I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
He sent it though. You definitely said he wouldn’t send such a letter.
He didn't, he sent a copy of the Benn Act, the only letter he sent was a signed letter rejecting extension
Ceci n’est pas un pipe. @HYUFD getting all surrealist on us.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
He sent it though. You definitely said he wouldn’t send such a letter.
He didn't, he sent a copy of the Benn Act, the only letter he sent was a signed letter rejecting extension
Casuistry. He surrendered to the Surrender Act so he could get his Surrender Deal through.
He didn't, diehard Remainers have decided he did and are very smug today with how clever they were, Tories and Leavers though are clear he did not so they have achieved precisely zilch!
Has Rupert Harrison got a seat to contest yet? He’s very impressive.
He is a former Osborne SPAD and Brexit sceptic so I doubt it, though he might have a chance in Cities of London and Westminster now Mark Field is stepping down if he fancies taking on Chuka
I think Chukka has a good chance of taking that seat now. Incumbency is worth several thousand votes, maybe Field can see the writing on the wall...
Indeed, I think Chuka could win it with Labour tactical votes and it is strongly Remain.
If Harrison does not get selected there though he will find in most Tory associations at the moment if they have a choice between a pro Boris and pro Brexit dustman and a diehard Remainer with an Oxbridge PhD and high flying career, they will pick the dustman given their current mood
Rupert isn’t a die hard Remainer (I know him quite well as he chairs a board I sit on)
He comes across as a very orthodox Cameron-syle Eurosceptic on Twitter.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
He sent it though. You definitely said he wouldn’t send such a letter.
He didn't, he sent a copy of the Benn Act, the only letter he sent was a signed letter rejecting extension
Casuistry. He surrendered to the Surrender Act so he could get his Surrender Deal through.
He didn't, diehard Remainers have decided he did and are very smug today with how clever they were, Tories and Leavers though are clear he did not so they have achieved precisely zilch!
I note that Tories have stopped referring to the Benn Act as the Surrender Act...
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
If Benn wanted it signed by the PM, perhaps he should have written it into law.
Along with the blood type.....
You're right, of course. Johnson has completely outsmarted Benn, who must be feeling comprehensively humiliated now.
And the effect of the Benn Act has been....what? To force a Deal (that Remainers don't want)? They aren't exactly toasting Benn's name in European capitals this weekend.....
It’s done exactly what it was supposed to do - allow a day of triumphant Remoaners to crow on Twitter about Johnson sending the letter.
While the vast majority of Tories and Leavers remain fully behind Boris against those smug, triumphant Remaoners anyway
So we're triumphant? You accept we've won. Hoorah.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters he etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
He sent it though. You definitely said he wouldn’t send such a letter.
He didn't, he sent a copy of the Benn Act, the only letter he sent was a signed letter rejecting extension
Casuistry. He surrendered to the Surrender Act so he could get his Surrender Deal through.
He didn't, diehard Remainers have decided he did and are very smug today with how clever they were, Tories and Leavers though are clear he did not so they have achieved precisely zilch!
Has Rupert Harrison got a seat to contest yet? He’s very impressive.
He is a former Osborne SPAD and Brexit sceptic so I doubt it, though he might have a chance in Cities of London and Westminster now Mark Field is stepping down if he fancies taking on Chuka
I think Chukka has a good chance of taking that seat now. Incumbency is worth several thousand votes, maybe Field can see the writing on the wall...
Indeed, I think Chuka could win it with Labour tactical votes and it is strongly Remain.
If Harrison does not get selected there though he will find in most Tory associations at the moment if they have a choice between a pro Boris and pro Brexit dustman and a diehard Remainer with an Oxbridge PhD and high flying career, they will pick the dustman given their current mood
Rupert isn’t a die hard Remainer (I know him quite well as he chairs a board I sit on)
He comes across as a very orthodox Cameron-syle Eurosceptic on Twitter.
Cameron was not a eurosceptic.
He was and is. Read his memoires. He never really got the EU at all.
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
If Benn wanted it signed by the PM, perhaps he should have written it into law.
Along with the blood type.....
You're right, of course. Johnson has completely outsmarted Benn, who must be feeling comprehensively humiliated now.
And the effect of the Benn Act has been....what? To force a Deal (that Remainers don't want)? They aren't exactly toasting Benn's name in European capitals this weekend.....
It’s done exactly what it was supposed to do - allow a day of triumphant Remoaners to crow on Twitter about Johnson sending the letter.
While the vast majority of Tories and Leavers remain fully behind Boris against those smug, triumphant Remaoners....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
He sent it though. You definitely said he wouldn’t send such a letter.
He didn't, he sent a copy of the Benn Act, the only letter he sent was a signed letter rejecting extension
Casuistry. He surrendered to the Surrender Act so he could get his Surrender Deal through.
He didn't, diehard Remainers have decided he did and are very smug today with how clever they were, Tories and Leavers though are clear he did not so they have achieved precisely zilch!
What is the latest front in the all our war against Diehard Remainers btw?
Has Rupert Harrison got a seat to contest yet? He’s very impressive.
He is a former Osborne SPAD and Brexit sceptic so I doubt it, though he might have a chance in Cities of London and Westminster now Mark Field is stepping down if he fancies taking on Chuka
I think Chukka has a good chance of taking that seat now. Incumbency is worth several thousand votes, maybe Field can see the writing on the wall...
Indeed, I think Chuka could win it with Labour tactical votes and it is strongly Remain.
If Harrison does not get selected there though he will find in most Tory associations at the moment if they have a choice between a pro Boris and pro Brexit dustman and a diehard Remainer with an Oxbridge PhD and high flying career, they will pick the dustman given their current mood
Rupert isn’t a die hard Remainer (I know him quite well as he chairs a board I sit on)
He comes across as a very orthodox Cameron-syle Eurosceptic on Twitter.
Cameron was not a eurosceptic.
He was and is. Read his memoires. He never really got the EU at all.
'Getting' it is not a prerequisite for being an EUphile. I suspect quite the opposite is true.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
He sent it though. You definitely said he wouldn’t send such a letter.
He didn't, he sent a copy of the Benn Act, the only letter he sent was a signed letter rejecting extension
Ceci n’est pas un pipe. @HYUFD getting all surrealist on us.
So what do the EU do if parliament votes for a referendum amendment? Say 'tough, you've got one more week'?
Unless there is appetite to put Jeremy Corbyn in as PM for long enough to deliver it, insisting on a Ref2 means GE. Which as things stand probably means Con majority and back to this Deal.
What other choice is there? Remain has to do something in the next few weeks or leave wins. As Saturday shows, deferring the decision in the hope something will come up is a very viable path for them. Probable defeat tomorrow beats certain defeat today.
Leave won. 17.4m votes said so.
Just a case of Remainers getting past the first stage of grief. They've been stuck in the first stage for a while.
Remain MPs won't get past that first stage until they believe victory is impossible.
They've been getting their own way for nigh on half a century - no wonder it's taking time to adapt.
I thought you were talking about the DUP there - they and their forbears have been getting their way in Northern Ireland since at least the 1600s and arguably the 1100s...
The DUPs forebears only arrived in the 1500s
It was the likes of my family that arrived in the 1100s and we were burnt out in 1923
Well my family can trace themselves back to the 11th century when there was the Welsh-Norman invasion. The family name reflects that.
We weren’t burnt out in 1923. I wonder what the difference between our two families might have been?
(Oh and btw my understanding of constitutional law comes from studying political philosophy during my degree, constitutional law as part of law degree and training for the Bar, my time working as a government lawyer and my work in private practice. Not sure what makes you the classroom monitor on this, mind...... )
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
What will his next move be in the all out war against diehard Remainers? Revoking Article 50 as a tactical retreat?
So what do the EU do if parliament votes for a referendum amendment? Say 'tough, you've got one more week'?
Unless there is appetite to put Jeremy Corbyn in as PM for long enough to deliver it, insisting on a Ref2 means GE. Which as things stand probably means Con majority and back to this Deal.
What other choice is there? Remain has to do something in the next few weeks or leave wins. As Saturday shows, deferring the decision in the hope something will come up is a very viable path for them. Probable defeat tomorrow beats certain defeat today.
Leave won. 17.4m votes said so.
Just a case of Remainers getting past the first stage of grief. They've been stuck in the first stage for a while.
Remain MPs won't get past that first stage until they believe victory is impossible.
They've been getting their own way for nigh on half a century - no wonder it's taking time to adapt.
I thought you were talking about the DUP there - they and their forbears have been getting their way in Northern Ireland since at least the 1600s and arguably the 1100s...
The DUPs forebears only arrived in the 1500s
It was the likes of my family that arrived in the 1100s and we were burnt out in 1923
Well my family can trace themselves back to the 11th century when there was the Welsh-Norman invasion. The family name reflects that.
We weren’t burnt out in 1923. I wonder what the difference between our two families might have been?
We were very well regarded by the local population (check out the Princess of Connemara as an example).
But we were unionists and some people felt that we had no place in their vision of Ireland
So what do the EU do if parliament votes for a referendum amendment? Say 'tough, you've got one more week'?
Unless there is appetite to put Jeremy Corbyn in as PM for long enough to deliver it, insisting on a Ref2 means GE. Which as things stand probably means Con majority and back to this Deal.
What other choice is there? Remain has to do something in the next few weeks or leave wins. As Saturday shows, deferring the decision in the hope something will come up is a very viable path for them. Probable defeat tomorrow beats certain defeat today.
Leave won. 17.4m votes said so.
Just a case of Remainers getting past the first stage of grief. They've been stuck in the first stage for a while.
Remain MPs won't get past that first stage until they believe victory is impossible.
They've been getting their own way for nigh on half a century - no wonder it's taking time to adapt.
I thought you were talking about the DUP there - they and their forbears have been getting their way in Northern Ireland since at least the 1600s and arguably the 1100s...
The DUPs forebears only arrived in the 1500s
It was the likes of my family that arrived in the 1100s and we were burnt out in 1923
Well my family can trace themselves back to the 11th century when there was the Welsh-Norman invasion. The family name reflects that.
We weren’t burnt out in 1923. I wonder what the difference between our two families might have been?
(Oh and btw my understanding of constitutional law comes from studying political philosophy during my degree, constitutional law as part of law degree and training for the Bar, my time working as a government lawyer and my work in private practice. Not sure what makes you the classroom monitor on this, mind...... )
Well you suggested that quoting Hobbes was “constitutional innovation” so I had reasonable grounds for doubt
It is a shame that the Adolf Hitler videos were wasted on Gordon Brown a decade ago. The Boris bunker would have been very funny as he leaves everybody else in the ditch!
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
He sent it though. You definitely said he wouldn’t send such a letter.
He didn't, he sent a copy of the Benn Act, the only letter he sent was a signed letter rejecting extension
Ceci n’est pas un pipe. @HYUFD getting all surrealist on us.
I suppose with Boris sending the letter and not resigning we probably won't be nuking Madrid, seizing the Scottish Lowlands or sub partitioning Northern Ireland either.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
He sent it though. You definitely said he wouldn’t send such a letter.
He didn't, he sent a copy of the Benn Act, the only letter he sent was a signed letter rejecting extension
Ceci n’est pas un pipe. @HYUFD getting all surrealist on us.
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
If Benn wanted it signed by the PM, perhaps he should have written it into law.
Along with the blood type.....
You're right, of course. Johnson has completely outsmarted Benn, who must be feeling comprehensively humiliated now.
And the effect of the Benn Act has been....what? To force a Deal (that Remainers don't want)? They aren't exactly toasting Benn's name in European capitals this weekend.....
It’s done exactly what it was supposed to do - allow a day of triumphant Remoaners to crow on Twitter about Johnson sending the letter.
While the vast majority of Tories and Leavers remain fully behind Boris against those smug, triumphant Remaoners....
Weren’t they a punk band ?
Beat on the brat Beat on the brat Beat on the smug, traitorous, Rermoaner brat with a baseball bat (or Spanish riot police truncheon if available)
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
If Benn wanted it signed by the PM, perhaps he should have written it into law.
Along with the blood type.....
You're right, of course. Johnson has completely outsmarted Benn, who must be feeling comprehensively humiliated now.
And the effect of the Benn Act has been....what? To force a Deal (that Remainers don't want)? They aren't exactly toasting Benn's name in European capitals this weekend.....
It’s done exactly what it was supposed to do - allow a day of triumphant Remoaners to crow on Twitter about Johnson sending the letter.
While the vast majority of Tories and Leavers remain fully behind Boris against those smug, triumphant Remaoners....
Weren’t they a punk band ?
Beat on the brat Beat on the brat Beat on the smug, traitorous, Rermoaner brat with a baseball bat (or Spanish riot police truncheon if available)
What did you think of @malcolmg concession on the last thread that there won’t be Scottish independence for at least 40 years?
F. Scott Fitzgerald once said, ‘ The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.‘
On that basis, Hyufd is rapidly leaving Einstein, Newton and Aquinas trailing in his wake. There is only Aristotle left.
So what do the EU do if parliament votes for a referendum amendment? Say 'tough, you've got one more week'?
Unless there is appetite to put Jeremy Corbyn in as PM for long enough to deliver it, insisting on a Ref2 means GE. Which as things stand probably means Con majority and back to this Deal.
What other choice is there? Remain has to do something in the next few weeks or leave wins. As Saturday shows, deferring the decision in the hope something will come up is a very viable path for them. Probable defeat tomorrow beats certain defeat today.
Leave won. 17.4m votes said so.
Just a case of Remainers getting past the first stage of grief. They've been stuck in the first stage for a while.
Remain MPs won't get past that first stage until they believe victory is impossible.
They've been getting their own way for nigh on half a century - no wonder it's taking time to adapt.
I thought you were talking about the DUP there - they and their forbears have been getting their way in Northern Ireland since at least the 1600s and arguably the 1100s...
The DUPs forebears only arrived in the 1500s
It was the likes of my family that arrived in the 1100s and we were burnt out in 1923
Well my family can trace themselves back to the 11th century when there was the Welsh-Norman invasion. The family name reflects that.
We weren’t burnt out in 1923. I wonder what the difference between our two families might have been?
(Oh and btw my understanding of constitutional law comes from studying political philosophy during my degree, constitutional law as part of law degree and training for the Bar, my time working as a government lawyer and my work in private practice. Not sure what makes you the classroom monitor on this, mind...... )
Well you suggested that quoting Hobbes was “constitutional innovation” so I had reasonable grounds for doubt
Has Hobbes ever been cited in a significant constitutional law case? Genuine question.
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
If Benn wanted it signed by the PM, perhaps he should have written it into law.
Along with the blood type.....
You're right, of course. Johnson has completely outsmarted Benn, who must be feeling comprehensively humiliated now.
And the effect of the Benn Act has been....what? To force a Deal (that Remainers don't want)? They aren't exactly toasting Benn's name in European capitals this weekend.....
It’s done exactly what it was supposed to do - allow a day of triumphant Remoaners to crow on Twitter about Johnson sending the letter.
While the vast majority of Tories and Leavers remain fully behind Boris against those smug, triumphant Remaoners....
Weren’t they a punk band ?
Beat on the brat Beat on the brat Beat on the smug, traitorous, Rermoaner brat with a baseball bat (or Spanish riot police truncheon if available)
What did you think of @malcolmg concession on the last thread that there won’t be Scottish independence for at least 40 years?
So what do the EU do if parliament votes for a referendum amendment? Say 'tough, you've got one more week'?
Unless there is appetite to put Jeremy Corbyn in as PM for long enough to deliver it, insisting on a Ref2 means GE. Which as things stand probably means Con majority and back to this Deal.
What other choice is there? Remain has to do something in the next few weeks or leave wins. As Saturday shows, deferring the decision in the hope something will come up is a very viable path for them. Probable defeat tomorrow beats certain defeat today.
Leave won. 17.4m votes said so.
Just a case of Remainers getting past the first stage of grief. They've been stuck in the first stage for a while.
Remain MPs won't get past that first stage until they believe victory is impossible.
They've been getting their own way for nigh on half a century - no wonder it's taking time to adapt.
I thought you were talking about the DUP there - they and their forbears have been getting their way in Northern Ireland since at least the 1600s and arguably the 1100s...
The DUPs forebears only arrived in the 1500s
It was the likes of my family that arrived in the 1100s and we were burnt out in 1923
Well my family can trace themselves back to the 11th century when there was the Welsh-Norman invasion. The family name reflects that.
We weren’t burnt out in 1923. I wonder what the difference between our two families might have been?
(Oh and btw my understanding of constitutional law comes from studying political philosophy during my degree, constitutional law as part of law degree and training for the Bar, my time working as a government lawyer and my work in private practice. Not sure what makes you the classroom monitor on this, mind...... )
Well you suggested that quoting Hobbes was “constitutional innovation” so I had reasonable grounds for doubt
I think you must be confusing me with someone else. I have not mentioned Hobbes at all in recent posts - in fact I doubt I ever have - whether as a “constitutional innovation” or otherwise.
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
If Benn wanted it signed by the PM, perhaps he should have written it into law.
Along with the blood type.....
You're right, of course. Johnson has completely outsmarted Benn, who must be feeling comprehensively humiliated now.
And the effect of the Benn Act has been....what? To force a Deal (that Remainers don't want)? They aren't exactly toasting Benn's name in European capitals this weekend.....
It’s done exactly what it was supposed to do - allow a day of triumphant Remoaners to crow on Twitter about Johnson sending the letter.
While the vast majority of Tories and Leavers remain fully behind Boris against those smug, triumphant Remaoners....
Weren’t they a punk band ?
Beat on the brat Beat on the brat Beat on the smug, traitorous, Rermoaner brat with a baseball bat (or Spanish riot police truncheon if available)
What did you think of @malcolmg concession on the last thread that there won’t be Scottish independence for at least 40 years?
what bollox, where did I ever say that, it is coming soon t
So what do the EU do if parliament votes for a referendum amendment? Say 'tough, you've got one more week'?
Unless there is appetite to put Jeremy Corbyn in as PM for long enough to deliver it, insisting on a Ref2 means GE. Which as things stand probably means Con majority and back to this Deal.
What other choice is there? Remain has to do something in the next few weeks or leave wins. As Saturday shows, deferring the decision in the hope something will come up is a very viable path for them. Probable defeat tomorrow beats certain defeat today.
Leave won. 17.4m votes said so.
Just a case of Remainers getting past the first stage of grief. They've been stuck in the first stage for a while.
Remain MPs won't get past that first stage until they believe victory is impossible.
They've been getting their own way for nigh on half a century - no wonder it's taking time to adapt.
I thought you were talking about the DUP there - they and their forbears have been getting their way in Northern Ireland since at least the 1600s and arguably the 1100s...
The DUPs forebears only arrived in the 1500s
It was the likes of my family that arrived in the 1100s and we were burnt out in 1923
Well my family can trace themselves back to the 11th century when there was the Welsh-Norman invasion. The family name reflects that.
We weren’t burnt out in 1923. I wonder what the difference between our two families might have been?
We were very well regarded by the local population (check out the Princess of Connemara as an example).
But we were unionists and some people felt that we had no place in their vision of Ireland
“Some people”
You mean the people (the majority of the population) who wanted their independence from a remote overbearing ruler who did not take their interests into account.
F. Scott Fitzgerald once said, ‘ The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.‘
On that basis, Hyufd is rapidly leaving Einstein, Newton and Aquinas trailing in his wake. There is only Aristotle left.
Many of us have elevated HYUFD to that level already. I am putting together a collection of his words to carry with me for inspiration on a daily basis.
F. Scott Fitzgerald once said, ‘ The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.‘
On that basis, Hyufd is rapidly leaving Einstein, Newton and Aquinas trailing in his wake. There is only Aristotle left.
Many of us have elevated HYUFD to that level already. I am putting together a collection of his words to carry with me for inspiration on a daily basis.
I already have an anthology of his choicest posts, printed and sewn into the lining of my coat so I'm never without them. Would a tattoo be taking it too far?
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
He sent it though. You definitely said he wouldn’t send such a letter.
He didn't, he sent a copy of the Benn Act, the only letter he sent was a signed letter rejecting extension
Casuistry. He surrendered to the Surrender Act so he could get his Surrender Deal through.
He didn't, diehard Remainers have decided he did and are very smug today with how clever they were, Tories and Leavers though are clear he did not so they have achieved precisely zilch!
What is the latest front in the all our war against Diehard Remainers btw?
You know that quote about a war fought by lions led by donkeys...
F. Scott Fitzgerald once said, ‘ The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.‘
On that basis, Hyufd is rapidly leaving Einstein, Newton and Aquinas trailing in his wake. There is only Aristotle left.
Many of us have elevated HYUFD to that level already. I am putting together a collection of his words to carry with me for inspiration on a daily basis.
I already have an anthology of his choicest posts, printed and sewn into the lining of my coat so I'm never without them. Would a tattoo be taking it too far?
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
If Benn wanted it signed by the PM, perhaps he should have written it into law.
Along with the blood type.....
You're right, of course. Johnson has completely outsmarted Benn, who must be feeling comprehensively humiliated now.
And the effect of the Benn Act has been....what? To force a Deal (that Remainers don't want)? They aren't exactly toasting Benn's name in European capitals this weekend.....
It’s done exactly what it was supposed to do - allow a day of triumphant Remoaners to crow on Twitter about Johnson sending the letter.
While the vast majority of Tories and Leavers remain fully behind Boris against those smug, triumphant Remaoners....
Weren’t they a punk band ?
Beat on the brat Beat on the brat Beat on the smug, traitorous, Rermoaner brat with a baseball bat (or Spanish riot police truncheon if available)
What did you think of @malcolmg concession on the last thread that there won’t be Scottish independence for at least 40 years?
what bollox, where did I ever say that, it is coming soon t
@charles , where did you see this rubbish Charles, could only happen if someone hacked my id.
You know that quote about a war fought by lions led by donkeys...
Gerard DeGroot, in Blighty, argues mischievously that actually the French general got it the wrong way round. The British officer corps were fond of display, courage, and strength, so they were rather like lions. The British infantry were uncomplaining, hardworking and unimaginative, so they resembled donkeys.
Johnson and Corbyn definitely meet that definition of lions, although especially stupid ones.
How much more of this rubbish do the British people who have been so stoically through all these years have to take?
Noo said: "I already have an anthology of his choicest posts, printed and sewn into the lining of my coat so I'm never without them. Would a tattoo be taking it too far?"
So what do the EU do if parliament votes for a referendum amendment? Say 'tough, you've got one more week'?
Unless there is appetite to put Jeremy Corbyn in as PM for long enough to deliver it, insisting on a Ref2 means GE. Which as things stand probably means Con majority and back to this Deal.
What other choice is there? Remain has to do something in the next few weeks or leave wins. As Saturday shows, deferring the decision in the hope something will come up is a very viable path for them. Probable defeat tomorrow beats certain defeat today.
Leave won. 17.4m votes said so.
Just a case of Remainers getting past the first stage of grief. They've been stuck in the first stage for a while.
Remain MPs won't get past that first stage until they believe victory is impossible.
They've been getting their own way for nigh on half a century - no wonder it's taking time to adapt.
I thought you were talking about the DUP there - they and their forbears have been getting their way in Northern Ireland since at least the 1600s and arguably the 1100s...
The DUPs forebears only arrived in the 1500s
It was the likes of my family that arrived in the 1100s and we were burnt out in 1923
Well my family can trace themselves back to the 11th century when there was the Welsh-Norman invasion. The family name reflects that.
We weren’t burnt out in 1923. I wonder what the difference between our two families might have been?
(Oh and btw my understanding of constitutional law comes from studying political philosophy during my degree, constitutional law as part of law degree and training for the Bar, my time working as a government lawyer and my work in private practice. Not sure what makes you the classroom monitor on this, mind...... )
Well you suggested that quoting Hobbes was “constitutional innovation” so I had reasonable grounds for doubt
I think you must be confusing me with someone else. I have not mentioned Hobbes at all in recent posts - in fact I doubt I ever have - whether as a “constitutional innovation” or otherwise.
Isn’t accurate citation of some importance in law ?
I think the order paper might not have been updated . Mogg came out with the MV5 vote very late in the day and if it had been pulled wouldn’t other sources confirm this .
You know that quote about a war fought by lions led by donkeys...
Gerard DeGroot, in Blighty, argues mischievously that actually the French general got it the wrong way round. The British officer corps were fond of display, courage, and strength, so they were rather like lions. The British infantry were uncomplaining, hardworking and unimaginative, so they resembled donkeys.
Johnson and Corbyn definitely meet that definition of lions, although especially stupid ones.
How much more of this rubbish do the British people who have been so stoically through all these years have to take?
Boris is one of those small dogs that yaps at you from behind a fence. But open the gate and it runs away.... then keeps yapping at you from a distance. Corbyn is less a lion and more an exceptionally grumpy old tom cat, with no teeth and blunt claws. He used to be a bit daring, but nowadays is too slow.
There are no lions. Or maybe Joanna Cherry at a pinch.
I think the order paper might not have been updated . Mogg came out with the MV5 vote very late in the day and if it had been pulled wouldn’t other sources confirm this .
I can’t see the Speaker humouring the government. It looks like a big strategic mistake of the government not pressing the vote on Saturday.
In my Danish newspaper today Brexit has a story on the front page - another chance to try and explain what, for Danes, is the comic structure of parliament and the bizarre problem of the inability of the UK to actually make a decision. This has come as a real surprise to Danes I know (family, friends, co-workers), and shaken their notion that the British and Danish are basically the same type of people.
Not a single opinion piece about brexit though - Denmark has moved on, brexit is done and now it is about a new package of workers' rights and the EU budget. On the radio today an exasperated politico said that the EU had already revisited a deal twice and spent too much time on the problem - seriously remainers, if the discourse in Denmark is that enough is enough don't bank on a long extension for things like referendums - I don't think remainer politicians and activists in the UK really get how fed up the other countries are with the UK.
This is not helped by the continuous assumption by remainer groups that debating the deal, changing it and extending the timescale is up to the UK and the EU don't want to be blamed for brexit and so will give an extension - no sane person will blame the EU for anything that results in a no-deal brexit - that is 100% on parliament.
You know that quote about a war fought by lions led by donkeys...
Gerard DeGroot, in Blighty, argues mischievously that actually the French general got it the wrong way round. The British officer corps were fond of display, courage, and strength, so they were rather like lions. The British infantry were uncomplaining, hardworking and unimaginative, so they resembled donkeys.
Johnson and Corbyn definitely meet that definition of lions, although especially stupid ones.
How much more of this rubbish do the British people who have been so stoically through all these years have to take?
Boris is one of those small dogs that yaps at you from behind a fence. But open the gate and it runs away.... then keeps yapping at you from a distance. Corbyn is less a lion and more an exceptionally grumpy old tom cat, with no teeth and blunt claws. He used to be a bit daring, but nowadays is too slow.
There are no lions. Or maybe Joanna Cherry at a pinch.
Are you suggesting she is the mane event in the House right now?
No player has ever undergone this type of hip surgery and come back and won a singles title.
Truly inspirational .
It strongly suggests that his prior career was significantly hampered by his dodgy hip (which would also do much to explain his at times somewhat grumpy demeanour).
There will eventually be a reckoning and these 650 politicians embarrassing our country will be done away with.
Not a single MP has come out with any credit from this process. They have all been different shades of diabolical.
I completely disagree with this. MPs generally have wrestled well and honestly with the decisions they faced. They have fairly reflected the divisions in the country.
The executive, however, has since the 2017 election been a complete disgrace.
There will eventually be a reckoning and these 650 politicians embarrassing our country will be done away with.
Not a single MP has come out with any credit from this process. They have all been different shades of diabolical.
I completely disagree with this. MPs generally have wrestled well and honestly with the decisions they faced. They have fairly reflected the divisions in the country.
The executive, however, has since the 2017 election been a complete disgrace.
+1 MPs are correct to probe and question the merits of a deal. You would not venture into many contracts in life with the notion "lets get it done and work the detail out later". Often you hear stupid people on the TV articulate that view, the world does not work like that! As always I blame the Brexit supporting media for propagating misinformation and making Brexiteers impatient. They always go on about winning the 2016 vote but fail to understand that those who are not in agreement with their stupidity get dragged down with them....
I have sent emails to three Labour MPs re-earlier discussion. Interested to see whether I receive a reply.
You can't be serious.
If he is serious, having just checked out the discussion in question he’ll be pretty damn lucky if the reply doesn’t involve a summons for a breach of section 27.1 of the Malicious Communications Act.
In my Danish newspaper today Brexit has a story on the front page - another chance to try and explain what, for Danes, is the comic structure of parliament and the bizarre problem of the inability of the UK to actually make a decision. This has come as a real surprise to Danes I know (family, friends, co-workers), and shaken their notion that the British and Danish are basically the same type of people.
Not a single opinion piece about brexit though - Denmark has moved on, brexit is done and now it is about a new package of workers' rights and the EU budget. On the radio today an exasperated politico said that the EU had already revisited a deal twice and spent too much time on the problem - seriously remainers, if the discourse in Denmark is that enough is enough don't bank on a long extension for things like referendums - I don't think remainer politicians and activists in the UK really get how fed up the other countries are with the UK.
This is not helped by the continuous assumption by remainer groups that debating the deal, changing it and extending the timescale is up to the UK and the EU don't want to be blamed for brexit and so will give an extension - no sane person will blame the EU for anything that results in a no-deal brexit - that is 100% on parliament.
There will eventually be a reckoning and these 650 politicians embarrassing our country will be done away with.
Not a single MP has come out with any credit from this process. They have all been different shades of diabolical.
I completely disagree with this. MPs generally have wrestled well and honestly with the decisions they faced. They have fairly reflected the divisions in the country.
The executive, however, has since the 2017 election been a complete disgrace.
One of the most peculiar mental tics of nationalist supporters I've noticed is the complaint that broadcasters, commentators, and the general (English) public enthusiastically claim successful Scottish sportspeople as "British" when they're winning and disown them as "Scottish" when they lose. I have literally never seen an instance of anything so absurdly crass happening, but nevertheless I hear it often, from a variety of sources. Never an example given though. Gotta keep that burning resentment alive somehow I suppose.
There will eventually be a reckoning and these 650 politicians embarrassing our country will be done away with.
Not a single MP has come out with any credit from this process. They have all been different shades of diabolical.
I completely disagree with this. MPs generally have wrestled well and honestly with the decisions they faced. They have fairly reflected the divisions in the country.
The executive, however, has since the 2017 election been a complete disgrace.
+1 MPs are correct to probe and question the merits of a deal. You would not venture into many contracts in life with the notion "lets get it done and work the detail out later". Often you hear stupid people on the TV articulate that view, the world does not work like that! As always I blame the Brexit supporting media for propagating misinformation and making Brexiteers impatient. They always go on about winning the 2016 vote but fail to understand that those who are not in agreement with their stupidity get dragged down with them....
Doesn't that last sentence apply to every general election? It doesn't seem to have stopped Governments from getting on with their own agendas in the past.
One of the most peculiar mental tics of nationalist supporters I've noticed is the complaint that broadcasters, commentators, and the general (English) public enthusiastically claim successful Scottish sportspeople as "British" when they're winning and disown them as "Scottish" when they lose. I have literally never seen an instance of anything so absurdly crass happening, but nevertheless I hear it often, from a variety of sources. Gotta keep that burning resentment alive somehow I suppose.
Oh bless, did you think I was a nationalist? You really are the unplugged lamp of this forum aren't you?
One of the most peculiar mental tics of nationalist supporters I've noticed is the complaint that broadcasters, commentators, and the general (English) public enthusiastically claim successful Scottish sportspeople as "British" when they're winning and disown them as "Scottish" when they lose. I have literally never seen an instance of anything so absurdly crass happening, but nevertheless I hear it often, from a variety of sources. Never an example given though. Gotta keep that burning resentment alive somehow I suppose.
Someone did a study that supports you. I will see if I can google it out,
There will eventually be a reckoning and these 650 politicians embarrassing our country will be done away with.
Not a single MP has come out with any credit from this process. They have all been different shades of diabolical.
I completely disagree with this. MPs generally have wrestled well and honestly with the decisions they faced. They have fairly reflected the divisions in the country.
The executive, however, has since the 2017 election been a complete disgrace.
When a decision put to a referendum has been made, you're not supposed to fairly reflect the divisions of the country. You're supposed to abide by the outcome.
One of the most peculiar mental tics of nationalist supporters I've noticed is the complaint that broadcasters, commentators, and the general (English) public enthusiastically claim successful Scottish sportspeople as "British" when they're winning and disown them as "Scottish" when they lose. I have literally never seen an instance of anything so absurdly crass happening, but nevertheless I hear it often, from a variety of sources. Never an example given though. Gotta keep that burning resentment alive somehow I suppose.
There will eventually be a reckoning and these 650 politicians embarrassing our country will be done away with.
Not a single MP has come out with any credit from this process. They have all been different shades of diabolical.
I completely disagree with this. MPs generally have wrestled well and honestly with the decisions they faced. They have fairly reflected the divisions in the country.
Bit like sausages - process unpleasant but result can be satisfactory.
A code I adopted with the quantity surveyor on a project - when all I wanted to know was whether the outcome was satisfactory and could be spared the grisly details "Sausages" was all that was required....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
He sent it though. You definitely said he wouldn’t send such a letter.
He didn't, he sent a copy of the Benn Act, the only letter he sent was a signed letter rejecting extension
Casuistry. He surrendered to the Surrender Act so he could get his Surrender Deal through.
He didn't, diehard Remainers have decided he did and are very smug today with how clever they were, Tories and Leavers though are clear he did not so they have achieved precisely zilch!
What is the latest front in the all our war against Diehard Remainers btw?
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This is what constitutes Breaking News (!) in the Beeb's eyes.
Boris Broadcasting Corporation?
First time he’s hesitated to go ahead with blatant graft...
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/19/trump-says-his-doral-resort-will-no-longer-host-g7-summit-000292
We weren’t burnt out in 1923. I wonder what the difference between our two families might have been?
(Oh and btw my understanding of constitutional law comes from studying political philosophy during my degree, constitutional law as part of law degree and training for the Bar, my time working as a government lawyer and my work in private practice. Not sure what makes you the classroom monitor on this, mind...... )
But we were unionists and some people felt that we had no place in their vision of Ireland
There was probably diagrams.
I imagine some shouted loudly "this is the standard example of an impeachable offence" at least 4 times.
Beat on the brat
Beat on the smug, traitorous, Rermoaner brat with a baseball bat (or Spanish riot police truncheon if available)
... it makes sense in an Irish context ..,
On that basis, Hyufd is rapidly leaving Einstein, Newton and Aquinas trailing in his wake. There is only Aristotle left.
First Class - Delivered within a day
Second Class - delivered within a week
Political class - never delivered at all because they can’t agree which address to send it to.
https://twitter.com/bbctennis/status/1185958786160320512?s=20
You mean the people (the majority of the population) who wanted their independence from a remote overbearing ruler who did not take their interests into account.
Those people?
😏
Would a tattoo be taking it too far?
https://twitter.com/number10leaks/status/1185963267392524288?s=21
No player has ever undergone this type of hip surgery and come back and won a singles title.
Truly inspirational .
Johnson and Corbyn definitely meet that definition of lions, although especially stupid ones.
How much more of this rubbish do the British people who have been so stoically through all these years have to take?
You could get some imprinted on a loo roll
Corbyn is less a lion and more an exceptionally grumpy old tom cat, with no teeth and blunt claws. He used to be a bit daring, but nowadays is too slow.
There are no lions. Or maybe Joanna Cherry at a pinch.
Not a single opinion piece about brexit though - Denmark has moved on, brexit is done and now it is about a new package of workers' rights and the EU budget. On the radio today an exasperated politico said that the EU had already revisited a deal twice and spent too much time on the problem - seriously remainers, if the discourse in Denmark is that enough is enough don't bank on a long extension for things like referendums - I don't think remainer politicians and activists in the UK really get how fed up the other countries are with the UK.
This is not helped by the continuous assumption by remainer groups that debating the deal, changing it and extending the timescale is up to the UK and the EU don't want to be blamed for brexit and so will give an extension - no sane person will blame the EU for anything that results in a no-deal brexit - that is 100% on parliament.
A tremendous player.
Another ‘nailed on’ SPOTY.... ?
Not a single MP has come out with any credit from this process. They have all been different shades of diabolical.
I completely disagree with this. MPs generally have wrestled well and honestly with the decisions they faced. They have fairly reflected the divisions in the country.
The executive, however, has since the 2017 election been a complete disgrace.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1185964854605242368
According to him, Remain protesters are a better class of protester compared to Leave protesters apparantly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-34909845
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/09/britain-politics-chaotic-constitution-working/597340/
Bit like sausages - process unpleasant but result can be satisfactory.
A code I adopted with the quantity surveyor on a project - when all I wanted to know was whether the outcome was satisfactory and could be spared the grisly details "Sausages" was all that was required....