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LOL! If Con was on course to lose the election that would be bad news. But Con being on course to win the election is bad news as well?rottenborough said:I think this is very bad for Johnson.
If the cut through tomorrow around the water cooler is that he is nailed on for a decent majority of 60+ then some voters will think twice, given the unconscious wished result is a plague on both crap houses.
Seems like whatever happens its a terrrrrrrrrrrrrible night for the Tories on PB sometimes.
If I was Boris I know I'd prefer this MRP to the 2017 MRP anyway.0 -
I think/hope you're right.wooliedyed said:Controversial take time
Jezzas hamfisted document disaster today of 451 pages of nothing has given Boz the chance to say categorically the NHS is safe with him and has left labour looking like comspiracy nutcases. And yesterday rumbles on.... no apology no apology no apology with voters split down the middle on if the old trot is anti semitic
The thing is when Corbyn was waving redacted documents then it seemed plausible there'd be something nefarious hidden in them. Now unredacted documents are printed and there's nothing in them controversial it could be an "Emperors New Clothes" moment. The more the media looked into the documents the more they seemed to realise/state that what Corbyn was claiming isn't backed up by the documents. So he just looks like he is making it up now.
That is the danger of claiming something as your smoking gun.0 -
I don't think the first point is true.rottenborough said:0 -
The data is not old, it's based on a Tory lead of 11%, which is where yougov is at the moment.rottenborough said:
A lot of straw clutching going on0 -
Should this be PB's new masthead??
"Polls can’t tell you what is actually going to happen on polling day.”
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/11998275427414016000 -
Nope, Yougov shows Boris doing a Trump, getting an above average swing in white working class areas full of marginal Leave voting seatsrottenborough said:0 -
Anglesey? Conservative?camel said:
Yes, 5/1 in Ynys Mon would be up there with my 2017 Hallam surprise. I have 3s on North Norfolk too,llef said:Yougov have cons winning ynys Mon.
I pointed out earlier that the 5/1 with Ladbrokes seemed good value.
Camel should be happy!
If this was the election result it would be bittersweet. Betting-wise, literally as good as it gets. Politically speaking, upsetting.
I expect some movement over the next 13 days though.They have won it twice in the last 100 years (1979 & 83) and the current Lab MP is sitting on a 5,000 majority..,
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It certainly gives the lie to "Tory fake news" when Corbyn waves 451 pages of it!Philip_Thompson said:
I think/hope you're right.wooliedyed said:Controversial take time
Jezzas hamfisted document disaster today of 451 pages of nothing has given Boz the chance to say categorically the NHS is safe with him and has left labour looking like comspiracy nutcases. And yesterday rumbles on.... no apology no apology no apology with voters split down the middle on if the old trot is anti semitic
The thing is when Corbyn was waving redacted documents then it seemed plausible there'd be something nefarious hidden in them. Now unredacted documents are printed and there's nothing in them controversial it could be an "Emperors New Clothes" moment. The more the media looked into the documents the more they seemed to realise/state that what Corbyn was claiming isn't backed up by the documents. So he just looks like he is making it up now.
That is the danger of claiming something as your smoking gun.0 -
True, but places like Coatbridge went SNP, not Tory, and the basic pitch was that Scottish Labour weren't being anti-Tory enough.ozymandias said:
Cough. Scotland. Cough.PaulM said:
Leigh isn't going Tory. No chance. And I wonder whether that points to the shortcomings of the MRP approach - places like Leigh demographically should not be as staunch Labour as they are - negligible BAME, above average home ownership etc But 100 years of Labour MPs and Labour councillors has to count for somethingPhilip_Thompson said:MRP has Leigh as Con Gain.
No. Just no. Leigh is not blue.0 -
A cautionary note for blues
2017 MRP was bad for Tories because nobody believed it
2919 could be bad if everyone believes it0 -
5,000 doesn't sound like a lot.Beibheirli_C said:
Anglesey? Conservative?camel said:
Yes, 5/1 in Ynys Mon would be up there with my 2017 Hallam surprise. I have 3s on North Norfolk too,llef said:Yougov have cons winning ynys Mon.
I pointed out earlier that the 5/1 with Ladbrokes seemed good value.
Camel should be happy!
If this was the election result it would be bittersweet. Betting-wise, literally as good as it gets. Politically speaking, upsetting.
I expect some movement over the next 13 days though.They have won it twice in the last 100 years (1979 & 83) and the current Lab MP is sitting on a 5,000 majority..,
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You are your own worst enemy. Please don't put Boris and Trump in the same sentence. 🙄HYUFD said:
Nope, Yougov shows Boris doing a Trump, getting an above average swing in white working class areas full of marginal Leave voting seatsrottenborough said:0 -
I bet Jezza never read it....just like the Withdrawal Act...and probably still thinks what he said was true, because his advisers told him and it is the biased media again.Philip_Thompson said:
I think/hope you're right.wooliedyed said:Controversial take time
Jezzas hamfisted document disaster today of 451 pages of nothing has given Boz the chance to say categorically the NHS is safe with him and has left labour looking like comspiracy nutcases. And yesterday rumbles on.... no apology no apology no apology with voters split down the middle on if the old trot is anti semitic
The thing is when Corbyn was waving redacted documents then it seemed plausible there'd be something nefarious hidden in them. Now unredacted documents are printed and there's nothing in them controversial it could be an "Emperors New Clothes" moment. The more the media looked into the documents the more they seemed to realise/state that what Corbyn was claiming isn't backed up by the documents. So he just looks like he is making it up now.
That is the danger of claiming something as your smoking gun.0 -
Having just watched the Jezza interview, I know why he only managed to D's in his A-levels (despite going to one of the best state schools)....0
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The problem for Corbyn wasn't just that it was bullshit. It was that the reason it was bullshit could easily be explained in a few words. Claiming Boris was selling the NHS with documents from before he was Prime Minister was obviously laughable.BluerBlue said:
It certainly gives the lie to "Tory fake news" when Corbyn waves 451 pages of it!Philip_Thompson said:
I think/hope you're right.wooliedyed said:Controversial take time
Jezzas hamfisted document disaster today of 451 pages of nothing has given Boz the chance to say categorically the NHS is safe with him and has left labour looking like comspiracy nutcases. And yesterday rumbles on.... no apology no apology no apology with voters split down the middle on if the old trot is anti semitic
The thing is when Corbyn was waving redacted documents then it seemed plausible there'd be something nefarious hidden in them. Now unredacted documents are printed and there's nothing in them controversial it could be an "Emperors New Clothes" moment. The more the media looked into the documents the more they seemed to realise/state that what Corbyn was claiming isn't backed up by the documents. So he just looks like he is making it up now.
That is the danger of claiming something as your smoking gun.0 -
While I think most of that is true, his third point is not a caveat at all, it's an opinion about which one looks best.rottenborough said:1 -
Last time round the average error for Tory/Labour was 0.06% per seat0
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I think its pretty certain Jezza never read it. Even if he had I'm not sure he'd understand it.FrancisUrquhart said:
I bet Jezza never read it....just like the Withdrawal Act...and probably still thinks what he said was true, because his advisers told him and it is the biased media again.Philip_Thompson said:
I think/hope you're right.wooliedyed said:Controversial take time
Jezzas hamfisted document disaster today of 451 pages of nothing has given Boz the chance to say categorically the NHS is safe with him and has left labour looking like comspiracy nutcases. And yesterday rumbles on.... no apology no apology no apology with voters split down the middle on if the old trot is anti semitic
The thing is when Corbyn was waving redacted documents then it seemed plausible there'd be something nefarious hidden in them. Now unredacted documents are printed and there's nothing in them controversial it could be an "Emperors New Clothes" moment. The more the media looked into the documents the more they seemed to realise/state that what Corbyn was claiming isn't backed up by the documents. So he just looks like he is making it up now.
That is the danger of claiming something as your smoking gun.0 -
You may not like it but their voter coalitions are similar, winning big swings in white working class ex industrial areas and towns in the North and Midlands or Pennsylvania and the Midwest but losing some upper middle class voters in big cities and wealthy suburbsPhilip_Thompson said:
You are your own worst enemy. Please don't put Boris and Trump in the same sentence. 🙄HYUFD said:
Nope, Yougov shows Boris doing a Trump, getting an above average swing in white working class areas full of marginal Leave voting seatsrottenborough said:0 -
19 to 26 Nov so some a week old but up to the same end day as Comres and after ICMnunu2 said:
The data is not old, it's based on a Tory lead of 11%, which is where yougov is at the moment.rottenborough said:
A lot of straw clutching going on0 -
The BBC really needs to stop having on activists that pretend to be journalists.rottenborough said:Should this be PB's new masthead??
"Polls can’t tell you what is actually going to happen on polling day.”
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/11998275427414016001 -
Witchcraft.Pulpstar said:Last time round the average error for Tory/Labour was 0.06% per seat
Was that for their initial MRP or for the final one? It did change didn't it.0 -
*two 😂FrancisUrquhart said:Having just watched the Jezza interview, I know why he only managed to D's in his A-levels (despite going to one of the best state schools)....
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I don't think they've ever won Newcastle under Lyme, but they're pretty strong favourites to win that of course, strange how things develop.Beibheirli_C said:
Anglesey? Conservative?camel said:
Yes, 5/1 in Ynys Mon would be up there with my 2017 Hallam surprise. I have 3s on North Norfolk too,llef said:Yougov have cons winning ynys Mon.
I pointed out earlier that the 5/1 with Ladbrokes seemed good value.
Camel should be happy!
If this was the election result it would be bittersweet. Betting-wise, literally as good as it gets. Politically speaking, upsetting.
I expect some movement over the next 13 days though.They have won it twice in the last 100 years (1979 & 83) and the current Lab MP is sitting on a 5,000 majority..,
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I can only imagine what a shit show his red box will be if he ever becomes PM. Gordo reported couldn't manage at all with the constant demands / speed required and he wasn't a total dunce.Philip_Thompson said:
I think its pretty certain Jezza never read it. Even if he had I'm not sure he'd understand it.FrancisUrquhart said:
I bet Jezza never read it....just like the Withdrawal Act...and probably still thinks what he said was true, because his advisers told him and it is the biased media again.Philip_Thompson said:
I think/hope you're right.wooliedyed said:Controversial take time
Jezzas hamfisted document disaster today of 451 pages of nothing has given Boz the chance to say categorically the NHS is safe with him and has left labour looking like comspiracy nutcases. And yesterday rumbles on.... no apology no apology no apology with voters split down the middle on if the old trot is anti semitic
The thing is when Corbyn was waving redacted documents then it seemed plausible there'd be something nefarious hidden in them. Now unredacted documents are printed and there's nothing in them controversial it could be an "Emperors New Clothes" moment. The more the media looked into the documents the more they seemed to realise/state that what Corbyn was claiming isn't backed up by the documents. So he just looks like he is making it up now.
That is the danger of claiming something as your smoking gun.0 -
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Betfair Erith Con 9/1
I don't think they will win but the MRP has them only 3% behind.0 -
Boris would be equally, if not even more vague, this is why he can't do Neil interview, unless the Tories can get assurances from the BBC that Neil will only ask easy questions.FrancisUrquhart said:Just watching the Corbyn interview, what is really telling is he has no idea about the financial side of things. McDonnell has clearly told him x,y and z and Jezza is so dense he has thought that it doesn't sound quite right.
He didn't even understand the question about what proportion of the tax take the rich pay, nor did he have any idea of what it is.0 -
So long as they are correctly identified there's no issue.Gabs3 said:
The BBC really needs to stop having on activists that pretend to be journalists.rottenborough said:Should this be PB's new masthead??
"Polls can’t tell you what is actually going to happen on polling day.”
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/11998275427414016000 -
Boris problem is laziness / thinking he can wing it because he has done so for most of his life.Mexicanpete said:
Boris would be equally, if not even more vague, this is why he can't do Neil interview, unless the Tories can get assurances from the BBC that Neil will only ask easy questions.FrancisUrquhart said:Just watching the Corbyn interview, what is really telling is he has no idea about the financial side of things. McDonnell has clearly told him x,y and z and Jezza is so dense he has thought that it doesn't sound quite right.
He didn't even understand the question about what proportion of the tax take the rich pay, nor did he have any idea of what it is.0 -
Could be the opposite problem as Gordo had though. Gordo apparently wanted to micromanage so got bogged on a few items then the others backed up. I'd imagine Corbyn would just sign whatever he was told to sign without thinking or reading.FrancisUrquhart said:
I can only imagine what a shit show his red box will be if he ever becomes PM. Gordo reported couldn't manage at all with the constant demands / speed required and he wasn't a total dunce.Philip_Thompson said:
I think its pretty certain Jezza never read it. Even if he had I'm not sure he'd understand it.FrancisUrquhart said:
I bet Jezza never read it....just like the Withdrawal Act...and probably still thinks what he said was true, because his advisers told him and it is the biased media again.Philip_Thompson said:
I think/hope you're right.wooliedyed said:Controversial take time
Jezzas hamfisted document disaster today of 451 pages of nothing has given Boz the chance to say categorically the NHS is safe with him and has left labour looking like comspiracy nutcases. And yesterday rumbles on.... no apology no apology no apology with voters split down the middle on if the old trot is anti semitic
The thing is when Corbyn was waving redacted documents then it seemed plausible there'd be something nefarious hidden in them. Now unredacted documents are printed and there's nothing in them controversial it could be an "Emperors New Clothes" moment. The more the media looked into the documents the more they seemed to realise/state that what Corbyn was claiming isn't backed up by the documents. So he just looks like he is making it up now.
That is the danger of claiming something as your smoking gun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zQ55S-DJsM0 -
Can I add NHS? Boris, Trump, NHS.Philip_Thompson said:
You are your own worst enemy. Please don't put Boris and Trump in the same sentence. 🙄HYUFD said:
Nope, Yougov shows Boris doing a Trump, getting an above average swing in white working class areas full of marginal Leave voting seatsrottenborough said:
Hang on what’s missing? Our Farage!
Trump, Boris, Farage. Our NHS.
Actually you are wrong this time a Thomo, HY is right, Conservatives have rarely been so popular on the football terraces of Yorkshire grounds. They called democratic wall Trump busted through his brexit states, Boris is cutting through the same way with the same right wing populism and nationalism, and anti immigration ticket that is brexit.0 -
I'm doing a spreadsheet with the change in Labour share by constituency, unless it's already been done.0
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Looking at Newcastle under Lyme I see one of TissuePrice's predecessors in the seat was Spencer Horsey de Horsey. What a great name!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Horsey_de_Horsey0 -
Alastair (From Edinburgh) numbers.Philip_Thompson said:
Witchcraft.Pulpstar said:Last time round the average error for Tory/Labour was 0.06% per seat
Was that for their initial MRP or for the final one? It did change didn't it.0 -
Probably won't last long after the Tories are shown 7% ahead in the study.another_richard said:*** Betting Post ***
Sky Bet Ynys Mon Con 4/10 -
Stella Creasy has had a baby girl today, which is lovely news, especially given her previous miscarriages.4
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I posted a week ago suggesting backing the seat spread of Labour to be above 208 on sporting index.
While suspended at the moment, probably until tomorrow morning. It was sitting on buy at 211.
I would seriously suggest this. Polls are tightening and tactical voting is going to be high, i believe Labour will finish around the 260 mark.1 -
My understanding was not only the micromanaging, but he was used to having weeks / months to prepare for set pieces like the budget and instead the stuff in the red box requires a decision that day.Philip_Thompson said:
Could be the opposite problem as Gordo had though. Gordo apparently wanted to micromanage so got bogged on a few items then the others backed up. I'd imagine Corbyn would just sign whatever he was told to sign without thinking or reading.FrancisUrquhart said:
I can only imagine what a shit show his red box will be if he ever becomes PM. Gordo reported couldn't manage at all with the constant demands / speed required and he wasn't a total dunce.Philip_Thompson said:
I think its pretty certain Jezza never read it. Even if he had I'm not sure he'd understand it.FrancisUrquhart said:
I bet Jezza never read it....just like the Withdrawal Act...and probably still thinks what he said was true, because his advisers told him and it is the biased media again.Philip_Thompson said:
I think/hope you're right.wooliedyed said:Controversial take time
Jezzas hamfisted document disaster today of 451 pages of nothing has given Boz the chance to say categorically the NHS is safe with him and has left labour looking like comspiracy nutcases. And yesterday rumbles on.... no apology no apology no apology with voters split down the middle on if the old trot is anti semitic
The thing is when Corbyn was waving redacted documents then it seemed plausible there'd be something nefarious hidden in them. Now unredacted documents are printed and there's nothing in them controversial it could be an "Emperors New Clothes" moment. The more the media looked into the documents the more they seemed to realise/state that what Corbyn was claiming isn't backed up by the documents. So he just looks like he is making it up now.
That is the danger of claiming something as your smoking gun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zQ55S-DJsM
So what happened was they put stuff in there, he took an age to read through, claimed he wanted to look at it more, end of the day he didn't finish, and they then had to put it back in the next day. There was a famous photo of when he left of piles of paperwork he hadn't got around to signing off as the backlog had grown and grown.0 -
Perhaps he's having a problem with the new glassesPhilip_Thompson said:
I think its pretty certain Jezza never read it. Even if he had I'm not sure he'd understand it.FrancisUrquhart said:
I bet Jezza never read it....just like the Withdrawal Act...and probably still thinks what he said was true, because his advisers told him and it is the biased media again.Philip_Thompson said:
I think/hope you're right.wooliedyed said:Controversial take time
Jezzas hamfisted document disaster today of 451 pages of nothing has given Boz the chance to say categorically the NHS is safe with him and has left labour looking like comspiracy nutcases. And yesterday rumbles on.... no apology no apology no apology with voters split down the middle on if the old trot is anti semitic
The thing is when Corbyn was waving redacted documents then it seemed plausible there'd be something nefarious hidden in them. Now unredacted documents are printed and there's nothing in them controversial it could be an "Emperors New Clothes" moment. The more the media looked into the documents the more they seemed to realise/state that what Corbyn was claiming isn't backed up by the documents. So he just looks like he is making it up now.
That is the danger of claiming something as your smoking gun.0 -
Even with Google Glass or Hololens, I don't think it would solve Jezza's shortcomings in the brain department.ReggieCide said:
Perhaps he's having a problem with the new glassesPhilip_Thompson said:
I think its pretty certain Jezza never read it. Even if he had I'm not sure he'd understand it.FrancisUrquhart said:
I bet Jezza never read it....just like the Withdrawal Act...and probably still thinks what he said was true, because his advisers told him and it is the biased media again.Philip_Thompson said:
I think/hope you're right.wooliedyed said:Controversial take time
Jezzas hamfisted document disaster today of 451 pages of nothing has given Boz the chance to say categorically the NHS is safe with him and has left labour looking like comspiracy nutcases. And yesterday rumbles on.... no apology no apology no apology with voters split down the middle on if the old trot is anti semitic
The thing is when Corbyn was waving redacted documents then it seemed plausible there'd be something nefarious hidden in them. Now unredacted documents are printed and there's nothing in them controversial it could be an "Emperors New Clothes" moment. The more the media looked into the documents the more they seemed to realise/state that what Corbyn was claiming isn't backed up by the documents. So he just looks like he is making it up now.
That is the danger of claiming something as your smoking gun.0 -
The Lincoln tory PPC is ex MP Karl McCartney who is *ahem* a controversial choice. I have a labour hold here.Andy_JS said:Some of the best holds for Labour according to the model: Plymouth Sutton & Devonport, Portsmouth South, Canterbury, Croydon Central, Reading East, Bridgend, Gower, Newport West, Lincoln, Gedling, Lancaster.
Lincoln is the one that seems the most anomalous.
For more information on the colourful career of Karl McCartney, simply enter the phare "Karl McCartney" into Google. It's quite entertaining.0 -
The BBC is populated with people pretending to be journalists so they likely wouldn't recognise a journalist if one slipped inGabs3 said:
The BBC really needs to stop having on activists that pretend to be journalists.rottenborough said:Should this be PB's new masthead??
"Polls can’t tell you what is actually going to happen on polling day.”
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/11998275427414016000 -
Looking at this big seat poll, not all those labour holds look credible on such a bad night, and many of the tory gains not credible on any night. This taking Labour seats because they voted leave thing was talked up and didn’t happen two years ago. Shippers suggests anti Semitic plays bigger this time. You might say, yet again, it didn’t happen last time because May messed election up. It still feels to me though that the truth is, when it comes to it, many labour leave voters 2016 are labour GE voters in GE.HYUFD said:
It won't be, the Tories gains are almost all in Leave seats that want to get Brexit done, Labour's gains in Remain seats in 2017 are largely Labour holdsrottenborough said:If this happens, it is game on:
https://twitter.com/patrick_kidd/status/11998194218769285201 -
Ochil and Perthshire South,
Tories 41%
SNP 40%. Close0 -
It is by North Wales standards.RobD said:
5,000 doesn't sound like a lot.Beibheirli_C said:
Anglesey? Conservative?camel said:
Yes, 5/1 in Ynys Mon would be up there with my 2017 Hallam surprise. I have 3s on North Norfolk too,llef said:Yougov have cons winning ynys Mon.
I pointed out earlier that the 5/1 with Ladbrokes seemed good value.
Camel should be happy!
If this was the election result it would be bittersweet. Betting-wise, literally as good as it gets. Politically speaking, upsetting.
I expect some movement over the next 13 days though.They have won it twice in the last 100 years (1979 & 83) and the current Lab MP is sitting on a 5,000 majority..,
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I don't see Corbyn having the same problem. Milne says he should sign something, he signs it.FrancisUrquhart said:
My understanding was not only the micromanaging, but he was used to having weeks / months to prepare for set pieces like the budget and instead the stuff in the red box requires a decision that day.Philip_Thompson said:
Could be the opposite problem as Gordo had though. Gordo apparently wanted to micromanage so got bogged on a few items then the others backed up. I'd imagine Corbyn would just sign whatever he was told to sign without thinking or reading.FrancisUrquhart said:
I can only imagine what a shit show his red box will be if he ever becomes PM. Gordo reported couldn't manage at all with the constant demands / speed required and he wasn't a total dunce.Philip_Thompson said:
I think its pretty certain Jezza never read it. Even if he had I'm not sure he'd understand it.FrancisUrquhart said:
I bet Jezza never read it....just like the Withdrawal Act...and probably still thinks what he said was true, because his advisers told him and it is the biased media again.Philip_Thompson said:
I think/hope you're right.wooliedyed said:Controversial take time
Jezzas hamfisted document disaster today of 451 pages of nothing has given Boz the chance to say categorically the NHS is safe with him and has left labour looking like comspiracy nutcases. And yesterday rumbles on.... no apology no apology no apology with voters split down the middle on if the old trot is anti semitic
The thing is when Corbyn was waving redacted documents then it seemed plausible there'd be something nefarious hidden in them. Now unredacted documents are printed and there's nothing in them controversial it could be an "Emperors New Clothes" moment. The more the media looked into the documents the more they seemed to realise/state that what Corbyn was claiming isn't backed up by the documents. So he just looks like he is making it up now.
That is the danger of claiming something as your smoking gun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zQ55S-DJsM
So what happened was they put stuff in there, he took an age to read through, claimed he wanted to look at it more, end of the day he didn't finish, and they then had to put it back in the next day. There was a famous photo of when he left of piles of paperwork he hadn't got around to signing off as the backlog had grown and grown.0 -
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The 75 Lab-Con battlegrounds and the 30 LD battlegrounds https://ukelect.wordpress.com/2019/11/27/the-key-seats/
Two weeks to go, they shouldn't be spending their time/money anywhere else.0 -
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Betfair Bedford Lab 5/2
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The question is, has yougov implemented changes to their model to reflect last time's errors? If so, we could be compensating twice. And was last time's variance due to random error, in which case there might be two lots of adjustments on a number that's actually right...Pulpstar said:Last time round, Tories outperformed the MRP by 2.2% on average, Labour 2.1%, Plaid 0.9%.
Everyone else underperformed; SNP 1.4%, Lib Dems 1.9%, UKIP 1.6%, Greens 0.5%.1 -
And as dozy as everegg said:
He sounds drunk.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well he has moved on from cosplaying as a violent anarchic....AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
What an absolute bell-end he is. Middle class overgrown schoolboy cosplaying as a member of the proletariat.rottenborough said:
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They aren't this time as Boris is a Leaver, May was a Remainer and Corbyn has not delivered Brexit as he promised in 2017 while Boris willegg said:
Looking at this big seat poll, not all those labour holds look credible on such a bad night, and many of the tory gains not credible on any night. This taking Labour seats because they voted leave thing was talked up and didn’t happen two years ago. Shippers suggests anti Semitic plays bigger this time. You might say, yet again, it didn’t happen last time because May messed election up. It still feels to me though that the truth is, when it comes to it, many labour leave voters 2016 are labour GE voters in GE.HYUFD said:
It won't be, the Tories gains are almost all in Leave seats that want to get Brexit done, Labour's gains in Remain seats in 2017 are largely Labour holdsrottenborough said:If this happens, it is game on:
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As I have said often. Two years ago Corbyn effectively neutralised Brexit in Leave seats by promising he would make sure we left. He cannot do that this time.egg said:
Looking at this big seat poll, not all those labour holds look credible on such a bad night, and many of the tory gains not credible on any night. This taking Labour seats because they voted leave thing was talked up and didn’t happen two years ago. Shippers suggests anti Semitic plays bigger this time. You might say, yet again, it didn’t happen last time because May messed election up. It still feels to me though that the truth is, when it comes to it, many labour leave voters 2016 are labour GE voters in GE.HYUFD said:
It won't be, the Tories gains are almost all in Leave seats that want to get Brexit done, Labour's gains in Remain seats in 2017 are largely Labour holdsrottenborough said:If this happens, it is game on:
https://twitter.com/patrick_kidd/status/11998194218769285200 -
He was clearly talking shite, either lying through his teeth or completely ignorant of the facts.FrancisUrquhart said:Just watching the Corbyn interview, what is really telling is he has no idea about the financial side of things. McDonnell has clearly told him x,y and z and Jezza is so dense he has thought that it doesn't sound quite right.
He didn't even understand the question about what proportion of the tax take the rich pay, nor did he have any idea of what it is.0 -
Indeed. Ynys Mon is my comedy bet. Though both of today's MRPs share my sense of humour.Beibheirli_C said:
Anglesey? Conservative?camel said:
Yes, 5/1 in Ynys Mon would be up there with my 2017 Hallam surprise. I have 3s on North Norfolk too,llef said:Yougov have cons winning ynys Mon.
I pointed out earlier that the 5/1 with Ladbrokes seemed good value.
Camel should be happy!
If this was the election result it would be bittersweet. Betting-wise, literally as good as it gets. Politically speaking, upsetting.
I expect some movement over the next 13 days though.They have won it twice in the last 100 years (1979 & 83) and the current Lab MP is sitting on a 5,000 majority..,
As you can see, the tory PPC is a local lass with a long record of electoral success in Wales:
"The Conservatives have chosen the Chair of Kensington, Chelsea and Fulham Conservatives to stand in the Ynys Môn constituency.
Virginia Ann Crosbie is a maths teacher has lived in West Sussex for 10 years with her husband and three children. Her Grandfather was from Merthyr Tydfil, and her father from Monmouth. She has previously stood in the Rhondda constituency, winning 10% of the vote in 2017 which she describes on her website as an “exceptional result in a challenging election”.0 -
I think he is just completely ignorant of the facts. Somebody more switched on would have been able to counter some of what Neil was saying about tax take etc with some carefully chosen facts from the like of Piketty famous book and / or the elephant chart. Instead it was they pay a lot, I think, they can pay more.Floater said:
He was clearly talking shite, either lying through his teeth or completely ignorant of the facts.FrancisUrquhart said:Just watching the Corbyn interview, what is really telling is he has no idea about the financial side of things. McDonnell has clearly told him x,y and z and Jezza is so dense he has thought that it doesn't sound quite right.
He didn't even understand the question about what proportion of the tax take the rich pay, nor did he have any idea of what it is.0 -
Put her up against Sir John Curtice, David Denver, Peter Kellner and the ghost of Tony King.Gabs3 said:
The BBC really needs to stop having on activists that pretend to be journalists.rottenborough said:Should this be PB's new masthead??
"Polls can’t tell you what is actually going to happen on polling day.”
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/11998275427414016001 -
Look at that map, big Tory gains north of Watford, none at all in the South bar Eastbourne and only 2 in London, Dagenham and Kensington.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1199816048037502981?s=20
This election could see the Tories becoming more like the GOP as their vote becomes more working class and northern and less middle class and southern, any losses they do make though to Liberals in London and the South mainly (bar 3 to the SNP)0 -
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Didn't another poll show the opposite?GIN1138 said:twitter.com/YouGov/status/1199812755815124992
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When Keith Best won Anglesey in 1979 I think he was also elected the same day as a councillor in Brighton.camel said:
Indeed. Ynys Mon is my comedy bet. Though both of today's MRPs share my sense of humour.Beibheirli_C said:
Anglesey? Conservative?camel said:
Yes, 5/1 in Ynys Mon would be up there with my 2017 Hallam surprise. I have 3s on North Norfolk too,llef said:Yougov have cons winning ynys Mon.
I pointed out earlier that the 5/1 with Ladbrokes seemed good value.
Camel should be happy!
If this was the election result it would be bittersweet. Betting-wise, literally as good as it gets. Politically speaking, upsetting.
I expect some movement over the next 13 days though.They have won it twice in the last 100 years (1979 & 83) and the current Lab MP is sitting on a 5,000 majority..,
As you can see, the tory PPC is a local lass with a long record of electoral success in Wales:
"The Conservatives have chosen the Chair of Kensington, Chelsea and Fulham Conservatives to stand in the Ynys Môn constituency.
Virginia Ann Crosbie is a maths teacher has lived in West Sussex for 10 years with her husband and three children. Her Grandfather was from Merthyr Tydfil, and her father from Monmouth. She has previously stood in the Rhondda constituency, winning 10% of the vote in 2017 which she describes on her website as an “exceptional result in a challenging election”.
Well it might not have been him but there was certainly somebody who was elected as a councillor on the same day as he was unexpectedly elected an MP in a totally different place.0 -
I’m certain he is going to lose.rottenborough said:0 -
I'm possibly alone in thinking Johnson would survive Brillo unscathed. The format is short - maybe 3 substantive questions - and frankly Corbyn pretty much survived despite being hopelessly out of his depth on economic matters.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think he is just completely ignorant of the facts. Somebody more switched on would have been able to counter some of what Neil was saying about tax take etc with some carefully chosen facts from the like of Piketty famous book and / or the elephant chart. Instead it was they pay a lot, I think, they can pay more.Floater said:
He was clearly talking shite, either lying through his teeth or completely ignorant of the facts.FrancisUrquhart said:Just watching the Corbyn interview, what is really telling is he has no idea about the financial side of things. McDonnell has clearly told him x,y and z and Jezza is so dense he has thought that it doesn't sound quite right.
He didn't even understand the question about what proportion of the tax take the rich pay, nor did he have any idea of what it is.
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Yeah that’s a good point.Richard_Tyndall said:
As I have said often. Two years ago Corbyn effectively neutralised Brexit in Leave seats by promising he would make sure we left. He cannot do that this time.egg said:
Looking at this big seat poll, not all those labour holds look credible on such a bad night, and many of the tory gains not credible on any night. This taking Labour seats because they voted leave thing was talked up and didn’t happen two years ago. Shippers suggests anti Semitic plays bigger this time. You might say, yet again, it didn’t happen last time because May messed election up. It still feels to me though that the truth is, when it comes to it, many labour leave voters 2016 are labour GE voters in GE.HYUFD said:
It won't be, the Tories gains are almost all in Leave seats that want to get Brexit done, Labour's gains in Remain seats in 2017 are largely Labour holdsrottenborough said:If this happens, it is game on:
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Boris will do his usual bluster and he can't help himself when he goes into that mode by telling some story with iffy truth. Neil does his homework like no other political interviewer in the UK and is too switched on to not know if it is BS that Boris is trying to get away with.camel said:
I'm possibly alone in thinking Johnson would survive Brillo unscathed. The format is short - maybe 3 substantive questions - and frankly Corbyn pretty much survived despite being hopelessly out of his depth on economic matters.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think he is just completely ignorant of the facts. Somebody more switched on would have been able to counter some of what Neil was saying about tax take etc with some carefully chosen facts from the like of Piketty famous book and / or the elephant chart. Instead it was they pay a lot, I think, they can pay more.Floater said:
He was clearly talking shite, either lying through his teeth or completely ignorant of the facts.FrancisUrquhart said:Just watching the Corbyn interview, what is really telling is he has no idea about the financial side of things. McDonnell has clearly told him x,y and z and Jezza is so dense he has thought that it doesn't sound quite right.
He didn't even understand the question about what proportion of the tax take the rich pay, nor did he have any idea of what it is.
I know people point to how he charmed Paxman, but when he did Paxman was just mailing it in every night at Newsnight.1 -
Change in Labour share between YouGov MRP and GE2017:
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Plus Paxman then was interviewing the loveable major of London, post Olympics triumph, not the current Prime Minister seeking a mandate.FrancisUrquhart said:
Boris will do his usual bluster and he can't help himself when he goes into that mode by telling some story with iffy truth. Neil does his homework like no other political interviewer in the UK and is too switched on to not know if it is BS that Boris is trying to get away with.camel said:
I'm possibly alone in thinking Johnson would survive Brillo unscathed. The format is short - maybe 3 substantive questions - and frankly Corbyn pretty much survived despite being hopelessly out of his depth on economic matters.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think he is just completely ignorant of the facts. Somebody more switched on would have been able to counter some of what Neil was saying about tax take etc with some carefully chosen facts from the like of Piketty famous book and / or the elephant chart. Instead it was they pay a lot, I think, they can pay more.Floater said:
He was clearly talking shite, either lying through his teeth or completely ignorant of the facts.FrancisUrquhart said:Just watching the Corbyn interview, what is really telling is he has no idea about the financial side of things. McDonnell has clearly told him x,y and z and Jezza is so dense he has thought that it doesn't sound quite right.
He didn't even understand the question about what proportion of the tax take the rich pay, nor did he have any idea of what it is.
I know people point to how he charmed Paxman, but when he did Paxman was just mailing it in every night at Newsnight.0 -
If it does happen then maybe the Tories would start to really take the North South divide seriously instead of just messing around with vanity projects and paying lip service to the majority of the country.HYUFD said:Look at that map, big Tory gains north of Watford, none at all in the South bar Eastbourne and only 2 in London, Dagenham and Kensington.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1199816048037502981?s=20
This election could see the Tories becoming more like the GOP as their vote becomes more working class and northern and less middle class and southern, any losses they do make though to Liberals in London and the South mainly (bar 3 to the SNP)2 -
And that is the game in a nutshell. Is their politics defined by brexit, or labour. We will get a definitive answer this time, as to if you and Richard Tyndall are correct in your confidence, or I prove right that these people’s politics is primarily the economics of Labour when one or other has to give.HYUFD said:
They aren't this time as Boris is a Leaver, May was a Remainer and Corbyn has not delivered Brexit as he promised in 2017 while Boris willegg said:
Looking at this big seat poll, not all those labour holds look credible on such a bad night, and many of the tory gains not credible on any night. This taking Labour seats because they voted leave thing was talked up and didn’t happen two years ago. Shippers suggests anti Semitic plays bigger this time. You might say, yet again, it didn’t happen last time because May messed election up. It still feels to me though that the truth is, when it comes to it, many labour leave voters 2016 are labour GE voters in GE.HYUFD said:
It won't be, the Tories gains are almost all in Leave seats that want to get Brexit done, Labour's gains in Remain seats in 2017 are largely Labour holdsrottenborough said:If this happens, it is game on:
https://twitter.com/patrick_kidd/status/11998194218769285200 -
Is Liverpool Riverside really going to have one of the worst changes for Labour, with a drop from 85% to 64%?0
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Get the Boris doneHYUFD said:0 -
Oh I am not confident at all. I am still scarred from last time around so I take none of this on faith. I can just see justifiable reasons why things might happen a particular way. I will be over the moon if they do work out that way but at the moment feel I am just as likely going to be crushed again.egg said:
And that is the game in a nutshell. Is their politics defined by brexit, or labour. We will get a definitive answer this time, as to if you and Richard Tyndall are correct in your confidence, or I prove right that these people’s politics is primarily the economics of Labour when one or other has to give.HYUFD said:
They aren't this time as Boris is a Leaver, May was a Remainer and Corbyn has not delivered Brexit as he promised in 2017 while Boris willegg said:
Looking at this big seat poll, not all those labour holds look credible on such a bad night, and many of the tory gains not credible on any night. This taking Labour seats because they voted leave thing was talked up and didn’t happen two years ago. Shippers suggests anti Semitic plays bigger this time. You might say, yet again, it didn’t happen last time because May messed election up. It still feels to me though that the truth is, when it comes to it, many labour leave voters 2016 are labour GE voters in GE.HYUFD said:
It won't be, the Tories gains are almost all in Leave seats that want to get Brexit done, Labour's gains in Remain seats in 2017 are largely Labour holdsrottenborough said:If this happens, it is game on:
https://twitter.com/patrick_kidd/status/11998194218769285200 -
I'd like to compare the distribution of their confidence intervals with last time, and in particular to look at which 50 seats they felt and feel least confident about, but for some reason they haven't put CIs in their spreadsheet as they did in 2017.rcs1000 said:
The question is, has yougov implemented changes to their model to reflect last time's errors? If so, we could be compensating twice. And was last time's variance due to random error, in which case there might be two lots of adjustments on a number that's actually right...Pulpstar said:Last time round, Tories outperformed the MRP by 2.2% on average, Labour 2.1%, Plaid 0.9%.
Everyone else underperformed; SNP 1.4%, Lib Dems 1.9%, UKIP 1.6%, Greens 0.5%.0 -
Increases in Labour share:
Leeds NW: +5%
Canterbury: +2%
Isle of Wight: +1%
Porsmouth South: +1%0 -
F##king students.Andy_JS said:Increases in Labour share:
Leeds NW: +5%
Canterbury: +2%
Isle of Wight: +1%
Porsmouth South: +1%0 -
I suspect the tories will need to destroy BXP on the ground to have a good night. The average voter isn't that switched on. I still know of people who are intending to vote BXP in labour held marginals because they want think that will deliver Brexit - indeed many think BXP will win seats. Problem the tories have is they don't have enough ground troops in old coalfield places like NE Wales, Durham and West Yorkshire where BXP are polling 5-10%.egg said:
Yeah that’s a good point.Richard_Tyndall said:
As I have said often. Two years ago Corbyn effectively neutralised Brexit in Leave seats by promising he would make sure we left. He cannot do that this time.egg said:
Looking at this big seat poll, not all those labour holds look credible on such a bad night, and many of the tory gains not credible on any night. This taking Labour seats because they voted leave thing was talked up and didn’t happen two years ago. Shippers suggests anti Semitic plays bigger this time. You might say, yet again, it didn’t happen last time because May messed election up. It still feels to me though that the truth is, when it comes to it, many labour leave voters 2016 are labour GE voters in GE.HYUFD said:
It won't be, the Tories gains are almost all in Leave seats that want to get Brexit done, Labour's gains in Remain seats in 2017 are largely Labour holdsrottenborough said:If this happens, it is game on:
https://twitter.com/patrick_kidd/status/11998194218769285200 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV-kY9JuqDEFrancisUrquhart said:
F##king students.Andy_JS said:Increases in Labour share:
Leeds NW: +5%
Canterbury: +2%
Isle of Wight: +1%
Porsmouth South: +1%0 -
BXP are also taking enough Labour votes to enable the Tories to win seats like Grimsby, Scunthorpe, Bolsover and Dagenham and Workington and West Bromwich East and West with Yougov tonight which have never elected a Tory MP beforecamel said:
I suspect the tories will need to destroy BXP on the ground to have a good night. The average voter isn't that switched on. I still know of people who are intending to vote BXP in labour held marginals because they want think that will deliver Brexit - indeed many think BXP will win seats. Problem the tories have is they don't have enough ground troops in old coalfield places like NE Wales, Durham and West Yorkshire where BXP are polling 5-10%.egg said:
Yeah that’s a good point.Richard_Tyndall said:
As I have said often. Two years ago Corbyn effectively neutralised Brexit in Leave seats by promising he would make sure we left. He cannot do that this time.egg said:
Looking at this big seat poll, not all those labour holds look credible on such a bad night, and many of the tory gains not credible on any night. This taking Labour seats because they voted leave thing was talked up and didn’t happen two years ago. Shippers suggests anti Semitic plays bigger this time. You might say, yet again, it didn’t happen last time because May messed election up. It still feels to me though that the truth is, when it comes to it, many labour leave voters 2016 are labour GE voters in GE.HYUFD said:
It won't be, the Tories gains are almost all in Leave seats that want to get Brexit done, Labour's gains in Remain seats in 2017 are largely Labour holdsrottenborough said:If this happens, it is game on:
https://twitter.com/patrick_kidd/status/11998194218769285200 -
Sadly, too many of their candidates (like the one for Yns Mon) seem to actually be from the South.Richard_Tyndall said:
If it does happen then maybe the Tories would start to really take the North South divide seriously instead of just messing around with vanity projects and paying lip service to the majority of the country.HYUFD said:Look at that map, big Tory gains north of Watford, none at all in the South bar Eastbourne and only 2 in London, Dagenham and Kensington.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1199816048037502981?s=20
This election could see the Tories becoming more like the GOP as their vote becomes more working class and northern and less middle class and southern, any losses they do make though to Liberals in London and the South mainly (bar 3 to the SNP)0 -
There are a lot of *really* close LD/Con marginals in this model, many more than I would have expected. If the LDs get 17% rather than 14%, then they'll be on 20 plus seats, and if they get 12%, they could well end up down on the night.Henrietta said:
I'd like to compare the distribution of their confidence intervals with last time, and in particular to look at which 50 seats they felt and feel least confident about, but for some reason they haven't put CIs in their spreadsheet as they did in 2017.rcs1000 said:
The question is, has yougov implemented changes to their model to reflect last time's errors? If so, we could be compensating twice. And was last time's variance due to random error, in which case there might be two lots of adjustments on a number that's actually right...Pulpstar said:Last time round, Tories outperformed the MRP by 2.2% on average, Labour 2.1%, Plaid 0.9%.
Everyone else underperformed; SNP 1.4%, Lib Dems 1.9%, UKIP 1.6%, Greens 0.5%.0 -
I know the Tory candidate for West Bromwich West is council house born and lives in the West Midlands and is projected to take the seat tonight so that is not always the casercs1000 said:
Sadly, too many of their candidates (like the one for Yns Mon) seem to actually be from the South.Richard_Tyndall said:
If it does happen then maybe the Tories would start to really take the North South divide seriously instead of just messing around with vanity projects and paying lip service to the majority of the country.HYUFD said:Look at that map, big Tory gains north of Watford, none at all in the South bar Eastbourne and only 2 in London, Dagenham and Kensington.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1199816048037502981?s=20
This election could see the Tories becoming more like the GOP as their vote becomes more working class and northern and less middle class and southern, any losses they do make though to Liberals in London and the South mainly (bar 3 to the SNP)0 -
Looking at the seven Clwyd seatsBig_G_NorthWales said:I would rather be in the position the conservatives are tonight than labour
However, I am not complacent and we have 13 more days before polls open
I intend keeping my feet on the ground and await the final verdict on the 13th December
Lots of betting opportunitirs I assume
Anyway time for me to say
'Good night folks'
Aberconwy Con 47 Lab 41
Alyn Deeside Con 42 Lab 42
Clwyd South Con 43 Lab 41
Clwyd West Con 51 Lab 34
Delyn Con 43 Lab 43
Vale Clwyd Con 43 Lab 41
Wrexham Con 42 Lab 38
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Change in Con share between GE2017 and the YouGov MRP model:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HYvNvaq3xaLjItv6PH0zFxoh3cwec3sL5WB5tByKbsY/edit#gid=01 -
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MRP & Don Valley..
We are given to believe that BJ&co will be receiving an 8% majority, or 4000 on a 2017 turnout.
Given Flinty had a 5000 lab Maj in 2017, and is quite well thought of hereabouts for actually supporting Leave (sort of), presumably nearly all of these ex pit villagers are now voting Tory.
This in a seat last held by a non-lab MP in 1918.
Not coincidentally, I suspect, at this last event the Tories didn't stand..
UGov are having a giraffe.0 -
The seat forecast I find most puzzling is the SNP gaining Caithness from the LDs. I'd be pretty surprised if that actually happens on election night.0
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Lib DenmsAndy_JS said:The seat forecast I find most puzzling is the SNP gaining Caithness from the LDs. I'd be pretty surprised if that actually happens on election night.
winning herelosing everywhere....1 -
Think of a number, double it, then triple it...
Labour claims it would plant two billion new trees in England by 2040 if they win the general election....Labour says it will make £2.5bn available to plant the trees in a number of sites, including urban parks, farmland and schools.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-505782070 -
Looks like today's Labour dossier will be all the iffy stuff that Boris has said over the years...
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-505812080 -
Bedford on a knife-edge if the YouGov MRP model is right, (and would probably also mean the seat losing its number one status in the swing bellwether stakes):
Con 40%
Lab 39%
LD 11%
BRX 6%
Grn 4%
This would mean a swing of 1.3% from Lab to Con compared to 4.2% overall if the YouGov headline figures are correct.0 -
Flint will lose.shiney2 said:MRP & Don Valley..
We are given to believe that BJ&co will be receiving an 8% majority, or 4000 on a 2017 turnout.
Given Flinty had a 5000 lab Maj in 2017, and is quite well thought of hereabouts for actually supporting Leave (sort of), presumably nearly all of these ex pit villagers are now voting Tory.
This in a seat last held by a non-lab MP in 1918.
Not coincidentally, I suspect, at this last event the Tories didn't stand..
UGov are having a giraffe.
The problem that rebel Labour MPs have got is that their support for the Boris deal has not increased support for *them* as MPs but has hardened support for *Brexit* in their constituencies, and voters who want to "Get Brexit done" are much more likely to support Boris or Farage. In other words these MPs get no thanks at all from their constituents.0 -
Nice theory. Tories however have selected another non-resident as their candidate. Here today, gone tomorrow etc. We're a bit local round here.Dadge said:
Flint will lose.shiney2 said:MRP & Don Valley..
We are given to believe that BJ&co will be receiving an 8% majority, or 4000 on a 2017 turnout.
Given Flinty had a 5000 lab Maj in 2017, and is quite well thought of hereabouts for actually supporting Leave (sort of), presumably nearly all of these ex pit villagers are now voting Tory.
This in a seat last held by a non-lab MP in 1918.
Not coincidentally, I suspect, at this last event the Tories didn't stand..
UGov are having a giraffe.
The problem that rebel Labour MPs have got is that their support for the Boris deal has not increased support for *them* as MPs but has hardened support for *Brexit* in their constituencies, and voters who want to "Get Brexit done" are much more likely to support Boris or Farage. In other words these MPs get no thanks at all from their constituents.0 -
If the YouGov MRP gets it right again, I can see traditional opinion polls being ditched altogether in favour of MRP-type studies. (I know there is a certain overlap between the two methods).0
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the 2017 YouGov MRP released significantly closer to polling day?egg said:
It was hugely exciting an hour and half ago, is it now going in a bin 😕.MikeSmithson said:
Agreed. That'a a huge problem with MRP pollingWulfrun_Phil said:
YouGov has Field getting around 10% in Birkenhead, to the Labour candidate's 50%. Not a plausible outcome at all.wooliedyed said:
Yep, Bottomley 75, Sheerman 79 election (And field if he survives) them Harriet 82 and on to the 83 mob.JohnO said:
No. She was elected in 1982, Bottomley in 1975 by-election (or 76,...haven’t checked).Richard_Nabavi said:
I think it's Harriet, isn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:So if Skinner does lose, with Ken Clarke's retirement, who will be the new Father/Mother of the House?
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