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I’m not writing this from East Timor, West Timor or any previously undocumented part of Timor. Read my post. Also, that is bollocks, and you know it. He idea that the EU was responsible for the deaths is questionable, the figure of 400 million is laughable. The population of the whole of Indonesia is about 250m. Like I say, sober up. Or stop trolling.Byronic said:
So are you just gonna forget the EU palm oil subsidy war which killed possibly 400 million in West Timor? Convenient.DougSeal said:
The EU has not killed or physically hurt anyone here. Neither are they stopping us leaving. We are stopping us leaving. You are making yourself look like a fool. Calm down, sober up, or stop trolling. These WW2 metaphors are deeply insulting to the millions who actually died during that conflict.Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.0 -
Ah yes, Stephen Lloyd. Interesting case - will he stand again in the next GE? Will the LDs oppose him?justin124 said:
18 I believe plus the MP for Eastbourne.Benpointer said:How many MPs are the LDs on today? - I've lost count.
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Because they have had enough of us fucking about with their Project. They realise that if we stay by subterfuge, it will be a very short term measure, and PM Farage will soon be issuing Article 50 AGAIN, during which we will be a pain in the arse.kle4 said:
You keep suggesting this approach, but I'm none the wiser why the EU will say they will give no further extensions, particularly when some among them at least want us to change our minds and remain, and don't want to close the door to us. No deal vs deal would see deal win, but neither parliament nor the EU have a reason to be so obliging - the idea they are so irritated they will change their tune on this seems without foundation.MarqueeMark said:
1. Boris gets a deal - pretty much any deal - from the EUBenpointer said:
Brexit has to happen first - and frankly, I can't see the path to it anytime soon.CaptainBuzzkill said:
This is where remainers have hugely helped Boris.dixiedean said:
People rarely reward governments for things in the past though. Also, a number will be surprised it isn't finished. And some more that everything isn't instantly better.
Though I do agree the impetus to fight on will go from a great number.
The relentless predictions of guaranteed catastrophic doom in the event of the UK leaving will provide such a low bar of expectations that, unless the sky falls in, it will be perceived that the government has done a fantastic job.
Most remainers will probably not even want to mention the subject out of embarrassment at how wrong they were.
You will still get a tiny group claiming that Brexit is a disaster for the country because they can no longer source their favourite Italian vegan cat litter but they will be a rich seam for comedians in the future.
2. In return, the EU will give us no further extensions.
3. The vote becomes Boris's Deal or No Deal.
4. Given the Doom-fest they have made of No Deal, MPs have no choice but to take Boris's Deal.
All by 31st October.
They can at least make the risk of No Deal - and its attendant EU-wide recession - go away.0 -
It's just a wind-up. Best ignored.DougSeal said:
I’m not writing this from East Timor, West Timor or any previously undocumented part of Timor. Read my post. Also, that is bollocks, and you know it. He idea that the EU was responsible for the deaths is questionable, the figure of 400 million is laughable. The population of the whole of Indonesia is about 250m. Like I say, sober up. Or stop trolling.Byronic said:
So are you just gonna forget the EU palm oil subsidy war which killed possibly 400 million in West Timor? Convenient.DougSeal said:
The EU has not killed or physically hurt anyone here. Neither are they stopping us leaving. We are stopping us leaving. You are making yourself look like a fool. Calm down, sober up, or stop trolling. These WW2 metaphors are deeply insulting to the millions who actually died during that conflict.Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.1 -
Perhaps Corbyn will need to table a VNOC as soon as Parliament reassembles. If the EU can see that it stands a high probability of passing, they are unlikely to agree much with Johnson.Benpointer said:
Precisely. I can't see either 1. or 2. happening.MarqueeMark said:
1. Boris gets a deal - pretty much any deal - from he EUBenpointer said:
Brexit has to happen first - and frankly, I can't see the path to it anytime soon.CaptainBuzzkill said:
This is where remainers have hugely helped Boris.dixiedean said:
People rarely reward governments for things in the past though. Also, a number will be surprised it isn't finished. And some more that everything isn't instantly better.
Though I do agree the impetus to fight on will go from a great number.
The relentless predictions of guaranteed catastrophic doom in the event of the UK leaving will provide such a low bar of expectations that, unless the sky falls in, it will be perceived that the government has done a fantastic job.
Most remainers will probably not even want to mention the subject out of embarrassment at how wrong they were.
You will still get a tiny group claiming that Brexit is a disaster for the country because they can no longer source their favourite Italian vegan cat litter but they will be a rich seam for comedians in the future.
2. In return, the EU will give us no further extensions.
3. The vote becomes Boris's Deal or No Deal.
4. Given the Doom-fest they have made of No Deal, MPs have no choice but to take Boris's Deal.
All by 31st October.
I may be wrong of course, I get that. But I don't think so.0 -
More populism from Johnson.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/14/life-will-mean-life-child-killersboris-johnson-plans-tougher/0 -
18, they lost Lloyd and Lamb was 'semi detatched' a few months back, but hes gone very quiet, hes the only LD I think might support a deal if one is forthcomingBenpointer said:How many MPs are the LDs on today? - I've lost count.
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They are getting to the point where they will net lose MPs at the next election.ydoethur said:
Eighteen - up 50% on the election.Benpointer said:How many MPs are the LDs on today? - I've lost count.
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Don't be silly, any WA just means we enter the next phase of this interminable mess; it's not the end, it's just the end of the beginning.MarqueeMark said:
Because they have had enough of us fucking about with their Project. They realise that if we stay by subterfuge, it will be a very short term measure, and PM Farage will soon be issuing Article 50 AGAIN, during which we will be a pain in the arse.kle4 said:
You keep suggesting this approach, but I'm none the wiser why the EU will say they will give no further extensions, particularly when some among them at least want us to change our minds and remain, and don't want to close the door to us. No deal vs deal would see deal win, but neither parliament nor the EU have a reason to be so obliging - the idea they are so irritated they will change their tune on this seems without foundation.MarqueeMark said:
1. Boris gets a deal - pretty much any deal - from the EUBenpointer said:
Brexit has to happen first - and frankly, I can't see the path to it anytime soon.CaptainBuzzkill said:
This is where remainers have hugely helped Boris.dixiedean said:
People rarely reward governments for things in the past though. Also, a number will be surprised it isn't finished. And some more that everything isn't instantly better.
Though I do agree the impetus to fight on will go from a great number.
The relentless predictions of guaranteed catastrophic doom in the event of the UK leaving will provide such a low bar of expectations that, unless the sky falls in, it will be perceived that the government has done a fantastic job.
Most remainers will probably not even want to mention the subject out of embarrassment at how wrong they were.
You will still get a tiny group claiming that Brexit is a disaster for the country because they can no longer source their favourite Italian vegan cat litter but they will be a rich seam for comedians in the future.
2. In return, the EU will give us no further extensions.
3. The vote becomes Boris's Deal or No Deal.
4. Given the Doom-fest they have made of No Deal, MPs have no choice but to take Boris's Deal.
All by 31st October.
They can at least make the risk of No Deal - and its attendant EU-wide recession - go away.0 -
You don't think that the EU, like many remainers, assumes that it will all be hunky dory if we remain and it will not be a problem? I think their behaviour in allowing us an extension without a plan when they said we needed one shows they are not thinking ahead as much as you think they are. They are just taking the easy route out each time.MarqueeMark said:
Because they have had enough of us fucking about with their Project. They realise that if we stay by subterfuge, it will be a very short term measure, and PM Farage will soon be issuing Article 50 AGAIN, during which we will be a pain in the arse.kle4 said:
You keep suggesting this approach, but I'm none the wiser why the EU will say they will give no further extensions, particularly when some among them at least want us to change our minds and remain, and don't want to close the door to us. No deal vs deal would see deal win, but neither parliament nor the EU have a reason to be so obliging - the idea they are so irritated they will change their tune on this seems without foundation.MarqueeMark said:
1. Boris gets a deal - pretty much any deal - from the EUBenpointer said:
Brexit has to happen first - and frankly, I can't see the path to it anytime soon.CaptainBuzzkill said:
This is where remainers have hugely helped Boris.dixiedean said:
People rarely reward governments for things in the past though. Also, a number will be surprised it isn't finished. And some more that everything isn't instantly better.
Though I do agree the impetus to fight on will go from a great number.
The relentless predictions of guaranteed catastrophic doom in the event of the UK leaving will provide such a low bar of expectations that, unless the sky falls in, it will be perceived that the government has done a fantastic job.
Most remainers will probably not even want to mention the subject out of embarrassment at how wrong they were.
You will still get a tiny group claiming that Brexit is a disaster for the country because they can no longer source their favourite Italian vegan cat litter but they will be a rich seam for comedians in the future.
2. In return, the EU will give us no further extensions.
3. The vote becomes Boris's Deal or No Deal.
4. Given the Doom-fest they have made of No Deal, MPs have no choice but to take Boris's Deal.
All by 31st October.
They can at least make the risk of No Deal - and its attendant EU-wide recession - go away.0 -
OK. Fair enough.DougSeal said:
I’m not writing this from East Timor, West Timor or any previously undocumented part of Timor. Read my post. Also, that is bollocks, and you know it. He idea that the EU was responsible for the deaths is questionable, the figure of 400 million is laughable. The population of the whole of Indonesia is about 250m. Like I say, sober up. Or stop trolling.Byronic said:
So are you just gonna forget the EU palm oil subsidy war which killed possibly 400 million in West Timor? Convenient.DougSeal said:
The EU has not killed or physically hurt anyone here. Neither are they stopping us leaving. We are stopping us leaving. You are making yourself look like a fool. Calm down, sober up, or stop trolling. These WW2 metaphors are deeply insulting to the millions who actually died during that conflict.Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.
I may have overestimated the deaths of the EU palm subsidy war in West Timor, but do you accept it is near 10-15m? We can't just wash away atrocities like this, because they are committed by a polity you admire.
You also say the deaths are "questionable". WTF. No one denies Commisioner Huhneficker was implicated. This is absurd, and also really quite offensive to the poultry.0 -
Supposedly he's still a member of the party though not taking the whip in parliament. Bit annoying for him - when taking his stance he cannot have assumed we'd still not be out at this point!Benpointer said:
Ah yes, Stephen Lloyd. Interesting case - will he stand again in the next GE? Will the LDs oppose him?justin124 said:
18 I believe plus the MP for Eastbourne.Benpointer said:How many MPs are the LDs on today? - I've lost count.
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geoffw said:
Quite witty. 0 -
Cummings will have a whole raft of these sorts of populist proposals ready for the GE campaign.AndyJS said:
Labour need to be thinking hard about how they are going to respond to them because they will go down very well everywhere bar trendy metropolitan areas that the Tories would never win anyway.0 -
This so like a Sean T late at night after one too many bottles of expensive wine. Of course it's not because Byronic has told us so and we all believe himkle4 said:
I'm wary of suggesting peopple cannot really believe their own words, no matter how extreme, but come on, that's too silly to possibly be sincere.Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.0 -
Funny, but of course they are no longer Tories so it makes no sense unless all those voters who came to the SNP from other parties are not really SNP.Alistair said:0 -
https://twitter.com/hoitab/status/1172945172310740992?s=20Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.0 -
Onto Rule Britannia now anyway, with the singer waving the LGBT flag and Scottish saltires and EU flags a plenty in the audience alongside Union Jacks.
The Daily Mail tomorrow should be interesting!0 -
lol @ the sad Remainers lustily singing Rule Britannia.
Oops.0 -
There was an actual war on Timor, which I generously thought you were referring to, but I see now I am being baited by a passed up troll. Awesome.Byronic said:
OK. Fair enough.DougSeal said:
I’m not writing this from East Timor, West Timor or any previously undocumented part of Timor. Read my post. Also, that is bollocks, and you know it. He idea that the EU was responsible for the deaths is questionable, the figure of 400 million is laughable. The population of the whole of Indonesia is about 250m. Like I say, sober up. Or stop trolling.Byronic said:
So are you just gonna forget the EU palm oil subsidy war which killed possibly 400 million in West Timor? Convenient.DougSeal said:
The EU has not killed or physically hurt anyone here. Neither are they stopping us leaving. We are stopping us leaving. You are making yourself look like a fool. Calm down, sober up, or stop trolling. These WW2 metaphors are deeply insulting to the millions who actually died during that conflict.Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.
I may have overestimated the deaths of the EU palm subsidy war in West Timor, but do you accept it is near 10-15m? We can't just wash away atrocities like this, because they are committed by a polity you admire.
You also say the deaths are "questionable". WTF. No one denies Commisioner Huhneficker was implicated. This is absurd, and also really quite offensive to the poultry.0 -
It's SeanT in spoof mode, without a doubt.OllyT said:
This so like a Sean T late at night after one too many bottles of expensive wine. Of course it's not because Byronic has told us so and we all believe himkle4 said:
I'm wary of suggesting peopple cannot really believe their own words, no matter how extreme, but come on, that's too silly to possibly be sincere.Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.
It's been a good spoof @SeanT but we all prefer the real you.0 -
Someone's mirrored that photoHYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/hoitab/status/1172945172310740992?s=20Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.
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Britain used to rule the waves, now under Boris Johnson it is set to waive the rules (of law)Byronic said:lol @ the sad Remainers lustily singing Rule Britannia.
Oops.3 -
A big gain in what sense?ydoethur said:FPT
A big gain for the Yellows, but one with zero chance of holding his seat at a general election. You could put a donkey up in that seat and if it wore a blue rosette it would win. Heck, even Dominic Cummings would probably just scrape home.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Sam G now confirmed.El_Capitano said:
Sam Gyimah and Rosie Duffield both heavily rumoured, but no announcement yet.bigjohnowls said:Who defected??
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DougSeal said:
There was an actual war on Timor, which I generously thought you were referring to, but I see now I am being baited by a passed up troll. Awesome.Byronic said:
OK. Fair enough.DougSeal said:
I’m not writing this from East Timor, West Timor or any previously undocumented part of Timor. Read my post. Also, that is bollocks, and you know it. He idea that the EU was responsible for the deaths is questionable, the figure of 400 million is laughable. The population of the whole of Indonesia is about 250m. Like I say, sober up. Or stop trolling.Byronic said:
So are you just gonna forget the EU palm oil subsidy war which killed possibly 400 million in West Timor? Convenient.DougSeal said:
The EU has not killed or physically hurt anyone here. Neither are they stopping us leaving. We are stopping us leaving. You are making yourself look like a fool. Calm down, sober up, or stop trolling. These WW2 metaphors are deeply insulting to the millions who actually died during that conflict.Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.
I may have overestimated the deaths of the EU palm subsidy war in West Timor, but do you accept it is near 10-15m? We can't just wash away atrocities like this, because they are committed by a polity you admire.
You also say the deaths are "questionable". WTF. No one denies Commisioner Huhneficker was implicated. This is absurd, and also really quite offensive to the poultry.
You actually thought there was an EU PALM OIL SUBSIDY WAR WHICH KILLED POSSIBLY 400M IN WEST TIMOR, A REGION HITHERTO UNKNOWN TO HUMANKIND, EVEN THOUGH YOU WENT AND GOOGLED IT
Impressively dim. Really, really impressive. Possibly Pulitzer prize-winning dim
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The existing WA has a lengthy transition period during which the UK remains a full member of the SM and has to accept Freedom of Movement but has no say in any part of the EU's decision making process even though our financial obligations remain.HYUFD said:
Provided the Tories get a deal, ie without a GB backstop, then most voters bar a few No Deal and Brexit Party diehards will be happy with that. It likely takes a Tory majority free of the DUP to deliver it though
So in effect we wouldn't leave until perhaps 1/4/21. I imagine if you explain that to those who think we will actually leave completely on 31/10/19 you may not get the positive reaction you imagine.
That aspect of any WA has been kept under wraps deliberately by Boris and his supporters.0 -
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Wrong. Very wrong.Benpointer said:
Don't be silly, any WA just means we enter the next phase of this interminable mess; it's not the end, it's just the end of the beginning.
To the typical voter we will be out of the EU.
They will then be looking for a government that will fight hard for the UK's interests in trade negotiations.
At this point the remainers in Labour are going to finish off the party.0 -
Opinium poll gives Con 353 Lab 188 SNP 51 LibDem 32 using the latest UK-Elect software,0
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TRAGICHYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/hoitab/status/1172945172310740992?s=20Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.-1 -
We'll never know will we? Because it's not happening.CaptainBuzzkill said:
Wrong. Very wrong.Benpointer said:
Don't be silly, any WA just means we enter the next phase of this interminable mess; it's not the end, it's just the end of the beginning.
To the typical voter we will be out of the EU.
They will then be looking for a government that will fight hard for the UK's interests in trade negotiations.
At this point the remainers in Labour are going to finish off the party.0 -
The EU has been giving extension periods they have never extended the transition period it still ends dec 2020.stodge said:
The existing WA has a lengthy transition period during which the UK remains a full member of the SM and has to accept Freedom of Movement but has no say in any part of the EU's decision making process even though our financial obligations remain.HYUFD said:
Provided the Tories get a deal, ie without a GB backstop, then most voters bar a few No Deal and Brexit Party diehards will be happy with that. It likely takes a Tory majority free of the DUP to deliver it though
So in effect we wouldn't leave until perhaps 1/4/21. I imagine if you explain that to those who think we will actually leave completely on 31/10/19 you may not get the positive reaction you imagine.
That aspect of any WA has been kept under wraps deliberately by Boris and his supporters.0 -
you forgot the bit where Farage's mob then pick up their pitchforks and go on the "betrayal" "Bino" rampage and badly dent the Tory vote at the next GE. Sounds good to meMarqueeMark said:
1. Boris gets a deal - pretty much any deal - from the EUBenpointer said:
Brexit has to happen first - and frankly, I can't see the path to it anytime soon.CaptainBuzzkill said:
This is where remainers have hugely helped Boris.dixiedean said:
People rarely reward governments for things in the past though. Also, a number will be surprised it isn't finished. And some more that everything isn't instantly better.
Though I do agree the impetus to fight on will go from a great number.
The relentless predictions of guaranteed catastrophic doom in the event of the UK leaving will provide such a low bar of expectations that, unless the sky falls in, it will be perceived that the government has done a fantastic job.
Most remainers will probably not even want to mention the subject out of embarrassment at how wrong they were.
You will still get a tiny group claiming that Brexit is a disaster for the country because they can no longer source their favourite Italian vegan cat litter but they will be a rich seam for comedians in the future.
2. In return, the EU will give us no further extensions.
3. The vote becomes Boris's Deal or No Deal.
4. Given the Doom-fest they have made of No Deal, MPs have no choice but to take Boris's Deal.
All by 31st October.0 -
SHould have told that to the ERG!CaptainBuzzkill said:
Wrong. Very wrong.Benpointer said:
Don't be silly, any WA just means we enter the next phase of this interminable mess; it's not the end, it's just the end of the beginning.
To the typical voter we will be out of the EU.
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Yep it is classed as a Catagory 3 prohibited word by the Electoral Commission. That means it cannot be used in conjunction with any other party name or in a manner which might mislead. They specifically cite 'Independent' as an example in their 'Overview of names, descriptions and Emblems' - page 14.eek said:
Actual evidence of that? independent xxx candidates are allowed to stand literal democrats aren’t.Richard_Tyndall said:
According to EC rules they will not be allowed to.surbiton19 said:
Grieve will not defect. He is a Tory. And he will stand as an Independent Tory. So might Soubry.CaptainBuzzkill said:
I doubt 1 voter in 10 in Gyimah own constituency would know who he is never mind the wider public.IanB2 said:
Nevertheless a narrowing of the Tory tent of potential significance
He was part of Camerons failed experiment which has brought nothing but discord to the party.
The LD's will find out soon enough just what sort of politicians they are collecting once the likes of Gymiah, Soubry, Grieve etc arrive on their doorstep.
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Brexit will never happen you mean?Benpointer said:
We'll never know will we? Because it's not happening.0 -
It's funny isn't it... the very same people who were raging on here 9 months ago about May's deal are now lauding it as the way to save the Tories.kle4 said:
SHould have told that to the ERG!CaptainBuzzkill said:
Wrong. Very wrong.Benpointer said:
Don't be silly, any WA just means we enter the next phase of this interminable mess; it's not the end, it's just the end of the beginning.
To the typical voter we will be out of the EU.
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Why? I’m proud to be British and proud to be European what is wrong with that?Byronic said:
TRAGICHYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/hoitab/status/1172945172310740992?s=20Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.0 -
Probably not.CaptainBuzzkill said:
Brexit will never happen you mean?Benpointer said:
We'll never know will we? Because it's not happening.
But specifically I was referring to @MarqueeMark's sequence, and most specifically, his points 1 and 2.:MarqueeMark said:
1. Boris gets a deal - pretty much any deal - from the EU
2. In return, the EU will give us no further extensions.
3. The vote becomes Boris's Deal or No Deal.
4. Given the Doom-fest they have made of No Deal, MPs have no choice but to take Boris's Deal.
All by 31st October.0 -
Choose.nichomar said:
Why? I’m proud to be British and proud to be European what is wrong with that?Byronic said:
TRAGICHYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/hoitab/status/1172945172310740992?s=20Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.0 -
I think it was just taken using the front facing camera, it's quite common.Benpointer said:
Someone's mirrored that photoHYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/hoitab/status/1172945172310740992?s=20Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.0 -
I reckon this is spin to persuade the ERG to back a deal.
Remainer MPs are secretly plotting to revoke Article 50 and stop the UK leaving the European Union at the end of next month, the Government warned on Saturday night.
If no deal can be agreed with EU leaders by October, Downing Street sources say a “Remain alliance” of MPs in the Commons will try to force through new legislation to stop Brexit altogether.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/14/remainer-mps-planning-revoke-article-50/0 -
Nope.OllyT said:
you forgot the bit where Farage's mob then pick up their pitchforks and go on the "betrayal" "Bino" rampage and badly dent the Tory vote at the next GE. Sounds good to me
The next GE is then fought by the Tories on a manifesto of driving the best deal possible for the UK.
The LD's will be banging on about rejoining.
Labour will be setting up a circular firing squad to settle the argument about what their post-Brexit strategy should be.
Remainers are in for a horrific few months.0 -
Shouldn’t have toByronic said:
Choose.nichomar said:
Why? I’m proud to be British and proud to be European what is wrong with that?Byronic said:
TRAGICHYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/hoitab/status/1172945172310740992?s=20Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.0 -
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Without an election or a referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon this is spin to persuade the ERG to back a deal.
Remainer MPs are secretly plotting to revoke Article 50 and stop the UK leaving the European Union at the end of next month, the Government warned on Saturday night.
If no deal can be agreed with EU leaders by October, Downing Street sources say a “Remain alliance” of MPs in the Commons will try to force through new legislation to stop Brexit altogether.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/14/remainer-mps-planning-revoke-article-50/0 -
The WA transition can optionally be extended until dec 2022.ralphmalph said:
The EU has been giving extension periods they have never extended the transition period it still ends dec 2020.stodge said:
The existing WA has a lengthy transition period during which the UK remains a full member of the SM and has to accept Freedom of Movement but has no say in any part of the EU's decision making process even though our financial obligations remain.HYUFD said:
Provided the Tories get a deal, ie without a GB backstop, then most voters bar a few No Deal and Brexit Party diehards will be happy with that. It likely takes a Tory majority free of the DUP to deliver it though
So in effect we wouldn't leave until perhaps 1/4/21. I imagine if you explain that to those who think we will actually leave completely on 31/10/19 you may not get the positive reaction you imagine.
That aspect of any WA has been kept under wraps deliberately by Boris and his supporters.0 -
I remember the old dimwit's reaction when I told him the only place I had ever seen an S.K Tremayne book was in the bargain bin at my local Smith's where they were going for 10p each and not getting any takers.OllyT said:<
This so like a Sean T late at night after one too many bottles of expensive wine. Of course it's not because Byronic has told us so and we all believe him
I got a stream of the usual verbal diarrhoea and capital letters but then we've all had one of those on here over the years.0 -
So what, if Boris wins a general election in November the next general election will not be due until 2024, long past the end of the transition periodstodge said:
The existing WA has a lengthy transition period during which the UK remains a full member of the SM and has to accept Freedom of Movement but has no say in any part of the EU's decision making process even though our financial obligations remain.HYUFD said:
Provided the Tories get a deal, ie without a GB backstop, then most voters bar a few No Deal and Brexit Party diehards will be happy with that. It likely takes a Tory majority free of the DUP to deliver it though
So in effect we wouldn't leave until perhaps 1/4/21. I imagine if you explain that to those who think we will actually leave completely on 31/10/19 you may not get the positive reaction you imagine.
That aspect of any WA has been kept under wraps deliberately by Boris and his supporters.0 -
Yes, hurrah for a sovereign Parliament right?RobD said:
Without an election or a referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon this is spin to persuade the ERG to back a deal.
Remainer MPs are secretly plotting to revoke Article 50 and stop the UK leaving the European Union at the end of next month, the Government warned on Saturday night.
If no deal can be agreed with EU leaders by October, Downing Street sources say a “Remain alliance” of MPs in the Commons will try to force through new legislation to stop Brexit altogether.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/14/remainer-mps-planning-revoke-article-50/0 -
The remainer tantrum when we finally leave (this time round or in five or ten years) is going to be hilarious.1
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That's a consequence of the financial settlement. If you change the end date, you open up that can of worms.ralphmalph said:
The EU has been giving extension periods they have never extended the transition period it still ends dec 2020.stodge said:
The existing WA has a lengthy transition period during which the UK remains a full member of the SM and has to accept Freedom of Movement but has no say in any part of the EU's decision making process even though our financial obligations remain.HYUFD said:
Provided the Tories get a deal, ie without a GB backstop, then most voters bar a few No Deal and Brexit Party diehards will be happy with that. It likely takes a Tory majority free of the DUP to deliver it though
So in effect we wouldn't leave until perhaps 1/4/21. I imagine if you explain that to those who think we will actually leave completely on 31/10/19 you may not get the positive reaction you imagine.
That aspect of any WA has been kept under wraps deliberately by Boris and his supporters.
The solution is, and always has been, a phased approach over four or five years, which allows us to leave things like the CAP and CFP immediately, and with the Customs Union going last. In this way, you remove the need for the backstop as there's plenty of time to implement technology in Northern Ireland.0 -
Oh come on, it's rather sweet.Byronic said:
TRAGICHYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/hoitab/status/1172945172310740992?s=20Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.
And if there'd got off their arses about three years earlier, then the result might have been different 0 -
Hmm.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, hurrah for a sovereign Parliament right?RobD said:
Without an election or a referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon this is spin to persuade the ERG to back a deal.
Remainer MPs are secretly plotting to revoke Article 50 and stop the UK leaving the European Union at the end of next month, the Government warned on Saturday night.
If no deal can be agreed with EU leaders by October, Downing Street sources say a “Remain alliance” of MPs in the Commons will try to force through new legislation to stop Brexit altogether.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/14/remainer-mps-planning-revoke-article-50/0 -
He had a rant at me about my uterus once, after discovering that I was a teacher in a state school. Unsure as to how these two things were connected. Surely I win?stodge said:
I remember the old dimwit's reaction when I told him the only place I had ever seen an S.K Tremayne book was in the bargain bin at my local Smith's where they were going for 10p each and not getting any takers.OllyT said:<
This so like a Sean T late at night after one too many bottles of expensive wine. Of course it's not because Byronic has told us so and we all believe him
I got a stream of the usual verbal diarrhoea and capital letters but then we've all had one of those on here over the years.0 -
Last Night of the Proms: music = good, words = not so good.0
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With Chuka Umunna, Luciana Berger, Angela Smith etc there will soon be more Labour than LDs tooAlistair said:0 -
This guy is shit at speeches
Fitting for the last night of the last night of the proms. when we are still under the Brussels yoke.
Next year, we shall meet in Jerusalem, indeed.0 -
You're using common sense and a reasonable approach again, aren't you...rcs1000 said:
That's a consequence of the financial settlement. If you change the end date, you open up that can of worms.ralphmalph said:
The EU has been giving extension periods they have never extended the transition period it still ends dec 2020.stodge said:
The existing WA has a lengthy transition period during which the UK remains a full member of the SM and has to accept Freedom of Movement but has no say in any part of the EU's decision making process even though our financial obligations remain.HYUFD said:
Provided the Tories get a deal, ie without a GB backstop, then most voters bar a few No Deal and Brexit Party diehards will be happy with that. It likely takes a Tory majority free of the DUP to deliver it though
So in effect we wouldn't leave until perhaps 1/4/21. I imagine if you explain that to those who think we will actually leave completely on 31/10/19 you may not get the positive reaction you imagine.
That aspect of any WA has been kept under wraps deliberately by Boris and his supporters.
The solution is, and always has been, a phased approach over four or five years, which allows us to leave things like the CAP and CFP immediately, and with the Customs Union going last. In this way, you remove the need for the backstop as there's plenty of time to implement technology in Northern Ireland. 0 -
Who can blame them for sitting it out, they were taken in by The Bus.rcs1000 said:
Oh come on, it's rather sweet.Byronic said:
TRAGICHYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/hoitab/status/1172945172310740992?s=20Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.
And if there'd got off their arses about three years earlier, then the result might have been different0 -
And now they sing what should be played at sporting events in england1
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Voting to give up its sovereignty.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, hurrah for a sovereign Parliament right?RobD said:
Without an election or a referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon this is spin to persuade the ERG to back a deal.
Remainer MPs are secretly plotting to revoke Article 50 and stop the UK leaving the European Union at the end of next month, the Government warned on Saturday night.
If no deal can be agreed with EU leaders by October, Downing Street sources say a “Remain alliance” of MPs in the Commons will try to force through new legislation to stop Brexit altogether.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/14/remainer-mps-planning-revoke-article-50/
If they do that we should just burn the place down.0 -
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🇬🇧 ♥️ 🇪🇺Byronic said:
Choose.nichomar said:
Why? I’m proud to be British and proud to be European what is wrong with that?Byronic said:
TRAGICHYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/hoitab/status/1172945172310740992?s=20Byronic said:
Should you be allowed to wave, hoist or honour the EU flag in the UK?DougSeal said:
I think you need to have a lie down and think about the implication of that view.Byronic said:
It is the flag of our enemy, the ensign of a hostile power. As we execute Brexit. To me, waving it in the UK, at this juncture. is like waving the swastika during World War 2.
I accept others may be more tolerant, even now.1 -
How many Tories are there?
Swinson
Lloyd
Berger
Gyimah
Chukka
Smith1 -
On that basis you've still got many more than that in the Labour partybigjohnowls said:How many Tories are there?
Swinson
Lloyd
Berger
Gyimah
Chukka
Smith
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We're in it.ab195 said:The remainer tantrum when we finally leave (this time round or in five or ten years) is going to be hilarious.
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So Swinson is a "Tory" because she served in the coalition? In which case you need to add Lamb, Cable and Davey.bigjohnowls said:How many Tories are there?
Swinson
Lloyd
Berger
Gyimah
Chukka
Smith
And I guess Berger is a Tory, because she's not keen on antisemitism. And Chukka, because, well, because.0 -
Damn thats sad. Hopefully with current treatment he will remain healthy. I have huge admirstion for him both as a player and a man.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
"...May she defend our laws..."
You listening Boris?
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I'd love to see the wording of this question.
https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/11729858937261178880 -
May she defend our laws
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice
God save the Queen
(B)ironic0 -
Swing to LDs with Comres thenTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Nice to see rcs1000 confirm he’s more a PHB than one someone close to the technology.rcs1000 said:
That's a consequence of the financial settlement. If you change the end date, you open up that can of worms.ralphmalph said:
The EU has been giving extension periods they have never extended the transition period it still ends dec 2020.stodge said:
The existing WA has a lengthy transition period during which the UK remains a full member of the SM and has to accept Freedom of Movement but has no say in any part of the EU's decision making process even though our financial obligations remain.HYUFD said:
Provided the Tories get a deal, ie without a GB backstop, then most voters bar a few No Deal and Brexit Party diehards will be happy with that. It likely takes a Tory majority free of the DUP to deliver it though
So in effect we wouldn't leave until perhaps 1/4/21. I imagine if you explain that to those who think we will actually leave completely on 31/10/19 you may not get the positive reaction you imagine.
That aspect of any WA has been kept under wraps deliberately by Boris and his supporters.
The solution is, and always has been, a phased approach over four or five years, which allows us to leave things like the CAP and CFP immediately, and with the Customs Union going last. In this way, you remove the need for the backstop as there's plenty of time to implement technology in Northern Ireland.0 -
These polls are all over the place at the moment.TheScreamingEagles said:1 -
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Absolutely: incredibly brave, and utterly selfless. Him even saying it will cause him to be attacked, but will give hope and voice to thousands of others.Richard_Tyndall said:
Damn thats sad. Hopefully with current treatment he will remain healthy. I have huge admirstion for him both as a player and a man.TheScreamingEagles said:1 -
Such huge differences in the polls.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I love the way the Brexit sentiment on here swings ever more wildly from Leave to Remain and back these days.
It's like an election night betting odds tracker but running over days and weeks rather than hours and minutes.0 -
Looking very different from Opinium.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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Where’s HYUFD he might need the smelling salts !TheScreamingEagles said:
Seriously though there are some huge differences in the polling. No doubt the BBC Tory shills will make sure they report the best poll for them .1 -
Most woke Last Night of the Proms ever, Barry Manilow at Proms in the Park on Radio 2 was better before I turned over to BBC1.Byronic said:This guy is shit at speeches
Fitting for the last night of the last night of the proms. when we are still under the Brussels yoke.
Next year, we shall meet in Jerusalem, indeed.
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How many blaming the EU?HYUFD said:0 -
I doubt he'll be atacked much. In all honesty HIV/Aids is now in the category of manageable disease in most cases - very different from 10/20 years ago when it was pretty much a death sentence.ab195 said:
Absolutely: incredibly brave, and utterly selfless. Him even saying it will cause him to be attacked, but will give hope and voice to thousands of others.Richard_Tyndall said:
Damn thats sad. Hopefully with current treatment he will remain healthy. I have huge admirstion for him both as a player and a man.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Nope - revoke allows an election to occur and for us to then try to leave the EU a second time with an actual plan that the party in power supports and votes through.Richard_Tyndall said:
Voting to give up its sovereignty.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, hurrah for a sovereign Parliament right?RobD said:
Without an election or a referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon this is spin to persuade the ERG to back a deal.
Remainer MPs are secretly plotting to revoke Article 50 and stop the UK leaving the European Union at the end of next month, the Government warned on Saturday night.
If no deal can be agreed with EU leaders by October, Downing Street sources say a “Remain alliance” of MPs in the Commons will try to force through new legislation to stop Brexit altogether.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/14/remainer-mps-planning-revoke-article-50/
If they do that we should just burn the place down.
Leaving makes returning to the EU more difficult. If revoke / No Deal decision is required prior to a general election revoking is the saner option (and let’s be honest won’t do the BXP any harm).0 -
Well yeah, May tried basically the same thing, telling MPs if they did not vote for her deal we would no deal/remain respectively. It really cut down the ERG rebels to the genuine ones like Baker and Francois, rather than phony ones like Boris and JRM.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon this is spin to persuade the ERG to back a deal.
Remainer MPs are secretly plotting to revoke Article 50 and stop the UK leaving the European Union at the end of next month, the Government warned on Saturday night.
If no deal can be agreed with EU leaders by October, Downing Street sources say a “Remain alliance” of MPs in the Commons will try to force through new legislation to stop Brexit altogether.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/14/remainer-mps-planning-revoke-article-50/
But this also seems like the line they were planning to take assuming they could stop anti-no deal legislation, because without an extension revoke becomes much more viable right away.0 -
Sad to hear but I think treatment is better now than it was for the likes of Freddie MercuryTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
#ComedyResults 0
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People saying one of these polls is wrong are wrong.
At least one of those polls is wrong.2 -
The polls are very unhelpful now - hard to believe that they can all be correct when they are so different. There must be serious issues with methodology somewhere - this has gone on for a while now and it really is not good enough. I'm glad I don't gamble!0
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And what was the exact question asked - as I suspect it’s rather biased that result..Benpointer said:
How many blaming the EU?HYUFD said:0 -
Fault is an interesting word here, since someone might think remainer MPs are most responsible and be very pleased about that.HYUFD said:0 -
This is Britain's latest aircraft carrier, sailing into Nova Scotia
https://twitter.com/DarrenPlymouth/status/1172941116305551361?s=20
I find displays of military prowess quite vulgar. But.... hmm.... that is impressive. What a ship.0 -
If we revoke those in power will make sure we never have the chance to Leave again. They won't make the same mistake (as they see it) again. But of course you already know this.eek said:
Nope - revoke allows an election to occur and for us to then try to leave the EU a second time with an actual plan that the party in power supports and votes through.Richard_Tyndall said:
Voting to give up its sovereignty.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, hurrah for a sovereign Parliament right?RobD said:
Without an election or a referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon this is spin to persuade the ERG to back a deal.
Remainer MPs are secretly plotting to revoke Article 50 and stop the UK leaving the European Union at the end of next month, the Government warned on Saturday night.
If no deal can be agreed with EU leaders by October, Downing Street sources say a “Remain alliance” of MPs in the Commons will try to force through new legislation to stop Brexit altogether.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/14/remainer-mps-planning-revoke-article-50/
If they do that we should just burn the place down.
Leaving makes returning to the EU more difficult. If revoke / No Deal decision is required prior to a general election revoking is the saner option (and let’s be honest won’t do the BXP any harm).0 -
Night all - early night for me tonight, up early tomorrow to watch the mass launch of 70+ balloons at Longleat tomorrow morning.
Perfect weather forecast, it should be spectacular:
https://www.longleat.co.uk/whats-on/sky-safari
Night all - happy arguing! 0 -
Thank god.Richard_Tyndall said:
If we revoke those in power will make sure we never have the chance to Leave again. They won't make the same mistake (as they see it) again. But of course you already know this.eek said:
Nope - revoke allows an election to occur and for us to then try to leave the EU a second time with an actual plan that the party in power supports and votes through.Richard_Tyndall said:
Voting to give up its sovereignty.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, hurrah for a sovereign Parliament right?RobD said:
Without an election or a referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon this is spin to persuade the ERG to back a deal.
Remainer MPs are secretly plotting to revoke Article 50 and stop the UK leaving the European Union at the end of next month, the Government warned on Saturday night.
If no deal can be agreed with EU leaders by October, Downing Street sources say a “Remain alliance” of MPs in the Commons will try to force through new legislation to stop Brexit altogether.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/14/remainer-mps-planning-revoke-article-50/
If they do that we should just burn the place down.
Leaving makes returning to the EU more difficult. If revoke / No Deal decision is required prior to a general election revoking is the saner option (and let’s be honest won’t do the BXP any harm).0
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