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MPs approve Letwin amendment to the Brexit deal

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  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    First!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,078
    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    #SuperSaturday more like #SupineSaturday
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited October 2019
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday, he clings to office for his benefit and not ours..
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,965
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    Get him in court
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,338
    As the motion has passed (albeit amended) I think this satisfies Benn Act and therefore he no longer needs to send letter. Is this correct?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Would have been a government majority of 4 with the DUP.
  • XtrainXtrain Posts: 341
    The_Taxman said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.
    You'll get your chance in a GE. Go for it!
  • isamisam Posts: 42,256
    The people who back the constant jiggery pokery to prevent the result of the referendum being implemented, will recoil in horror in years to come when they recall their idiocy
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,078
    edited October 2019
    The_Taxman said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.
    No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.

    Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,760
    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,749
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,975
    edited October 2019
    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    #SuperSaturday more like #SupineSaturday

    Its like Sky Sports claims of a super Sunday when the matches are Newcastle vs Brighton and Sheffield United vs Southampton.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,749
    edited October 2019
    Stocky said:

    As the motion has passed (albeit amended) I think this satisfies Benn Act and therefore he no longer needs to send letter. Is this correct?

    No.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    Zephyr said:

    Is there a school of thought this is a mistake by Boris, his best chance of winning it today, momentum will move against it in coming days not for it!

    That's the hope - get bogged down in the details and see if there is a majority for each and every aspect that will be looked at in the legislation.

    But he can no longer win today, the vote is meaningless, so he has limited options. Going home now would be just silly though, there is a momentum aspect as you say.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Gallowgate said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.
    To what end?

    This is bollocks now, just get it done
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    So all the stuff about just wanting to avoid No Deal was bullshit. After months of demanding a deal, they finally get one and they still keep us in the EU. It is astonishing contempt for the public. The next General Election should rightfully end careers.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,749
    Floater said:

    Gallowgate said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.
    To what end?

    This is bollocks now, just get it done
    We will get it done. Once the legislation has been reviewed properly.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
  • ZephyrZephyr Posts: 438
    Boris had fine momentum the last few days, the deal called bad by people who would have voted for it today, he could lose momentum in coming days not gain it.

    There’s dangers in delay, EU may start talking about back up options if it isn’t passed, that could give remainers wind in their sails, Farage and DUP have more time to work the betrayal theme, the deal will undergo further scrutiny especially by business leaders.

    Also it seems rather odd leadership to not fight once marching everyone up the hill promising big vote. Does it not?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    Stocky said:

    As the motion has passed (albeit amended) I think this satisfies Benn Act and therefore he no longer needs to send letter. Is this correct?

    No. If that were so there'd have been no point to the amendment, which was explicitly to ensure he did have to send the letter, just in case the legislation took longer to get through than by the end of the month.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,749
    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,070
    fpt
    Philip_Thompson said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ayes 322 Noes 306

    Letwin passes

    Presumably all 306 are for the deal? It doesn't sound like anyone voted No were against the deal?

    In which case 9 who voted for Letwin need to vote for the deal to pass the deal surely? It sounds like there were at least 9 who voted for Letwin who said they would vote for the deal?
    As I understand it if the legislation passes next week the bill can come back and we're out.

    The complication is the letter and the EU's response.

    Unless.... He says to the EU hold off on the decision until after next week and next week the deal passes.
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    LOL at Cherry response
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Ahem. What was I saying on the previous thread?

    https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1185554491371859968
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,077
    2.9 on the December election. Anyone think that’s not a dead cert now?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,975
    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    It is when most stood on a platform on getting Brexit done.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    AndyJS said:

    Would have been a government majority of 4 with the DUP.

    If Boris could have made any changes to the WA which kept the DUP on board I'm sure he would have. As it was the only changes he could come up with to justify getting the ERG on board was too much for them.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Gallowgate said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.
    To what end?

    This is bollocks now, just get it done
    We will get it done. Once the legislation has been reviewed properly.
    yawn - this is just a stitch up and you know it.

    I wonder if they will be laughing come the next election
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,849
    Has the main motion passed ?
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    It is when there was a democratic vote for it. MPs have shown they care about the EU more than democracy. Despicable people.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,749
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    It is when most stood on a platform on getting Brexit done.
    Not at any cost by an arbitrary deadline.

    This is the equivalent of getting with ANYONE in the club at 3am because you’re lonely and drunk.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Gallowgate said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.
    To what end?

    This is bollocks now, just get it done
    We will get it done. Once the legislation has been reviewed properly.
    So would you support the EU rejecting the dated extension request and countering that we only need a month?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck that
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185557214846767105
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Zephyr said:

    Boris had fine momentum the last few days, the deal called bad by people who would have voted for it today, he could lose momentum in coming days not gain it.

    There’s dangers in delay, EU may start talking about back up options if it isn’t passed, that could give remainers wind in their sails, Farage and DUP have more time to work the betrayal theme, the deal will undergo further scrutiny especially by business leaders.

    Also it seems rather odd leadership to not fight once marching everyone up the hill promising big vote. Does it not?

    What is there for him to fight over today? The motion he put forward has been amended and passed, that's what they were there for today.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,077
    Pulpstar said:

    Has the main motion passed ?

    It went through on the nod, with no division.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,749
    kle4 said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Gallowgate said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.
    To what end?

    This is bollocks now, just get it done
    We will get it done. Once the legislation has been reviewed properly.
    So would you support the EU rejecting the dated extension request and countering that we only need a month?
    I don’t really care to be honest.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Is that Matt Western, my MP, reading the result?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Ahem. What was I saying on the previous thread?

    https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1185554491371859968

    I trust Brexiteers will be outraged at the EU trying to strong arm parliament.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,975
    edited October 2019
    Gallowgate said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    It is when most stood on a platform on getting Brexit done.
    Not at any cost by an arbitrary deadline.

    This is the equivalent of getting with ANYONE in the club at 3am because you’re lonely and drunk.
    From the publics point of view they have had 3.5 years....it is like they have been going to the same club week in week out, every time anybody has approached them they have said no thanks to every single one...
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    Pulpstar said:

    Has the main motion passed ?

    I think it passed amended on the nod.

    No-one has a clue what's going on other than that.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,965
    Gallowgate said:

    Stocky said:

    As the motion has passed (albeit amended) I think this satisfies Benn Act and therefore he no longer needs to send letter. Is this correct?

    No.
    Get yer pen out Jester
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,686
    Gallowgate said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    It is when most stood on a platform on getting Brexit done.
    Not at any cost by an arbitrary deadline.

    This is the equivalent of getting with ANYONE in the club at 3am because you’re lonely and drunk.
    You say that like it's a bad thing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    It's not, but at some point I'd like them to confirm they do want a referendum, or a GE, not just what they don't want. Otherwise we end up against a deadline every few months.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,749
    Floater said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck that
    You don’t speak for the public. Neither does the Conservative Party.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,338
    edited October 2019
    Floater says: "I wonder if they will be laughing come the next election"

    2022 is a long time away and electorate is fickle, so who knows? Given that I don`t believe VONC will be tabled, what other mechanism is there for a GE?

    What would happen if Boris resigns?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,184
    HYUFD said:

    The_Taxman said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.
    No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.

    Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!
    Here we go again...

    I would just point out that you've got the lads from the Shankhill lined up against you, so I think staying inside the democratic process might be prudent.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,423
    I said this deal would go down by about 20.

    Very close to what has happened.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,059
    Joanna Cherry asking if Bercow would sign the letter if the Scottish court case suggested it
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,525
    edited October 2019
    Floater said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck that
    This "Public" is a myth.

    There are TWO PUBLICS in Britain over Brexit. The polls show a country split down the middle, with some 5 or 6 % movement to remain over the last three years.

    I don't usually resort to capitalisation, but this abuse of language is getting tiresome.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,979
    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Would have been a government majority of 4 with the DUP.

    If Boris could have made any changes to the WA which kept the DUP on board I'm sure he would have. As it was the only changes he could come up with to justify getting the ERG on board was too much for them.
    I think it also reflects the furthest point that the EU would go to. They have made serious compromises on what they once claimed was the integrity of the SM to offer this deal. They could go no further.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited October 2019
    The numbers are there for a deal now, there's no reason for the EU to grant anything other than a technical extension.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,965
    HYUFD said:

    The_Taxman said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.
    No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.

    Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!
    That will help win people over

  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Andrew said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185557214846767105

    Did he not notice the substantive motion being passed by acclamation?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,749
    Artist said:

    The numbers are there for a deal now, there's no reason for the EU to grant anything other than a technical extension.

    Maybe not when we see the specifics of the Withdrawal Agreement Bill.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    Gallowgate said:

    kle4 said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Gallowgate said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.
    To what end?

    This is bollocks now, just get it done
    We will get it done. Once the legislation has been reviewed properly.
    So would you support the EU rejecting the dated extension request and countering that we only need a month?
    I don’t really care to be honest.
    Well you clearly do, since you were just insistent that 'we will get it done. Once the legislation has been reviewed properly'. Given your view that it will be done once that happens, how can you not have a view about how long is needed to do that?

    The EU are not mindreaders - while I'm confident they will grant an extension regardless, without knowing reason for that extension they won't know how long to offer us one, since January 2020 might be plenty of time or might not be enough.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,338
    Sandpit: "2.9 on the December election. Anyone think that’s not a dead cert now?"

    Please can you please explain the mechanism to get a GE? Where`is it coming from?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,748
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Ahem. What was I saying on the previous thread?

    https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1185554491371859968

    IIUC the EP only has a few more days left in the session? It could just pass the deal itself and keep the pressure on the UK, but if it fails to do that then it quickly becomes Extension vs No Deal again.

    I wonder if MEPs will be as enthusiastic about yakety-sax ratification as the national leaders.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    MPs back on their 'make the bad man love the extension as much as me mummy' crybaby act
    Delightful.
    They are not going to enjoy the electoral backlash
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,849
    Abstentions:
    Spelman, Leigh (Con); Milton (Ind Con I assume)

    Onn, Cooper, Champion, Twigg (Labour)
    Lab Noes: Barron, Flint, Mann, Fitzpatrick, Hoey, Campbell

    Tory Ayes: 11 remainers
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited October 2019
    Do we know who abstained? Looks like 7 of em.
    nvm, found it: https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/Divisions/Details/721#notrecorded
    (Champion, Cooper, Onn, Twigg / Leigh, Milton, Spelman)
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,927
    WhisperingOracle said:

    Floater said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck that
    This "Public" is a myth.

    There are TWO PUBLICS in Britain over Brexit. The polls show a country split down the middle, with some 5 or 6 % movement to remain over the last three years.

    I don't usually resort to capitalisation, but this abuse of language is getting tiresome.
    Yeah but only one of your 'two publics' won a referendum in 2016.
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/1185555869007781888?s=20
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,749
    KentRising said:

    WhisperingOracle said:

    Floater said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck that
    This "Public" is a myth.

    There are TWO PUBLICS in Britain over Brexit. The polls show a country split down the middle, with some 5 or 6 % movement to remain over the last three years.

    I don't usually resort to capitalisation, but this abuse of language is getting tiresome.
    Yeah but only one of your 'two publics' won a referendum in 2016.
    And what?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,480
    Just to clarify this as I see it.

    The Benn Act said Boris must write a letter requesting an extension if Parliament had not approved a Deal by today.

    This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal

    Therefore the Benn Act falls. The terms under which it would have had legal force (no deal agreed by Parliament by today) no longer exist.

    Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1185557761406439424?s=20
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,125
    At law, the PM now has to write a letter asking for an extension so that Parliament can debate and pass the old WA together with changes to the old political declaration to reflect the old inter-party talks.

    Imagine having the twenty-somethingth week of gilet jaune to deal with and that complete bullshit lands on your desk.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,525
    KentRising said:

    WhisperingOracle said:

    Floater said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck that
    This "Public" is a myth.

    There are TWO PUBLICS in Britain over Brexit. The polls show a country split down the middle, with some 5 or 6 % movement to remain over the last three years.

    I don't usually resort to capitalisation, but this abuse of language is getting tiresome.
    Yeah but only one of your 'two publics' won a referendum in 2016.
    The idea of "the public", as invoked by Brexiters, is not solely the electorate who won the referendum.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,749
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Just to clarify this as I see it.

    The Benn Act said Boris must write a letter requesting an extension if Parliament had not approved a Deal by today.

    This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal

    Therefore the Benn Act falls. The terms under which it would have had legal force (no deal agreed by Parliament by today) no longer exist.

    Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.

    Well you’re wrong unfortunately.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    Gallowgate said:

    Artist said:

    The numbers are there for a deal now, there's no reason for the EU to grant anything other than a technical extension.

    Maybe not when we see the specifics of the Withdrawal Agreement Bill.
    It's the last stand for remainers - is whatever is in the WAIB enough to put off the ex-cons and labour rebels who have stated they would have voted for the deal?

    Uncertain, but the numbers seem to have only been very tightly in favour for Boris at best, so it will be a lot of work for him to keep everyone on side.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    Floater said:

    Gallowgate said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    Good job no negotiation is required. He merely needs to send the letter and then shut up.
    To what end?

    This is bollocks now, just get it done
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhBgPEdWeKM

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,078
    bigjohnowls said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Taxman said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.
    No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.

    Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!
    That will help win people over

    Diehard Remainers have thrown Leavers under the bus and refused a compromise, there is no winning people over now, it is all out civil war until Brexit is delivered
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,338
    Thanks Richard_Tyndall, that`s how I understood it but I was shot down.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,729
    BBC talking heads now predicting the Labour leavers will back down and the legislation will go down
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,975
    Drutt said:

    At law, the PM now has to write a letter asking for an extension so that Parliament can debate and pass the old WA together with changes to the old political declaration to reflect the old inter-party talks.

    Imagine having the twenty-somethingth week of gilet jaune to deal with and that complete bullshit lands on your desk.

    20 something weeks....its nearly as year now.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,256
    Kind of hope we leave with No Deal now.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,749
    isam said:

    Kind of hope we leave with No Deal now.

    Good. Quickest route to Schengen and the Euro.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/1185555869007781888?s=20

    Amusing by Robinson.

    There are a lot of See You Next Tuesdays in Parliament.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    Floater said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck that
    I listened to a member of the public this afternoon on TV who thought Brexit would be good for jobs and bring back manufacturing! This is the second time i have heard this. The first time was a women on the day of the referundum. It flies in the face of common sense and economic reality. MPs are protecting the niave and less able to understand the economic implications of no deal, a bad deal or the best deal which is staying within the EU.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Just to clarify this as I see it.

    The Benn Act said Boris must write a letter requesting an extension if Parliament had not approved a Deal by today.

    This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal

    Therefore the Benn Act falls. The terms under which it would have had legal force (no deal agreed by Parliament by today) no longer exist.

    Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.

    No, parliament didn't approve a deal. In fact it voted for a motion which (as amended) specifically states that it didn't. The letter has to be sent, and I think will be, and the real debate happens next Tuesday before the EU have given an answer.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    t.

    Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.

    Letwin rendered today's Meaningful Vote .... meaningless. The bill next week essentially becomes the MV.

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    I wonder if Boris regrets polarising the debate a few weeks ago. It was too late to play the statesman.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,070
    HYUFD said:

    The_Taxman said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.
    No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.

    Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!
    So just to check are you in a state of all out war with me? I for the purposes of this discussion consider myself to be a diehard remainer.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,979
    edited October 2019
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Just to clarify this as I see it.

    The Benn Act said Boris must write a letter requesting an extension if Parliament had not approved a Deal by today.

    This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal

    Therefore the Benn Act falls. The terms under which it would have had legal force (no deal agreed by Parliament by today) no longer exist.

    Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.

    No. The motion approved had to be a motion meeting the criteria of (from memory) s 13 of the European Withdrawal Act 2018. As amended this motion did not meet that criteria. The condition is therefore not met. So he has to write the letter.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    ydoethur said:

    I said this deal would go down by about 20.

    Very close to what has happened.

    Only 25% out 😁
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,480
    Gallowgate said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Just to clarify this as I see it.

    The Benn Act said Boris must write a letter requesting an extension if Parliament had not approved a Deal by today.

    This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal

    Therefore the Benn Act falls. The terms under which it would have had legal force (no deal agreed by Parliament by today) no longer exist.

    Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.

    Well you’re wrong unfortunately.
    Why? No good saying I am wrong without showing why. I thought people were saying the main Motion gad already passed. If that is thd case then I am not wrong.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    Richard_Tyndall said:


    This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal

    And that is where you are wrong. Boris seems to have been quite clear that a chance for a MV has been missed, and without a MV no approval has occurred.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,749
    HYUFD said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Taxman said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.
    No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.

    Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!
    That will help win people over

    Diehard Remainers have thrown Leavers under the bus and refused a compromise, there is no winning people over now, it is all out civil war until Brexit is delivered
    Yeah those bloody diehard remainers.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1185557708155568134?s=21
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SouthamObserver said:

    Is that Matt Western, my MP, reading the result?

    Yes.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,788
    HYUFD said:

    The_Taxman said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.
    No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.

    Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!
    I think you have finally lost it
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,070
    So where's the constitutional, procedural experts when we need them?

    Can Boris send a letter or not send a letter, then pass the legislation required for the deal and then the deal before October 31st in whcih case can the EU, letter or no letter, hold off until it all passes at which point the letter becomes moot?
  • ZephyrZephyr Posts: 438
    bigjohnowls said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Taxman said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.
    No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.

    Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!
    That will help win people over

    Does it sound like he’s winning? 😆

    Brexit won’t win another plebiscite if held in next year. Boris deal would lose in a plebiscite v revoke.

    Brexit is essentially dead.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,749
    edited October 2019
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Just to clarify this as I see it.

    The Benn Act said Boris must write a letter requesting an extension if Parliament had not approved a Deal by today.

    This afternoon Parliament approved a Deal

    Therefore the Benn Act falls. The terms under which it would have had legal force (no deal agreed by Parliament by today) no longer exist.

    Do yhe Benn act is now dead and we are instead looking at the wording of the Letwin amrndment to the MV.

    Well you’re wrong unfortunately.
    Why? No good saying I am wrong without showing why. I thought people were saying the main Motion gad already passed. If that is thd case then I am not wrong.
    Because the motion (once amended) didn’t say that it approved the deal. It said it reserved judgement.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,760
    Mr. Tyndall/Mr. Stocky, interesting suggestion.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    https://twitter.com/Brigid_Fowler/status/1185560015177965568?s=20
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    KentRising said:

    WhisperingOracle said:

    Floater said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Floater said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Taxman, the Commons could've had a vote of no confidence in him. They could've had an election.

    They chose neither.

    This is a contemptible Parliament.

    They don't want no deal.
    They don't want a deal.
    They don't want the PM.
    They don't want a vote of no confidence.
    They don't want an election.

    They dont want Brexit - plain and simple
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
    Ah, so ignore the public - well fuck that
    This "Public" is a myth.

    There are TWO PUBLICS in Britain over Brexit. The polls show a country split down the middle, with some 5 or 6 % movement to remain over the last three years.

    I don't usually resort to capitalisation, but this abuse of language is getting tiresome.
    Yeah but only one of your 'two publics' won a referendum in 2016.
    Let's see which one would win now.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    Who decides which order new Peers get invested? Because the government is going to need Mann's vote all the way through.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,908
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Taxman said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1185554606744580096?s=20

    He should be removed from office. He demeans and taints it, everyday he clings to office.
    No, we are now in a state of all out war with the diehard Remainers, so Boris has democrats fully behind him in that war.

    Go Boris!!! No surrender!!!! Diehard Remainers are the enemies of the people!!!
    So just to check are you in a state of all out war with me? I for the purposes of this discussion consider myself to be a diehard remainer.
    What are the rules of engagement?
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