The key was Boris did not sign his photocopy of the Benn Act sent to the EU, he only signed his letter saying the government did not agree with Parliaments request for extension, which should be enough to reassure Tory and Brexit Party waverers
It wasn’t a photocopy. It turns out that was a lie.
The key was Boris did not sign his photocopy of the Benn Act sent to the EU, he only signed his letter saying the government did not agree with Parliaments request for extension, which should be enough to reassure Tory and Brexit Party waverers
It wasn’t a photocopy. It turns out that was a lie.
Meanwhile we are still in the EU with complete freedom of movement and have a million unemployed workers.....
Who won’t do that work, while the workers that would won’t come to the UK any more because they feel unwelcome. I suppose Brexit Britain could always resort to forced labour of the unemployed but that doesn’t seem to be the kind of “take back control” we were promised.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
What intrusive checks are there that enforce the very distinctive abortion laws in NI?
WTF has that got to do with anything? Thankfully young women who have to cross the Irish Sea are not checked for signs of pregnancy going out and coming back. However English, Welsh or Scottish farmers who want to ship anything out to NI are very likely to be subject to photosanitary checks. The undemocratic, secret, Joint Committee will determine "at risk" goods, highly likely to include livestock, where checks are required. People, on the otherhand, will not be checked in order to preserve the CTA.
numbertwelve said: "The Benn act was predicated on the assumption that the renegotiation would fail and we’d be casting around frantically now for whatever extension the EU would bestow to avoid a crash out. Because Boris actually brought a deal home, he’s upset the apple cart a bit and the law looks a bit pithy now."
The Benn Act being triggered has heightened the prospect of remain MPs, particularly Labour MPs who are desperate for any "Tory deal" to be avoided, dicking around with amendments next week.
These shenanigans will be designed to put off the likes of ERG MPs from voting in favour. Assuming EU grant the extension (they will) this comfort blanket means that these MPs need not fear No Deal.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
So what do the EU do if parliament votes for a referendum amendment? Say 'tough, you've got one more week'?
Unless there is appetite to put Jeremy Corbyn in as PM for long enough to deliver it, insisting on a Ref2 means GE. Which as things stand probably means Con majority and back to this Deal.
What other choice is there? Remain has to do something in the next few weeks or leave wins. As Saturday shows, deferring the decision in the hope something will come up is a very viable path for them. Probable defeat tomorrow beats certain defeat today.
Leave won. 17.4m votes said so.
Just a case of Remainers getting past the first stage of grief. They've been stuck in the first stage for a while.
Leave lost even more so as they are not getting what was promised. Leavers are getting a deal with gives the CJEU a say in the United Kingdom's internal market, internal customs controls within the UK, a border that will be policed by a secret committee half appointed by the EU. I didn't read any of that in the Leave manifesto.
Describing it as a “secret committee” is just shit stirring
It’s a committee appointed by the government and the EU
It is not "shit stirring". Decisions of the Joint Committee will be legally binding at lest until the end of transition (which it will be able to extend) and yet there is no requirement to publish them. The default position (see Rule 10) is that their meetings will be confidential aka secret. So we have a law making body meeting in secret. It's therefore a secret committee. And yet Brexiteers trumpet this abject agreement as some form of victory?
All government committees dealing in market sensitive matters sit in camera. It is entirely normal.
In any event, a “committee sitting in secret” is not the same as “a secret committee”
You are a lawyer, I believe, so should understand the difference
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is gaslighting on some word of the day calendar which has been circulated or something? It seems to be cropping up a lot in the last week or two.
As for this issue, Boris was undoubtedly childish, and that should be pointed out, but harping on about him complying with the law as childishly as possible just seems pointless. The photocopying line is such a needless lie to make, but does anyone really care that they retyped it rather than photocopied it?
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
Unfortunately, I think the Customs Union amendment passing is unlikely. The Lib Dems and a few ultra-Remain Labour MPs (David Lammy, etc.) are going to start squawking about how they won't dirty their hands by voting for any form of Brexit, and thus they'll end up with their worst scenario because of their refusal to compromise.
My guess is the deal goes through, unamended, but a bit after the 31st Oct, and after the extension has kicked in. And we don't get an election for atleast another year.
We are closer to the brink now , and that might make the LDs and Change UK more flexible than last Spring.
I'm watching carefully to see if Swinson reverses position on temporarily supporting Corbyn, that would be key.
Why would she, he still wouldn't have the numbers?
So what do the EU do if parliament votes for a referendum amendment? Say 'tough, you've got one more week'?
Unless there is appetite to put Jeremy Corbyn in as PM for long enough to deliver it, insisting on a Ref2 means GE. Which as things stand probably means Con majority and back to this Deal.
What other choice is there? Remain has to do something in the next few weeks or leave wins. As Saturday shows, deferring the decision in the hope something will come up is a very viable path for them. Probable defeat tomorrow beats certain defeat today.
Leave won. 17.4m votes said so.
Just a case of Remainers getting past the first stage of grief. They've been stuck in the first stage for a while.
Leave lost even more so as they are not getting what was promised. Leavers are getting a deal with gives the CJEU a say in the United Kingdom's internal market, internal customs controls within the UK, a border that will be policed by a secret committee half appointed by the EU. I didn't read any of that in the Leave manifesto.
Describing it as a “secret committee” is just shit stirring
It’s a committee appointed by the government and the EU
It is not "shit stirring". Decisions of the Joint Committee will be legally binding at lest until the end of transition (which it will be able to extend) and yet there is no requirement to publish them. The default position (see Rule 10) is that their meetings will be confidential aka secret. So we have a law making body meeting in secret. It's therefore a secret committee. And yet Brexiteers trumpet this abject agreement as some form of victory?
In any event, a “committee sitting in secret” is not the same as “a secret committee”
That's definitely true. And people know the difference, so misusing it is usually quite deliberate and for political reasons. Crops up in bodies large and small with private meetings.
IIRC when he was on Who Do You Think You Are? it turned out he was descended from George I which means he can trace his line back to William the Conqueror.
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
Weird. I can't believe the Telegraph 'journalists' actually believe the stuff they spout about Boris Johnson but nor can I believe that its hoary, world-weary, sceptical readership would particularly enjoy it. So what gives?
The Telegraph is secretly an entirely satirical publication, whose writers don’t want to tell anyone, as it would spoil the joke.
The Matt cartoon is a brilliant piece of misdirection.
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is gaslighting on some word of the day calendar which has been circulated or something? It seems to be cropping up a lot in the last week or two.
As for this issue, Boris was undoubtedly childish, and that should be pointed out, but harping on about him complying with the law as childishly as possible just seems pointless. The photocopying line is such a needless lie to make, but does anyone really care that they retyped it rather than photocopied it?
I don't care about that, but I do care that several prominent journalists helped spin the line that he'd sent an "cheap old photocopy" in order to "stick two fingers up at the Benn Act".
Unfortunately, I think the Customs Union amendment passing is unlikely. The Lib Dems and a few ultra-Remain Labour MPs (David Lammy, etc.) are going to start squawking about how they won't dirty their hands by voting for any form of Brexit, and thus they'll end up with their worst scenario because of their refusal to compromise.
My guess is the deal goes through, unamended, but a bit after the 31st Oct, and after the extension has kicked in. And we don't get an election for atleast another year.
We are closer to the brink now , and that might make the LDs and Change UK more flexible than last Spring.
I'm watching carefully to see if Swinson reverses position on temporarily supporting Corbyn, that would be key.
Why would she, he still wouldn't have the numbers?
If Remain is to have a chance they need to unite this week and next, and that will mean several people who previously refused to contemplate certain actions will, like Boris Johnson at an EU summit, have to reconsider that position.
I think enough will back an amendment to require a referendum, but I don't think enough will back an alternative government to actually make it happen, which in due course will precipitate a GE. EIther way, the EU will give a nice long extension to give time to resolve it.
IIRC when he was on Who Do You Think You Are? it turned out he was descended from George I which means he can trace his line back to William the Conqueror.
Which which would make Beau Brummell’s remark about the Prince Regent doubly applicable.
Yes - Boles will find another reason to say no even if, one would assume, the government says that is not being planned. Any number of crazy ideas will have been mooted, and some of them will be true or Boles will say he cannot risk it.
This is why it will be so hard to get the legislation through - many, even now, are in support of a deal or even the deal in principle, but something in the detail, or potential future actions, will cross a personal line for them.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
So what do the EU do if parliament votes for a referendum amendment? Say 'tough, you've got one more week'?
Unless there is appetite to put Jeremy Corbyn in as PM for long enough to deliver it, insisting on a Ref2 means GE. Which as things stand probably means Con majority and back to this Deal.
What other choice is there? Remain has to do something in the next few weeks or leave wins. As Saturday shows, deferring the decision in the hope something will come up is a very viable path for them. Probable defeat tomorrow beats certain defeat today.
Leave won. 17.4m votes said so.
Just a case of Remainers getting past the first stage of grief. They've been stuck in the first stage for a while.
Leave lost even more so as they are not getting what was promised. Leavers are getting a deal with gives the CJEU a say in the United Kingdom's internal market, internal customs controls within the UK, a border that will be policed by a secret committee half appointed by the EU. I didn't read any of that in the Leave manifesto.
Describing it as a “secret committee” is just shit stirring
It’s a committee appointed by the government and the EU
It is not "shit stirring". Decisions of the Joint Committee will be legally binding at lest until the end of transition (which it will be able to extend) and yet there is no requirement to publish them. The default position (see Rule 10) is that their meetings will be confidential aka secret. So we have a law making body meeting in secret. It's therefore a secret committee. And yet Brexiteers trumpet this abject agreement as some form of victory?
In any event, a “committee sitting in secret” is not the same as “a secret committee”
That's definitely true. And people know the difference, so misusing it is usually quite deliberate and for political reasons. Crops up in bodies large and small with private meetings.
Most committees don’t make laws. This one will. And it will meet in secret. You see nothing wrong with that?
Has Rupert Harrison got a seat to contest yet? He’s very impressive.
He is a former Osborne SPAD and Brexit sceptic so I doubt it, though he might have a chance in Cities of London and Westminster now Mark Field is stepping down if he fancies taking on Chuka
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
This is not a legally binding document. Signature doesn’t matter.
What I believe is it is distraction. As with prorogation and other stuff, Boris has created something go for Remainers to focus in which is completely and utterly irrelevant
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
So what do the EU do if parliament votes for a referendum amendment? Say 'tough, you've got one more week'?
Unless there is appetite to put Jeremy Corbyn in as PM for long enough to deliver it, insisting on a Ref2 means GE. Which as things stand probably means Con majority and back to this Deal.
What other choice is there? Remain has to do something in the next few weeks or leave wins. As Saturday shows, deferring the decision in the hope something will come up is a very viable path for them. Probable defeat tomorrow beats certain defeat today.
Leave won. 17.4m votes said so.
Just a case of Remainers getting past the first stage of grief. They've been stuck in the first stage for a while.
Leave lost even more so as they are not getting what was promised. Leavers are getting a deal with gives the CJEU a say in the United Kingdom's internal market, internal customs controls within the UK, a border that will be policed by a secret committee half appointed by the EU. I didn't read any of that in the Leave manifesto.
Describing it as a “secret committee” is just shit stirring
It’s a committee appointed by the government and the EU
It is not "shit stirring". Decisions of the Joint Committee will be legally binding at lest until the end of transition (which it will be able to extend) and yet there is no requirement to publish them. The default position (see Rule 10) is that their meetings will be confidential aka secret. So we have a law making body meeting in secret. It's therefore a secret committee. And yet Brexiteers trumpet this abject agreement as some form of victory?
In any event, a “committee sitting in secret” is not the same as “a secret committee”
That's definitely true. And people know the difference, so misusing it is usually quite deliberate and for political reasons. Crops up in bodies large and small with private meetings.
Most committees don’t make laws. This one will. And it will meet in secret. You see nothing wrong with that?
Many decision making bodies meet and make decisions in part in confidential sessions. I'd have issues with whether or not that is appropriate in particular circumstances, including this one given the significance, but what I won't do is pretend that the principle of a body meeting or deciding something not in public is inherently unreasonable.
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
If Benn wanted it signed by the PM, perhaps he should have written it into law.
Has Rupert Harrison got a seat to contest yet? He’s very impressive.
He is a former Osborne SPAD and Brexit sceptic so I doubt it, though he might have a chance in Cities of London and Westminster now Mark Field is stepping down if he fancies taking on Chuka
I think Chukka has a good chance of taking that seat now. Incumbency is worth several thousand votes, maybe Field can see the writing on the wall...
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is gaslighting on some word of the day calendar which has been circulated or something? It seems to be cropping up a lot in the last week or two.
As for this issue, Boris was undoubtedly childish, and that should be pointed out, but harping on about him complying with the law as childishly as possible just seems pointless. The photocopying line is such a needless lie to make, but does anyone really care that they retyped it rather than photocopied it?
I don't care about that, but I do care that several prominent journalists helped spin the line that he'd sent an "cheap old photocopy" in order to "stick two fingers up at the Benn Act".
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is gaslighting on some word of the day calendar which has been circulated or something? It seems to be cropping up a lot in the last week or two.
If you haven't seen the original (British, much shorter and very much superior) version its worth hunting out. When MGM bought the rights they tried to have the original negatives destroyed - but failed. While the Cukor/Bergman version is fine, it lacks the wit, darkness and economy of the original movie version:
The key was Boris did not sign his photocopy of the Benn Act sent to the EU, he only signed his letter saying the government did not agree with Parliaments request for extension, which should be enough to reassure Tory and Brexit Party waverers
Then they’re even more stupid than I thought they were. Which is really quite stupid.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
Now that Letwin has once again shit on his own party from a great height, the Boris Deal will probably fail as individual MPs peel off. Then what? The Queen Speech fails? The Budget fails? And the cowardly opposition keeps blocking an election so that the Government can't govern but at least they won't lose their seats?
How can anyone be in favour of this mind-numbing paralysis? If you map the WW2 timeline onto Brexit, we're now in something like January of 1943.
Unfortunately, I think the Customs Union amendment passing is unlikely. The Lib Dems and a few ultra-Remain Labour MPs (David Lammy, etc.) are going to start squawking about how they won't dirty their hands by voting for any form of Brexit, and thus they'll end up with their worst scenario because of their refusal to compromise.
My guess is the deal goes through, unamended, but a bit after the 31st Oct, and after the extension has kicked in. And we don't get an election for atleast another year.
We are closer to the brink now , and that might make the LDs and Change UK more flexible than last Spring.
I'm watching carefully to see if Swinson reverses position on temporarily supporting Corbyn, that would be key.
Why would she, he still wouldn't have the numbers?
If Remain is to have a chance they need to unite this week and next, and that will mean several people who previously refused to contemplate certain actions will, like Boris Johnson at an EU summit, have to reconsider that position.
I think enough will back an amendment to require a referendum, but I don't think enough will back an alternative government to actually make it happen, which in due course will precipitate a GE. EIther way, the EU will give a nice long extension to give time to resolve it.
While I do not share your confidence about a referendum you are spot on with your argument this HOC could never get it past all the hurdles. A GE is the obvious next step and that would receive an extension
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
You appreciate that it makes him look like a knob?
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
If Benn wanted it signed by the PM, perhaps he should have written it into law.
Along with the blood type.....
You're right, of course. Johnson has completely outsmarted Benn, who must be feeling comprehensively humiliated now.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
The EU is in no doubt what the executive of the UK Govt. thinks of the letter!
They should check for the message in invisible ink on the copy they get...!!!
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
What will his next move be in the all out war against diehard Remainers? Revoking Article 50 as a tactical retreat?
Has Rupert Harrison got a seat to contest yet? He’s very impressive.
He is a former Osborne SPAD and Brexit sceptic so I doubt it, though he might have a chance in Cities of London and Westminster now Mark Field is stepping down if he fancies taking on Chuka
I think Chukka has a good chance of taking that seat now. Incumbency is worth several thousand votes, maybe Field can see the writing on the wall...
Indeed, I think Chuka could win it with Labour tactical votes and it is strongly Remain.
If Harrison does not get selected there though he will find in most Tory associations at the moment if they have a choice between a pro Boris and pro Brexit dustman and a diehard Remainer with an Oxbridge PhD and high flying career, they will pick the dustman given their current mood
Now that Letwin has once again shit on his own party from a great height, the Boris Deal will probably fail as individual MPs peel off. Then what? The Queen Speech fails? The Budget fails? And the cowardly opposition keeps blocking an election so that the Government can't govern but at least they won't lose their seats?
How can anyone be in favour of this mind-numbing paralysis? If you map the WW2 timeline onto Brexit, we're now in something like January of 1943.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
Now that Letwin has once again shit on his own party from a great height, the Boris Deal will probably fail as individual MPs peel off. Then what? The Queen Speech fails? The Budget fails? And the cowardly opposition keeps blocking an election so that the Government can't govern but at least they won't lose their seats?
How can anyone be in favour of this mind-numbing paralysis? If you map the WW2 timeline onto Brexit, we're now in something like January of 1943.
Vote Leave committed only to being out of the EU by May 2020. In their own words: “There is no need to rush. We must take our time and get it right.” Why the impatience?
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is gaslighting on some word of the day calendar which has been circulated or something? It seems to be cropping up a lot in the last week or two.
If you haven't seen the original (British, much shorter and very much superior) version its worth hunting out. When MGM bought the rights they tried to have the original negatives destroyed - but failed. While the Cukor/Bergman version is fine, it lacks the wit, darkness and economy of the original movie version:
Has Rupert Harrison got a seat to contest yet? He’s very impressive.
He is a former Osborne SPAD and Brexit sceptic so I doubt it, though he might have a chance in Cities of London and Westminster now Mark Field is stepping down if he fancies taking on Chuka
I think Chukka has a good chance of taking that seat now. Incumbency is worth several thousand votes, maybe Field can see the writing on the wall...
Indeed, I think Chuka could win it with Labour tactical votes and it is strongly Remain.
If Harrison does not get selected there though he will find in most Tory associations at the moment if they have a choice between a pro Boris and pro Brexit dustman and a diehard Remainer with an Oxbridge PhD and high flying career, they will pick the dustman given their current mood
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
You appreciate that it makes him look like a knob?
It was childish but too much is being made of it by remainers
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
He sent it though. You definitely said he wouldn’t send such a letter.
Now that Letwin has once again shit on his own party from a great height, the Boris Deal will probably fail as individual MPs peel off.
The threat for the govt isn't really losing support - they're 15/16 MPS ahead on the declared count now - it's the amendments. Make it unpalatable for the ERG and the whole thing falls.
Now that Letwin has once again shit on his own party from a great height, the Boris Deal will probably fail as individual MPs peel off. Then what? The Queen Speech fails? The Budget fails? And the cowardly opposition keeps blocking an election so that the Government can't govern but at least they won't lose their seats?
How can anyone be in favour of this mind-numbing paralysis? If you map the WW2 timeline onto Brexit, we're now in something like January of 1943.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
What, you're claiming you predicted he would send it but not sign it?
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
So what? He sent it, Tusk has accepted it, he’s lied again.
Yes - Boles will find another reason to say no even if, one would assume, the government says that is not being planned. Any number of crazy ideas will have been mooted, and some of them will be true or Boles will say he cannot risk it.
This is why it will be so hard to get the legislation through - many, even now, are in support of a deal or even the deal in principle, but something in the detail, or potential future actions, will cross a personal line for them.
Cummings needs to told to keep his trap shut for the next three days. No doubt this idea is one of his.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
You appreciate that it makes him look like a knob?
It was childish but too much is being made of it by remainers
Yes - Boles will find another reason to say no even if, one would assume, the government says that is not being planned. Any number of crazy ideas will have been mooted, and some of them will be true or Boles will say he cannot risk it.
This is why it will be so hard to get the legislation through - many, even now, are in support of a deal or even the deal in principle, but something in the detail, or potential future actions, will cross a personal line for them.
Cummings needs to told to keep his trap shut for the next three days. No doubt this idea is one of his.
It's not I'd wager, more likely to be Bridgen or Jenykns. The Gov't won't touch it with a bargepole. Baker might even have a word.
Has Rupert Harrison got a seat to contest yet? He’s very impressive.
He is a former Osborne SPAD and Brexit sceptic so I doubt it, though he might have a chance in Cities of London and Westminster now Mark Field is stepping down if he fancies taking on Chuka
I think Chukka has a good chance of taking that seat now. Incumbency is worth several thousand votes, maybe Field can see the writing on the wall...
Very unlikely. Odds on Tory hold there. Ummuna more likely to come third.
Has Rupert Harrison got a seat to contest yet? He’s very impressive.
He is a former Osborne SPAD and Brexit sceptic so I doubt it, though he might have a chance in Cities of London and Westminster now Mark Field is stepping down if he fancies taking on Chuka
I think Chukka has a good chance of taking that seat now. Incumbency is worth several thousand votes, maybe Field can see the writing on the wall...
Indeed, I think Chuka could win it with Labour tactical votes and it is strongly Remain.
If Harrison does not get selected there though he will find in most Tory associations at the moment if they have a choice between a pro Boris and pro Brexit dustman and a diehard Remainer with an Oxbridge PhD and high flying career, they will pick the dustman given their current mood
Rupert isn’t a die hard Remainer (I know him quite well as he chairs a board I sit on)
Has Rupert Harrison got a seat to contest yet? He’s very impressive.
He is a former Osborne SPAD and Brexit sceptic so I doubt it, though he might have a chance in Cities of London and Westminster now Mark Field is stepping down if he fancies taking on Chuka
I think Chukka has a good chance of taking that seat now. Incumbency is worth several thousand votes, maybe Field can see the writing on the wall...
Indeed, I think Chuka could win it with Labour tactical votes and it is strongly Remain.
If Harrison does not get selected there though he will find in most Tory associations at the moment if they have a choice between a pro Boris and pro Brexit dustman and a diehard Remainer with an Oxbridge PhD and high flying career, they will pick the dustman given their current mood
Rupert isn’t a die hard Remainer (I know him quite well as he chairs a board I sit on)
He comes across as a very orthodox Cameron-syle Eurosceptic on Twitter.
People bemoaning Boris being childish in not signing the letter when de facto it is still valid - remember that it is the hard leave extremist constituency he is seeking to impress with such juvenile behaviour.
Cf Trump base. These people are not ultra sophisticated.
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
If Benn wanted it signed by the PM, perhaps he should have written it into law.
Along with the blood type.....
You're right, of course. Johnson has completely outsmarted Benn, who must be feeling comprehensively humiliated now.
And the effect of the Benn Act has been....what? To force a Deal (that Remainers don't want)? They aren't exactly toasting Benn's name in European capitals this weekend.....
Mr. B, originally, Leclerc and Hamilton were equal favourites (I forget the price, maybe 3.25) with Vettel and Verstappen 4.5 or so.
I always forget who the high altitude/low air pressure benefits so I'll check that before putting money anywhere.
Traditionally been good for Red Bull here. The altitude means that the cars look like they’re running at Monaco, but they go as fast as they do at Monza.
How likely is the Government's Programme Motion on the WAIB to be approved? If that falls - with DUP support - the Bill will probably take a few weeks to get through both Houses.
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
If Benn wanted it signed by the PM, perhaps he should have written it into law.
Along with the blood type.....
You're right, of course. Johnson has completely outsmarted Benn, who must be feeling comprehensively humiliated now.
And the effect of the Benn Act has been....what? To force a Deal (that Remainers don't want)? They aren't exactly toasting Benn's name in European capitals this weekend.....
It’s done exactly what it was supposed to do - allow a day of triumphant Remoaners to crow on Twitter about Johnson sending the letter.
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
You appreciate that it makes him look like a knob?
It was childish but too much is being made of it by remainers
Correct x2
I think it was deliberate distraction and it’s working.
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
If Benn wanted it signed by the PM, perhaps he should have written it into law.
Along with the blood type.....
You're right, of course. Johnson has completely outsmarted Benn, who must be feeling comprehensively humiliated now.
And the effect of the Benn Act has been....what? To force a Deal (that Remainers don't want)? They aren't exactly toasting Benn's name in European capitals this weekend.....
It’s done exactly what it was supposed to do - allow a day of triumphant Remoaners to crow on Twitter about Johnson sending the letter.
While the vast majority of Tories and Leavers remain fully behind Boris against those smug, triumphant Remaoners anyway
Has Rupert Harrison got a seat to contest yet? He’s very impressive.
He is a former Osborne SPAD and Brexit sceptic so I doubt it, though he might have a chance in Cities of London and Westminster now Mark Field is stepping down if he fancies taking on Chuka
I think Chukka has a good chance of taking that seat now. Incumbency is worth several thousand votes, maybe Field can see the writing on the wall...
Indeed, I think Chuka could win it with Labour tactical votes and it is strongly Remain.
If Harrison does not get selected there though he will find in most Tory associations at the moment if they have a choice between a pro Boris and pro Brexit dustman and a diehard Remainer with an Oxbridge PhD and high flying career, they will pick the dustman given their current mood
Rupert isn’t a die hard Remainer (I know him quite well as he chairs a board I sit on)
He comes across as a very orthodox Cameron-syle Eurosceptic on Twitter.
Pretty much. Sees the near term risk and the long term opportunity
Boris was childish but so is this nonsense coming from remainers. The letter was served, Tusk has received it, and is actioning it
Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
You are gaslighting, Big G. It's not childish to point out that Number 10 childishly lied about the manner in which the letter was served.
Is an unsigned letter worth anything? Would you take an unsigned cheque or agree to work to an unsigned contract?
Except it wasn't an unsigned check or contract, it was a letter provided by the UK official representative on behalf of the Prime Minister setting out the position of the UK Parliament. It seemed to satisfy them.
If Benn wanted it signed by the PM, perhaps he should have written it into law.
Along with the blood type.....
You're right, of course. Johnson has completely outsmarted Benn, who must be feeling comprehensively humiliated now.
And the effect of the Benn Act has been....what? To force a Deal (that Remainers don't want)? They aren't exactly toasting Benn's name in European capitals this weekend.....
To force an extension so that any Brexit proposal is fully scrutinised and amended as nessecary.
It is our Sovereign Parliament taking back control...
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
He sent it though. You definitely said he wouldn’t send such a letter.
He didn't, he sent a copy of the Benn Act, the only letter he sent was a signed letter rejecting extension
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
What will his next move be in the all out war against diehard Remainers? Revoking Article 50 as a tactical retreat?
Has Rupert Harrison got a seat to contest yet? He’s very impressive.
He is a former Osborne SPAD and Brexit sceptic so I doubt it, though he might have a chance in Cities of London and Westminster now Mark Field is stepping down if he fancies taking on Chuka
I think Chukka has a good chance of taking that seat now. Incumbency is worth several thousand votes, maybe Field can see the writing on the wall...
Indeed, I think Chuka could win it with Labour tactical votes and it is strongly Remain.
If Harrison does not get selected there though he will find in most Tory associations at the moment if they have a choice between a pro Boris and pro Brexit dustman and a diehard Remainer with an Oxbridge PhD and high flying career, they will pick the dustman given their current mood
Rupert isn’t a die hard Remainer (I know him quite well as he chairs a board I sit on)
Will take your word for it then and wish him good luck finding a seat
I suspect Mr Powell is mistaken - the DUP are in the "Do [you] feel lucky? Do you punk?" territory....
Powell is wrong, No Deal and a hard border in Ireland would have made Scottish independence and a united Ireland more likely, the Boris Deal does not
The Boris deal introduces detailed and intrusive customs checks between two parts of the UK. If the Boris deal works, and those checks are seamless, then introducing such checks between Eng and Sco becomes a lot less scary and Scots Independence more likely. If they don't work...
The only polls giving Yes a majority in Scotland are in a No Deal scenario, avoid No Deal and it becomes less likely, though of course Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway
Polls are not static. They react to circumstances. And you're making a very big assumption in saying that Boris will be in a position to block anything.
Of course he will and the DUP will still vote with the Tories to block any indyref2 even if they vote with the opposition against the Boris Deal
You've spent a week in NI and think you understand the DUP? You know nothing.
I understand they put the Union above all else and their supporters heritage is mostly Presbyterian Scottish and linked to the Orange Lodges of Glasgow etc
What do you think about BJ sending the letter?
I appreciate his signed letter sent opposing the extension, attached to his unsigned copy of the Benn Act
I thought you said he would not do it! He has left you high and dry...
He did not sign it no, he only signed his letter rejecting extension
He sent it though. You definitely said he wouldn’t send such a letter.
He didn't, he sent a copy of the Benn Act, the only letter he sent was a signed letter rejecting extension
Casuistry. He surrendered to the Surrender Act so he could get his Surrender Deal through.
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Time remainers acted like grown ups as well
Remainers have only had "nur-nur na nur-nur" mode for over three years.....
Motes and beams, motes and beams...
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1185926838884937729?s=20
were promised.
The Benn Act being triggered has heightened the prospect of remain MPs, particularly Labour MPs who are desperate for any "Tory deal" to be avoided, dicking around with amendments next week.
These shenanigans will be designed to put off the likes of ERG MPs from voting in favour. Assuming EU grant the extension (they will) this comfort blanket means that these MPs need not fear No Deal.
And huge numbers of pensioners who have the experience from their youth. It’s a disgrace that they aren’t digging for victory.
In any event, a “committee sitting in secret” is not the same as “a secret committee”
You are a lawyer, I believe, so should understand the difference
As for this issue, Boris was undoubtedly childish, and that should be pointed out, but harping on about him complying with the law as childishly as possible just seems pointless. The photocopying line is such a needless lie to make, but does anyone really care that they retyped it rather than photocopied it?
What else do you want
The Matt cartoon is a brilliant piece of misdirection.
I think enough will back an amendment to require a referendum, but I don't think enough will back an alternative government to actually make it happen, which in due course will precipitate a GE. EIther way, the EU will give a nice long extension to give time to resolve it.
https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1185858388237934593
This is why it will be so hard to get the legislation through - many, even now, are in support of a deal or even the deal in principle, but something in the detail, or potential future actions, will cross a personal line for them.
What I believe is it is distraction. As with prorogation and other stuff, Boris has created something go for Remainers to focus in which is completely and utterly irrelevant
Along with the blood type.....
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/films-you-have-to-see-gaslight-1940-0djnk8zgt7r
I do wonder whether when Johnson makes a promise in the future that this will be used against him.
What I don't understand is what Johnson gained by pretending he had some way of not complying with the Benn Act?
How can anyone be in favour of this mind-numbing paralysis? If you map the WW2 timeline onto Brexit, we're now in something like January of 1943.
F**************************************************************ck!
They should check for the message in invisible ink on the copy they get...!!!
If Harrison does not get selected there though he will find in most Tory associations at the moment if they have a choice between a pro Boris and pro Brexit dustman and a diehard Remainer with an Oxbridge PhD and high flying career, they will pick the dustman given their current mood
Well worth 84 minutes of anyone's time (a full half an hour shorter than the Hollywood version)!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYmtzaHwCKo
The threat for the govt isn't really losing support - they're 15/16 MPS ahead on the declared count now - it's the amendments. Make it unpalatable for the ERG and the whole thing falls.
It needs to calm down
I think the Mercs might struggle there.
Cf Trump base. These people are not ultra sophisticated.
I always forget who the high altitude/low air pressure benefits so I'll check that before putting money anywhere.
On that basis, backing Vettel might be wise. He's outperformed Leclerc at the last couple of races.
Unless they push the envelope
It is our Sovereign Parliament taking back control...