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MPs approve Letwin amendment to the Brexit deal
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First!0
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#SuperSaturday more like #SupineSaturday0
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He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday, he clings to office for his benefit and not ours..HYUFD said:0 -
Get him in courtHYUFD said:0 -
As the motion has passed (albeit amended) I think this satisfies Benn Act and therefore he no longer needs to send letter. Is this correct?0
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Would have been a government majority of 4 with the DUP.0
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You'll get your chance in a GE. Go for it!The_Taxman said:
He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.HYUFD said:
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The people who back the constant jiggery pokery to prevent the result of the referendum being implemented, will recoil in horror in years to come when they recall their idiocy1
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No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.The_Taxman said:
He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.HYUFD said:
Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!1 -
Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.
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Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.HYUFD said:0 -
Its like Sky Sports claims of a super Sunday when the matches are Newcastle vs Brighton and Sheffield United vs Southampton.JBriskinindyref2 said:#SuperSaturday more like #SupineSaturday
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No.Stocky said:As the motion has passed (albeit amended) I think this satisfies Benn Act and therefore he no longer needs to send letter. Is this correct?
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That's the hope - get bogged down in the details and see if there is a majority for each and every aspect that will be looked at in the legislation.Zephyr said:Is there a school of thought this is a mistake by Boris, his best chance of winning it today, momentum will move against it in coming days not for it!
But he can no longer win today, the vote is meaningless, so he has limited options. Going home now would be just silly though, there is a momentum aspect as you say.0 -
To what end?Gallowgate said:
Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.HYUFD said:
This is bollocks now, just get it done0 -
So all the stuff about just wanting to avoid No Deal was bullshit. After months of demanding a deal, they finally get one and they still keep us in the EU. It is astonishing contempt for the public. The next General Election should rightfully end careers.1
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We will get it done. Once the legislation has been reviewed properly.Floater said:
To what end?Gallowgate said:
Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.HYUFD said:
This is bollocks now, just get it done0 -
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.0 -
Boris had fine momentum the last few days, the deal called bad by people who would have voted for it today, he could lose momentum in coming days not gain it.
There’s dangers in delay, EU may start talking about back up options if it isn’t passed, that could give remainers wind in their sails, Farage and DUP have more time to work the betrayal theme, the deal will undergo further scrutiny especially by business leaders.
Also it seems rather odd leadership to not fight once marching everyone up the hill promising big vote. Does it not?0 -
No. If that were so there'd have been no point to the amendment, which was explicitly to ensure he did have to send the letter, just in case the legislation took longer to get through than by the end of the month.Stocky said:As the motion has passed (albeit amended) I think this satisfies Benn Act and therefore he no longer needs to send letter. Is this correct?
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You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.0 -
fpt
As I understand it if the legislation passes next week the bill can come back and we're out.Philip_Thompson said:
Presumably all 306 are for the deal? It doesn't sound like anyone voted No were against the deal?HYUFD said:Ayes 322 Noes 306
Letwin passes
In which case 9 who voted for Letwin need to vote for the deal to pass the deal surely? It sounds like there were at least 9 who voted for Letwin who said they would vote for the deal?
The complication is the letter and the EU's response.
Unless.... He says to the EU hold off on the decision until after next week and next week the deal passes.0 -
LOL at Cherry response0
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Ahem. What was I saying on the previous thread?
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/11855544913718599680 -
2.9 on the December election. Anyone think that’s not a dead cert now?0
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It is when most stood on a platform on getting Brexit done.Gallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.0 -
"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."0
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yawn - this is just a stitch up and you know it.Gallowgate said:
We will get it done. Once the legislation has been reviewed properly.Floater said:
To what end?Gallowgate said:
Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.HYUFD said:
This is bollocks now, just get it done
I wonder if they will be laughing come the next election0 -
Has the main motion passed ?0
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It is when there was a democratic vote for it. MPs have shown they care about the EU more than democracy. Despicable people.Gallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.0 -
Not at any cost by an arbitrary deadline.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is when most stood on a platform on getting Brexit done.Gallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.
This is the equivalent of getting with ANYONE in the club at 3am because you’re lonely and drunk.0 -
So would you support the EU rejecting the dated extension request and countering that we only need a month?Gallowgate said:
We will get it done. Once the legislation has been reviewed properly.Floater said:
To what end?Gallowgate said:
Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.HYUFD said:
This is bollocks now, just get it done0 -
Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck thatGallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.0 -
What is there for him to fight over today? The motion he put forward has been amended and passed, that's what they were there for today.Zephyr said:Boris had fine momentum the last few days, the deal called bad by people who would have voted for it today, he could lose momentum in coming days not gain it.
There’s dangers in delay, EU may start talking about back up options if it isn’t passed, that could give remainers wind in their sails, Farage and DUP have more time to work the betrayal theme, the deal will undergo further scrutiny especially by business leaders.
Also it seems rather odd leadership to not fight once marching everyone up the hill promising big vote. Does it not?0 -
I don’t really care to be honest.kle4 said:
So would you support the EU rejecting the dated extension request and countering that we only need a month?Gallowgate said:
We will get it done. Once the legislation has been reviewed properly.Floater said:
To what end?Gallowgate said:
Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.HYUFD said:
This is bollocks now, just get it done0 -
Is that Matt Western, my MP, reading the result?0
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I trust Brexiteers will be outraged at the EU trying to strong arm parliament.Richard_Nabavi said:Ahem. What was I saying on the previous thread?
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/11855544913718599680 -
From the publics point of view they have had 3.5 years....it is like they have been going to the same club week in week out, every time anybody has approached them they have said no thanks to every single one...Gallowgate said:
Not at any cost by an arbitrary deadline.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is when most stood on a platform on getting Brexit done.Gallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.
This is the equivalent of getting with ANYONE in the club at 3am because you’re lonely and drunk.0 -
I think it passed amended on the nod.Pulpstar said:Has the main motion passed ?
No-one has a clue what's going on other than that.0 -
Get yer pen out JesterGallowgate said:
No.Stocky said:As the motion has passed (albeit amended) I think this satisfies Benn Act and therefore he no longer needs to send letter. Is this correct?
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You say that like it's a bad thing.Gallowgate said:
Not at any cost by an arbitrary deadline.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is when most stood on a platform on getting Brexit done.Gallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.
This is the equivalent of getting with ANYONE in the club at 3am because you’re lonely and drunk.0 -
It's not, but at some point I'd like them to confirm they do want a referendum, or a GE, not just what they don't want. Otherwise we end up against a deadline every few months.Gallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.0 -
You don’t speak for the public. Neither does the Conservative Party.Floater said:
Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck thatGallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.0 -
Floater says: "I wonder if they will be laughing come the next election"
2022 is a long time away and electorate is fickle, so who knows? Given that I don`t believe VONC will be tabled, what other mechanism is there for a GE?
What would happen if Boris resigns?0 -
Here we go again...HYUFD said:
No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.The_Taxman said:
He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.HYUFD said:
Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!
I would just point out that you've got the lads from the Shankhill lined up against you, so I think staying inside the democratic process might be prudent.0 -
I said this deal would go down by about 20.
Very close to what has happened.0 -
Joanna Cherry asking if Bercow would sign the letter if the Scottish court case suggested it0
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This "Public" is a myth.Floater said:
Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck thatGallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.
There are TWO PUBLICS in Britain over Brexit. The polls show a country split down the middle, with some 5 or 6 % movement to remain over the last three years.
I don't usually resort to capitalisation, but this abuse of language is getting tiresome.1 -
I think it also reflects the furthest point that the EU would go to. They have made serious compromises on what they once claimed was the integrity of the SM to offer this deal. They could go no further.kle4 said:
If Boris could have made any changes to the WA which kept the DUP on board I'm sure he would have. As it was the only changes he could come up with to justify getting the ERG on board was too much for them.AndyJS said:Would have been a government majority of 4 with the DUP.
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The numbers are there for a deal now, there's no reason for the EU to grant anything other than a technical extension.0
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That will help win people overHYUFD said:
No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.The_Taxman said:
He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.HYUFD said:
Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!
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Did he not notice the substantive motion being passed by acclamation?Andrew said:0 -
Maybe not when we see the specifics of the Withdrawal Agreement Bill.Artist said:The numbers are there for a deal now, there's no reason for the EU to grant anything other than a technical extension.
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Well you clearly do, since you were just insistent that 'we will get it done. Once the legislation has been reviewed properly'. Given your view that it will be done once that happens, how can you not have a view about how long is needed to do that?Gallowgate said:
I don’t really care to be honest.kle4 said:
So would you support the EU rejecting the dated extension request and countering that we only need a month?Gallowgate said:
We will get it done. Once the legislation has been reviewed properly.Floater said:
To what end?Gallowgate said:
Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.HYUFD said:
This is bollocks now, just get it done
The EU are not mindreaders - while I'm confident they will grant an extension regardless, without knowing reason for that extension they won't know how long to offer us one, since January 2020 might be plenty of time or might not be enough.0 -
Sandpit: "2.9 on the December election. Anyone think that’s not a dead cert now?"
Please can you please explain the mechanism to get a GE? Where`is it coming from?0 -
IIUC the EP only has a few more days left in the session? It could just pass the deal itself and keep the pressure on the UK, but if it fails to do that then it quickly becomes Extension vs No Deal again.Richard_Nabavi said:Ahem. What was I saying on the previous thread?
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1185554491371859968
I wonder if MEPs will be as enthusiastic about yakety-sax ratification as the national leaders.0 -
MPs back on their 'make the bad man love the extension as much as me mummy' crybaby act
Delightful.
They are not going to enjoy the electoral backlash0 -
Abstentions:
Spelman, Leigh (Con); Milton (Ind Con I assume)
Onn, Cooper, Champion, Twigg (Labour)
Lab Noes: Barron, Flint, Mann, Fitzpatrick, Hoey, Campbell
Tory Ayes: 11 remainers0 -
Do we know who abstained? Looks like 7 of em.
nvm, found it: https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/Divisions/Details/721#notrecorded
(Champion, Cooper, Onn, Twigg / Leigh, Milton, Spelman)0 -
Yeah but only one of your 'two publics' won a referendum in 2016.WhisperingOracle said:
This "Public" is a myth.Floater said:
Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck thatGallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.
There are TWO PUBLICS in Britain over Brexit. The polls show a country split down the middle, with some 5 or 6 % movement to remain over the last three years.
I don't usually resort to capitalisation, but this abuse of language is getting tiresome.0 -
And what?KentRising said:
Yeah but only one of your 'two publics' won a referendum in 2016.WhisperingOracle said:
This "Public" is a myth.Floater said:
Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck thatGallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.
There are TWO PUBLICS in Britain over Brexit. The polls show a country split down the middle, with some 5 or 6 % movement to remain over the last three years.
I don't usually resort to capitalisation, but this abuse of language is getting tiresome.0 -
Just to clarify this as I see it.
The Benn Act said Boris must write a letter requesting an extension if Parliament had not approved a Deal by today.
This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal
Therefore the Benn Act falls. The terms under which it would have had legal force (no deal agreed by Parliament by today) no longer exist.
Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.0 -
At law, the PM now has to write a letter asking for an extension so that Parliament can debate and pass the old WA together with changes to the old political declaration to reflect the old inter-party talks.
Imagine having the twenty-somethingth week of gilet jaune to deal with and that complete bullshit lands on your desk.0 -
The idea of "the public", as invoked by Brexiters, is not solely the electorate who won the referendum.KentRising said:
Yeah but only one of your 'two publics' won a referendum in 2016.WhisperingOracle said:
This "Public" is a myth.Floater said:
Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck thatGallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.
There are TWO PUBLICS in Britain over Brexit. The polls show a country split down the middle, with some 5 or 6 % movement to remain over the last three years.
I don't usually resort to capitalisation, but this abuse of language is getting tiresome.1 -
Well you’re wrong unfortunately.Richard_Tyndall said:Just to clarify this as I see it.
The Benn Act said Boris must write a letter requesting an extension if Parliament had not approved a Deal by today.
This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal
Therefore the Benn Act falls. The terms under which it would have had legal force (no deal agreed by Parliament by today) no longer exist.
Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.0 -
It's the last stand for remainers - is whatever is in the WAIB enough to put off the ex-cons and labour rebels who have stated they would have voted for the deal?Gallowgate said:
Maybe not when we see the specifics of the Withdrawal Agreement Bill.Artist said:The numbers are there for a deal now, there's no reason for the EU to grant anything other than a technical extension.
Uncertain, but the numbers seem to have only been very tightly in favour for Boris at best, so it will be a lot of work for him to keep everyone on side.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhBgPEdWeKMFloater said:
To what end?Gallowgate said:
Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.HYUFD said:
This is bollocks now, just get it done
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Diehard Remainers have thrown Leavers under the bus and refused a compromise, there is no winning people over now, it is all out civil war until Brexit is deliveredbigjohnowls said:
That will help win people overHYUFD said:
No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.The_Taxman said:
He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.HYUFD said:
Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!0 -
Thanks Richard_Tyndall, that`s how I understood it but I was shot down.0
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BBC talking heads now predicting the Labour leavers will back down and the legislation will go down0
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20 something weeks....its nearly as year now.Drutt said:At law, the PM now has to write a letter asking for an extension so that Parliament can debate and pass the old WA together with changes to the old political declaration to reflect the old inter-party talks.
Imagine having the twenty-somethingth week of gilet jaune to deal with and that complete bullshit lands on your desk.0 -
Kind of hope we leave with No Deal now.1
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Good. Quickest route to Schengen and the Euro.isam said:Kind of hope we leave with No Deal now.
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I listened to a member of the public this afternoon on TV who thought Brexit would be good for jobs and bring back manufacturing! This is the second time i have heard this. The first time was a women on the day of the referundum. It flies in the face of common sense and economic reality. MPs are protecting the niave and less able to understand the economic implications of no deal, a bad deal or the best deal which is staying within the EU.Floater said:
Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck thatGallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.0 -
No, parliament didn't approve a deal. In fact it voted for a motion which (as amended) specifically states that it didn't. The letter has to be sent, and I think will be, and the real debate happens next Tuesday before the EU have given an answer.Richard_Tyndall said:Just to clarify this as I see it.
The Benn Act said Boris must write a letter requesting an extension if Parliament had not approved a Deal by today.
This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal
Therefore the Benn Act falls. The terms under which it would have had legal force (no deal agreed by Parliament by today) no longer exist.
Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.0 -
Letwin rendered today's Meaningful Vote .... meaningless. The bill next week essentially becomes the MV.Richard_Tyndall said:t.
Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.
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I wonder if Boris regrets polarising the debate a few weeks ago. It was too late to play the statesman.0
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So just to check are you in a state of all out war with me? I for the purposes of this discussion consider myself to be a diehard remainer.HYUFD said:
No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.The_Taxman said:
He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.HYUFD said:
Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!0 -
No. The motion approved had to be a motion meeting the criteria of (from memory) s 13 of the European Withdrawal Act 2018. As amended this motion did not meet that criteria. The condition is therefore not met. So he has to write the letter.Richard_Tyndall said:Just to clarify this as I see it.
The Benn Act said Boris must write a letter requesting an extension if Parliament had not approved a Deal by today.
This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal
Therefore the Benn Act falls. The terms under which it would have had legal force (no deal agreed by Parliament by today) no longer exist.
Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.0 -
Why? No good saying I am wrong without showing why. I thought people were saying the main Motion gad already passed. If that is thd case then I am not wrong.Gallowgate said:
Well you’re wrong unfortunately.Richard_Tyndall said:Just to clarify this as I see it.
The Benn Act said Boris must write a letter requesting an extension if Parliament had not approved a Deal by today.
This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal
Therefore the Benn Act falls. The terms under which it would have had legal force (no deal agreed by Parliament by today) no longer exist.
Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.0 -
And that is where you are wrong. Boris seems to have been quite clear that a chance for a MV has been missed, and without a MV no approval has occurred.Richard_Tyndall said:
This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal
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Yeah those bloody diehard remainers.HYUFD said:
Diehard Remainers have thrown Leavers under the bus and refused a compromise, there is no winning people over now, it is all out civil war until Brexit is deliveredbigjohnowls said:
That will help win people overHYUFD said:
No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.The_Taxman said:
He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.HYUFD said:
Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!
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Yes.SouthamObserver said:Is that Matt Western, my MP, reading the result?
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I think you have finally lost itHYUFD said:
No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.The_Taxman said:
He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.HYUFD said:
Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!1 -
So where's the constitutional, procedural experts when we need them?
Can Boris send a letter or not send a letter, then pass the legislation required for the deal and then the deal before October 31st in whcih case can the EU, letter or no letter, hold off until it all passes at which point the letter becomes moot?0 -
Does it sound like he’s winning? 😆bigjohnowls said:
That will help win people overHYUFD said:
No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.The_Taxman said:
He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.HYUFD said:
Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!
Brexit won’t win another plebiscite if held in next year. Boris deal would lose in a plebiscite v revoke.
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Because the motion (once amended) didn’t say that it approved the deal. It said it reserved judgement.Richard_Tyndall said:
Why? No good saying I am wrong without showing why. I thought people were saying the main Motion gad already passed. If that is thd case then I am not wrong.Gallowgate said:
Well you’re wrong unfortunately.Richard_Tyndall said:Just to clarify this as I see it.
The Benn Act said Boris must write a letter requesting an extension if Parliament had not approved a Deal by today.
This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal
Therefore the Benn Act falls. The terms under which it would have had legal force (no deal agreed by Parliament by today) no longer exist.
Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.0 -
Mr. Tyndall/Mr. Stocky, interesting suggestion.0
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Let's see which one would win now.KentRising said:
Yeah but only one of your 'two publics' won a referendum in 2016.WhisperingOracle said:
This "Public" is a myth.Floater said:
Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck thatGallowgate said:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.Floater said:
They dont want Brexit - plain and simpleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.
They chose neither.
This is a contemptible Parliament.
They don't want no deal.
They don't want a deal.
They don't want the PM.
They don't want a vote of no confidence.
They don't want an election.
There are TWO PUBLICS in Britain over Brexit. The polls show a country split down the middle, with some 5 or 6 % movement to remain over the last three years.
I don't usually resort to capitalisation, but this abuse of language is getting tiresome.
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Who decides which order new Peers get invested? Because the government is going to need Mann's vote all the way through.0
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What are the rules of engagement?TOPPING said:
So just to check are you in a state of all out war with me? I for the purposes of this discussion consider myself to be a diehard remainer.HYUFD said:
No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.The_Taxman said:
He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.HYUFD said:
Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!0
