Prisons are too full and too expensive. Personally, I would immediately move all prisons out of London, to other parts of the UK where they can be of more benefit to struggling communities. I would build new prisons with facilities for prisoners to be put to work, learning valuable skills in the process. The prisons in London would be sold to property developers. For the worst, violent criminals, we would build prisons in Africa, providing a valuable source of revenue and employment for the host country, and saving a fortune in the process.
I can never understand why we fail to learn from other countries rather than give way to emotional response. I agree prisons are too full (and are expensive). A system worth looking at is the sentencing of non-violent offenders who are not a flight risk to sentences which are served part time (nights only or weekends) or to deferred sentences which are served at a later date (slightly different to suspended sentences). Perhaps there are reasons not to go down these routes, but they would certainly free up resource to deal with more dangerous offenders. These sort of questions are why we need to make a considered response instead of jumping to conclusions.
That's pretty much community service which already exists.
No. Community service is entirely different with no prison time. It is perfectly sensible as an option but very much for what the Americans would term misdemeanours. Deferred and part time sentences are to deal with more serious non violent offenders and work well elsewhere. Of course you cannot separate prison policy from other social policies, and the biggest success of recent years has been Portugal's drug policy which we would look at very seriously if we wanted to reduce some offences. But most of our politicians are too venal to look at evidence.
Prisons are too full and too expensive. Personally, I would immediately move all prisons out of London, to other parts of the UK where they can be of more benefit to struggling communities. I would build new prisons with facilities for prisoners to be put to work, learning valuable skills in the process. The prisons in London would be sold to property developers. For the worst, violent criminals, we would build prisons in Africa, providing a valuable source of revenue and employment for the host country, and saving a fortune in the process.
Short stay prisons need to be close to their communities for family and social visits, and prisoners on remand. I wouldn't be averse to building our own Alcatraz in the Falklands for convicted terrorists.
Current law says that they do.
And it says it for a very good reason.
I disagree. I can see a case for a prison in London for those on remand. Other than that, if your family don't fancy visiting you 'oop North', don't commit a serious crime.
The Tory+Brexit aggregate is down to 43%, in the previous poll it was 44%, before that 46% and 46%. Perhaps Labour Leavers returning to Labour?
Remember Ashcroft's poll showed over half of Brexit party voters wouldn't vote Conservative. So in seats where they've stood down they've either gone back to Labour or won't be voting. That's pretty consistent with these changes.
The conviction was quashed on appeal. The court declared the government's sentence of indeterminate length was deemed unlawful and a fixed length sentence imposed. He was automatically released half way through as is the current law so blame the Appeal Court!
Priti Patel is blaming the last Labour Government ' legislation brought in by your government in 2008 meant that dangerous terrorists had to automatically be released after half of their jail term. Conservatives changed the law in 2012 to end your automatic release policy but Khan was convicted before this.'
I suspect that that's over simplistic. As I posted earlier, apparently he sought help from either the prison or the probation service but it wasn't available and so he was (I think) re-radicalised. Mixing with ones former criminal associates has long been known to lead to re-offending.
I seem to remember there was quite a fight as to what could be done and I don't think Priti's recall is far from the facts.
There is a point where I start to think that if the public wants another hung Parliament, a weak Corbyn Gvt, and no Brexit for now* then f#%k ‘em, I’ll be alright. *It will come, in time.
Just goes to show Corbyn's "car crash" interview has made absolutely no difference whatsoever and Labour's lead has gone up.
Election campaigns, debates, interviews, politicians constantly making a nuisance of themselves on the telly 14/7... all of it makes **** all difference.
People are doing what they always do at this point in an election - which is considering the alternatives. Next week they'll start saying " no thanks" and we'll finish up back where started with Con 10% ahead.
I'm going to try to wait for the rest of the evening's data, but this does look like it could be evidence of more tightening towards another Hung Parliament. There's no particular reason to suppose that the Conservative lead will magically open up again.
Just goes to show Corbyn's "car crash" interview has made absolutely no difference whatsoever and Labour's lead has actually gone up.
Election campaigns, debates, interviews, politicians constantly making a nuisance of themselves on the telly 14/7... all of it makes **** all difference.
People are doing what they always do at this point in an election - which is considering the alternatives. Next week they'll start saying " no thanks" and we'll finish up back where started with Con 10% ahead.
Neither would Boris's.
What *does* do damage is him dodging the debates and Andrew Neil.
Feels like Boris has blown it. Looking back, I think his media allies went OTT with Corbyn's manifesto launch - smacked of panic and rather magnified the Tories' own trappist silence on policy. Would have been better just to ignore it.
Another factor to consider is share. Now this may change tonight but remember labour have yet to burst through 34 in any poll this election. The key for them is getting into the upper 30s
If the poll tightening trend continues we are definitely back where we started. It seems the British people do not want a functioning government or resolution of the Brexit issue. I fear we are heading towards another referendum on Brexit - and then maybe we can return to the other serious issues. As a Conservative remainer I have no problem with this but my greater fear continues to be the slide towards a Labour government which under the current leadership would be catastrophic.
The Tories might have applied more than ten seconds’ thought to Brexit and its implications, before becoming so obsessed with it.
I wonder what Opinium will show . I can’t see that doing something major given it seems to have been the best pollster for the Tories over the last month.
Just goes to show Corbyn's "car crash" interview has made absolutely no difference whatsoever and Labour's lead has gone up.
Election campaigns, debates, interviews, politicians constantly making a nuisance of themselves on the telly 14/7... all of it makes **** all difference.
People are doing what they always do at this point in an election - which is considering the alternatives. Next week they'll start saying " no thanks" and we'll finish up back where started with Con 10% ahead.
I'm going to try to wait for the rest of the evening's data, but this does look like it could be evidence of more tightening towards another Hung Parliament. There's no particular reason to suppose that the Conservative lead will magically open up again.
People always consider their options in the middle of an election before gradually moving back to the government in the final week of the campaign.
Without a swing back to Con in the closing says of the 2017 election Jezza would have been in Downing St running a minority Labour government...
Just goes to show Corbyn's "car crash" interview has made absolutely no difference whatsoever and Labour's lead has gone up.
Election campaigns, debates, interviews, politicians constantly making a nuisance of themselves on the telly 14/7... all of it makes **** all difference.
People are doing what they always do at this point in an election - which is considering the alternatives. Next week they'll start saying " no thanks" and we'll finish up back where started with Con 10% ahead.
I'm going to try to wait for the rest of the evening's data, but this does look like it could be evidence of more tightening towards another Hung Parliament. There's no particular reason to suppose that the Conservative lead will magically open up again.
There is perhaps one straw for Con Maj punters to grasp which is that so far there is no sign of CCHQ panic which might mean their extensive private polling shows a comfortable lead.
No, I did not. All we have to go on is what the Labour Party spokeswoman said in response to the query from the Catholic Herald, which you can find in the original article.
What *does* do damage is him dodging the debates and Andrew Neil.
Fuckwit. Redoing Theresa May's mistakes.
Fuckwit.
Even if he did the debate now he's made it a story about trying to evade it and then giving in.
Yep.
Fuckwit.
I don't think Neil and the debates have done much damage. Corbyn is literally giving people thousands of pounds. It's like the people's postcode lottery showing up on your doorstep. That cuts through.
No, I did not. All we have to go on is what the Labour Party spokeswoman said in response to the query from the Catholic Herald, which you can find in the original article.
Which was a classic non-denial denial. Can’t help but feel this will play badly in strongly Catholic areas, Liverpool and the North West. Thanks for the reply.
Just goes to show Corbyn's "car crash" interview has made absolutely no difference whatsoever and Labour's lead has gone up.
Election campaigns, debates, interviews, politicians constantly making a nuisance of themselves on the telly 14/7... all of it makes **** all difference.
People are doing what they always do at this point in an election - which is considering the alternatives. Next week they'll start saying " no thanks" and we'll finish up back where started with Con 10% ahead.
I'm going to try to wait for the rest of the evening's data, but this does look like it could be evidence of more tightening towards another Hung Parliament. There's no particular reason to suppose that the Conservative lead will magically open up again.
There is perhaps one straw for Con Maj punters to grasp which is that so far there is no sign of CCHQ panic which might mean their extensive private polling shows a comfortable lead.
Or it might mean they’re totally stupid. I know which one I would bet on...
Noones going to get any WASPI cash. The only thing reduced Tory seats at this point leads to is a high chance of a no deal Brexit and the pound crashing.
What *does* do damage is him dodging the debates and Andrew Neil.
Fuckwit. Redoing Theresa May's mistakes.
Fuckwit.
Even if he did the debate now he's made it a story about trying to evade it and then giving in.
Yep.
Fuckwit.
I don't think Neil and the debates have done much damage. Corbyn is literally giving people thousands of pounds. It's like the people's postcode lottery showing up on your doorstep. That cuts through.
Contrarian view here, but I suspect what we're seeing is just low-information voters finally realising there's an election on.
Tories always seem to think that hiding from the media, refusing to offer any positive vision for our country, and relentlessly negative campaigning are the way to win elections.
What *does* do damage is him dodging the debates and Andrew Neil.
Fuckwit. Redoing Theresa May's mistakes.
Fuckwit.
Even if he did the debate now he's made it a story about trying to evade it and then giving in.
Yep.
Fuckwit.
I don't think Neil and the debates have done much damage. Corbyn is literally giving people thousands of pounds. It's like the people's postcode lottery showing up on your doorstep. That cuts through.
Contrarian view here, but I suspect what we're seeing is just low-information voters finally realising there's an election on.
If the Tories get back in they need to reduce the time period from dissolution to election. It's far too long and allows way too many people who don't pay attention to crawl out the woodwork for Labour.
The Waspi pledge effects 3.8 million women . And of course that effects their husbands/partners aswell who might be inclined to vote to help his wife or partner .
For determined Leavers it might not impact but for softer Leavers effected by the pension change especially those who normally vote Labour but were thinking of voting for another party it might keep them with the party.
I wonder what Opinium will show . I can’t see that doing something major given it seems to have been the best pollster for the Tories over the last month.
The last Opinium was almost certainly an outlier, so if it does no more than to revert to the mean (for Opinium) then it would show a tightening. If there has actually been a tightening in public opinion too, then it could be quite dramatic. Who knows what it means if Opinium shows a larger Tory lead. Polls, eh?
What *does* do damage is him dodging the debates and Andrew Neil.
Fuckwit. Redoing Theresa May's mistakes.
Fuckwit.
Even if he did the debate now he's made it a story about trying to evade it and then giving in.
Yep.
Fuckwit.
I don't think Neil and the debates have done much damage. Corbyn is literally giving people thousands of pounds. It's like the people's postcode lottery showing up on your doorstep. That cuts through.
Contrarian view here, but I suspect what we're seeing is just low-information voters finally realising there's an election on.
If the Tories get back in they need to reduce the time period from dissolution to election. It's far too long and allows way too many people who don't pay attention to crawl out the woodwork for Labour.
I remember when this weekend would be referred to as the 'middle weekend' in an election campaign.
It'll be the average of tonight's polls that will be the important thing. The polling average before today was 42/32/14.
Yes it’s notable that a couple of high-ish data points would change the shape of your graph I think. It’s also notable that there’s almost a sine wave in there, which I’m guessing is drive my when the “higher” scoring pollsters report.
It's against my betting but if this Tory majority really is slipping away then ☺🙌 Even better if the reason is that people are starting to see through the ghastly Boris Johnson.
What *does* do damage is him dodging the debates and Andrew Neil.
Fuckwit. Redoing Theresa May's mistakes.
Fuckwit.
Even if he did the debate now he's made it a story about trying to evade it and then giving in.
Yep.
Fuckwit.
I don't think Neil and the debates have done much damage. Corbyn is literally giving people thousands of pounds. It's like the people's postcode lottery showing up on your doorstep. That cuts through.
Contrarian view here, but I suspect what we're seeing is just low-information voters finally realising there's an election on.
If the Tories get back in they need to reduce the time period from dissolution to election. It's far too long and allows way too many people who don't pay attention to crawl out the woodwork for Labour.
What *does* do damage is him dodging the debates and Andrew Neil.
Fuckwit. Redoing Theresa May's mistakes.
Fuckwit.
Even if he did the debate now he's made it a story about trying to evade it and then giving in.
Yep.
Fuckwit.
I don't think Neil and the debates have done much damage. Corbyn is literally giving people thousands of pounds. It's like the people's postcode lottery showing up on your doorstep. That cuts through.
Contrarian view here, but I suspect what we're seeing is just low-information voters finally realising there's an election on.
If the Tories get back in they need to reduce the time period from dissolution to election. It's far too long and allows way too many people who don't pay attention to crawl out the woodwork for Labour.
It's against my betting but if this Tory majority really is slipping away then ☺🙌 Even better if the reason is that people are starting to see through the ghastly Boris Johnson.
I hope they also see through the ghastly Jeremy Corbyn before it is too late.
What *does* do damage is him dodging the debates and Andrew Neil.
Fuckwit. Redoing Theresa May's mistakes.
Fuckwit.
Even if he did the debate now he's made it a story about trying to evade it and then giving in.
Yep.
Fuckwit.
I don't think Neil and the debates have done much damage. Corbyn is literally giving people thousands of pounds. It's like the people's postcode lottery showing up on your doorstep. That cuts through.
Contrarian view here, but I suspect what we're seeing is just low-information voters finally realising there's an election on.
If the Tories get back in they need to reduce the time period from dissolution to election. It's far too long and allows way too many people who don't pay attention to crawl out the woodwork for Labour.
Aren't there legal requirements?
If only there were a group of people that could change the law!
Noones going to get any WASPI cash. The only thing reduced Tory seats at this point leads to is a high chance of a no deal Brexit and the pound crashing.
I think the reverse . That’s the only policy I would definitely believe will be delivered . Failing to pay up would be disastrous at future elections .
Labour is up 4 points with Leave voters in a week, what is happening?
Presumably some people voted Leave in the hope of a left-wing kleptocracy free of interference from Brussels. "Take back control of other people's money" they might have thought. And so it came to pass.
As an ardent Remainer even if the Tories offered me 30,000 pounds I’d say get lost , and I’m sure there are Leavers who would think the same about the Labour pledge but there’s a lot of other people who aren’t so fussed either way about the EU who might think thanks !
Noones going to get any WASPI cash. The only thing reduced Tory seats at this point leads to is a high chance of a no deal Brexit and the pound crashing.
I think the reverse . That’s the only policy I would definitely believe will be delivered . Failing to pay up would be disastrous at future elections .
Just read the Lib Dem position on it and you may well be correct. I thought they'd be opposed to such nonsense.
Noones going to get any WASPI cash. The only thing reduced Tory seats at this point leads to is a high chance of a no deal Brexit and the pound crashing.
I think the reverse . That’s the only policy I would definitely believe will be delivered . Failing to pay up would be disastrous at future elections .
Just read the Lib Dem position on it and you may well be correct. I thought they'd be opposed to such nonsense.
It is fun watching, I'm sure they get a lot of joy when good Tory polls come out too
I think some Tories in here trashing a poll because it’s for a pro EU online paper are ignoring that generally the better polls for Labour have ended up in pro Leave papers like the DT !
As an ardent Remainer even if the Tories offered me 30,000 pounds I’d say get lost , and I’m sure there are Leavers who would think the same about the Labour pledge but there’s a lot of other people who aren’t so fussed either way about the EU who might think thanks !
For the avoidance of doubt, can I just make clear to any party leaders reading that we aren’t all this morally sound and a cheque for £30k absolutely will get you my vote.
As an ardent Remainer even if the Tories offered me 30,000 pounds I’d say get lost , and I’m sure there are Leavers who would think the same about the Labour pledge but there’s a lot of other people who aren’t so fussed either way about the EU who might think thanks !
For the avoidance of doubt, can I just make clear to any party leaders reading that we aren’t all this morally sound and a cheque for £30k absolutely will get you my vote.
I think some Tories in here trashing a poll because it’s for a pro EU online paper are ignoring that generally the better polls for Labour have ended up in pro Leave papers like the DT !
Well true but those polls have been more consistent....this is a massive move
Noones going to get any WASPI cash. The only thing reduced Tory seats at this point leads to is a high chance of a no deal Brexit and the pound crashing.
I think the reverse . That’s the only policy I would definitely believe will be delivered . Failing to pay up would be disastrous at future elections .
Just read the Lib Dem position on it and you may well be correct. I thought they'd be opposed to such nonsense.
What have Labour actually promised? What I have heard is statements like righting a historic wrong, etc.
Noones going to get any WASPI cash. The only thing reduced Tory seats at this point leads to is a high chance of a no deal Brexit and the pound crashing.
I think the reverse . That’s the only policy I would definitely believe will be delivered . Failing to pay up would be disastrous at future elections .
Just read the Lib Dem position on it and you may well be correct. I thought they'd be opposed to such nonsense.
What have Labour actually promised? What I have heard is statements like righting a historic wrong, etc.
That doesn't mean they are paying 30 k.
They have an online calculator telling you how much you'd get if you vote Labour.
What *does* do damage is him dodging the debates and Andrew Neil.
Fuckwit. Redoing Theresa May's mistakes.
Fuckwit.
Even if he did the debate now he's made it a story about trying to evade it and then giving in.
Yep.
Fuckwit.
I don't think Neil and the debates have done much damage. Corbyn is literally giving people thousands of pounds. It's like the people's postcode lottery showing up on your doorstep. That cuts through.
Contrarian view here, but I suspect what we're seeing is just low-information voters finally realising there's an election on.
If the Tories get back in they need to reduce the time period from dissolution to election. It's far too long and allows way too many people who don't pay attention to crawl out the woodwork for Labour.
Aren't there legal requirements?
If only there were a group of people that could change the law!
… and another group that could stop them if it wasn't in the first group's manifesto.
Noones going to get any WASPI cash. The only thing reduced Tory seats at this point leads to is a high chance of a no deal Brexit and the pound crashing.
I think the reverse . That’s the only policy I would definitely believe will be delivered . Failing to pay up would be disastrous at future elections .
Just read the Lib Dem position on it and you may well be correct. I thought they'd be opposed to such nonsense.
What have Labour actually promised? What I have heard is statements like righting a historic wrong, etc.
That doesn't mean they are paying 30 k.
They have an online calculator telling you how much you'd get if you vote Labour.
If I identify as a middle-aged woman can I be eligible?
We'#re expecting a nicer poll for the Tories a bit later. But reactions to London Bridge are not factored in either way, and it's hard to predict - possibly nothing, since no party is really responsible for what one individual does.
Overall, I think the move of Labour Leavers back to Labour is consistent with the belief that people in places like Bolsover really find it difficult to vote Tory in the end.
As an ardent Remainer even if the Tories offered me 30,000 pounds I’d say get lost , and I’m sure there are Leavers who would think the same about the Labour pledge but there’s a lot of other people who aren’t so fussed either way about the EU who might think thanks !
There are very few principles in this world that are valued at more than £10k. Its the point an honorable person will do a dishonorable thing.
I naturally know quite a few Labour voters in friends and family. Having spoken to many recently, Corbyn does not have the vote of a single one of them in the bag.
Doesn’t mean they won’t vote Labour, but in 2017 the mood was different. So I’m not buying a Labour swing yet.
We'#re expecting a nicer poll for the Tories a bit later. But reactions to London Bridge are not factored in either way, and it's hard to predict - possibly nothing, since no party is really responsible for what one individual does.
Overall, I think the move of Labour Leavers back to Labour is consistent with the belief that people in places like Bolsover really find it difficult to vote Tory in the end.
They like the Labour bribes,until later when their tax & cost of living up!
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Of course you cannot separate prison policy from other social policies, and the biggest success of recent years has been Portugal's drug policy which we would look at very seriously if we wanted to reduce some offences. But most of our politicians are too venal to look at evidence.
*It will come, in time.
What *does* do damage is him dodging the debates and Andrew Neil.
Fuckwit. Redoing Theresa May's mistakes.
Fuckwit.
Fuckwit.
Without a swing back to Con in the closing says of the 2017 election Jezza would have been in Downing St running a minority Labour government...
All we have to go on is what the Labour Party spokeswoman said in response to the query from the Catholic Herald, which you can find in the original article.
Can’t help but feel this will play badly in strongly Catholic areas, Liverpool and the North West.
Thanks for the reply.
I know which one I would bet on...
https://imgur.com/0a2aOgM
For determined Leavers it might not impact but for softer Leavers effected by the pension change especially those who normally vote Labour but were thinking of voting for another party it might keep them with the party.
Who knows what it means if Opinium shows a larger Tory lead. Polls, eh?
Even better if the reason is that people are starting to see through the ghastly Boris Johnson.
Perhaps think before typing eh?
Even a Conservative win this year will be followed by a Corbynista majority in 2024.
Because the Conservatives are in denial about student debt.
I do not bet but this is a betting site that affects many posters bets
What everyone wants is more money and they want someone else to provide it.
and so all those votes have gone to......??????
That's the Express as advised
That doesn't mean they are paying 30 k.
The above from Martin Boon. Chris is with YouGov and tweeted in respect of the BMG 'its beginning to look a lot like 2017'
Overall, I think the move of Labour Leavers back to Labour is consistent with the belief that people in places like Bolsover really find it difficult to vote Tory in the end.
Tell them to get their act together.
I naturally know quite a few Labour voters in friends and family. Having spoken to many recently, Corbyn does not have the vote of a single one of them in the bag.
Doesn’t mean they won’t vote Labour, but in 2017 the mood was different. So I’m not buying a Labour swing yet.