northern Ireland...Nigel_Foremain said:
A Home Sec in an employment tribunal for bullying? Your tribal loyalty is as quaint as your belief in the fairytale of Brexit.Philip_Thompson said:
It's very early days in this government but so far it has been 10/10 great.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.
A renegotiated deal that was supposed to be impossible has been negotiated and implemented.
The threat of Corbyn has been dealt with.
HS2 decision made.
The coronavirus outbreak has been dealt with well so far.
Early days still but nothing to criticise so far.0 -
I am interested in the recollections from older posters about the 1957 and 1968 flu epidemics. In each of those cases some 80,000 people died in Britain from the flu. Having been born in 1965 I am too young to remember either but looking at the history of the country I certainly don't remember it being portrayed as such a crisis as we are now seeing in the media.
This is not to play down the seriousness of the Covid-19 but I just wonder whether those who were adults at that time remember it being such a huge thing as this has turned into?
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Trump was talking of slashing Medicare only the other day iirc.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He should be certified.HYUFD said:
A very real danger to the health of Americans and the rest of us
Anyway, we know see his planned line of attack: Biden has dementia and is unfit to be president.
God, this is going to be brutal.0 -
oicBig_G_NorthWales said:
Can you explain - Carrie being pregnant is a private matter, not HMGDaveyboy1961 said:
Are you saying that Carrie is not pregnant due to HMG?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
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We have local elections on 7 May, including London Assembly/Mayor. That may well be at the peak of the Covid-19 epidemic. How is that going to affect the election? Lower turnout, particularly among the old? Reduced campaigning? A focus on health issues?0
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Postponed. Almost a certainty now I would say.bondegezou said:We have local elections on 7 May, including London Assembly/Mayor. That may well be at the peak of the Covid-19 epidemic. How is that going to affect the election? Lower turnout, particularly among the old? Reduced campaigning? A focus on health issues?
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Who will be doing the counting of results? I thought the 8th May was a Bank Holiday.bondegezou said:We have local elections on 7 May, including London Assembly/Mayor. That may well be at the peak of the Covid-19 epidemic. How is that going to affect the election? Lower turnout, particularly among the old? Reduced campaigning? A focus on health issues?
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To summarise a lot of stuff on this. An increase in humidity affects air transmission of viruses in a similar way across all influenzas and coronavirusses, seasonal or pandemic. In particular, 18-21° at temperate humidities sees a fairly sharp tail off in air transmission. A lot of the outbreak centres: Wuhan, Qom, Lombardy have had the very odd day up at such temperatures, but are generally struggling at 10°.CarlottaVance said:
Well, it isn’t summer “everywhere” in “the summer” in the northern hemisphere. But the so far lower infection rates in currently warm countries may give some cause for possible optimism.IshmaelZ said:
Coronavirus is unlikely to disappear in summer, says WHO
Speaking at the World Health Organization's daily briefing, Dr Mike Ryan said it is "a false hope" that coronavirus will just disappear in the summer like flu.
The difference from a normal seasonal virus is twofold:
1. Pandemic strains start with nobody immune to them. This means they can defy seasonal effects to higher temperatures, as they start with higher transmissibility in the first place. Nevertheless, even most pandemics bubble along and struggle to go exponential in summer, even if they are not killed off. Second thing is that a cool UK spring can happily support transmission until May/June.
2. Seems COVID is not so good at air transmission over distance anyway. If most transmission is close contact, season is less relevant. That, however, should be more than countered by the fact that close contact transmission is easier to control - it should not spread anywhere near as widely as a more efficient air spreading flu. That does seem to be borne out by what we have seen so far.1 -
I am afraid that it is you who continues to display your normal tribal bias. You hate this current government and the whole Brexit scenario so much they will never be able to do anything that would satisfy you.Nigel_Foremain said:
A Home Sec in an employment tribunal for bullying? Your tribal loyalty is as quaint as your belief in the fairytale of Brexit.Philip_Thompson said:
It's very early days in this government but so far it has been 10/10 great.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.
A renegotiated deal that was supposed to be impossible has been negotiated and implemented.
The threat of Corbyn has been dealt with.
HS2 decision made.
The coronavirus outbreak has been dealt with well so far.
Early days still but nothing to criticise so far.
The rest of us have moved on whilst you continue to sink in the mire of the past.3 -
And yet the ungrateful voters, or at least the ungrateful opinion poll respondents, are not happy.Philip_Thompson said:
It's very early days in this government but so far it has been 10/10 great.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.
A renegotiated deal that was supposed to be impossible has been negotiated and implemented.
The threat of Corbyn has been dealt with.
HS2 decision made.
The coronavirus outbreak has been dealt with well so far.
Early days still but nothing to criticise so far.
Boris might be regretting staying away during the floods. Gordon Brown got a boost from wearing wellies and looking serious. People might have lost their homes but at least the Prime Minister seemed to care. This Prime Minister seemed not to care.
It might be significant that Boris fronted the Corona virus announcement himself. So far, so good. But if the chips come down then voters might start looking for those 40 new hospitals and 50,000 more nurses, because we'll need them.0 -
Russia now on high alert says Telegraph.
Somebody was wondering earlier on here why it had been so quiet over there.
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The promise was 40 new hospitals over 10 yearsDecrepiterJohnL said:
And yet the ungrateful voters, or at least the ungrateful opinion poll respondents, are not happy.Philip_Thompson said:
It's very early days in this government but so far it has been 10/10 great.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.
A renegotiated deal that was supposed to be impossible has been negotiated and implemented.
The threat of Corbyn has been dealt with.
HS2 decision made.
The coronavirus outbreak has been dealt with well so far.
Early days still but nothing to criticise so far.
Boris might be regretting staying away during the floods. Gordon Brown got a boost from wearing wellies and looking serious. People might have lost their homes but at least the Prime Minister seemed to care. This Prime Minister seemed not to care.
It might be significant that Boris fronted the Corona virus announcement himself. So far, so good. But if the chips come down then voters might start looking for those 40 new hospitals and 50,000 more nurses, because we'll need them.0 -
Oil is down 8% today. Maybe a fuel duty rise won't be noticed after all?0
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The mortality rate in NW Europe (including Germany) is currently 0.23.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GvO77Q1O49d0m4lQdBNdus3H8wdf3s-vLPE8c4cntsI/edit#gid=01 -
Back then they had their daily newspaper and an evening news. They did not have to fill a need for a 24 hours cycle with "stuff".Richard_Tyndall said:I am interested in the recollections from older posters about the 1957 and 1968 flu epidemics. In each of those cases some 80,000 people died in Britain from the flu. Having been born in 1965 I am too young to remember either but looking at the history of the country I certainly don't remember it being portrayed as such a crisis as we are now seeing in the media.
This is not to play down the seriousness of the Covid-19 but I just wonder whether those who were adults at that time remember it being such a huge thing as this has turned into?
The world should agree to put out one set of information each day at 6.00 am GMT. The "OMG! Another 289 in Italy" type statistic every couple of hours just fuels a sense of rolling doom.3 -
We will hold you to that prediction on the 20th Marcheadric said:CarlottaVance said:https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1235967126613168135?s=20
BA have suspended half their LHR SIN 380 flights
We're about two weeks away from the total suspension of almost all international air traffic.0 -
Hope not.rottenborough said:
Postponed. Almost a certainty now I would say.bondegezou said:We have local elections on 7 May, including London Assembly/Mayor. That may well be at the peak of the Covid-19 epidemic. How is that going to affect the election? Lower turnout, particularly among the old? Reduced campaigning? A focus on health issues?
I want my money!0 -
Throw him an anvil, somebody.....Richard_Tyndall said:
I am afraid that it is you who continues to display your normal tribal bias. You hate this current government and the whole Brexit scenario so much they will never be able to do anything that would satisfy you.Nigel_Foremain said:
A Home Sec in an employment tribunal for bullying? Your tribal loyalty is as quaint as your belief in the fairytale of Brexit.Philip_Thompson said:
It's very early days in this government but so far it has been 10/10 great.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.
A renegotiated deal that was supposed to be impossible has been negotiated and implemented.
The threat of Corbyn has been dealt with.
HS2 decision made.
The coronavirus outbreak has been dealt with well so far.
Early days still but nothing to criticise so far.
The rest of us have moved on whilst you continue to sink in the mire of the past.2 -
Do you have elderly parents or relations who would read that comment and thank youeadric said:
Turns out Boris did have a brilliant plan. He spoke to the Chinese government and said Release a bug that kills 15-20% of all people over 80, and quite a few incurables. Ta.Scott_xP said:
Bingo. Social care is fixed.1 -
"Former Scottish government worker claims a coronavirus pandemic 'would be quite useful' in killing off NHS bed blockers in the wake of the first UK death
Professor June Andrews admitted to MSPs that her comments sounded 'horrific'
But insisted they were an honest assessment of consequences of a pandemic
She blamed politicians for not properly funding hospitals with higher tax rates "
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8082899/Doctor-says-pandemic-quite-useful-killing-bed-blockers.html0 -
Jesus.Andy_JS said:The mortality rate in NW Europe (including Germany) is currently 0.23.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GvO77Q1O49d0m4lQdBNdus3H8wdf3s-vLPE8c4cntsI/edit#gid=0
People. Take. Time. To. Die.0 -
Brexit kind of looks prophetic now that everyone is going to be a little more Brexity after this outbreak and repatriate a little bit more of their supply chains.
There may still well be just-in-time supply chains but they will also have a strong just-in-case factor to them as well.0 -
I have a few days holiday coming up thanks to our event in Dublin being called off. There are some options, but I’m genuinely not sure what to do:
1. Use the tickets paid for and non-refundable to go to Dublin anyway and have a look around Ireland for a few days.
2. Write the tickets off and do a British trip instead
3. Stay at home because now is not the time to be travelling.
I figure that hotels, restaurants and other places need people to still be out and about, but I worry that right now it’s not the right thing to do.
Thoughts?0 -
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Trump is a very real danger to the peoples across the continents and it must be hoped that this does for Trump, but at what cost to peoples lives and economic damage ?AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Is that the next Bond film?Chameleon said:
Jesus.Andy_JS said:The mortality rate in NW Europe (including Germany) is currently 0.23.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GvO77Q1O49d0m4lQdBNdus3H8wdf3s-vLPE8c4cntsI/edit#gid=0
People. Take. Time. To. Die.0 -
South Korea (like ourselves) is a very well organised state.eadric said:
South Korea is a source of encouragement. They've done more reliable tests than anyone and their mortality rate is just 0.6%, six times nastier than flu but not Doomsday. Some experts are heartenedAndy_JS said:The mortality rate in NW Europe (including Germany) is currently 0.23.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GvO77Q1O49d0m4lQdBNdus3H8wdf3s-vLPE8c4cntsI/edit#gid=0
https://twitter.com/aworldoftruth/status/1235973571958145027?s=20
On the other hand there are dissenters who say this is because they are catching so many cases very early, and a lot of these cases will eventually succumb, raising the CFRatio.0 -
The chances of getting the bug in the UK at a restaurant or hotel at the moment are absolutely minuscule, and not necessarily any higher than staying at home and going out to do the shopping or meeting friends. A trip around Ireland would also be very safe.SouthamObserver said:I have a few days holiday coming up thanks to our event in Dublin being called off. There are some options, but I’m genuinely not sure what to do:
1. Use the tickets paid for and non-refundable to go to Dublin anyway and have a look around Ireland for a few days.
2. Write the tickets off and do a British trip instead
3. Stay at home because now is not the time to be travelling.
I figure that hotels, restaurants and other places need people to still be out and about, but I worry that right now it’s not the right thing to do.
Thoughts?1 -
The convention delegates in late August will choose the party's candidate.Pro_Rata said:
I wonder whether, despite the impending consequences of Trump's ostrich approach not having cut through to Americans yet, whether this could turn so quickly that Trump is unseated by his own party before November, even though the base looks solid as of today.Pro_Rata said:
And the rest of us......Big_G_NorthWales said:
He should be certified.HYUFD said:
A very real danger to the health of Americans and the rest of us
Indeed.
Remind me, is the 25th amendment, potentially on both Trump and his VP, the sole practical means of doing this?
The bottom could fall out of the Trump image VERY fast when it dawns on people that he can't provide any leadership whatsoever regarding the coronavirus, and that all he can do instead is to praise officials who remain in his favour as "great" while denouncing whatever he doesn't like as "fake", rather like a troubled teenager on his way to being sectioned under the Mental Health Act. That could happen within a few weeks even.
Mechanism doesn't matter much. A way was found to oust Theresa May even though under her party's rules she was supposed to be safe for a year.
From a betting point of view: who would become the Republican nominee?
Usually when an "iconic leader" falls without a coup or violence, it's one of his own regime's figures who takes over, which would suggest Mike Pence. Mitt Romney will not be in the running, because too many from the Trump regime would be worried he might cause them problems, given how he voted for impeachment. Going back to 2016 I always thought Paul Ryan was a possibility. There is an obvious space for a young male candidate to defeat whoever the Democrats choose.
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If airlines keep being hit like they are, and if new cases keep spreading at anything like the current rate then they surely will be, I wonder if oil won't fall further. I don't for the life of me see how we don't get through this summer without a bloodbath of airlines if the virus spreads as many experts are now openly warning.CatMan said:Oil is down 8% today. Maybe a fuel duty rise won't be noticed after all?
Likewise, if we do keep having even nearly exponential growth then the elections and Olympics planned in 2-4 months don't stand a chance. The worst possible timing for the way this is panning out. Later primary elections might be disrupted too.
Obviously you can't always extrapolate out, but for the last week or two a bunch of developed economies have completely failed to stop rapid exponential growth. I'm becoming increasingly expectant of a pretty bad situation with a sizeable minority or more of the country affected. Even if it is 'only' 10-20% of people that will be disruptive enough.0 -
Yes, I think I agree. I just look once a day at the global monitor. ATM it says -MarqueeMark said:Back then they had their daily newspaper and an evening news. They did not have to fill a need for a 24 hours cycle with "stuff".
The world should agree to put out one set of information each day at 6.00 am GMT. The "OMG! Another 289 in Italy" type statistic every couple of hours just fuels a sense of rolling doom.
100,686 cases
55,753 recovered
3,411 deaths
So compared to the figs quoted in the header, I have 356 more cases, 59 more recovered, and 3 more deaths.0 -
I'd stay closeish to home just in case you want/need to return at short notice, and wouldn't want to be anywhere I'd struggle to get back from without flying. But it's a tough one and I appreciate your dilemna.SouthamObserver said:I have a few days holiday coming up thanks to our event in Dublin being called off. There are some options, but I’m genuinely not sure what to do:
1. Use the tickets paid for and non-refundable to go to Dublin anyway and have a look around Ireland for a few days.
2. Write the tickets off and do a British trip instead
3. Stay at home because now is not the time to be travelling.
I figure that hotels, restaurants and other places need people to still be out and about, but I worry that right now it’s not the right thing to do.
Thoughts?0 -
Trump has cleverly put Pence in full charge of virus and the president is now concentrating on campaigning as far as I can see.Henrietta4 said:
The convention delegates in late August will choose the party's candidate.Pro_Rata said:
I wonder whether, despite the impending consequences of Trump's ostrich approach not having cut through to Americans yet, whether this could turn so quickly that Trump is unseated by his own party before November, even though the base looks solid as of today.Pro_Rata said:
And the rest of us......Big_G_NorthWales said:
He should be certified.HYUFD said:
A very real danger to the health of Americans and the rest of us
Indeed.
Remind me, is the 25th amendment, potentially on both Trump and his VP, the sole practical means of doing this?
The bottom could fall out of the Trump image VERY fast when it dawns on people that he can't provide any leadership whatsoever regarding the coronavirus, and that all he can do instead is to praise officials who remain in his favour as "great" while denouncing whatever he doesn't like as "fake", rather like a troubled teenager on his way to being sectioned under the Mental Health Act. That could happen within a few weeks even.
Mechanism doesn't matter much. A way was found to oust Theresa May even though under her party's rules she was supposed to be safe for a year.
From a betting point of view: who would become the Republican nominee?
Usually when an "iconic leader" falls without a coup or violence, it's one of his own regime's figures who takes over, which would suggest Mike Pence. Mitt Romney will not be in the running, because too many from the Trump regime would be worried he might cause them problems. Going back to 2016 I always thought Paul Ryan was a possibility. There is an obvious space for a young male candidate to defeat whoever the Democrats choose.
Pence will get all the blame under Trump's cunning plan.
Will it work?0 -
Yep, I know that, I’m just wondering if it’s good form.Richard_Nabavi said:
The chances of getting the bug in the UK at a restaurant or hotel at the moment are absolutely minuscule, and not necessarily any higher than staying at home and going out to do the shopping or meeting friends. A trip around Ireland would also be very safe.SouthamObserver said:I have a few days holiday coming up thanks to our event in Dublin being called off. There are some options, but I’m genuinely not sure what to do:
1. Use the tickets paid for and non-refundable to go to Dublin anyway and have a look around Ireland for a few days.
2. Write the tickets off and do a British trip instead
3. Stay at home because now is not the time to be travelling.
I figure that hotels, restaurants and other places need people to still be out and about, but I worry that right now it’s not the right thing to do.
Thoughts?
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The problem is that good comedy writing is difficult, and surprisingly doesn’t lend itself to Twitter very well - which is the opposite of what you’d expect.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I would suggest that a lot of political comedy from all parts of the spectrum is pretty poor simply because too many writers reprieve jokes that ought to be cut on the basis that, whilst not that funny, they are "important for people to hear". The writing consequently very often gets very flabby.AlastairMeeks said:
Titania McGrath has had a couple of good moments but there's a lot of dross. Nick Cohen's comments about the quality are fair enough.isam said:
This article has prompted an argument between two people I quite like - namely Andrew Doyle, creator of Titania McGrath, and Peter Hitchens, who isn't a fan. He also usually seems to dislike Nick Cohen, so something for everyone here!isam said:
I don't agree with his rationale as to why the right has produced such poor satire of the left. I think it's simply a matter of the quality of the writers.
That just doesn't happen to the same degree in other areas - sure, jokes still get left in that aren't that good if the writer has poor judgment or just can't write many funny jokes - but jokes don't get a free pass. There are few comedy writers of knob gags who say, "well, it's not laugh out loud funny, but makes a very pertinent point about knobs so I'll leave it."
Doyle/McGrath is a case in point - as you say, it has its moments, but is very, very flabby.
Writers and performers of standup comedy usually work alone, work through a premise then perform it dozens of times to audiences in clubs while iterating the material, changing a word, phrase or pause here and there and watching the reaction. By the time they’re touring theatres or recording TV specials, they’ve been working on the material for a year or more and it’s tight and polished.
The TV panel show is a bunch of comedians with a vague agenda and then lots of editing afterwards, they’ll film for two or three hours to get a 25-minute show. It’s the editing that makes the show, most of the jokes they make off the cuff are not very good.
Then we have scripted sitcom, where usually a group of writers work together to produce something which is read through dozens of times, editing and iterating as they go, before they finalise what’s going to be performed.
Twitter, well that takes the worst bits of all three styles above, and combines them together. A Tweet is usually written quickly by one person, maybe read back once and then published to the world. It’s no surprise that a lot of Twitter jokes don’t land well.3 -
I don't see why not, the hotels and restaurants need the business.SouthamObserver said:Yep, I know that, I’m just wondering if it’s good form.
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I think that yours is the tribal response here.Richard_Tyndall said:
I am afraid that it is you who continues to display your normal tribal bias. You hate this current government and the whole Brexit scenario so much they will never be able to do anything that would satisfy you.Nigel_Foremain said:
A Home Sec in an employment tribunal for bullying? Your tribal loyalty is as quaint as your belief in the fairytale of Brexit.Philip_Thompson said:
It's very early days in this government but so far it has been 10/10 great.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think it was meant to satirical, so I think you may need to do the growing up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your last sentence is just nasty.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Without looking at the details, I am not surprised. What's the government done?CarlottaVance said:Quite a swing - typical after a GE?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1235946635047374849?s=20
Well, oven-ready Brexit but that's not improved anyone's life and if it turns out a lot of Brexit voters were not really voting on Brexit but against decline in general -- and Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings would agree with that -- then where are we? Any genuinely hardcore Brexiteers might see that we are still in a transition period so they won't be happy either. And that is betting without the natural Labour voters in the red wall seats.
So what has the government done? It's got Carrie pregnant and exiled Harry and Meghan but what else?
Carrie being pregnant and Harry and Megan have nothing to do with HMG
Some people need to grow up
The achievements of this government are pretty difficult to identify. We have a blustering PM who is in thrall to a very unsavoury "advisor" and a Home Sec who is likely to find herself in an employment tribunal for bullying. This is a government that already stinks of incompetence, which for a supposed Tory government is not a good look.
A renegotiated deal that was supposed to be impossible has been negotiated and implemented.
The threat of Corbyn has been dealt with.
HS2 decision made.
The coronavirus outbreak has been dealt with well so far.
Early days still but nothing to criticise so far.
The rest of us have moved on whilst you continue to sink in the mire of the past.0 -
I have and it is a very impressive countryeadric said:
Have you ever been there? I have. They are better organised than us. Albeit with a somewhat lower GDP per capita.Casino_Royale said:
South Korea (like ourselves) is a very well organised state.eadric said:
South Korea is a source of encouragement. They've done more reliable tests than anyone and their mortality rate is just 0.6%, six times nastier than flu but not Doomsday. Some experts are heartenedAndy_JS said:The mortality rate in NW Europe (including Germany) is currently 0.23.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GvO77Q1O49d0m4lQdBNdus3H8wdf3s-vLPE8c4cntsI/edit#gid=0
https://twitter.com/aworldoftruth/status/1235973571958145027?s=20
On the other hand there are dissenters who say this is because they are catching so many cases very early, and a lot of these cases will eventually succumb, raising the CFRatio.0 -
Yeh, and the Black Death led to agricultural wages going up.Andy_JS said:"Former Scottish government worker claims a coronavirus pandemic 'would be quite useful' in killing off NHS bed blockers in the wake of the first UK death
Professor June Andrews admitted to MSPs that her comments sounded 'horrific'
But insisted they were an honest assessment of consequences of a pandemic
She blamed politicians for not properly funding hospitals with higher tax rates "
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8082899/Doctor-says-pandemic-quite-useful-killing-bed-blockers.html
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That's what lots of people are saying - but in many cases, the manufacturing capacity and skills just don't exist in developed countries any more. And in Britain's case, Brexit will make them even tougher to find.Casino_Royale said:Brexit kind of looks prophetic now that everyone is going to be a little more Brexity after this outbreak and repatriate a little bit more of their supply chains.
There may still well be just-in-time supply chains but they will also have a strong just-in-case factor to them as well.
And what would be the point of putting all our sources in one place? Italy (and IMHO the US) may well turn out to be harder hit by Covid 19 than China - and it's pure fluke that Johnson's not messed up our anti-plague defences as massively as the Italians and Americans. If he had, we'd be in an even worse mess if we relied on collapsing UK suppliers for our clothes, our technology - or our sanitiser dispensers.
The crucial thing is learning the right supply chain lessons from the Covid19 crisis. We won't know what they are till this outbreak's run its course.0 -
Do you reall mean that the mortality rate is currently 23%? With almost a quarter of those infected dying that would be shockingly high!Andy_JS said:The mortality rate in NW Europe (including Germany) is currently 0.23.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GvO77Q1O49d0m4lQdBNdus3H8wdf3s-vLPE8c4cntsI/edit#gid=0
I think you misplaced the decimal point.0 -
As long as you're well it's okay to travel and the next couple of weeks will be the safest/most socially acceptable for at least the next couple of months.SouthamObserver said:
Yep, I know that, I’m just wondering if it’s good form.Richard_Nabavi said:
The chances of getting the bug in the UK at a restaurant or hotel at the moment are absolutely minuscule, and not necessarily any higher than staying at home and going out to do the shopping or meeting friends. A trip around Ireland would also be very safe.SouthamObserver said:I have a few days holiday coming up thanks to our event in Dublin being called off. There are some options, but I’m genuinely not sure what to do:
1. Use the tickets paid for and non-refundable to go to Dublin anyway and have a look around Ireland for a few days.
2. Write the tickets off and do a British trip instead
3. Stay at home because now is not the time to be travelling.
I figure that hotels, restaurants and other places need people to still be out and about, but I worry that right now it’s not the right thing to do.
Thoughts?
That said, there is a risk that you'll find you've travelled to somewhere which has subsequently had many cases identified.0 -
Big_G_NorthWales said:
But the demographic that voted Leave isn't.eadric said:
Turns out Boris did have a brilliant plan. He spoke to the Chinese government and said Release a bug that kills 15-20% of all people over 80, and quite a few incurables. Ta.Scott_xP said:
Bingo. Social care is fixed.
If only the Opposition had held back from supporting an election. And then pressed for a new Referendum instead.0 -
Can't be arsed.Nigel_Foremain said:0 -
Airlines are really suffering, lots of business travel has been curtailed, exhibitions, conferences and sporting events cancelled or played in empty stadia.eadric said:
We're about two weeks away from the total suspension of almost all international air traffic.CarlottaVance said:https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1235967126613168135?s=20
BA have suspended half their LHR SIN 380 flights
My wife and I decided today not to book a trip to a sporting event at the end of this month, no-one is going to book travel for an event that could end up being cancelled.0 -
I agree, and should stress my advice was assuming your trip was in a couple of months. We don't know that the outbreak will keep getting worse exponentially, but in case it does I'd be wary of making any foreign plans more than 4-6 weeks ahead (possibly even then), and obviously the longer in the future the more uncertainty.eadric said:
This is pretty sensible advice. Yes you can still go somewhere in the UK or Ireland. (The UK if you want to help the British tourist economy)Richard_Nabavi said:
The chances of getting the bug in the UK at a restaurant or hotel at the moment are absolutely minuscule, and not necessarily any higher than staying at home and going out to do the shopping or meeting friends. A trip around Ireland would also be very safe.SouthamObserver said:I have a few days holiday coming up thanks to our event in Dublin being called off. There are some options, but I’m genuinely not sure what to do:
1. Use the tickets paid for and non-refundable to go to Dublin anyway and have a look around Ireland for a few days.
2. Write the tickets off and do a British trip instead
3. Stay at home because now is not the time to be travelling.
I figure that hotels, restaurants and other places need people to still be out and about, but I worry that right now it’s not the right thing to do.
Thoughts?
The further abroad you go the greater the chance of being marooned there, or excluded from home, if there is a sudden change in quarantine/lockdown wherever you are, or wherever your home is.
And you don't want to go anywhere with a crap health system.
I'd do Cornwall, the West Country, or the Irish West Coast, Connemara maybe.....0 -
Flanner said:
Not sure if that reply is for my postBig_G_NorthWales said:
But the demographic that voted Leave isn't.eadric said:
Turns out Boris did have a brilliant plan. He spoke to the Chinese government and said Release a bug that kills 15-20% of all people over 80, and quite a few incurables. Ta.Scott_xP said:
Bingo. Social care is fixed.
If only the Opposition had held back from supporting an election. And then pressed for a new Referendum instead.0 -
Blame it all on Pence? People would have to be dumber than dumb to fall for that. So, yes, I can see it working.rottenborough said:Trump has cleverly put Pence in full charge of virus and the president is now concentrating on campaigning as far as I can see.
Pence will get all the blame under Trump's cunning plan.
Will it work?
But Trump is toast anyway.0 -
No brainer. Stay home.SouthamObserver said:I have a few days holiday coming up thanks to our event in Dublin being called off. There are some options, but I’m genuinely not sure what to do:
1. Use the tickets paid for and non-refundable to go to Dublin anyway and have a look around Ireland for a few days.
2. Write the tickets off and do a British trip instead
3. Stay at home because now is not the time to be travelling.
I figure that hotels, restaurants and other places need people to still be out and about, but I worry that right now it’s not the right thing to do.
Thoughts?0 -
This is the key point in my view. Travelling doesn't look inherently more dangerous than staying in Britain in the medium term for picking up the infection. So the only question is whether you will get adequate healthcare if you catch it wherever you're going.eadric said:Richard_Nabavi said:
The chances of getting the bug in the UK at a restaurant or hotel at the moment are absolutely minuscule, and not necessarily any higher than staying at home and going out to do the shopping or meeting friends. A trip around Ireland would also be very safe.SouthamObserver said:I have a few days holiday coming up thanks to our event in Dublin being called off. There are some options, but I’m genuinely not sure what to do:
1. Use the tickets paid for and non-refundable to go to Dublin anyway and have a look around Ireland for a few days.
2. Write the tickets off and do a British trip instead
3. Stay at home because now is not the time to be travelling.
I figure that hotels, restaurants and other places need people to still be out and about, but I worry that right now it’s not the right thing to do.
Thoughts?
And you don't want to go anywhere with a crap health system.
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Something last done in 2001, during the Foot and Mouth outbreak. Required primary legislation at the time, I wonder if that’s still the case now?rottenborough said:
Postponed. Almost a certainty now I would say.bondegezou said:We have local elections on 7 May, including London Assembly/Mayor. That may well be at the peak of the Covid-19 epidemic. How is that going to affect the election? Lower turnout, particularly among the old? Reduced campaigning? A focus on health issues?
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No, I haven’t.eadric said:
Have you ever been there? I have. They are better organised than us. Albeit with a somewhat lower GDP per capita.Casino_Royale said:
South Korea (like ourselves) is a very well organised state.eadric said:
South Korea is a source of encouragement. They've done more reliable tests than anyone and their mortality rate is just 0.6%, six times nastier than flu but not Doomsday. Some experts are heartenedAndy_JS said:The mortality rate in NW Europe (including Germany) is currently 0.23.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GvO77Q1O49d0m4lQdBNdus3H8wdf3s-vLPE8c4cntsI/edit#gid=0
https://twitter.com/aworldoftruth/status/1235973571958145027?s=20
On the other hand there are dissenters who say this is because they are catching so many cases very early, and a lot of these cases will eventually succumb, raising the CFRatio.
Sorry. I forgot no-one was as well travelled or as knowledgeable as you.1 -
I have a personal problem with the Covid-19 outbreak. I'm due to be hosting leaving drinks in late April. Do I book them or don't I?0
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Let us hope sokinabalu said:
Blame it all on Pence? People would have to be dumber than dumb to fall for that. So, yes, I can see it working.rottenborough said:Trump has cleverly put Pence in full charge of virus and the president is now concentrating on campaigning as far as I can see.
Pence will get all the blame under Trump's cunning plan.
Will it work?
But Trump is toast anyway.1 -
That’s going from one extreme to another. That’s no what I’m saying.Flanner said:
That's what lots of people are saying - but in many cases, the manufacturing capacity and skills just don't exist in developed countries any more. And in Britain's case, Brexit will make them even tougher to find.Casino_Royale said:Brexit kind of looks prophetic now that everyone is going to be a little more Brexity after this outbreak and repatriate a little bit more of their supply chains.
There may still well be just-in-time supply chains but they will also have a strong just-in-case factor to them as well.
And what would be the point of putting all our sources in one place? Italy (and IMHO the US) may well turn out to be harder hit by Covid 19 than China - and it's pure fluke that Johnson's not messed up our anti-plague defences as massively as the Italians and Americans. If he had, we'd be in an even worse mess if we relied on collapsing UK suppliers for our clothes, our technology - or our sanitiser dispensers.
The crucial thing is learning the right supply chain lessons from the Covid19 crisis. We won't know what they are till this outbreak's run its course.
I’m saying in future there’ll be a variety of factors (this is just one) leading companies to make their supply chains resilient as well as efficient.0 -
Or are prepared to be quarantined abroad or here when you come homeAlastairMeeks said:
This is the key point in my view. Travelling doesn't look inherently more dangerous than staying in Britain in the medium term for picking up the infection. So the only question is whether you will get adequate healthcare if you catch it wherever you're going.eadric said:Richard_Nabavi said:
The chances of getting the bug in the UK at a restaurant or hotel at the moment are absolutely minuscule, and not necessarily any higher than staying at home and going out to do the shopping or meeting friends. A trip around Ireland would also be very safe.SouthamObserver said:I have a few days holiday coming up thanks to our event in Dublin being called off. There are some options, but I’m genuinely not sure what to do:
1. Use the tickets paid for and non-refundable to go to Dublin anyway and have a look around Ireland for a few days.
2. Write the tickets off and do a British trip instead
3. Stay at home because now is not the time to be travelling.
I figure that hotels, restaurants and other places need people to still be out and about, but I worry that right now it’s not the right thing to do.
Thoughts?
And you don't want to go anywhere with a crap health system.0
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