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CONFIRMED: Sam Gyimah is defecting to the Lib Dems

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    First!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    FPT
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    El_Capitano said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Who defected??

    Sam Gyimah and Rosie Duffield both heavily rumoured, but no announcement yet.
    Sam G now confirmed.
    A big gain for the Yellows, but one with zero chance of holding his seat at a general election. You could put a donkey up in that seat and if it wore a blue rosette it would win. Heck, even Dominic Cummings would probably just scrape home.
  • Yellow_SubmarineYellow_Submarine Posts: 647
    FPT - The City of Manchester ( one borough ) had a referendum on whether to have a directly elected mayor run its council services. It was a binding referendum, they voted No and they didn't get a mayor. Andy Burnham is the Mayor of Greater Manchester ( ten boroughs ) and runs strategic services not mentropolitan borough ones. The ' they ignored the Manchester referendum result ' is a common misconception but it's basically untrue. Andy Burnham covers a vastly larger geographic area and has a completely different set of powers than the proposition on the referendum ballot paper.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    No surprise, he should have gone earlier now we can finally select a pro Brexit Tory candidate in East Surrey to replace him.

    Gyimah voted against the Withdrawal Agreement and to extend over the risk of No Deal, TSE take note being a diehard Remainer is not and never will be the definition of a 'One Nation Tory'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,724
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Foxy said:

    Good side the Canaries reserves...

    Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup..
    Permission to speak, sir! :)
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    HYUFD said:

    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP

    Errrrrr...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,724
    HYUFD said:

    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP

    Is Chukka not black enough for you?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Foxy said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Foxy said:

    Good side the Canaries reserves...

    Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup..
    Permission to speak, sir! :)
    Granted!

    OTBC!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    Yellows. Winning everywhere!
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    Decent Saturday night news.

    What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,003
    edited September 2019
    Fpt
    Not quite got the hang of banter.

    https://twitter.com/JWoodcockMP/status/1172930121214414848?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP

    Is Chukka not black enough for you?
    Oh forgot Chuka of course, apologies
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP

    Is Chukka not black enough for you?
    Chukka is mixed race by definition, for the record. But yeah he's pretty black.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Decent Saturday night news.

    What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???

    A diehard EUphile apparently according to TSE
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,724
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Foxy said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Foxy said:

    Good side the Canaries reserves...

    Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup..
    Permission to speak, sir! :)
    Granted!

    OTBC!
    I had layed the Man City win, but bottled it and cashed out :(
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP

    Is Chukka not black enough for you?
    No.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    There was short-term guy somewhere in Leicestershire IIRC. Dr F will know.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited September 2019
    I am with sam politically!

    We seem to be on course for one hell of a political bust up!

    Minus 3 is the govt majority before factoring in the whipless...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    HYUFD said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Decent Saturday night news.

    What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???

    A diehard EUphile apparently according to TSE
    Stop lying.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    How can he be "defecting" when he's already been thrown out? :D
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP

    Is Chukka not black enough for you?
    Oh forgot Chuka of course, apologies
    Also the former Leicester South MP elected at a by election.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HYUFD said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Decent Saturday night news.

    What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???

    A diehard EUphile apparently according to TSE
    Stop lying.
    Will you be giving him the Mark Reckless treatment? :D
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    The_Taxman said:

    I am with sam politically!

    We seem to be on course for one hell of a political bust up!

    Minus 3 is the govt majority before factoring in the whipless...

    Minus 1 given that Elphicke is really still a Tory.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    GIN1138 said:

    How can he be "defecting" when he's already been thrown out? :D

    BJ is f*cked! No viable majority even illness is not going to stop him...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    Wow - go Sam!


    Is there a Labour defector as well?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,724
    OldKingCole said:

    There was short-term guy somewhere in Leicestershire IIRC. Dr F will know.

    Gill was a Sikh, and took Leics South in a byelection.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Decent Saturday night news.

    What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???

    Unclear. It ranges from the 'just not a Boris fan' to 'actually a LD'.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HYUFD said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Decent Saturday night news.

    What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???

    A diehard EUphile apparently according to TSE
    Stop lying.
    Will you be giving him the Mark Reckless treatment? :D
    No, because he didn't defect at the start of the Tory conference and tried to get others to join him during David Cameron's speech a few days later.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    It would be funny if the Lib Dems overtake the SNP.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    I couldn't be less bothered if I tried.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    Wollaston and Lee and Gyimah now gone (with Soubry and Allen in CUK), just got Grieve, Greening and Bebb to go LD and the Tories will finally be diehard Remainer free! Hooray!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,903
    The political party realignment continues
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060
    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1172940206443520002?s=20
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HYUFD said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Decent Saturday night news.

    What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???

    A diehard EUphile apparently according to TSE
    Stop lying.
    Will you be giving him the Mark Reckless treatment? :D
    No, because he didn't defect at the start of the Tory conference and tried to get others to join him during David Cameron's speech a few days later.
    :D
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    So that's 3 former Labour MPs and 3 former Con MPs joined? Good balance, best hold off another Labour defector until another Tory one is lined up.
  • oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    I'm not a Thatcherite, but boy has she been proved right in her claim that those self-defining as "One Nation Conservatives" in the modern era are more properly described as "No Nation Conservatives". Time to reform the Pro Euro Conservative Party, lads.
  • nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    edited September 2019
    Foxy said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Foxy said:

    Good side the Canaries reserves...

    Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup..
    Permission to speak, sir! :)
    Canaries reserves......you mean the libdem defectors?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    There was short-term guy somewhere in Leicestershire IIRC. Dr F will know.
    justin124 said:

    The_Taxman said:

    I am with sam politically!

    We seem to be on course for one hell of a political bust up!

    Minus 3 is the govt majority before factoring in the whipless...

    Minus 1 given that Elphicke is really still a Tory.
    When is he going to Crown Court?

    And I’m losing count/the will to live. How many Tory MP’s are either up before the beak or thrown out of the Party. Or both!

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited September 2019
    tlg86 said:

    It would be funny if the Lib Dems overtake the SNP.

    Nicola!!!!! :D
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    kle4 said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Decent Saturday night news.

    What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???

    Unclear. It ranges from the 'just not a Boris fan' to 'actually a LD'.
    I remember the term being bandied about in the time of Major; so it's been around for a while. I just wondered if anyone had a working definition, it is a Saturday night after all.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    oldpolitics said:

    I'm not a Thatcherite, but boy has she been proved right in her claim that those self-defining as "One Nation Conservatives" in the modern era are more properly described as "No Nation Conservatives". Time to reform the Pro Euro Conservative Party, lads.

    No need, the LDs already do the job for them
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    Wollaston and Lee and Gyimah now gone (with Soubry and Allen in CUK), just got Grieve, Greening and Bebb to go LD and the Tories will finally be diehard Remainer free! Hooray!

    You are rather a sad individual who supports the destruction of the party you joined and worked to get elected. The modern day party is not even brexit party lite
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Can't accuse all the defectors for trying to make easier for themselves to keep a seat, given how large their former party majorities are.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,003
    And another banter fail.

    https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1172925320988647424?s=20

    Narrator: yes reader, he deleted that tweet.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    edited September 2019
    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP

    Is Chukka not black enough for you?
    Oh forgot Chuka of course, apologies
    Also the former Leicester South MP elected at a by election.
    He was British Asian though I believe
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    His seat looks somewhat safe for the Tories. There are going to be a lot of interesting races at the next election.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,724
    nunuone said:

    Foxy said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Foxy said:

    Good side the Canaries reserves...

    Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup..
    Permission to speak, sir! :)
    Canaries reserves......you mean the libdem defectors?
    I did mean the footy, but it does fit for our fifth column too B)
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Well when he goes the average IQ Oof the party will fall to about 90
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,724
    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    kle4 said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Decent Saturday night news.

    What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???

    Unclear. It ranges from the 'just not a Boris fan' to 'actually a LD'.
    I remember the term being bandied about in the time of Major; so it's been around for a while. I just wondered if anyone had a working definition, it is a Saturday night after all.
    The One Nation group had about a third of the Parliamentary Conservative Party. Not that all are still in it, but it is a big pool to fish in.
  • Yellow_SubmarineYellow_Submarine Posts: 647
    The other useful thing about council Mayoral referendums is their maximum frequency is set in law. You have to wait seven years before calling another mayoral referendum to reverse the result of the last one. If that was the case with EUref2 and Indyref2 things would be much clearer. Seven years is also the maximum frequency for border polls in the GFA.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Maybe Gyimah has been promised an inner London seat.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,883
    Gyimah, Gyimah, Gyimah a man after midnight!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    edited September 2019
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Well when he goes the average IQ Oof the party will fall to about 90
    That is not that far from the average IQ of the average voter so no harm electorally there, better a Leaver Tory MP of average intelligence who respects democracy and the party's core vote than a diehard Remainer Tory MP like Grieve of high intelligence who has contempt for a democratic vote and the party's core voters
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    Foxy said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    kle4 said:

    JBriskinindyref2 said:

    Decent Saturday night news.

    What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???

    Unclear. It ranges from the 'just not a Boris fan' to 'actually a LD'.
    I remember the term being bandied about in the time of Major; so it's been around for a while. I just wondered if anyone had a working definition, it is a Saturday night after all.
    The One Nation group had about a third of the Parliamentary Conservative Party. Not that all are still in it, but it is a big pool to fish in.
    Yes, but what the fuck does it mean? Is it like interchangeable with Wet?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653
    Interesting niche fact - Jo Johnson and Sam Gyimah both held the IP Minister portfolio. With that in mind, keep an eye on Chris Skidmore, who got the job earlier this week.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914
    oxfordsimon said:

    I couldn't be less bothered if I tried.

    Surprised you bothered to tell us that.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    surbiton19 said:

    11% of Liberal Democrat MPs are black. And people used to say barely a month ago they had no MPs from the ethnic minorities. That's a rapid improvement. How did they do it ?

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Well when he goes the average IQ Oof the party will fall to about 90
    That is not that far from the average IQ of the average voter so no harm electorally there, better a Leaver Tory MP of average intelligence who respects democracy and the party's core vote than a diehard Remainer Tory MP like Grieve of high intelligence who has contempt for a democratic vote and the party's core voters
    You want a government full of thickos?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wollaston and Lee and Gyimah now gone (with Soubry and Allen in CUK), just got Grieve, Greening and Bebb to go LD and the Tories will finally be diehard Remainer free! Hooray!

    You are rather a sad individual who supports the destruction of the party you joined and worked to get elected. The modern day party is not even brexit party lite
    No, those who want to destroy the party were those like Gyimah and Grieve who voted against May's agreement and forced her to extend Article 50 leading to the loss of over 1000 Tory councillors in the local elections and the Tories falling to just 9% of the vote in the European elections in May
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!

    HYUFD now supports the LibDems .... :sunglasses:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Well when he goes the average IQ Oof the party will fall to about 90
    That is not that far from the average IQ of the average voter so no harm electorally there, better a Leaver Tory MP of average intelligence who respects democracy and the party's core vote than a diehard Remainer Tory MP like Grieve of high intelligence who has contempt for a democratic vote and the party's core voters
    I thought I was beyond being shocked, but I am still amazed that you decided to respond to a crack about the intelligence of Tory MPs not by disputing it, but by accepting the premise of the insult and turning it into a positive. Bravo, indeed.
  • CaptainBuzzkillCaptainBuzzkill Posts: 335
    The Tories really are managing to palm off the dross in the party to the LD's.

    Come on Grieve...off you trot to obscurity.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    edited September 2019
    Gallowgate said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Well when he goes the average IQ Oof the party will fall to about 90
    That is not that far from the average IQ of the average voter so no harm electorally there, better a Leaver Tory MP of average intelligence who respects democracy and the party's core vote than a diehard Remainer Tory MP like Grieve of high intelligence who has contempt for a democratic vote and the party's core voters
    You want a government full of thickos?
    Only loyal thickos!

    Are the intelligentsia already a part of the enemy of the people along with judges?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    I believe Gill later switched to Labour.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wollaston and Lee and Gyimah now gone (with Soubry and Allen in CUK), just got Grieve, Greening and Bebb to go LD and the Tories will finally be diehard Remainer free! Hooray!

    You are rather a sad individual who supports the destruction of the party you joined and worked to get elected. The modern day party is not even brexit party lite
    No, those who want to destroy the party were those like Gyimah and Grieve who voted against May's agreement and forced her to extend Article 50 leading to the loss of over 1000 Tory councillors in the local elections and the Tories falling to just 9% of the vote in the European elections in May
    And Johnson?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    edited September 2019
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Best not, I would think paying for a LD membership, even if not for yourself, is grounds for expulsion from the Conservative Party.

    Edit: I see JackW had the same thought.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    Gallowgate said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Well when he goes the average IQ Oof the party will fall to about 90
    That is not that far from the average IQ of the average voter so no harm electorally there, better a Leaver Tory MP of average intelligence who respects democracy and the party's core vote than a diehard Remainer Tory MP like Grieve of high intelligence who has contempt for a democratic vote and the party's core voters
    You want a government full of thickos?
    I want a government full of those who actually prefer to respect what the party's voters want and the Leave vote 17 million voted for.

    I would obviously prefer a Cabinet full of Oxbridge double first Boris loyalists but to be honest any Boris loyalists would be better than a diehard Remainer no matter how high their IQ
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,878
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP

    Is Chukka not black enough for you?
    Oh forgot Chuka of course, apologies
    I must admit, so did I. Hell of a fall from five years ago when he was seen as the next Labour leader.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    Exciting time to be a Liberal Democrat.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Who is the third Labour defector? Chuka - Smith - and ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    CaptainBuzzkill said:

    The Tories really are managing to palm off the dross in the party to the LD's.

    Come on Grieve...off you trot to obscurity.

    Nevertheless a narrowing of the Tory tent of potential significance
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!

    HYUFD now supports the LibDems .... :sunglasses:
    Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think not
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2019
    There were rumours yesterday that he might stand against Michael Gove in Surrey Heath.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    FF43 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wollaston and Lee and Gyimah now gone (with Soubry and Allen in CUK), just got Grieve, Greening and Bebb to go LD and the Tories will finally be diehard Remainer free! Hooray!

    You are rather a sad individual who supports the destruction of the party you joined and worked to get elected. The modern day party is not even brexit party lite
    No, those who want to destroy the party were those like Gyimah and Grieve who voted against May's agreement and forced her to extend Article 50 leading to the loss of over 1000 Tory councillors in the local elections and the Tories falling to just 9% of the vote in the European elections in May
    And Johnson?
    One Johnson joined the TIGs. Didn't she ? So it is a matter of time.
    The serious question is where will Alexander Johnson stand in the elections from ?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Very unlikely that Bebb returns to Tory ranks - which effectively would make it minus 3.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!

    HYUFD now supports the LibDems .... :sunglasses:
    Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think not
    You'd still be paying money into the LD coffers, thus helping them fight the Tories nationally!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,883
    HYUFD said:

    diehard Remainer

    "Hey, babe, I negotiate million dollar deals for breakfast! I think I can handle this Eurotrash!"
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,903
    Glad to see HYUFD has also drunk the Momentum Kool-Aid. Clearly fucking off a good chunk of your sitting MPs and the people who support them and the entire long standing ethos behind them is a winning strategy.

    A world where the old Tory and Labour parties self expel the sane one and leave the dying embers to the batshit crazies. Fun times under FPTP
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Best not, I would think paying for a LD membership, even if not for yourself, is grounds for expulsion from the Conservative Party.

    Edit: I see JackW had the same thought.
    HYUFD is a modern Tory. He prefers to use cash for such transactions.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Well when he goes the average IQ Oof the party will fall to about 90
    That is not that far from the average IQ of the average voter so no harm electorally there, better a Leaver Tory MP of average intelligence who respects democracy and the party's core vote than a diehard Remainer Tory MP like Grieve of high intelligence who has contempt for a democratic vote and the party's core voters
    I thought I was beyond being shocked, but I am still amazed that you decided to respond to a crack about the intelligence of Tory MPs not by disputing it, but by accepting the premise of the insult and turning it into a positive. Bravo, indeed.
    I believe it was the conservative author and commentator William F Buckley Jnr who said "I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University."
  • CaptainBuzzkillCaptainBuzzkill Posts: 335
    IanB2 said:


    Nevertheless a narrowing of the Tory tent of potential significance

    I doubt 1 voter in 10 in Gyimah own constituency would know who he is never mind the wider public.

    He was part of Camerons failed experiment which has brought nothing but discord to the party.

    The LD's will find out soon enough just what sort of politicians they are collecting once the likes of Gymiah, Soubry, Grieve etc arrive on their doorstep.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    TheValiant said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP

    Is Chukka not black enough for you?
    Oh forgot Chuka of course, apologies
    I must admit, so did I. Hell of a fall from five years ago when he was seen as the next Labour leader.
    Chuka may yet be the next LD leader instead
  • CaptainBuzzkillCaptainBuzzkill Posts: 335
    Gallowgate said:


    You want a government full of thickos?

    Nobody wants that...why do you think Labour's polling is so low.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!

    HYUFD now supports the LibDems .... :sunglasses:
    Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think not
    What is the definition of a proper Tory MP ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    edited September 2019
    HYUFD said:

    TheValiant said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP

    Is Chukka not black enough for you?
    Oh forgot Chuka of course, apologies
    I must admit, so did I. Hell of a fall from five years ago when he was seen as the next Labour leader.
    Chuka may yet be the next LD leader instead
    After PM Swinson?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    TheValiant said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP

    Is Chukka not black enough for you?
    Oh forgot Chuka of course, apologies
    I must admit, so did I. Hell of a fall from five years ago when he was seen as the next Labour leader.
    Chuka may yet be the next LD leader instead
    After PM Swinson?
    After PM Boris, it maybe First Minister Swinson
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    TheValiant said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP

    Is Chukka not black enough for you?
    Oh forgot Chuka of course, apologies
    I must admit, so did I. Hell of a fall from five years ago when he was seen as the next Labour leader.
    Chuka may yet be the next LD leader instead
    Just like he was going to stand in twickenham
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!

    HYUFD now supports the LibDems .... :sunglasses:
    Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think not
    What is the definition of a proper Tory MP ?
    One who will deliver Brexit, Deal or No Deal
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    edited September 2019
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!

    HYUFD now supports the LibDems .... :sunglasses:
    Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think not
    What is the definition of a proper Tory MP ?
    Supports Boris (it's not about loyalty to the party given the history JRM, Baker and, well, Boris. Oh wait I forget, their rebellions aren't as bad). Adopts the same policy as the Brexit Party (nothing more Tory than voting Brexit Party).
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2019
    It's a pity Lord Ashcroft isn't doing his constituency polls because it would be interesting to see polling in the seats of these defecting MPs.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    CaptainBuzzkill said:

    IanB2 said:


    Nevertheless a narrowing of the Tory tent of potential significance

    I doubt 1 voter in 10 in Gyimah own constituency would know who he is never mind the wider public.

    He was part of Camerons failed experiment which has brought nothing but discord to the party.

    The LD's will find out soon enough just what sort of politicians they are collecting once the likes of Gymiah, Soubry, Grieve etc arrive on their doorstep.
    Grieve will not defect. He is a Tory. And he will stand as an Independent Tory. So might Soubry.
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!

    HYUFD now supports the LibDems .... :sunglasses:
    Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think not
    What is the definition of a proper Tory MP ?
    Shires, backs Boris; something about tax
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,903
    edited September 2019
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!

    HYUFD now supports the LibDems .... :sunglasses:
    Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think not
    What is the definition of a proper Tory MP ?
    One who supports policies which are neither Conservative nor Unionist of course
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.

    I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myself
    Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!

    HYUFD now supports the LibDems .... :sunglasses:
    Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think not
    What is the definition of a proper Tory MP ?
    One who will deliver Brexit, Deal or No Deal
    Do you not ever get bored of this rubbish?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,151
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    TheValiant said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP

    Is Chukka not black enough for you?
    Oh forgot Chuka of course, apologies
    I must admit, so did I. Hell of a fall from five years ago when he was seen as the next Labour leader.
    Chuka may yet be the next LD leader instead
    Just like he was going to stand in twickenham
    He is standing in Westminster I believe, which the LDs also won in the European elections
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    HYUFD said:

    Wollaston and Lee and Gyimah now gone (with Soubry and Allen in CUK), just got Grieve, Greening and Bebb to go LD and the Tories will finally be diehard Remainer free! Hooray!

    Soon your colleagues will be sending you the Black Spot as the only remainer left in the village...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    HYUFD said:

    diehard Remainer

    "Hey, babe, I negotiate million dollar deals for breakfast! I think I can handle this Eurotrash!"
    I’ve got a defection, ho ho ho.
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