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  • Owen jones is organizing a stop the coup rally...kinda of ironic given his involvement in Venezuelan elections.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    Getting him and the Spartans on board was never viable. The DUP and or 15 or so labour were needed.
    Doesnt Look good unless the EU cave. I wont hold my breath.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Boris is clearly a believer in the Divine Rights Of Kings. He always said he wanted to be World King.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,886
    HYUFD said:

    Boris of course ideally wants the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop to pass the Commons by October 31st with EU agreement.

    Otherwise he will go to No Deal but the Commons likely VONCs him then and forces a general election and asks the EU for an extension until polling day, Boris will not ask for any extension but have to accept it until polling day if the Commons votes for it but he would still campaign for No Deal on that scenario if he wins the election
    Problem with that is, Redwood just joined the growing crowd who won't accept the non backstop WA. And Boris just greatly reduced the largely mythical opposition votes for it.
  • Foxy said:

    The idea that the Tory government didn't listen to retired people across Shire England is a keeper!

    Xenophobes will xenophobe and will always deny they are such.

  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,334
    edited August 2019

    218,141 :)

    Another 10,000 in the last 6 minutes... 228.785 :-)
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    Meanwhile, not much sign of the wobbly Eurocrats caving in this tweet:

    https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier/status/1166694674251309056

    Lol

    What did you actually expect him to do? Rend his garments, gnash his teeth, make burnt offerings to the Lord Boris, petitioning Bojo with prayer to spare us His hard Brexit?
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,705

    They did not promise to enact the referendum result by an arbitrary deadline.
    They did, as it was set in Article 50 at 2 years
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,963

    Presumably the assessment of reasons would be on a balance of probabilities? On the one hand, a lot of weight would be given to the government's assertions, simply by being the government. On the other hand, it does all look inexplicable in terms of immediate timing. Your explanation does not explain why in September/October rather than November/December.
    Balance of probabilities determines whether someone has a prima facie case or not but for interdict the key question is normally where the balance of harm lies in the event of the order being granted or not. In this case I have no doubt that the petitioners will be arguing that there would be irredeemable harm if the order is not granted and some inconvenience to the government if it is not. I think it would be quite hard to argue that the balance of harm did not favour the petitioners.

    Whether they meet the prima facie case test is more problematic but in this particular process they might argue that they have already got over that hurdle because they have already passed the sift which is designed to weed out unmeritorious applications and they have been allowed a full hearing.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,538
    Cicero said:

    Another 10,000 in the last 6 minutes... 228.785 :-)
    It's about to overtake the "Leave the EU Without a deal on April 12th" petition.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    edited August 2019
    Boris might fail in what he's doing. He might yet make (even more of) a complete tit of himself. But I like that he's bringing the whole thing to showdown.

    Most MPs are Remainers and many of them have been tacitly involved in spiking Brexit, hoping no conclusion will drift on interminably. Many Brexit MPs have been holding on for unicorns. They are both as bad as one another. One side won't admit their real intention to Remain, the other side won't admit that they were wrong about the sunlit uplands.

    Ultimately, there have only ever been four choices:

    1. Leave with a Deal
    2. Leave with No Deal
    3. Hold a 2nd Referendum
    4. Ignore the result and Remain

    1 has proven to be impossible given current parliamentary arithmetic (caused by` May and used cunningly by Remainers), because there is no deal the EU will offer that can get through parliament. 4 would probably cause a civil war, so few countenance it. Which leaves options 2 and 3.

    I'd support 2 and 3 to bring an end to this whole sorry mess. MPs can only really support one or the other. But most have been too gutless to stick their neck out for either, and have weaselly allowed the thing to drift endlessly, probably so they can cling on to their seats and privileges until a GE2022.

    Well fuck that, Boris is at least bringing it to a crunch and forcing MPs to make a choice.

    It might fail but good on him.

    ps -it's why I have admiration rather than disdain for the likes of Grieve. At least he has publicly stuck his neck out for a policy he knows half the population will hate him for.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,137

    Xenophobes will xenophobe and will always deny they are such.

    Life imitating art

    https://twitter.com/titaniamcgrath/status/1165267366093172736?s=21
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,071
    PClipp said:

    I think Sir John Major is a bit older and wiser now.

    And the bastards are in the ascendent.
    And they're no longer in the tent pissing out, but atop the Elizabeth Tower pissing down on Parliament and the whole country.
  • Vernon Bogdanor on the radio saying comparisons with "Charles I or James I" is nonsense..
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,010
    edited August 2019
    Corbyn was absolutely right to write to the Queen. Today is a gift for him. Johnson has given him the best chance he will ever have of reviving the 2017 Labour voting coalition, with some added LibDem gains in the south on top.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,963
    justin124 said:

    How long would a prorogation have to be before the Courts would hold it to be unreasonable? Six months?
    Honestly no idea. There is no precedent that I am aware of.
  • eristdoof said:

    And they're no longer in the tent pissing out, but atop the Elizabeth Tower pissing down on Parliament and the whole country.
    Still St Stephen's Tower IMO
  • eekeek Posts: 29,558
    Byronic said:

    Lol

    What did you actually expect him to do? Rend his garments, gnash his teeth, make burnt offerings to the Lord Boris, petitioning Bojo with prayer to spare us His hard Brexit?
    The EU aren't going to do anything. If we are stupid enough to leave without a deal they will just ensure no-one else attempts to do it again..
  • isam said:

    Life imitating art

    https://twitter.com/titaniamcgrath/status/1165267366093172736?s=21

    Touchy x

  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Jonathan said:

    Boris has put the Queen in an impossible position, the one thing you are not supposed to do.

    Regardless of what side of the Brexit argument your on, that surely is a mistake. Possibly a career ending mistake.

    Is it really an impossible position? It's quite simple, really.

    HMQ will act on the advice of the Prime Minister. She always has to. If the House has lost confidence in the PM, then they have the means to tell HMQ, and to express their confidence in an alternative - who will then provide different advice to HMQ.

    It's up to MPs now.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098
    High numbers in Hornsea, Bristol West and Brighton Pavilion.

    Low numbers in Hull, Wigan and Torfaen.

    Who'd have thunk it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,886
    Just heard some "interesting" clips from current Cabinet ministers about prorogation.
    Of course, that was before, this is now.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,317

    Vernon Bogdanor on the radio saying comparisons with "Charles I or James I" is nonsense..

    Of course they are. I saw a graphic on the BBC News website showing just how many days Parliament would be sitting before Brexit even if it were prorogued.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,550
    edited August 2019
    Boris Johnson is certainly testing my theory that he will agree an extension into 2020 for 'fresh talks with no pre-conditions' on a deal.

    Could I be reading things wrong? Is it really No Deal and/or a GE in 2019?

    Hope not. It will cost me.
  • Vernon Bogdanor on the radio saying comparisons with "Charles I or James I" is nonsense..

    He teaches at a dump, he can be ignored.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,963

    Wouldn't the judge then say 'Answer the fucking question!', or words to that effect?
    No, but he might be unpersuaded.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    HYUFD said:

    Boris of course ideally wants the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop to pass the Commons by October 31st with EU agreement.

    Otherwise he will go to No Deal but the Commons likely VONCs him then and forces a general election and asks the EU for an extension until polling day, Boris will not ask for any extension but have to accept it until polling day if the Commons votes for it but he would still campaign for No Deal on that scenario if he wins the election
    Any delay for whatever reason, as you have often noted, turbocharges TBP, gives Nigel Farage a rocket-propelled ascension into our political world ("don't trust them, etc, etc") then splits the leave vote, and paves the way for a Lab majority hung parliament.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,398
    Afternoon all :)

    I recall the notion of a possible prorogation was raised as soon as Boris became Prime Minister so it's hardly a bolt from the blue.

    It's a tactic, whether it's part of a well-defined strategy or making it up as they go along is something we will discover in time.

    The Conservative anti-No Deal squad are going to have to put their heads above the parapet if this is going to be blocked or changed with all the internal party risk that follows.

    The two thoughts I have are first the EU negotiates with the UK Government NOT the Commons. Proroguing Parliament does not make any difference to Boris continuing to negotiate a revised WA but I continue to think the revisions he needs aren't going to be granted by the EU.

    Second, who calls an election now? It seems Parliament needs to be in session in order for the FTPA to pass and Johnson seems some Opposition MPs to vote for a GE to get it over the line. He may rely on Corbyn's stupidity to allow that to happen but perhaps it may not and if the GE is blocked , it may be the VoNC will pass and an alternative administration which will prevent No Deal will command enough support in the Commons.

    Is the plan therefore to have the election before 31/10 in which case the time in early September is all they have to get one called via the FTPA or is the plan to wait until the last minute and have the election in mid November with the 31/10 deadline cleared but with the attendant risk of the exit leading to problems which wouldn't reflect well on the Johnson Government?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,558
    philiph said:

    They did, as it was set in Article 50 at 2 years
    They didn't - that was the previous Parliament.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,504
    Pulpstar said:

    High numbers in Hornsea, Bristol West and Brighton Pavilion.

    Low numbers in Hull, Wigan and Torfaen.

    Who'd have thunk it.
    Also quite low numbers in Northern Ireland.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Byronic said:

    I don’t think that’s true if he just sits in number 10, promising to call a vote. After Brexit.
    The term VOC in government means in any prospective government not the government. He can’t sit it out for 14 days if someone else demonstrates the have confidence.
  • PClipp said:

    I think Sir John Major is a bit older and wiser now.

    And the bastards are in the ascendent.
    Immaterial. He may be older but he is certainly not wiser. And he is still a hypocrite.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Byronic said:

    Lol

    What did you actually expect him to do? Rend his garments, gnash his teeth, make burnt offerings to the Lord Boris, petitioning Bojo with prayer to spare us His hard Brexit?
    About three times a week some Leave cretin reposts some regurgitated crap from the Express about how the EU is bowing down to Britain’s demands. Something direct from the horse’s mouth might correct this repeated misunderstanding.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,538

    Touchy x

    No doubt iSam has a clip of Enoch Powell explaining why it's not racist to want a revolution if the government allows too many foreigners into your presence.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,251

    No idea, but I do know how self-pitying xenophobes and racists did.

    Impressive how well your xenophobe and racist detector works.

    It must be all those years in the Labour Party that got it so finely attuned.....
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Fenster said:

    Ultimately, there have only ever been four choices:

    1. Leave with a Deal
    2. Leave with No Deal
    3. Hold a 2nd Referendum
    4. Ignore the result and Remain

    1 has proven to be impossible given current parliamentary arithmetic (caused by` May and used cunningly by Remainers), because there is no deal the EU will offer that can get through parliament. 4 would probably cause a civil war, so few countenance it. Which leaves options 2 and 3.


    I wouldn't entirely rule out 4. Obviously it's incredibly damaging to any PM who does it ….. but that doesn't matter for a temporary caretaker. Might such a person be tempted to kick the whole issue into the long grass, with a revoke and general election?

  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    isam said:

    Life imitating art

    https://twitter.com/titaniamcgrath/status/1165267366093172736?s=21
    That is a fantastically stupid tweet by the LBC guy. Good to see his twitter account is now infested with people mocking him very cruelly.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098
    tlg86 said:

    Also quite low numbers in Northern Ireland.
    I think if Sinn Fein (Or the SDLP if they'd won any) had their seats in parliament they'd have voted through the Withdrawal agreement actually.
    They'd have joined all the remain efforts too - but they'd have voted for the deal.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    nichomar said:

    The term VOC in government means in any prospective government not the government. He can’t sit it out for 14 days if someone else demonstrates the have confidence.
    As I have pointed out repeatedly, but our more desperate Leavers refuse to consider, if Boris Johnson were capable of doing this before an election, he could do so after losing an election too and insisting on endless general elections rather than cede power.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,022
    Pulpstar said:

    High numbers in Hornsea, Bristol West and Brighton Pavilion.

    Low numbers in Hull, Wigan and Torfaen.

    Who'd have thunk it.
    The most recent polling on the issue indicates a large majority against prorogation, and a plurality (just short of a majority) of leave voters in favour.
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/11/brits-oppose-proroguing-parliament-force-through-n
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,615
    kinabalu said:

    Boris Johnson is certainly testing my theory that he will agree an extension into 2020 for 'fresh talks with no pre-conditions' on a deal.

    Could I be reading things wrong? Is it really No Deal and/or a GE in 2019?

    Hope not. It will cost me.

    I think you're wrong on an extension, but no idea whether we really will no deal or not...
  • nichomar said:

    The term VOC in government means in any prospective government not the government. He can’t sit it out for 14 days if someone else demonstrates the have confidence.
    Yep. The 14 days is just a backstop.... a very topical word there. If at any time prior to 14 days another MP can show they have the support of the House then the Queen is constititionally bound to appoint them PM.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    RobD said:

    If no one else can command confidence I think the convention is he stays as PM.
    Correct but it’s wrong to say he can just sit it out if someone can command confidence
  • kinabalu said:

    Boris Johnson is certainly testing my theory that he will agree an extension into 2020 for 'fresh talks with no pre-conditions' on a deal.

    Could I be reading things wrong? Is it really No Deal and/or a GE in 2019?

    Hope not. It will cost me.

    I think so. Sorry.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,071
    HYUFD said:

    Boris of course ideally wants the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop to pass the Commons by October 31st with EU agreement.

    Otherwise he will go to No Deal but the Commons likely VONCs him then and forces a general election and asks the EU for an extension until polling day, Boris will not ask for any extension but have to accept it until polling day if the Commons votes for it but he would still campaign for No Deal on that scenario if he wins the election
    Then Mr Johnson ideally wants a unicorn. Nice in fairy tales, not so good for the haed of a government.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,334
    Pulpstar said:

    High numbers in Hornsea, Bristol West and Brighton Pavilion.

    Low numbers in Hull, Wigan and Torfaen.

    Who'd have thunk it.
    Running at about 2000 signatures a minute... Its going to be a big one.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,137

    Touchy x

    Not at all! Love it
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268

    Yep. The 14 days is just a backstop.... a very topical word there. If at any time prior to 14 days another MP can show they have the support of the House then the Queen is constititionally bound to appoint them PM.
    I am not clear that is the case if Boris doesn't resign. He is her chief advisor and can just say "look, I am holding an election very shortly to sort this out and not recommending anyone else".
  • He teaches at a dump, he can be ignored.
    It's more Vladimir Putin than Charles I, isn't it?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,137

    No doubt iSam has a clip of Enoch Powell explaining why it's not racist to want a revolution if the government allows too many foreigners into your presence.
    They’re all out today! Cutting
  • Oh god are we now going to get the borefest of a signature count update every 15mins ala the clarkson one and the last anti-brexit one.

    250,492 :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098

    As I have pointed out repeatedly, but our more desperate Leavers refuse to consider, if Boris Johnson were capable of doing this before an election, he could do so after losing an election too and insisting on endless general elections rather than cede power.
    Corbyn could also... I think parliament would actually be stormed if that were to happen.
  • isam said:

    Not at all! Love it

    Of course xxx

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,251
    Cicero said:

    Running at about 2000 signatures a minute... Its going to be a big one.
    I assume that was meant to be Hornsey - rather than the gloriously underwhelming little town in Yorkshire about to be consumed by the North Sea?
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    nichomar said:

    The term VOC in government means in any prospective government not the government. He can’t sit it out for 14 days if someone else demonstrates the have confidence.
    If you’re right it’s probably Corbyn’s One and Only chance to be PM, however briefly. I expect he will fuck it up.

  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    nichomar said:

    Correct but it’s wrong to say he can just sit it out if someone can command confidence
    Is it? The convention pre-FTPA meant a government with no confidence can resolve the matter with an election. The FTPA raises the threshold to have that election but doesn't say anything about the process for changing PMs in the lead up.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,137

    Of course xxx

    Blimey it has got to you. Sorry, I will follow you on Twitter if you feel you can’t ever be wrong? We can’t go on like this 🤣
  • He teaches at a dump, he can be ignored.
    Am assuming this is a spoof comment or that someone has hacked your avatar....
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    Corbyn could also... I think parliament would actually be stormed if that were to happen.
    Since the legislation works in the same way in both cases, we can safely conclude that the courts will intervene as necessary to stop a rogue Prime Minister in either case.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098
    edited August 2019
    I think, and this is probably wrong as Bercow/Grieve might be able to come up with somthing or other to stop Johnson (Who knows) but actually it is going to come down to MPs choosing between a "No Deal" Brexit and installing Corbyn.

    As @AndyJS notes, this is about making an unpalatable choice.

    The WA was an unpalatable choice, but better than these options. MPs should have taken it, as Paul Masterton noted both sides can not be right.
  • Pulpstar said:

    I think if Sinn Fein (Or the SDLP if they'd won any) had their seats in parliament they'd have voted through the Withdrawal agreement actually.
    They'd have joined all the remain efforts too - but they'd have voted for the deal.
    SF are actually soft Eurosceptic.
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268

    As I have pointed out repeatedly, but our more desperate Leavers refuse to consider, if Boris Johnson were capable of doing this before an election, he could do so after losing an election too and insisting on endless general elections rather than cede power.
    But there is an established convention for HM picking the winner of the election.
  • isam said:

    Blimey it has got to you. Sorry, I will follow you on Twitter if you feel you can’t ever be wrong? We can’t go on like this 🤣

    Ha, ha!! xxx You do follow me on Twitter. I cannot believe it, but you do. Thank-you.

  • Corbyn was absolutely right to write to the Queen. Today is a gift for him. Johnson has given him the best chance he will ever have of reviving the 2017 Labour voting coalition, with some added LibDem gains in the south on top.

    You clearly have very little idea about how fed up with Brexit (and the self-entitled remain lobby) most of the country is.
  • It's more Vladimir Putin than Charles I, isn't it?
    An additional 4 day suspension of Parliament? How much about Putin have you actually read?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Gabs2 said:

    But there is an established convention for HM picking the winner of the election.
    The Prime Minister’s appointment does not expire on an election. The two cases are identical.

    In other words, your hopeful Leave idea is hogwash.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Gabs2 said:

    Is it? The convention pre-FTPA meant a government with no confidence can resolve the matter with an election. The FTPA raises the threshold to have that election but doesn't say anything about the process for changing PMs in the lead up.
    I refer you to my answers to Byronic the term confidence in government does not refer only to THE government but can refer to a government to be formed after an individual demonstrates the have confidence. Otherwise this part of the FTPA would be pointless.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667

    Corbyn was absolutely right to write to the Queen. Today is a gift for him. Johnson has given him the best chance he will ever have of reviving the 2017 Labour voting coalition, with some added LibDem gains in the south on top.

    Yes, if there's an election it's going to be much more about "Do you favour the Johnson coup and No Deal?" than "Are you worried about Corbyn?"
  • isamisam Posts: 41,137

    Ha, ha!! xxx You do follow me on Twitter. I cannot believe it, but you do. Thank-you.

    Blimey you’re crackers! I don’t!!
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    It’s a bit unnerving that Pb.com - the best informed political forum in the UK - has no agreed idea of the laws and processes we will now follow, as we head into the worst constitutional crisis since the inception of the New Model Army.

    If we don’t have a clue, who does?!

    On that disquieting note I am going for a stroll in the Hellenic sun.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,071

    Still St Stephen's Tower IMO
    And when I was 10 IMO Argentina did not win the 1978 FIFA World Cup. So what.
  • Cicero said:

    Running at about 2000 signatures a minute... Its going to be a big one.

    As most of the country wont hear or engage on this until the 6 o'clock news this just shows how many of the signatures are faked or duplicated.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,954
    edited August 2019
    ZAP
  • So Friday afternoon should see a thread about AV.

    Assuming nothing major happens.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,538


    As most of the country wont hear or engage on this until the 6 o'clock news this just shows how many of the signatures are faked or duplicated.
    You can easily reach a quarter of a million politically engaged people through social media, etc, without having to wait for the 6 o'clock news.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    Question for me is are those who were confident we wouldnt get a 2019 GE still so confident and if so why?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,334

    You clearly have very little idea about how fed up with Brexit (and the self-entitled remain lobby) most of the country is.
    Being called "entitled" by a group whose leaders are mostly old Etonians may not be quite the killer blow that you think.

    The old school tie Tories laid this particular crock of cack and now they are going to take what's coming to them.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,071


    As most of the country wont hear or engage on this until the 6 o'clock news this just shows how many of the signatures are faked or duplicated.
    6 o'clock news? Which decade are you in?
  • You clearly have very little idea about how fed up with Brexit (and the self-entitled remain lobby) most of the country is.

    You are not the country.

  • Jo Swinson complaining Boris is taking away crucial time for parliament to discuss Brexit.

    Not so crucial that mp's were willing to sacrifice their summer holidays though.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    TGOHF said:
    How could he have done anything? What's important is he showed he tried to stop it.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,820
    It's the rat smell that will do for Boris Johnson on prorogation I feel, rather than prorogation itself, which no-one knows how to spell or what exactly it means.

    I have a vague feeling it will turn out to be too smart-arsed and actually not necessary.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,716
    Gabs2 said:


    Is it? The convention pre-FTPA meant a government with no confidence can resolve the matter with an election. The FTPA raises the threshold to have that election but doesn't say anything about the process for changing PMs in the lead up.

    They don't say anything about that in the FTPA because the existing process still applies, namely that if somebody else looks like they can get the confidence of the House they get appointed PM and get to test it.

    Believe it or not the 14 day period isn't just there to give everyone a chance to chill.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,558


    As most of the country wont hear or engage on this until the 6 o'clock news this just shows how many of the signatures are faked or duplicated.
    Um, it's all over social media and most people (for better and worse) find things out from Social Media
  • You are not the country.

    Not claiming to be. But then nor are you either...
  • Byronic said:

    It’s a bit unnerving that Pb.com - the best informed political forum in the UK - has no agreed idea of the laws and processes we will now follow, as we head into the worst constitutional crisis since the inception of the New Model Army.

    If we don’t have a clue, who does?!

    On that disquieting note I am going for a stroll in the Hellenic sun.

    Have a nice day, Sean :)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    edited August 2019
    kle4 said:

    Question for me is are those who were confident we wouldnt get a 2019 GE still so confident and if so why?

    Go on then, answer it, if it is for you. Or can we have a go also?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483


    As most of the country wont hear or engage on this until the 6 o'clock news this just shows how many of the signatures are faked or duplicated.
    Have you seen twitter with everything from general strike to counter revolution trending?
  • eristdoof said:

    6 o'clock news? Which decade are you in?
    "News at 6" if you prefer.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    TOPPING said:

    Go on then, answer it, if it is for you. Or can we have a go also?
    Of course!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    Cicero said:

    Being called "entitled" by a group whose leaders are mostly old Etonians may not be quite the killer blow that you think.

    The old school tie Tories laid this particular crock of cack and now they are going to take what's coming to them.
    Hey! @isam believes that Jacob Rees-Mogg has been left behind and hence decided to vote for Brexit.

    And who are we to gainsay him?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,716
    Byronic said:

    It’s a bit unnerving that Pb.com - the best informed political forum in the UK - has no agreed idea of the laws and processes we will now follow, as we head into the worst constitutional crisis since the inception of the New Model Army.

    If we don’t have a clue, who does?!

    On that disquieting note I am going for a stroll in the Hellenic sun.

    Some corner cases are potentially a mess but all the non-bonkers people here are agreed on the main points.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,399


    As most of the country wont hear or engage on this until the 6 o'clock news this just shows how many of the signatures are faked or duplicated.
    And the moon landings!
  • Cicero said:

    Being called "entitled" by a group whose leaders are mostly old Etonians may not be quite the killer blow that you think.

    The old school tie Tories laid this particular crock of cack and now they are going to take what's coming to them.
    I think youre dead wrong and this may win it for Boris. And im not a particular fan of his, albeit prefer him to any of the other rank deadbeats...
  • Is the online petition anywhere near the 17m+ required to make it relevant?

  • Am assuming this is a spoof comment or that someone has hacked your avatar....
    We’re sick and tired of experts who always get it wrong, he’s always wrong, the proof is that he was educated at a dump and teaches at that dump.
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