Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
Here's what would happen: The US would tell us not to do it and any normal UK PM wouldn't. If we had a Filthy Piece of Toerag (Boris) as PM who was stupid enough to do it anyway then they would start a massive sensor jamming operation, degrade GPS and reset the UK's password to ALIS grounding the F35s.
This all radged. Do some of your British Army counter insurgency ops on Scotland stuff; it's more believable.
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
Oh, someone made pretty much that point all right, if it makes you feel happier.
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
HEY!!!!!!!
That was one of if not the funniest thread ever to have developed on PB in years.
I bet it still was not as good as the one Plato and I started about leftover vegetables i the kitchen club. That one ran all day.
I was crying with laughter at this one but maybe not.
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?
Hell, can we even fire them without the US being able to flick the off switch whenever they want?
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar whatever the US did or did not say
I think the biggest problem would be landing these troops, tanks and special forces in Gibraltar in a theoretical UK/Spanish conflict. Although the UK has superior quantity and arguably quality when it comes to military resources, they would still need to transport them around the Iberian peninsula and then stage a naval invasion, which is tough at the best of times.
Of course, when fighting a non nuclear power, nuclear weapons are meaningless unless the UK intends to become a pariah state; Spain doesn't need to worry about nukes at all as the UK will never risk the immediate sanctions and interventions that would follow a nuclear first strike by an middle nation on a non nucleat country.
The Royal Gibraltar Regiment already garrisons Gibraltar, special forces and the SAS would simply be landed and parachuted in to support them and provide arms to the local population to fight guerrilla warfare against the Spanish invaders.
Nuclear weapons are only to be used to defend UK territory but of course Gibraltar is British territory
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?
Hell, can we even fire them without the US being able to flick the off switch whenever they want?
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.
But are happy to invade one of that country's territories.
BQ have said they won't work with anyone. NDP have said they won't work with the Conservatives. I assume PPC would work with the Conservatives. The most likely coalition is probably Lib + NDP + Grn. But on this forecast they're still short of a majority.
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar whatever the US did or did not say
I think tntry.
The Royal Gibraltar Regiment already garrisons Gibraltar, special forces and the SAS would simply be landed and parachuted in to support them and provide arms to the local population to fight guerrilla warfare against the Spanish invaders.
Nuclear weapons are only to be used to defend UK territory but of course Gibraltar is British territory
The po faced seriousness of discussing nuclear conflict with Spain rather reveals, I suspect, the mask of the parody slipping. And it was so convincing on other issues as well. Good japes though.
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar whatever the US did or did not say
I think the biggest problem would be landing these troops, tanks and special forces in Gibraltar in a theoretical UK/Spanish conflict. Although the UK has superior quantity and arguably quality when it comes to military resources, they would still need to transport them around the Iberian peninsula and then stage a naval invasion, which is tough at the best of times.
Of course, when fighting a non nuclear power, nuclear weapons are meaningless unless the UK intends to become a pariah state; Spain doesn't need to worry about nukes at all as the UK will never risk the immediate sanctions and interventions that would follow a nuclear first strike by an middle nation on a non nucleat country.
The Royal Gibraltar Regiment already garrisons Gibraltar, special forces and the SAS would simply be landed and parachuted in to support them and provide arms to the local population to fight guerrilla warfare against the Spanish invaders.
Nuclear weapons are only to be used to defend UK territory but of course Gibraltar is British territory
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar whatever the US did or did not say
I think the biggest problem would be landing these troops, tanks and special forces in Gibraltar in a theoretical UK/Spanish conflict. Although the UK has superior quantity and arguably quality when it comes to military resources, they would still need to transport them around the Iberian peninsula and then stage a naval invasion, which is tough at the best of times.
Of course, when fighting a non nuclear power, nuclear weapons are meaningless unless the UK intends to become a pariah state; Spain doesn't need to worry about nukes at all as the UK will never risk the immediate sanctions and interventions that would follow a nuclear first strike by an middle nation on a non nucleat country.
The Royal Gibraltar Regiment already garrisons Gibraltar, special forces and the SAS would simply be landed and parachuted in to support them and provide arms to the local population to fight guerrilla warfare against the Spanish invaders.
Nuclear weapons are only to be used to defend UK territory but of course Gibraltar is British territory
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
Here's what would happen: The US would tell us not to do it and any normal UK PM wouldn't. If we had a Filthy Piece of Toerag (Boris) as PM who was stupid enough to do it anyway then they would start a massive sensor jamming operation, degrade GPS and reset the UK's password to ALIS grounding the F35s.
This all radged. Do some of your British Army counter insurgency ops on Scotland stuff; it's more believable.
I did wonder about them pulling the fuses on the Lightnings!
But at least I have learnt something about a possible trip to Gib to see the fortifications and artillery:
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
Here's what would happen: The US would tell us not to do it and any normal UK PM wouldn't. If we had a Filthy Piece of Toerag (Boris) as PM who was stupid enough to do it anyway then they would start a massive sensor jamming operation, degrade GPS and reset the UK's password to ALIS grounding the F35s.
This all radged. Do some of your British Army counter insurgency ops on Scotland stuff; it's more believable.
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar whatever the US did or did not say
I think tntry.
The Royal Gibraltar Regiment already garrisons Gibraltar, special forces and the SAS would simply be landed and parachuted in to support them and provide arms to the local population to fight guerrilla warfare against the Spanish invaders.
Nuclear weapons are only to be used to defend UK territory but of course Gibraltar is British territory
The po faced seriousness of discussing nuclear conflict with Spain rather reveals, I suspect, the mask of the parody slipping. And it was so convincing on other issues as well. Good japes though.
Go on with you - you'll be telling us HYUFD is another SeanT persona next!
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
Here's what would happen: The US would tell us not to do it and any normal UK PM wouldn't. If we had a Filthy Piece of Toerag (Boris) as PM who was stupid enough to do it anyway then they would start a massive sensor jamming operation, degrade GPS and reset the UK's password to ALIS grounding the F35s.
This all radged. Do some of your British Army counter insurgency ops on Scotland stuff; it's more believable.
War with Spain. Marvellous. Is this before or after the partition of Northern Ireland and the annexation of the Scottish Borders. Or is it all happening at the same time?
I don't think Spain is going to be taking part in any wars when an election is about to take place at which the leading parties are probably going to receive no more than 20-25% of the vote.
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar whatever the US did or did not say
I think the biggest problem would be landing these troops, tanks and special forces in Gibraltar in a theoretical UK/Spanish conflict. Although the UK has superior quantity and arguably quality when it comes to military resources, they would still need to transport them around the Iberian peninsula and then stage a naval invasion, which is tough at the best of times.
Of course, when fighting a non nuclear power, nuclear weapons are meaningless unless the UK intends to become a pariah state; Spain doesn't need to worry about nukes at all as the UK will never risk the immediate sanctions and interventions that would follow a nuclear first strike by an middle nation on a non nucleat country.
The Royal Gibraltar Regiment already garrisons Gibraltar, special forces and the SAS would simply be landed and parachuted in to support them and provide arms to the local population to fight guerrilla warfare against the Spanish invaders.
Nuclear weapons are only to be used to defend UK territory but of course Gibraltar is British territory
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?
Hell, can we even fire them without the US being able to flick the off switch whenever they want?
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.
But are happy to invade one of that country's territories.
And withdrew after Maggie Thatcher had a firm word
War with Spain. Marvellous. Is this before or after the partition of Northern Ireland and the annexation of the Scottish Borders. Or is it all happening at the same time?
"Canadian writer Margaret Atwood and British author Bernardine Evaristo split the Booker Prize on Monday, after the judging panel ripped up the rule book and refused to name one winner for the prestigious fiction trophy.
Chairman Peter Florence said the five judges simply couldn't choose between Atwood's dystopian thriller The Testaments and Evaristo's kaleidoscope of black women's stories, Girl, Woman, Other."
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
Here's what would happen: The US would tell us not to do it and any normal UK PM wouldn't. If we had a Filthy Piece of Toerag (Boris) as PM who was stupid enough to do it anyway then they would start a massive sensor jamming operation, degrade GPS and reset the UK's password to ALIS grounding the F35s.
This all radged. Do some of your British Army counter insurgency ops on Scotland stuff; it's more believable.
So there is nothing they can do to stop a UK PM using whatever means necessary to protect British territory from invasion as a last resort
Why is this being discussed?
Half the point of being able to successfully defend your territory from invasion is to keep potential invaders guessing about what your response might be, all cards should be on the table as a last resort
War with Spain. Marvellous. Is this before or after the partition of Northern Ireland and the annexation of the Scottish Borders. Or is it all happening at the same time?
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?
Hell, can we even fire them without the US being able to flick the off switch whenever they want?
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.
But are happy to invade one of that country's territories.
And withdrew after Maggie Thatcher had a firm word
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?
Hell, can we even fire them without the US being able to flick the off switch whenever they want?
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.
But are happy to invade one of that country's territories.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
Here's what would happen: The US would tell us not to do it and any normal UK PM wouldn't. If we had a Filthy Piece of Toerag (Boris) as PM who was stupid enough to do it anyway then they would start a massive sensor jamming operation, degrade GPS and reset the UK's password to ALIS grounding the F35s.
This all radged. Do some of your British Army counter insurgency ops on Scotland stuff; it's more believable.
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode is made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
Which of course brings me back to my earlier question.
Is the Catalan airport demo a false flag operation for the beginning of a British attack on Spain?
Which is itself a false flag for Britain to weaken Spain allowing the Catalans to secede. It's all being driven by Gove, who is a deep undercover Scottish nationalist.
Worth noting that this result is very much in Bulgaria's interest. They'd probably make it into the playoffs anyway, but it's to their advantage that England and Czech Republic qualify directly rather than Kosovo.
I was going to suggest lumping on England earlier today, but I was slightly concerned that Bulgaria might not be aware of this and there was always the possibility that the game would be abandoned (not sure the betting implications if that had happened).
No side wants to lose 6-0. It is psychologically damaging
Cf: I'm not sure the Irish rugby team have recovered from their record-breaking summertime drubbing at Twickenham. Certainly, the Irish press keep referring to it: as a recurring nightmare.
True. It's a bit sad really. My earliest memory of international football was USA 94, and Bulgaria's victory against the Germans in the quarter final was fantastic. They've produced some excellent players over the years, but I don't recognize any of the names in their current squad.
USA 94 was the summer of my first job - a runner on the LIFFE floor. I had to put some bets on for the traders who weren’t allowed in the bookies with their company jackets on. One of them asked me what I fancied and I said ‘Brazil 3 vs Holland 2’ and ‘Bulgaria 2 vs Germany 1’... he said I might as well have a fiver double... but I put in the the fruit machine instead... 🙈
Only posted here a few times but lurked for a few years.
The degredation of discussion here is pretty depressing. I don't mean that in a "people are disagreeing" way but more in a "every time I check the comments someone is calling someone else something rude" way.
I'm not going to pretend I know how to rescue things but please could we have a few days to take a step back, recognise the person you're talking to on here isn't a treacherous fascist monster, and try to be decent to each other?
Off topic (the topic being war with Spain, apparently) I read some K-Pop star I've never heard of has been "found dead aged 25". And it got me wondering. If a famous 80-year-old passes away, it's Person X dies aged 80 but it's Person Y, 25, found dead
At what age do you stop being "found dead" and just die?
We have gate agents, but still no plane. And no more Kitkats.
Oh, and Delft is definitely worth a visit.
Night all.
Amazingly I heard of Delft for the first time about an hour ago, watching a BBC programme about a Dutch forger who sold his verMeer paintings to the Nazis.
Off topic (the topic being war with Spain, apparently) I read some K-Pop star I've never heard of has been "found dead aged 25". And it got me wondering. If a famous 80-year-old passes away, it's Person X dies aged 80 but it's Person Y, 25, found dead
At what age do you stop being "found dead" and just die?
We have gate agents, but still no plane. And no more Kitkats.
Oh, and Delft is definitely worth a visit.
Night all.
Amazingly I heard of Delft for the first time about an hour ago, watching a BBC programme about a Dutch forger who sold his verMeer paintings to the Nazis.
Delft is beautiful, and the Vermeer museum is worth the trip.
Off topic (the topic being war with Spain, apparently) I read some K-Pop star I've never heard of has been "found dead aged 25". And it got me wondering. If a famous 80-year-old passes away, it's Person X dies aged 80 but it's Person Y, 25, found dead
At what age do you stop being "found dead" and just die?
Average life expectancy or thereabouts I suppose - ie when it stops being a surprise.
Only posted here a few times but lurked for a few years.
The degredation of discussion here is pretty depressing. I don't mean that in a "people are disagreeing" way but more in a "every time I check the comments someone is calling someone else something rude" way.
I'm not going to pretend I know how to rescue things but please could we have a few days to take a step back, recognise the person you're talking to on here isn't a treacherous fascist monster, and try to be decent to each other?
Bit much to ask for the thread header writers not to comment below the line
If there is going to be no MV then Super Saturday is just another Johnson stunt. Saturday sittings cancel surgeries and constituency work. They are very inconvenient for MPs for areas well away from London. They are for emergencies.
If there is to be no MV Labour are quite right to block Super Saturday.
La La Land. He is sanctioning a NATO ally for doing what he invited them to do on Wednesday, and he is withdrawing American troops from a country where he says there are no American troops, and he is aiding the resurgence of a terror group that he simultaneously boasts about defeating, and he is sending American troops into the Mid East as he gloats about flying Mid East-based US troops home, and and and
It’s worth emphasizing, over and over, that the Turkish invasion wasn’t an unforeseen side effect of Trump’s withdrawal; it was an explicit part of the decision. The official statement that the White House released on Oct. 6 made this clear:
“Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria. The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial “Caliphate,” will no longer be in the immediate area.”
It’s also worth emphasising that total US casualties in the fight against IS were eight. For the Kurds, perhaps 11,000.
That is how Trump treats US allies.
And this is the man Boris wants to tie Britain to.
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?
Hell, can we even fire them without the US being able to flick the off switch whenever they want?
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.
But are happy to invade one of that country's territories.
Wasn't Grenada independent at the time?
Aye, independent in 1974, however QE2 is still monarch of Grenada sl it's part of the loose collection of commonwealth states under QE2 that make up a modern version of 'empire'
What is the worst thing about Boris's day today????.from the UK not wanting to criticise Turkey, to manipulating the queen for today's charade, to popping in such incendiary voter suppression measures, to the shocking populist home office (unworkable) proposals, to wrapping himself around the NHS..something he obviously doesn't give a flying fuck about....
What did we do to deserve Boris Johnson?
Refuse to deliver the Brexit 17 million voted for
We did not do anything @tyson. Remember: we did not vote for him.
If there is going to be no MV then Super Saturday is just another Johnson stunt. Saturday sittings cancel surgeries and constituency work. They are very inconvenient for MPs for areas well away from London. They are for emergencies.
If there is to be no MV Labour are quite right to block Super Saturday.
Yes, I agee. Labour have to be careful about not turning up though as you cannot trust BJ!
Seeing the police attacking protesters in Barcelona again is depressing. I was in Barcelona 2 years ago when the police attacked people hoping to vote and it was really frightening.
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
Thinking about it we should return Gibraltar and declare the Treaty of Utrecht void ab initio.
The UK could dismantle most of Europe in one stroke.
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
Morocco has and does demand annexation of Ceuta and Melilla. They are both constituent parts of the kingdom of Spain though unlike Gibraltar which is an overseas territory of the UK
What is the worst thing about Boris's day today????.from the UK not wanting to criticise Turkey, to manipulating the queen for today's charade, to popping in such incendiary voter suppression measures, to the shocking populist home office (unworkable) proposals, to wrapping himself around the NHS..something he obviously doesn't give a flying fuck about....
What did we do to deserve Boris Johnson?
Refuse to deliver the Brexit 17 million voted for
OK...what do you think about the sentencing measures for the Courts? Do you agree with them? I am curious
Oh goodie, I’m looking forward to hearing @HYUFD’s knowledge of the criminal justice system. This should be fun!
Off topic (the topic being war with Spain, apparently) I read some K-Pop star I've never heard of has been "found dead aged 25". And it got me wondering. If a famous 80-year-old passes away, it's Person X dies aged 80 but it's Person Y, 25, found dead
At what age do you stop being "found dead" and just die?
Average life expectancy or thereabouts I suppose - ie when it stops being a surprise.
It's about the same age that you no longer 'fall over' and but rather 'have a fall'.
Only posted here a few times but lurked for a few years.
The degredation of discussion here is pretty depressing. I don't mean that in a "people are disagreeing" way but more in a "every time I check the comments someone is calling someone else something rude" way.
I'm not going to pretend I know how to rescue things but please could we have a few days to take a step back, recognise the person you're talking to on here isn't a treacherous fascist monster, and try to be decent to each other?
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode is made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
Which of course brings me back to my earlier question.
Grenada was not British territory when Reagan invaded in 1983 after the PM was executed following a coup, it having gained independence in 1974 (though it was in the Commonwealth).
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
Morocco has and does demand annexation of Ceuta and Melilla. They are both constituent parts of the kingdom of Spain though unlike Gibraltar which is an overseas territory of the UK
Of course Morocco can whistle given their occupation of Western Sahara through which I have travelled. The last sizable territory not yet to receive suitable settlement in the post colonial era
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode is made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
Which of course brings me back to my earlier question.
Grenada was not British territory when Reagan invaded in 1983 after the PM was executed following a coup, it having gained independence in 1973 (though it was in the Commonwealth).
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
Morocco has and does demand annexation of Ceuta and Melilla. They are both constituent parts of the kingdom of Spain though unlike Gibraltar which is an overseas territory of the UK
I had never heard of them until some Russian told me about it as he had visited Ceuta , when i was on a recent trip. Maybe it does not register because it is of little interest to readers of UK media?
Only posted here a few times but lurked for a few years.
The degredation of discussion here is pretty depressing. I don't mean that in a "people are disagreeing" way but more in a "every time I check the comments someone is calling someone else something rude" way.
I'm not going to pretend I know how to rescue things but please could we have a few days to take a step back, recognise the person you're talking to on here isn't a treacherous fascist monster, and try to be decent to each other?
Yet I recall crystal clear in 2016 that people chortled at the literary waves of abuse from one writer below the line, who also used politicalbetting.com to fantasise about interning and/or deporting all British Muslims. So the golden age was a lie.
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
Morocco has and does demand annexation of Ceuta and Melilla. They are both constituent parts of the kingdom of Spain though unlike Gibraltar which is an overseas territory of the UK
I had never heard of them until some Russian told me about it as he had visited Ceuta , when i was on a recent trip. Maybe it does not register because it is of little interest to readers of UK media?
It's a weird quirk and hangover of the colonization of Africa. There are some military installations on islands off the coast which are strategically good compensation for not having Gibraltar
Only posted here a few times but lurked for a few years.
The degredation of discussion here is pretty depressing. I don't mean that in a "people are disagreeing" way but more in a "every time I check the comments someone is calling someone else something rude" way.
I'm not going to pretend I know how to rescue things but please could we have a few days to take a step back, recognise the person you're talking to on here isn't a treacherous fascist monster, and try to be decent to each other?
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode is made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
Which of course brings me back to my earlier question.
Grenada was not British territory when Reagan invaded in 1983 after the PM was executed following a coup, it having gained independence in 1974 (though it was in the Commonwealth).
Re: Absolute fucking drivel on the previous thread about a hypothetical UK/Spain armed conflict over which country's sailors get to frequent the Donkey's Flipflop in Gibraltar.
All of the "analysis" presented omits any mention of NAVSTA Rota. This is the strategic gateway to the Med and a very important USN base. There would therefore be no armed conflict in that area for the simple reason that the US would not permit it.
The US was neutral in the Falklands War and would be neutral in any UK Spain war if Spain invaded Gibraltar too
The Falklands were not contested on the figurative doorstep of a massive US naval base.
You'd better hope the US won't be neutral or your War of the Spanish Delusion won't be happening as British forces now have zero electronic warfare or air suppression capabilities. So there no possibility of autonomous expeditionary warfare against a peer military like Spain outside of a US led coalition.
The UK has more troops than Spain, more tanks than Spain, more aircraft carriers than Spain, better special forces than Spain and more nuclear submarines than Spain, including nuclear weapons which Spain does not have.
A Spanish invasion of Gibraltar would be met with the full force of the British military with victory to be achieved no matter what the cost.
Any US naval base would be untouched but beyond that British forces would take all actions necessary to liberate Gibraltar and would do so with or without US help
You really think the US are going to stand by and watch as we nuke Spain?
Hell, can we even fire them without the US being able to flick the off switch whenever they want?
The US can say what they want but they are not going to attack an ally and fellow UN Security Council permanent member and nuclear weapons power for defending itself from invasion.
But are happy to invade one of that country's territories.
La La Land. He is sanctioning a NATO ally for doing what he invited them to do on Wednesday, and he is withdrawing American troops from a country where he says there are no American troops, and he is aiding the resurgence of a terror group that he simultaneously boasts about defeating, and he is sending American troops into the Mid East as he gloats about flying Mid East-based US troops home, and and and
It’s worth emphasizing, over and over, that the Turkish invasion wasn’t an unforeseen side effect of Trump’s withdrawal; it was an explicit part of the decision. The official statement that the White House released on Oct. 6 made this clear:
“Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria. The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial “Caliphate,” will no longer be in the immediate area.”
It’s also worth emphasising that total US casualties in the fight against IS were eight. For the Kurds, perhaps 11,000.
That is how Trump treats US allies.
And this is the man Boris wants to tie Britain to.
That is like saying pro-Europeans want to tie us to fascists like Orban.
Suggestions that Johnson might try and get the Benn Act repealed by saying that a deal is close and that another EU summit will be taking place later in October .
If MPs fall for this then they must be mad . Even if a deal is sealed later in October there’s no time for the legislation and what if the talks fall apart with no agreed extension there’s nothing they could do .
Looks like the governments briefings on apparent loopholes in the Benn Act was as everyone thought just bluff and bluster and now their attempts are to dupe MPs into repealing the legislation.
La La Land. He is sanctioning a NATO ally for doing what he invited them to do on Wednesday, and he is withdrawing American troops from a country where he says there are no American troops, and he is aiding the resurgence of a terror group that he simultaneously boasts about defeating, and he is sending American troops into the Mid East as he gloats about flying Mid East-based US troops home, and and and
It’s worth emphasizing, over and over, that the Turkish invasion wasn’t an unforeseen side effect of Trump’s withdrawal; it was an explicit part of the decision. The official statement that the White House released on Oct. 6 made this clear:
“Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria. The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial “Caliphate,” will no longer be in the immediate area.”
It’s also worth emphasising that total US casualties in the fight against IS were eight. For the Kurds, perhaps 11,000.
That is how Trump treats US allies.
And this is the man Boris wants to tie Britain to.
That is like saying pro-Europeans want to tie us to fascists like Orban.
And the Spanish.
Except if we are in the EU we are literally tied to Orban and the Spaniards politically. Outside we are free to do as we please. We can elect a pro-American government or we could elect an anti-American or neutral or a take-each-as-it-comes or a we-hate-Trump-but-liked-Obama-and-could-live-with-Warren government.
Suggestions that Johnson might try and get the Benn Act repealed by saying that a deal is close and that another EU summit will be taking place later in October .
If MPs fall for this then they must be mad . Even if a deal is sealed later in October there’s no time for the legislation and what if the talks fall apart with no agreed extension there’s nothing they could do .
Looks like the governments briefings on apparent loopholes in the Benn Act was as everyone thought just bluff and bluster and now their attempts are to dupe MPs into repealing the legislation.
They could just amend the Benn act to take into account the date ot the second summit (which will presumably be announced on Thursday or Friday?) so Benn wouldn't kick in until 28th October (or whenever the second summit takes place)
Sort of on topic, my British license doesn't have a photo, it's a ragged old scrap of paper, IIRC with a validity date set for another twenty years away or so. Was I supposed to send it in and get it replaced with a piece of plastic with one of these new-fangled photographs?
As an oldie and a diabetic, I've just had to get medical approval to have my driving licence renewed. Had it not been renewed would I be disenfranchised as a consequence of being diabetic?
As an oldie and a diabetic, I've just had to get medical approval to have my driving licence renewed. Had it not been renewed would I be disenfranchised as a consequence of being diabetic?
Sort of on topic, my British license doesn't have a photo, it's a ragged old scrap of paper, IIRC with a validity date set for another twenty years away or so. Was I supposed to send it in and get it replaced with a piece of plastic with one of these new-fangled photographs?
I am a Muslim woman and don't have a driving licence nor a passport, would I be disenfranchised as a consequence. Is there wishful thinking at play here?
If Blackford is true to his word about no refernedum until there's been a general election then any attempt at a referendum on Saturday is a non-starter.
Con 288 + SNP 35 + DUP 10 + Labour MPs from Leave Seats 10 (conservative estimate) = NO 343
Suggestions that Johnson might try and get the Benn Act repealed by saying that a deal is close and that another EU summit will be taking place later in October .
If MPs fall for this then they must be mad . Even if a deal is sealed later in October there’s no time for the legislation and what if the talks fall apart with no agreed extension there’s nothing they could do .
Looks like the governments briefings on apparent loopholes in the Benn Act was as everyone thought just bluff and bluster and now their attempts are to dupe MPs into repealing the legislation.
They could just amend the Benn act to take into account the date ot the second summit (which will presumably be announced on Thursday or Friday?) so Benn wouldn't kick in until 28th October (or whenever the second summit takes place)
Far too late by then . How on earth can MPs pass the legislation for any deal in three days .
And if the talks fall apart then no time to enforce the Act .
I find it very sad to see that so many people on this forum are genuinely discussing the UK going to war with Spain. Yes, we could send our tanks over to retake Gibraltar and then play hit n run all the way to Madrid, but everybody knows whilst they're away Denmark would invade. They've been waiting a thousand year for the rematch, they aren't going to pass up the opportunity.
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
I know some of the wet lettuces on here are willing to weakly give up British territory without response but a proper PM with balls in the Maggie mode would be made of sterner stuff (as indeed was King Alfred when he beat off the Danes).
While the troops are re-taking Gibraltar, for strategic reasons the UK should annexe the small Spanish territory on the otherside of the Gibraltar straights in North Africa! It is funny, you never hear about Morocco claiming that enclave! Double standards by the Spanish!
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
Thinking about it we should return Gibraltar and declare the Treaty of Utrecht void ab initio.
The UK could dismantle most of Europe in one stroke.
Most of the rest of the Treaty of Utrecht is already void. We were forced to give up Menorca in a deal with the French.
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This all radged. Do some of your British Army counter insurgency ops on Scotland stuff; it's more believable.
Plus
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-america-doesnt-control-britains-nuclear-weapons/
Any talk of nuking Spain or the like is beyond the pale
And so another incident packed day to look forward to tomorrow
And so I wish you all a very good night's rest
But at least I have learnt something about a possible trip to Gib to see the fortifications and artillery:
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g187510-d3747895-r213796709-The_Horseshoe-Gibraltar.html
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-america-doesnt-control-britains-nuclear-weapons/
So there is nothing they can do to stop a UK PM using whatever means necessary to protect British territory from invasion as a last resort
Could all those wanting to die in a ditch report for service immediately. The rest of us will just die laughing.
"Canadian writer Margaret Atwood and British author Bernardine Evaristo split the Booker Prize on Monday, after the judging panel ripped up the rule book and refused to name one winner for the prestigious fiction trophy.
Chairman Peter Florence said the five judges simply couldn't choose between Atwood's dystopian thriller The Testaments and Evaristo's kaleidoscope of black women's stories, Girl, Woman, Other."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/margaret-atwood-booker-prize-bernardine-evaristo-1.5320701
And I for one welcome our new Danish overlords. God save the (other) queen!
Don’t tell me this isn’t the conversation around many dinner tables these days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3BO6GP9NMY
The degredation of discussion here is pretty depressing. I don't mean that in a "people are disagreeing" way but more in a "every time I check the comments someone is calling someone else something rude" way.
I'm not going to pretend I know how to rescue things but please could we have a few days to take a step back, recognise the person you're talking to on here isn't a treacherous fascist monster, and try to be decent to each other?
I read some K-Pop star I've never heard of has been "found dead aged 25". And it got me wondering. If a famous 80-year-old passes away, it's
Person X dies aged 80
but it's
Person Y, 25, found dead
At what age do you stop being "found dead" and just die?
And aren’t many octogenarian deaths witnessed ?
If there is to be no MV Labour are quite right to block Super Saturday.
There will be no war with Spain and the above is jest but true!
The UK could dismantle most of Europe in one stroke.
They are both constituent parts of the kingdom of Spain though unlike Gibraltar which is an overseas territory of the UK
With Con, SNP and Labour Remainers in Leave seats against a referendum it's difficult to see how that gets through?
The SNP could also be opening up a way for Boris get an election through with a one line bill?
If MPs fall for this then they must be mad . Even if a deal is sealed later in October there’s no time for the legislation and what if the talks fall apart with no agreed extension there’s nothing they could do .
Looks like the governments briefings on apparent loopholes in the Benn Act was as everyone thought just bluff and bluster and now their attempts are to dupe MPs into repealing the legislation.
Except if we are in the EU we are literally tied to Orban and the Spaniards politically. Outside we are free to do as we please. We can elect a pro-American government or we could elect an anti-American or neutral or a take-each-as-it-comes or a we-hate-Trump-but-liked-Obama-and-could-live-with-Warren government.
Con 288 + SNP 35 + DUP 10 + Labour MPs from Leave Seats 10 (conservative estimate) = NO 343
And if the talks fall apart then no time to enforce the Act .