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Rochdale being disingenuous about Corbyn.RochdalePioneers said:BORIS: Is Mr Corbyn leave or remain
JEREMY: That's not up to me
And the grave gets dug deeper.
Nothing new there then.0 -
"Oven-ready" - I'm not a child ffs.0
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Don't know about anyone else but I'm watching Wales v Hungary at the moment. Better entertainment value, less nerve-wracking.
I do hope Boris doesn't totally stuff that debate up, but I'm less than 100% confident...0 -
The problem with JCs attack line on the US trade deal is that he's not explaining why it is a bad idea. most people in the UK actually like the US and it doesn't hurt BJ to make that the attack line.
If he attacked on chlorinated chicken he'd hit his mark much better. It's lots of these minor misses which will hurt JC0 -
Vast Inanition!0
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Jezza very evasive.0
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You think it won’t simultaneously put on far more trains to the North and free up dozens of pathways on existing lines?Richard_Tyndall said:
HS2 won't make a difference.ydoethur said:
Their proposals for the former are meaningless drivel. Leaving aside the fact Gove promised something similar in 2010 (I wonder how that went?) what they are proposing is either local authority control or effectively academy chain control. Both have been utterly disastrous. They are a recipe fo cronyism, incompetence and waste.kle4 said:
Replacing Ofsted.
Not abolishing private schools, which surprises me.
Even if their proposals on private education and charitable status are legal and practical, as I have repeatedly pointed out VAT on school fees would close most private schools. So while they have the right idea in terms of cutting class sizes to 20, the money they have put aside for it is laughably inadequate. £12 billion a year would be none too much.
So - just to be clear - they’re proposing zero carbon transport and proposing to eliminate the only realistic way of achieving it? They want to build lots of railway lines, just not the only one that will make a big difference?kle4 said:
Trident, new roads, airports, HS2 axed
A read through and it’s a bunch of unicorn policies put forward by a bunch of self righteous but dimwitted authoritarians. It’s like Labour’s policy offering but with a better colour scheme and less violence.0 -
This is awful viewing already. What a pathetic level of debate.1
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Johnson waffling, Corbyn already VERY CLEAR VERY CLEAR. And talking. In Staccato. Phrases.0
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Christ on a bendy bus Jezza, stop being such a fucking faff-arse.1
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Bored with Corbyn lies over NHS0
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To where? Wales?ydoethur said:
You think it won’t simultaneously put on far more trains to the North and free up dozens of pathways on existing lines?Richard_Tyndall said:
HS2 won't make a difference.ydoethur said:
Their proposals for the former are meaningless drivel. Leaving aside the fact Gove promised something similar in 2010 (I wonder how that went?) what they are proposing is either local authority control or effectively academy chain control. Both have been utterly disastrous. They are a recipe fo cronyism, incompetence and waste.kle4 said:
Replacing Ofsted.
Not abolishing private schools, which surprises me.
Even if their proposals on private education and charitable status are legal and practical, as I have repeatedly pointed out VAT on school fees would close most private schools. So while they have the right idea in terms of cutting class sizes to 20, the money they have put aside for it is laughably inadequate. £12 billion a year would be none too much.
So - just to be clear - they’re proposing zero carbon transport and proposing to eliminate the only realistic way of achieving it? They want to build lots of railway lines, just not the only one that will make a big difference?kle4 said:
Trident, new roads, airports, HS2 axed
A read through and it’s a bunch of unicorn policies put forward by a bunch of self righteous but dimwitted authoritarians. It’s like Labour’s policy offering but with a better colour scheme and less violence.0 -
props?
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Cheer upScrapheap_as_was said:
No transfers for 2 transfer windows, muck up the contracts of your entire starting back 4 and key central midfielder. Pay under the market rate to the whole squad.TheScreamingEagles said:
Feel your pain, we're lucky FSG back Klopp in the transfer market.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Gutted.MarqueeMark said:Pochettino sacked.
Lose the Champions League final? Spend nearly £180 million that summer to win it the next year.
Have a struggling defence? Break the world record transfer fee for a GK and Centre back in the space of 6 months.
Levy should take note.
Take a bow Mr Levy.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/11968829430017105990 -
Well, principally around Birmingham and London.Sunil_Prasannan said:
To where? Wales?ydoethur said:
You think it won’t simultaneously put on far more trains to the North and free up dozens of pathways on existing lines?Richard_Tyndall said:
HS2 won't make a difference.ydoethur said:
Their proposals for the former are meaningless drivel. Leaving aside the fact Gove promised something similar in 2010 (I wonder how that went?) what they are proposing is either local authority control or effectively academy chain control. Both have been utterly disastrous. They are a recipe fo cronyism, incompetence and waste.kle4 said:
Replacing Ofsted.
Not abolishing private schools, which surprises me.
Even if their proposals on private education and charitable status are legal and practical, as I have repeatedly pointed out VAT on school fees would close most private schools. So while they have the right idea in terms of cutting class sizes to 20, the money they have put aside for it is laughably inadequate. £12 billion a year would be none too much.
So - just to be clear - they’re proposing zero carbon transport and proposing to eliminate the only realistic way of achieving it? They want to build lots of railway lines, just not the only one that will make a big difference?kle4 said:
Trident, new roads, airports, HS2 axed
A read through and it’s a bunch of unicorn policies put forward by a bunch of self righteous but dimwitted authoritarians. It’s like Labour’s policy offering but with a better colour scheme and less violence.0 -
Johnson also now ranting. They'll be screaming at each other shortlyRochdalePioneers said:Johnson waffling, Corbyn already VERY CLEAR VERY CLEAR. And talking. In Staccato. Phrases.
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Oh dear Jezza.0
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Laughter rains down on Jezza.0
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First whoopy cheer for Boris.
First laughing at Corbyn.0 -
Oh Jez. Can't answer the question, getting laughed at.0
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People are actually laughing at JC on his position...0
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Doesn't matter particularly, but LD yellow is closer to orange than the SNP shade.RochdalePioneers said:Corbyn's tie is so red that it's almost SNP Orange. Not that he's pointing the way to the SNP...
And you do have all those lovely orange bookers to accommodate..0 -
Corbyn flailing.0
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uh-oh. Jezza being laughed at now.0
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Why doesn't that name surprise me.TheScreamingEagles said:
Cheer upScrapheap_as_was said:
No transfers for 2 transfer windows, muck up the contracts of your entire starting back 4 and key central midfielder. Pay under the market rate to the whole squad.TheScreamingEagles said:
Feel your pain, we're lucky FSG back Klopp in the transfer market.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Gutted.MarqueeMark said:Pochettino sacked.
Lose the Champions League final? Spend nearly £180 million that summer to win it the next year.
Have a struggling defence? Break the world record transfer fee for a GK and Centre back in the space of 6 months.
Levy should take note.
Take a bow Mr Levy.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/11968829430017105990 -
Boris looking angry, genuinely so about the NHS being up for sale claim. I'm sure it's a strategy, but he was prepared for the claim at least and didn't waffle. Corbyn using props will make for a good viral clip.0
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Oh FFS. I'm off.TheScreamingEagles said:
Cheer upScrapheap_as_was said:
No transfers for 2 transfer windows, muck up the contracts of your entire starting back 4 and key central midfielder. Pay under the market rate to the whole squad.TheScreamingEagles said:
Feel your pain, we're lucky FSG back Klopp in the transfer market.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Gutted.MarqueeMark said:Pochettino sacked.
Lose the Champions League final? Spend nearly £180 million that summer to win it the next year.
Have a struggling defence? Break the world record transfer fee for a GK and Centre back in the space of 6 months.
Levy should take note.
Take a bow Mr Levy.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/11968829430017105990 -
JC being laughed at is not good for him
Odd glasses as well. make him look ill.2 -
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Corbyn placing the border in the wrong place. He's getting all the details wrong.0
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Which is why it's to Swinson's advantage to be excused from it. We're already getting reports across the country of people hating the choice of Johnson or Corbyn. "Do you really want to vote for that?" will be the lineGallowgate said:This is awful viewing already. What a pathetic level of debate.
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Very low energy performance from Corbyn so far.0
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PB unanimous that Corbs is doing badly, hence the public will think he will have won a resounding victory.0
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OK, people are right, Corbyn's glasses are on wonky. Mine are often the same, poor chap.
Corbyn going softer in tone now he's on the Union, sounding regretful we are in this situation. Boris of course going hard on the SNP link - worked last time. Corbyn srong in reply, but he's talking about coalition, which is not the same thing.0 -
No.RochdalePioneers said:
Which is why it's to Swinson's advantage to be excused from it. We're already getting reports across the country of people hating the choice of Johnson or Corbyn. "Do you really want to vote for that?" will be the lineGallowgate said:This is awful viewing already. What a pathetic level of debate.
BUT WHAT FUCKING CHOICE HAVE I GOT AS YOU LOT CHICKENED OUT?!!!!!0 -
Boris' attack lines:
1. Tell us what you think on Brexit
2. Lab in hock to Sturgeon and the SNP.
IMO v effective.0 -
Jezza's wonky glasses is not a good look at all.0
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Because his position is laughable.spudgfsh said:People are actually laughing at JC on his position...
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Trying to be fair but Corbyn looks lost and unwell0
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I mean people are laughing at Boris too.MarqueeMark said:
Because his position is laughable.spudgfsh said:People are actually laughing at JC on his position...
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Barnesian: sorry to be a nitpicker, but is your prediction for Yeovil correct? It's currently a LD gain by 48% to 47%, but the Tories have a 25% majority (or 15,000 votes) and it voted Leave by 59% to 41%.0
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Boris answering question on Union more important than Brexit but Corbyn evading. Will go down well in Scotland with unionist vote0
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“No deals with the SNP” says Jezza.
Boris says the Union is more important than Brexit. Jezza doesn’t confirm.
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The men aren't listening to the woman who's trying to direct the debate.0
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out of the frying pan into the fire....eek said:
Why doesn't that name surprise me.TheScreamingEagles said:
Cheer upScrapheap_as_was said:
No transfers for 2 transfer windows, muck up the contracts of your entire starting back 4 and key central midfielder. Pay under the market rate to the whole squad.TheScreamingEagles said:
Feel your pain, we're lucky FSG back Klopp in the transfer market.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Gutted.MarqueeMark said:Pochettino sacked.
Lose the Champions League final? Spend nearly £180 million that summer to win it the next year.
Have a struggling defence? Break the world record transfer fee for a GK and Centre back in the space of 6 months.
Levy should take note.
Take a bow Mr Levy.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/11968829430017105990 -
LOL this is your leader, right?bigjohnowls said:
Leader. n. the person who leads or commands a group, organization, or country.0 -
LOL Corbyn now offering Scotland £70bn bung
One seat still for LAB in Scotland0 -
Corbyn re-revealing both the open goal on euref2 and the open goal on indyref2 in reply to a q about the union.
h o p e l e s s0 -
Clapclapclapclapclapclap1
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However, they have been laughing at him continuously since 1996, and it doesn’t seem to hurt him.Gallowgate said:
I mean people are laughing at Boris too.MarqueeMark said:
Because his position is laughable.spudgfsh said:People are actually laughing at JC on his position...
Corbyn on the other hand comes across as rather pompous. Not much of a sense of humour. Or at least, if he has one he doesn’t use it well.0 -
Perhaps Jez is following a clear strategy (there must be a first time for everything). Maybe he is going for the sympathy vote?0
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Unlike 2015, I wonder if people think a Labour/SNP government is actually a remote prospect at this point though.0
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Corbyn is doing better than I expected.0
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Apple is awesome.
Android is shite.
Until recently, weaknesses in Android camera apps from Google and Samsung made it possible for rogue apps to record video and audio and take images and then upload them to an attacker-controlled server—without any permissions to do so. Camera apps from other manufacturers may still be susceptible.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/11/google-samsung-fix-android-spying-flaw-other-makers-may-still-be-vulnerable/0 -
The audience's sporadic clapping is getting annoying.3
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Come again?LostPassword said:The men aren't listening to the woman who's trying to direct the debate.
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That was a good comeback from Corbyn
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Here's hoping for a hilariously left field instant reaction poll after this debate.0
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How bad were your expectations?Gallowgate said:Corbyn is doing better than I expected.
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Yes I’ll give him that one.RobD said:That was a good comeback from Corbyn
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Johnsons attacking Corbyn for not answering the question, I think it'll start to stick regardless of the lines aimed at his supporters0
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Johnson completely lying about the Irish Sea border. Can he be nailed on it?
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She's trying to get them to answer questions, or allow the other to answer a question and they're ignoring her.Drutt said:
Come again?LostPassword said:The men aren't listening to the woman who's trying to direct the debate.
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Thoughts so far?
I think Johnson started off well but he's going into bully mode0 -
Corbyn getting reamed. Hoping they can get Johnson ranting waffling and mad again with arms flailing again0
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Johnson lies without his nose growing, very clever!0
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Trust and leadership up next. This could get brutal.
But it is a stupid question - lots of people are not in despair, and do trust Boris/Corbyn.0 -
A brilliant questioner0
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I don't know what that even means. What is being a bully in the context of a debate?CorrectHorseBattery said:Thoughts so far?
I think Johnson started off well but he's going into bully mode0 -
Why does the invigilator keep interrupting Boris ?0
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Johnson has been very good at staying on message during this debate so far.RochdalePioneers said:Corbyn getting reamed. Hoping they can get Johnson ranting waffling and mad again with arms flailing again
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Betfair completely static.1
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Johnson clear and getting his points across.
Corbyn fence sitting has ran its course.0 -
Shome mishtake, Shirl?Flashy4 said:“No deals with the SNP” says Jezza.
Boris says the Union is more important than Brexit. Jezza doesn’t confirm.
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Are you MysticRose?CorrectHorseBattery said:Thoughts so far?
I think Johnson started off well but he's going into bully mode0 -
A pair of misogynists behaving rudely towards a woman?LostPassword said:
She's trying to get them to answer questions, or allow the other to answer a question and they're ignoring her.Drutt said:
Come again?LostPassword said:The men aren't listening to the woman who's trying to direct the debate.
I’m shocked, I tell you. Shocked.0 -
Indeed, but it is dumb to act like everyone is despairing of them. Corbyn giving a better response about trust and leadership. Focusing on listening and consensus. It's not borne out by his leadership, but he looked good saying it.ydoethur said:
That thought is enough to make the rest of us despair further though.kle4 said:Trust and leadership up next. This could get brutal.
But it is a stupid question - lots of people are not in despair, and do trust Boris/Corbyn.0 -
You lost me at the Beano/NationalTheuniondivvie said:
Shome mishtake, Shirl?Flashy4 said:“No deals with the SNP” says Jezza.
Boris says the Union is more important than Brexit. Jezza doesn’t confirm.
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It should never have been a two way debate a disgrace to democracyydoethur said:
That thought is enough to make the rest of us despair further though.kle4 said:Trust and leadership up next. This could get brutal.
But it is a stupid question - lots of people are not in despair, and do trust Boris/Corbyn.0 -
1-1 on the laughs.0
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Bring people together not divide them is a good sounding line, but not what either are doing.
Boris now laughed at, bad look. Points to Corbyn on this one, he is able to look more reasonable.0 -
She’s being pretty rude back. Now she’s on a monologue- shut up FFS.ydoethur said:
A pair of misogynists behaving rudely towards a woman?LostPassword said:
She's trying to get them to answer questions, or allow the other to answer a question and they're ignoring her.Drutt said:
Come again?LostPassword said:The men aren't listening to the woman who's trying to direct the debate.
I’m shocked, I tell you. Shocked.0 -
wow! how badly do you think he'd do?Gallowgate said:Corbyn is doing better than I expected.
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Round 1 Johnson, Round 2 Corbyn. Until the antisemitism stuff (although the immediate laugh from the audience seemed forced)0
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Lets be honest. Corbyn is not going to lose any votes here. He can only gain them.0
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I think Corbyn edges it on integrity. He sticks to his beliefs. What those beliefs are might not be to anyone's tastes, nor have they been tested by the responsibility of power, but he must win on integrity vs Johnson of all people.0
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Andriod is not shite, its great, no one wants to steal my pictures.. far too boring.TheScreamingEagles said:Apple is awesome.
Android is shite.
Until recently, weaknesses in Android camera apps from Google and Samsung made it possible for rogue apps to record video and audio and take images and then upload them to an attacker-controlled server—without any permissions to do so. Camera apps from other manufacturers may still be susceptible.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/11/google-samsung-fix-android-spying-flaw-other-makers-may-still-be-vulnerable/0 -
First mention of Lab Antisemitism gets a little applause.
Get him Boris. Get him.0 -
Parties in single figures % wise are not relevant to who is PM on 13.12.19nichomar said:
It should never have been a two way debate a disgrace to democracyydoethur said:
That thought is enough to make the rest of us despair further though.kle4 said:Trust and leadership up next. This could get brutal.
But it is a stupid question - lots of people are not in despair, and do trust Boris/Corbyn.0 -
I expect nobody will bother watching any more of these debates
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