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Err, No...HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help0 -
Here's what would happen: The US would tell us not to do it and any normal UK PM wouldn't. If we had a Filthy Piece of Toerag (Boris) as PM who was stupid enough to do it anyway then they would start a massive sensor jamming operation, degrade GPS and reset the UK's password to ALIS grounding the F35s.HYUFD said:
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
This all radged. Do some of your British Army counter insurgency ops on Scotland stuff; it's more believable.0 -
@FoxyCarnyx said:
Oh, someone made pretty much that point all right, if it makes you feel happier.Dura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.0 -
I was crying with laughter at this one but maybe not.Beibheirli_C said:
I bet it still was not as good as the one Plato and I started about leftover vegetables i the kitchen club. That one ran all day.TOPPING said:
HEY!!!!!!!Dura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
That was one of if not the funniest thread ever to have developed on PB in years.0 -
Which are the likely "blocs" ?Andy_JS said:Latest Canadian forecast:
Lib 137
Con 135
BQ 33
NDP 28
Grn 4
PPC 1
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/0 -
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.kyf_100 said:
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
Hell, can we even fire them without the US being able to flick the off switch whenever they want?
Plus
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-america-doesnt-control-britains-nuclear-weapons/0 -
NDP leader Singh has now said he will form a coalition Government with Trudeau if necessary to prevent Scheer becoming PMPulpstar said:
Which are the likely "blocs" ?Andy_JS said:Latest Canadian forecast:
Lib 137
Con 135
BQ 33
NDP 28
Grn 4
PPC 1
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/0 -
Time to go
Any talk of nuking Spain or the like is beyond the pale
And so another incident packed day to look forward to tomorrow
And so I wish you all a very good night's rest1 -
Blimey, what are you taking tonight @HYUFD ?HYUFD said:
The Royal Gibraltar Regiment already garrisons Gibraltar, special forces and the SAS would simply be landed and parachuted in to support them and provide arms to the local population to fight guerrilla warfare against the Spanish invaders.Bournville said:
I think the biggest problem would be landing these troops, tanks and special forces in Gibraltar in a theoretical UK/Spanish conflict. Although the UK has superior quantity and arguably quality when it comes to military resources, they would still need to transport them around the Iberian peninsula and then stage a naval invasion, which is tough at the best of times.HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar whatever the US did or did not say
Of course, when fighting a non nuclear power, nuclear weapons are meaningless unless the UK intends to become a pariah state; Spain doesn't need to worry about nukes at all as the UK will never risk the immediate sanctions and interventions that would follow a nuclear first strike by an middle nation on a non nucleat country.
Nuclear weapons are only to be used to defend UK territory but of course Gibraltar is British territory0 -
But are happy to invade one of that country's territories.HYUFD said:
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.kyf_100 said:
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
Hell, can we even fire them without the US being able to flick the off switch whenever they want?0 -
BQ have said they won't work with anyone. NDP have said they won't work with the Conservatives. I assume PPC would work with the Conservatives. The most likely coalition is probably Lib + NDP + Grn. But on this forecast they're still short of a majority.Pulpstar said:
Which are the likely "blocs" ?Andy_JS said:Latest Canadian forecast:
Lib 137
Con 135
BQ 33
NDP 28
Grn 4
PPC 1
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/0 -
The po faced seriousness of discussing nuclear conflict with Spain rather reveals, I suspect, the mask of the parody slipping. And it was so convincing on other issues as well. Good japes though.Benpointer said:
Blimey, what are you taking tonight @HYUFD ?HYUFD said:
The Royal Gibraltar Regiment already garrisons Gibraltar, special forces and the SAS would simply be landed and parachuted in to support them and provide arms to the local population to fight guerrilla warfare against the Spanish invaders.Bournville said:
I think tntry.HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar whatever the US did or did not say
Nuclear weapons are only to be used to defend UK territory but of course Gibraltar is British territory0 -
Goodnight Big_G. I think Gibraltar is probably safe until tomorrow at leastBig_G_NorthWales said:Time to go
Any talk of nuking Spain or the like is beyond the pale
And so another incident packed day to look forward to tomorrow
And so I wish you all a very good night's rest
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Stark raving mad.HYUFD said:
The Royal Gibraltar Regiment already garrisons Gibraltar, special forces and the SAS would simply be landed and parachuted in to support them and provide arms to the local population to fight guerrilla warfare against the Spanish invaders.Bournville said:
I think the biggest problem would be landing these troops, tanks and special forces in Gibraltar in a theoretical UK/Spanish conflict. Although the UK has superior quantity and arguably quality when it comes to military resources, they would still need to transport them around the Iberian peninsula and then stage a naval invasion, which is tough at the best of times.HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar whatever the US did or did not say
Of course, when fighting a non nuclear power, nuclear weapons are meaningless unless the UK intends to become a pariah state; Spain doesn't need to worry about nukes at all as the UK will never risk the immediate sanctions and interventions that would follow a nuclear first strike by an middle nation on a non nucleat country.
Nuclear weapons are only to be used to defend UK territory but of course Gibraltar is British territory2 -
An advanced course in Trumpery.Benpointer said:
Blimey, what are you taking tonight @HYUFD ?HYUFD said:
The Royal Gibraltar Regiment already garrisons Gibraltar, special forces and the SAS would simply be landed and parachuted in to support them and provide arms to the local population to fight guerrilla warfare against the Spanish invaders.Bournville said:
I think the biggest problem would be landing these troops, tanks and special forces in Gibraltar in a theoretical UK/Spanish conflict. Although the UK has superior quantity and arguably quality when it comes to military resources, they would still need to transport them around the Iberian peninsula and then stage a naval invasion, which is tough at the best of times.HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar whatever the US did or did not say
Of course, when fighting a non nuclear power, nuclear weapons are meaningless unless the UK intends to become a pariah state; Spain doesn't need to worry about nukes at all as the UK will never risk the immediate sanctions and interventions that would follow a nuclear first strike by an middle nation on a non nucleat country.
Nuclear weapons are only to be used to defend UK territory but of course Gibraltar is British territory1 -
I did wonder about them pulling the fuses on the Lightnings!Dura_Ace said:
Here's what would happen: The US would tell us not to do it and any normal UK PM wouldn't. If we had a Filthy Piece of Toerag (Boris) as PM who was stupid enough to do it anyway then they would start a massive sensor jamming operation, degrade GPS and reset the UK's password to ALIS grounding the F35s.HYUFD said:
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
This all radged. Do some of your British Army counter insurgency ops on Scotland stuff; it's more believable.
But at least I have learnt something about a possible trip to Gib to see the fortifications and artillery:
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g187510-d3747895-r213796709-The_Horseshoe-Gibraltar.html0 -
The US does not control UK nuclear weaponsDura_Ace said:
Here's what would happen: The US would tell us not to do it and any normal UK PM wouldn't. If we had a Filthy Piece of Toerag (Boris) as PM who was stupid enough to do it anyway then they would start a massive sensor jamming operation, degrade GPS and reset the UK's password to ALIS grounding the F35s.HYUFD said:
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
This all radged. Do some of your British Army counter insurgency ops on Scotland stuff; it's more believable.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-america-doesnt-control-britains-nuclear-weapons/
So there is nothing they can do to stop a UK PM using whatever means necessary to protect British territory from invasion as a last resort0 -
Go on with you - you'll be telling us HYUFD is another SeanT persona next!kle4 said:
The po faced seriousness of discussing nuclear conflict with Spain rather reveals, I suspect, the mask of the parody slipping. And it was so convincing on other issues as well. Good japes though.Benpointer said:
Blimey, what are you taking tonight @HYUFD ?HYUFD said:
The Royal Gibraltar Regiment already garrisons Gibraltar, special forces and the SAS would simply be landed and parachuted in to support them and provide arms to the local population to fight guerrilla warfare against the Spanish invaders.Bournville said:
I think tntry.HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar whatever the US did or did not say
Nuclear weapons are only to be used to defend UK territory but of course Gibraltar is British territory0 -
Why is this being discussed?HYUFD said:
The US does not control UK nuclear weaponsDura_Ace said:
Here's what would happen: The US would tell us not to do it and any normal UK PM wouldn't. If we had a Filthy Piece of Toerag (Boris) as PM who was stupid enough to do it anyway then they would start a massive sensor jamming operation, degrade GPS and reset the UK's password to ALIS grounding the F35s.HYUFD said:
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
This all radged. Do some of your British Army counter insurgency ops on Scotland stuff; it's more believable.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-america-doesnt-control-britains-nuclear-weapons/
So there is nothing they can do to stop a UK PM using whatever means necessary to protect British territory from invasion as a last resort1 -
War with Spain. Marvellous. Is this before or after the partition of Northern Ireland and the annexation of the Scottish Borders. Or is it all happening at the same time?1
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OK what about a shark vs a bear.1
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I don't think Spain is going to be taking part in any wars when an election is about to take place at which the leading parties are probably going to receive no more than 20-25% of the vote.1
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No more drugs for HYUFD!HYUFD said:
The Royal Gibraltar Regiment already garrisons Gibraltar, special forces and the SAS would simply be landed and parachuted in to support them and provide arms to the local population to fight guerrilla warfare against the Spanish invaders.Bournville said:
I think the biggest problem would be landing these troops, tanks and special forces in Gibraltar in a theoretical UK/Spanish conflict. Although the UK has superior quantity and arguably quality when it comes to military resources, they would still need to transport them around the Iberian peninsula and then stage a naval invasion, which is tough at the best of times.HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar whatever the US did or did not say
Of course, when fighting a non nuclear power, nuclear weapons are meaningless unless the UK intends to become a pariah state; Spain doesn't need to worry about nukes at all as the UK will never risk the immediate sanctions and interventions that would follow a nuclear first strike by an middle nation on a non nucleat country.
Nuclear weapons are only to be used to defend UK territory but of course Gibraltar is British territory0 -
And withdrew after Maggie Thatcher had a firm wordTOPPING said:
But are happy to invade one of that country's territories.HYUFD said:
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.kyf_100 said:
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
Hell, can we even fire them without the US being able to flick the off switch whenever they want?0 -
I think a 3 front war will overstretch @HYUFD.SouthamObserver said:War with Spain. Marvellous. Is this before or after the partition of Northern Ireland and the annexation of the Scottish Borders. Or is it all happening at the same time?
Could all those wanting to die in a ditch report for service immediately. The rest of us will just die laughing.0 -
O/T
"Canadian writer Margaret Atwood and British author Bernardine Evaristo split the Booker Prize on Monday, after the judging panel ripped up the rule book and refused to name one winner for the prestigious fiction trophy.
Chairman Peter Florence said the five judges simply couldn't choose between Atwood's dystopian thriller The Testaments and Evaristo's kaleidoscope of black women's stories, Girl, Woman, Other."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/margaret-atwood-booker-prize-bernardine-evaristo-1.53207010 -
Half the point of being able to successfully defend your territory from invasion is to keep potential invaders guessing about what your response might be, all cards should be on the table as a last resortGallowgate said:
Why is this being discussed?HYUFD said:
The US does not control UK nuclear weaponsDura_Ace said:
Here's what would happen: The US would tell us not to do it and any normal UK PM wouldn't. If we had a Filthy Piece of Toerag (Boris) as PM who was stupid enough to do it anyway then they would start a massive sensor jamming operation, degrade GPS and reset the UK's password to ALIS grounding the F35s.HYUFD said:
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
This all radged. Do some of your British Army counter insurgency ops on Scotland stuff; it's more believable.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-america-doesnt-control-britains-nuclear-weapons/
So there is nothing they can do to stop a UK PM using whatever means necessary to protect British territory from invasion as a last resort0 -
Spain would also be at war with Catalonia at the same time I presume...Foxy said:
I think a 3 front war will overstretch @HYUFD.SouthamObserver said:War with Spain. Marvellous. Is this before or after the partition of Northern Ireland and the annexation of the Scottish Borders. Or is it all happening at the same time?
Could all those wanting to die in a ditch report for service immediately. The rest of us will just die laughing.0 -
Given that Franco never invaded Gibraltar I hardly think that any conceivable democratic government of Spain will consider doing so.0
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That was not the case.HYUFD said:
And withdrew after Maggie Thatcher had a firm wordTOPPING said:
But are happy to invade one of that country's territories.HYUFD said:
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.kyf_100 said:
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
Hell, can we even fire them without the US being able to flick the off switch whenever they want?0 -
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!0 -
The next El Classico should be good.0
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Wasn't Grenada independent at the time?TOPPING said:
But are happy to invade one of that country's territories.HYUFD said:
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.kyf_100 said:
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
Hell, can we even fire them without the US being able to flick the off switch whenever they want?0 -
Strategic preemptive nuclear strike on Spain of course.Gallowgate said:
Why is this being discussed?HYUFD said:
The US does not control UK nuclear weaponsDura_Ace said:
Here's what would happen: The US would tell us not to do it and any normal UK PM wouldn't. If we had a Filthy Piece of Toerag (Boris) as PM who was stupid enough to do it anyway then they would start a massive sensor jamming operation, degrade GPS and reset the UK's password to ALIS grounding the F35s.HYUFD said:
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
This all radged. Do some of your British Army counter insurgency ops on Scotland stuff; it's more believable.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-america-doesnt-control-britains-nuclear-weapons/
So there is nothing they can do to stop a UK PM using whatever means necessary to protect British territory from invasion as a last resort
Don’t tell me this isn’t the conversation around many dinner tables these days.2 -
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
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Is the Catalan airport demo a false flag operation for the beginning of a British attack on Spain?0
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Which of course brings me back to my earlier question.HYUFD said:
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode is made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
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That was on the Australia-Hong Kong border though. If I remember correctly....ExiledInScotland said:This UK/Spain chat tonight is like The Day Today WAR! sketch:
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USA 94 was the summer of my first job - a runner on the LIFFE floor. I had to put some bets on for the traders who weren’t allowed in the bookies with their company jackets on. One of them asked me what I fancied and I said ‘Brazil 3 vs Holland 2’ and ‘Bulgaria 2 vs Germany 1’... he said I might as well have a fiver double... but I put in the the fruit machine instead... 🙈tlg86 said:
True. It's a bit sad really. My earliest memory of international football was USA 94, and Bulgaria's victory against the Germans in the quarter final was fantastic. They've produced some excellent players over the years, but I don't recognize any of the names in their current squad.Byronic said:
No side wants to lose 6-0. It is psychologically damagingtlg86 said:
Worth noting that this result is very much in Bulgaria's interest. They'd probably make it into the playoffs anyway, but it's to their advantage that England and Czech Republic qualify directly rather than Kosovo.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:6-0.
Up yours, racists.
I was going to suggest lumping on England earlier today, but I was slightly concerned that Bulgaria might not be aware of this and there was always the possibility that the game would be abandoned (not sure the betting implications if that had happened).
Cf: I'm not sure the Irish rugby team have recovered from their record-breaking summertime drubbing at Twickenham. Certainly, the Irish press keep referring to it: as a recurring nightmare.0 -
Yes, but given the thread today, it would obviously easily spread to Spain / Gibraltar.ozymandias said:
That was on the Australia-Hong Kong border though. If I remember correctly....ExiledInScotland said:This UK/Spain chat tonight is like The Day Today WAR! sketch:
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Only posted here a few times but lurked for a few years.
The degredation of discussion here is pretty depressing. I don't mean that in a "people are disagreeing" way but more in a "every time I check the comments someone is calling someone else something rude" way.
I'm not going to pretend I know how to rescue things but please could we have a few days to take a step back, recognise the person you're talking to on here isn't a treacherous fascist monster, and try to be decent to each other?1 -
Off topic (the topic being war with Spain, apparently)
I read some K-Pop star I've never heard of has been "found dead aged 25". And it got me wondering. If a famous 80-year-old passes away, it's
Person X dies aged 80
but it's
Person Y, 25, found dead
At what age do you stop being "found dead" and just die?0 -
Amazingly I heard of Delft for the first time about an hour ago, watching a BBC programme about a Dutch forger who sold his verMeer paintings to the Nazis.SandyRentool said:Final update before I log off:
We have gate agents, but still no plane. And no more Kitkats.
Oh, and Delft is definitely worth a visit.
Night all.0 -
I would trust that there's not a single British adult who holds a driving license.0
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The suggestion is that she was a suicide.Noo said:Off topic (the topic being war with Spain, apparently)
I read some K-Pop star I've never heard of has been "found dead aged 25". And it got me wondering. If a famous 80-year-old passes away, it's
Person X dies aged 80
but it's
Person Y, 25, found dead
At what age do you stop being "found dead" and just die?
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Delft is beautiful, and the Vermeer museum is worth the trip.isam said:
Amazingly I heard of Delft for the first time about an hour ago, watching a BBC programme about a Dutch forger who sold his verMeer paintings to the Nazis.SandyRentool said:Final update before I log off:
We have gate agents, but still no plane. And no more Kitkats.
Oh, and Delft is definitely worth a visit.
Night all.0 -
We would leave the English border with Thailand completely undefended if we committed to war with Spain.ExiledInScotland said:
Yes, but given the thread today, it would obviously easily spread to Spain / Gibraltar.ozymandias said:
That was on the Australia-Hong Kong border though. If I remember correctly....ExiledInScotland said:This UK/Spain chat tonight is like The Day Today WAR! sketch:
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Average life expectancy or thereabouts I suppose - ie when it stops being a surprise.Noo said:Off topic (the topic being war with Spain, apparently)
I read some K-Pop star I've never heard of has been "found dead aged 25". And it got me wondering. If a famous 80-year-old passes away, it's
Person X dies aged 80
but it's
Person Y, 25, found dead
At what age do you stop being "found dead" and just die?0 -
Bit much to ask for the thread header writers not to comment below the lineBournville said:Only posted here a few times but lurked for a few years.
The degredation of discussion here is pretty depressing. I don't mean that in a "people are disagreeing" way but more in a "every time I check the comments someone is calling someone else something rude" way.
I'm not going to pretend I know how to rescue things but please could we have a few days to take a step back, recognise the person you're talking to on here isn't a treacherous fascist monster, and try to be decent to each other?0 -
If there is going to be no MV then Super Saturday is just another Johnson stunt. Saturday sittings cancel surgeries and constituency work. They are very inconvenient for MPs for areas well away from London. They are for emergencies.
If there is to be no MV Labour are quite right to block Super Saturday.0 -
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And this is the man Boris wants to tie Britain to.Nigelb said:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-kurds-world-order-betrayal.htmlByronic said:
La La Land. He is sanctioning a NATO ally for doing what he invited them to do on Wednesday, and he is withdrawing American troops from a country where he says there are no American troops, and he is aiding the resurgence of a terror group that he simultaneously boasts about defeating, and he is sending American troops into the Mid East as he gloats about flying Mid East-based US troops home, and and andwilliamglenn said:
America the Clown.
It’s worth emphasizing, over and over, that the Turkish invasion wasn’t an unforeseen side effect of Trump’s withdrawal; it was an explicit part of the decision. The official statement that the White House released on Oct. 6 made this clear:
“Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria. The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial “Caliphate,” will no longer be in the immediate area.”
It’s also worth emphasising that total US casualties in the fight against IS were eight.
For the Kurds, perhaps 11,000.
That is how Trump treats US allies.0 -
Pfff everybody know ICM is biased towards bears.OblitusSumMe said:0 -
I wonder whether any futurologists predicted protests in both Barcelona and Hong Kong in 2019.0
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While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!HYUFD said:
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!0 -
Aye, independent in 1974, however QE2 is still monarch of Grenada sl it's part of the loose collection of commonwealth states under QE2 that make up a modern version of 'empire'Sunil_Prasannan said:
Wasn't Grenada independent at the time?TOPPING said:
But are happy to invade one of that country's territories.HYUFD said:
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.kyf_100 said:
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
Hell, can we even fire them without the US being able to flick the off switch whenever they want?0 -
Ask Rogerdamus when he's next in. If he didn't get it, nobody did.Andy_JS said:I wonder whether any futurologists predicted protests in both Barcelona and Hong Kong in 2019.
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We did not do anything @tyson. Remember: we did not vote for him.HYUFD said:
Refuse to deliver the Brexit 17 million voted fortyson said:Boris Johnson...fucking tosspot..discuss.
What is the worst thing about Boris's day today????.from the UK not wanting to criticise Turkey, to manipulating the queen for today's charade, to popping in such incendiary voter suppression measures, to the shocking populist home office (unworkable) proposals, to wrapping himself around the NHS..something he obviously doesn't give a flying fuck about....
What did we do to deserve Boris Johnson?0 -
Yes, I agee. Labour have to be careful about not turning up though as you cannot trust BJ!Yellow_Submarine said:If there is going to be no MV then Super Saturday is just another Johnson stunt. Saturday sittings cancel surgeries and constituency work. They are very inconvenient for MPs for areas well away from London. They are for emergencies.
If there is to be no MV Labour are quite right to block Super Saturday.0 -
Seeing the police attacking protesters in Barcelona again is depressing. I was in Barcelona 2 years ago when the police attacked people hoping to vote and it was really frightening.0
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Thinking about it we should return Gibraltar and declare the Treaty of Utrecht void ab initio.The_Taxman said:
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!HYUFD said:
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
The UK could dismantle most of Europe in one stroke.0 -
Morocco has and does demand annexation of Ceuta and Melilla.The_Taxman said:
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!HYUFD said:
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
They are both constituent parts of the kingdom of Spain though unlike Gibraltar which is an overseas territory of the UK0 -
Oh goodie, I’m looking forward to hearing @HYUFD’s knowledge of the criminal justice system. This should be fun!tyson said:
OK...what do you think about the sentencing measures for the Courts? Do you agree with them? I am curiousHYUFD said:
Refuse to deliver the Brexit 17 million voted fortyson said:Boris Johnson...fucking tosspot..discuss.
What is the worst thing about Boris's day today????.from the UK not wanting to criticise Turkey, to manipulating the queen for today's charade, to popping in such incendiary voter suppression measures, to the shocking populist home office (unworkable) proposals, to wrapping himself around the NHS..something he obviously doesn't give a flying fuck about....
What did we do to deserve Boris Johnson?0 -
It's about the same age that you no longer 'fall over' and but rather 'have a fall'.OblitusSumMe said:
Average life expectancy or thereabouts I suppose - ie when it stops being a surprise.Noo said:Off topic (the topic being war with Spain, apparently)
I read some K-Pop star I've never heard of has been "found dead aged 25". And it got me wondering. If a famous 80-year-old passes away, it's
Person X dies aged 80
but it's
Person Y, 25, found dead
At what age do you stop being "found dead" and just die?0 -
+1Bournville said:Only posted here a few times but lurked for a few years.
The degredation of discussion here is pretty depressing. I don't mean that in a "people are disagreeing" way but more in a "every time I check the comments someone is calling someone else something rude" way.
I'm not going to pretend I know how to rescue things but please could we have a few days to take a step back, recognise the person you're talking to on here isn't a treacherous fascist monster, and try to be decent to each other?0 -
Grenada was not British territory when Reagan invaded in 1983 after the PM was executed following a coup, it having gained independence in 1974 (though it was in the Commonwealth).TOPPING said:
Which of course brings me back to my earlier question.HYUFD said:
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode is made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
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Would an old person's bus pass count as valid ID for voting?0
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Of course Morocco can whistle given their occupation of Western Sahara through which I have travelled. The last sizable territory not yet to receive suitable settlement in the post colonial eradyedwoolie said:
Morocco has and does demand annexation of Ceuta and Melilla.The_Taxman said:
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!HYUFD said:
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
They are both constituent parts of the kingdom of Spain though unlike Gibraltar which is an overseas territory of the UK0 -
Qe2 was head of state however and still isHYUFD said:
Grenada was not British territory when Reagan invaded in 1983 after the PM was executed following a coup, it having gained independence in 1973 (though it was in the Commonwealth).TOPPING said:
Which of course brings me back to my earlier question.HYUFD said:
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode is made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!0 -
I had never heard of them until some Russian told me about it as he had visited Ceuta , when i was on a recent trip. Maybe it does not register because it is of little interest to readers of UK media?dyedwoolie said:
Morocco has and does demand annexation of Ceuta and Melilla.The_Taxman said:
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!HYUFD said:
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
They are both constituent parts of the kingdom of Spain though unlike Gibraltar which is an overseas territory of the UK0 -
All the more reason Spain cannot complain agreedThe_Taxman said:
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!HYUFD said:
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!0 -
Yet I recall crystal clear in 2016 that people chortled at the literary waves of abuse from one writer below the line, who also used politicalbetting.com to fantasise about interning and/or deporting all British Muslims. So the golden age was a lie.Bournville said:Only posted here a few times but lurked for a few years.
The degredation of discussion here is pretty depressing. I don't mean that in a "people are disagreeing" way but more in a "every time I check the comments someone is calling someone else something rude" way.
I'm not going to pretend I know how to rescue things but please could we have a few days to take a step back, recognise the person you're talking to on here isn't a treacherous fascist monster, and try to be decent to each other?0 -
It's a weird quirk and hangover of the colonization of Africa. There are some military installations on islands off the coast which are strategically good compensation for not having GibraltarThe_Taxman said:
I had never heard of them until some Russian told me about it as he had visited Ceuta , when i was on a recent trip. Maybe it does not register because it is of little interest to readers of UK media?dyedwoolie said:
Morocco has and does demand annexation of Ceuta and Melilla.The_Taxman said:
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!HYUFD said:
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
They are both constituent parts of the kingdom of Spain though unlike Gibraltar which is an overseas territory of the UK0 -
That'd be nice.Bournville said:Only posted here a few times but lurked for a few years.
The degredation of discussion here is pretty depressing. I don't mean that in a "people are disagreeing" way but more in a "every time I check the comments someone is calling someone else something rude" way.
I'm not going to pretend I know how to rescue things but please could we have a few days to take a step back, recognise the person you're talking to on here isn't a treacherous fascist monster, and try to be decent to each other?0 -
It does in Northern Ireland see https://www.eoni.org.uk/Electoral-Identity-Card/Electoral-Identity-Card-FAQsAndy_JS said:Would an old person's bus pass count as valid ID for voting?
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Do you know "beat off" has more than one meaning?HYUFD said:
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!0 -
Interesting that Blackford was on Newsnight saying general election before referendum.
With Con, SNP and Labour Remainers in Leave seats against a referendum it's difficult to see how that gets through?
The SNP could also be opening up a way for Boris get an election through with a one line bill?0 -
But it's not a British Territory.dyedwoolie said:
Qe2 was head of state however and still isHYUFD said:
Grenada was not British territory when Reagan invaded in 1983 after the PM was executed following a coup, it having gained independence in 1974 (though it was in the Commonwealth).TOPPING said:
Which of course brings me back to my earlier question.HYUFD said:
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode is made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!0 -
You're not the first to point out that fact.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Wasn't Grenada independent at the time?TOPPING said:
But are happy to invade one of that country's territories.HYUFD said:
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.kyf_100 said:
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?HYUFD said:
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.Dura_Ace said:
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.HYUFD said:
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar tooDura_Ace said:Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
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That is like saying pro-Europeans want to tie us to fascists like Orban.Cyclefree said:
And this is the man Boris wants to tie Britain to.Nigelb said:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-kurds-world-order-betrayal.htmlByronic said:
La La Land. He is sanctioning a NATO ally for doing what he invited them to do on Wednesday, and he is withdrawing American troops from a country where he says there are no American troops, and he is aiding the resurgence of a terror group that he simultaneously boasts about defeating, and he is sending American troops into the Mid East as he gloats about flying Mid East-based US troops home, and and andwilliamglenn said:
America the Clown.
It’s worth emphasizing, over and over, that the Turkish invasion wasn’t an unforeseen side effect of Trump’s withdrawal; it was an explicit part of the decision. The official statement that the White House released on Oct. 6 made this clear:
“Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria. The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial “Caliphate,” will no longer be in the immediate area.”
It’s also worth emphasising that total US casualties in the fight against IS were eight.
For the Kurds, perhaps 11,000.
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Suggestions that Johnson might try and get the Benn Act repealed by saying that a deal is close and that another EU summit will be taking place later in October .
If MPs fall for this then they must be mad . Even if a deal is sealed later in October there’s no time for the legislation and what if the talks fall apart with no agreed extension there’s nothing they could do .
Looks like the governments briefings on apparent loopholes in the Benn Act was as everyone thought just bluff and bluster and now their attempts are to dupe MPs into repealing the legislation.
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And the Spanish.Gabs2 said:
That is like saying pro-Europeans want to tie us to fascists like Orban.Cyclefree said:
And this is the man Boris wants to tie Britain to.Nigelb said:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-kurds-world-order-betrayal.htmlByronic said:
La La Land. He is sanctioning a NATO ally for doing what he invited them to do on Wednesday, and he is withdrawing American troops from a country where he says there are no American troops, and he is aiding the resurgence of a terror group that he simultaneously boasts about defeating, and he is sending American troops into the Mid East as he gloats about flying Mid East-based US troops home, and and andwilliamglenn said:
America the Clown.
It’s worth emphasizing, over and over, that the Turkish invasion wasn’t an unforeseen side effect of Trump’s withdrawal; it was an explicit part of the decision. The official statement that the White House released on Oct. 6 made this clear:
“Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria. The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial “Caliphate,” will no longer be in the immediate area.”
It’s also worth emphasising that total US casualties in the fight against IS were eight.
For the Kurds, perhaps 11,000.
That is how Trump treats US allies.
Except if we are in the EU we are literally tied to Orban and the Spaniards politically. Outside we are free to do as we please. We can elect a pro-American government or we could elect an anti-American or neutral or a take-each-as-it-comes or a we-hate-Trump-but-liked-Obama-and-could-live-with-Warren government.0 -
They could just amend the Benn act to take into account the date ot the second summit (which will presumably be announced on Thursday or Friday?) so Benn wouldn't kick in until 28th October (or whenever the second summit takes place)nico67 said:Suggestions that Johnson might try and get the Benn Act repealed by saying that a deal is close and that another EU summit will be taking place later in October .
If MPs fall for this then they must be mad . Even if a deal is sealed later in October there’s no time for the legislation and what if the talks fall apart with no agreed extension there’s nothing they could do .
Looks like the governments briefings on apparent loopholes in the Benn Act was as everyone thought just bluff and bluster and now their attempts are to dupe MPs into repealing the legislation.0 -
Sort of on topic, my British license doesn't have a photo, it's a ragged old scrap of paper, IIRC with a validity date set for another twenty years away or so. Was I supposed to send it in and get it replaced with a piece of plastic with one of these new-fangled photographs?0
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As an oldie and a diabetic, I've just had to get medical approval to have my driving licence renewed. Had it not been renewed would I be disenfranchised as a consequence of being diabetic?0
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QTWAINReggieCide said:As an oldie and a diabetic, I've just had to get medical approval to have my driving licence renewed. Had it not been renewed would I be disenfranchised as a consequence of being diabetic?
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I'm poor and cannot afford to travel and don't own a car. Would I be disenfranchised for being poor?0
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/11028839/Driving-licence-changes-what-do-paper-licence-holders-need-to-know.htmledmundintokyo said:Sort of on topic, my British license doesn't have a photo, it's a ragged old scrap of paper, IIRC with a validity date set for another twenty years away or so. Was I supposed to send it in and get it replaced with a piece of plastic with one of these new-fangled photographs?
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I am a Muslim woman and don't have a driving licence nor a passport, would I be disenfranchised as a consequence. Is there wishful thinking at play here?0
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If Blackford is true to his word about no refernedum until there's been a general election then any attempt at a referendum on Saturday is a non-starter.
Con 288 + SNP 35 + DUP 10 + Labour MPs from Leave Seats 10 (conservative estimate) = NO 3430 -
Far too late by then . How on earth can MPs pass the legislation for any deal in three days .GIN1138 said:
They could just amend the Benn act to take into account the date ot the second summit (which will presumably be announced on Thursday or Friday?) so Benn wouldn't kick in until 28th October (or whenever the second summit takes place)nico67 said:Suggestions that Johnson might try and get the Benn Act repealed by saying that a deal is close and that another EU summit will be taking place later in October .
If MPs fall for this then they must be mad . Even if a deal is sealed later in October there’s no time for the legislation and what if the talks fall apart with no agreed extension there’s nothing they could do .
Looks like the governments briefings on apparent loopholes in the Benn Act was as everyone thought just bluff and bluster and now their attempts are to dupe MPs into repealing the legislation.
And if the talks fall apart then no time to enforce the Act .0 -
Most of the rest of the Treaty of Utrecht is already void. We were forced to give up Menorca in a deal with the French.ozymandias said:
Thinking about it we should return Gibraltar and declare the Treaty of Utrecht void ab initio.The_Taxman said:
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!HYUFD said:
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).Noo said:I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
The UK could dismantle most of Europe in one stroke.0
