I think we can add 'Prorogation Derangement Syndrome' to 'Brexit Derangement Syndrome'....
The press are mightily complicit in keeping the news and images of millions (out of what, 64 million - so well over 3% of the population) starving on the streets.
* There should be at least one image of a horse-drawn cart with a municipal worker ringing a bell shouting "Bring out your dead!"
I just get the feeling that Boris, and more likely Cummings, are running rings around their opponents who seem to be in total fury, probably as they cannot be sure how to stop him
Boris has certainly set the agenda and I just want to see his opponents table a vonc next week and take it from there.
In the absence of that they are all anger and no plan
That is very much my perception as well. I frankly did not expect this degree of ruthlessness from Boris. He is playing for keeps, that's for sure. It does smack of what we know of Cummings. The change since May was deposed is very marked.
The Queen has form. She allowed, through her Governor General, Harper [ a Conservative ] to prorogue Parliament so that a VoNC could not be tabled. She allowed her Australian Governor General Kerr to sack a Labor Prime Minister. And now helped a Conservative Prime Minister. Coincidences ?
The one thing the Queen has is enormous goodwill in the Country and admiration far beyond any of our useless mps.
Attacking the Queen will be counter productive in the public at large
And I say that as a republican who has come to admire the Queen, not so Charles and the rest
There is an element of truth in that.
The constitution requires her to be pro whichever rogue happens to be occupying the office of PM. And the current occupant is an absolute pro rogue.
Exactly. Calling the Queen out isn’t the answer here. The Queen is doing the constitutionally proper thing of following the recommendation of her government. We do not know whether she exercised her right to warn the government against this. No matter, she is still bound to accept their request if they insist.
If people aren’t happy with the way the Queen was activated today, then they’re not happy with the way our constitution works, which is a perfectly legitimate position to take. What isn’t, I’d argue, is that idea the Queen has caused some kind of unconstitutional outrage. She would have been acting against precedent if she’d blocked the prorogation over the advice of the government.
If the Queen has no scope for taking any alternative action / taking any decisions whatsoever it does rather beg the question of what is the point of having her as part of tbe process?
Let alone all the rest of the Royal Family.
It's a heck of an expensive operation just to have some people to promote charities and supply "entertainment" for the media.
They do more than just supply entertainment. One or two even entertains and do not discriminate necessarily with regard to age !
I am genuinely amazed at the number of people expressing shock that the Queen does not just ignore her PM. I'm totally against what Boris has done, but how are people amazed that the Queen does not truly make a judgement call on these things? Do they bemoan that she has never refused royal assent?
Fair play to Republicans who already back that stance and dont like how it works, but seriously people here did not realise the Queen does not exercise all theoretical power?
Odds on a successful pre Brexit VONC now? One assumes away from the bluster, the same logic that said last week this would fail still stands?
Depends how many Tories want to end their careers by voting in favour of the motion. I think that is uncertain but the Tory party in the next Parliament will not look like this one, that's for sure.
The Queen has form. She allowed, through her Governor General, Harper [ a Conservative ] to prorogue Parliament so that a VoNC could not be tabled. She allowed her Australian Governor General Kerr to sack a Labor Prime Minister. And now helped a Conservative Prime Minister. Coincidences ?
The one thing the Queen has is enormous goodwill in the Country and admiration far beyond any of our useless mps.
Attacking the Queen will be counter productive in the public at large
And I say that as a republican who has come to admire the Queen, not so Charles and the rest
There is an element of truth in that.
The constitution requires her to be pro whichever rogue happens to be occupying the office of PM. And the current occupant is an absolute pro rogue.
Exactly. Calling the Queen out isn’t the answer here. The Queen is doing the constitutionally proper thing of following the recommendation of her government. We do not know whether she exercised her right to warn the government against this. No matter, she is still bound to accept their request if they insist.
If people aren’t happy with the way the Queen was activated today, then they’re not happy with the way our constitution works, which is a perfectly legitimate position to take. What isn’t, I’d argue, is that idea the Queen has caused some kind of unconstitutional outrage. She would have been acting against precedent if she’d blocked the prorogation over the advice of the government.
Quite. The outrage is the arse currently seated in No.10.
I am genuinely amazed at the number of people expressing shock that the Queen does not just ignore her PM. I'm totally against what Boris has done, but how are people amazed that the Queen does not truly make a judgement call on these things? Do they bemoan that she has never refused royal assent?
Fair play to Republicans who already back that stance and dont like how it works, but seriously people here did not realise the Queen does not exercise all theoretical power?
I think that the Queen will be seriously unhappy to have been dragged into this and I suspect the PM will be told that in no uncertain terms. But it is not her fault, the fault lies with Boris.
Legislation can easily be blocked for several days by Peers laying down hundreds of amendments - each amendment can be made to take 35 minutes minimum - vote on debate closure (15 mins), vote on amendment itself (15 mins), plus say 5 mins for proposer, stop and start etc.
I am genuinely amazed at the number of people expressing shock that the Queen does not just ignore her PM. I'm totally against what Boris has done, but how are people amazed that the Queen does not truly make a judgement call on these things? Do they bemoan that she has never refused royal assent?
Fair play to Republicans who already back that stance and dont like how it works, but seriously people here did not realise the Queen does not exercise all theoretical power?
I think that the Queen will be seriously unhappy to have been dragged into this and I suspect the PM will be told that in no uncertain terms. But it is not her fault, the fault lies with Boris.
She sacked Gough Whitlam, she should have sacked Boris Johnson.
I am genuinely amazed at the number of people expressing shock that the Queen does not just ignore her PM. I'm totally against what Boris has done, but how are people amazed that the Queen does not truly make a judgement call on these things? Do they bemoan that she has never refused royal assent?
Fair play to Republicans who already back that stance and dont like how it works, but seriously people here did not realise the Queen does not exercise all theoretical power?
So why this expensive family up to all sorts throughout the world some very unseemly ?
If No Deal is as bad as feared then support for the monarchy will collapse whilst the Queen sits in one of her many palaces whilst her people suffer.
She is our Marie Antoinette, 'let them eat sovereignty' she said today.
ya bollox eagles
in my younger more opinionated days like you I was minded for an elected head of state. Then New Labour showed me the bags of shit I could have,
really you should learn to appreciate what youve got, the alternatives are shit sandwiches with an excrement side salad.
Except that isn't really true... You could see David Attenborough or Judi Dench as very good presidential figures... in fact there are loads, and if scandal continues to circulate around HRH The Duke of York and controversy around HRH the Prince of Wales it is hard to see how the popularity that HM Queen Elizabeth II has given the system can survive the next reign...
Personally I have been talking about the problems of the monarchy for a while and although I'm not an out and out republican, it is difficult to see how the monarchy survives without some significant constitutional changes... the political role being given to a crown council committee for example.
I am genuinely amazed at the number of people expressing shock that the Queen does not just ignore her PM. I'm totally against what Boris has done, but how are people amazed that the Queen does not truly make a judgement call on these things? Do they bemoan that she has never refused royal assent?
Fair play to Republicans who already back that stance and dont like how it works, but seriously people here did not realise the Queen does not exercise all theoretical power?
I think that the Queen will be seriously unhappy to have been dragged into this and I suspect the PM will be told that in no uncertain terms. But it is not her fault, the fault lies with Boris.
She sacked Gough Whitlam, she should have sacked Boris Johnson.
I am genuinely amazed at the number of people expressing shock that the Queen does not just ignore her PM. I'm totally against what Boris has done, but how are people amazed that the Queen does not truly make a judgement call on these things? Do they bemoan that she has never refused royal assent?
Fair play to Republicans who already back that stance and dont like how it works, but seriously people here did not realise the Queen does not exercise all theoretical power?
I think that the Queen will be seriously unhappy to have been dragged into this and I suspect the PM will be told that in no uncertain terms. But it is not her fault, the fault lies with Boris.
She sacked Gough Whitlam, she should have sacked Boris Johnson.
On the advice of the Governor General.
As we don't have a Governor-General here not applicable, she can sack PMs when she likes to, she's doing Boris Johnson's bidding.
If No Deal is as bad as feared then support for the monarchy will collapse whilst the Queen sits in one of her many palaces whilst her people suffer.
She is our Marie Antoinette, 'let them eat sovereignty' she said today.
ya bollox eagles
in my younger more opinionated days like you I was minded for an elected head of state. Then New Labour showed me the bags of shit I could have,
really you should learn to appreciate what youve got, the alternatives are shit sandwiches with an excrement side salad.
Except that isn't really true... You could see David Attenborough or Judi Dench as very good presidential figures... in fact there are loads, and if scandal continues to circulate around HRH The Duke of York and controversy around HRH the Prince of Wales it is hard to see how the popularity that HM Queen Elizabeth II has given the system can survive the next reign...
Personally I have been talking about the problems of the monarchy for a while and although I'm not an out and out republican, it is difficult to see how the monarchy survives without some significant constitutional changes... the political role being given to a crown council committee for example.
if you seriously imagine that poilictcal parties wont want one of their own to control the politics back stop I pity you.
I am genuinely amazed at the number of people expressing shock that the Queen does not just ignore her PM. I'm totally against what Boris has done, but how are people amazed that the Queen does not truly make a judgement call on these things? Do they bemoan that she has never refused royal assent?
Fair play to Republicans who already back that stance and dont like how it works, but seriously people here did not realise the Queen does not exercise all theoretical power?
I think that the Queen will be seriously unhappy to have been dragged into this and I suspect the PM will be told that in no uncertain terms. But it is not her fault, the fault lies with Boris.
She sacked Gough Whitlam, she should have sacked Boris Johnson.
On the advice of the Governor General.
As we don't have a Governor-General here not applicable, she can sack PMs when she likes to, she's doing Boris Johnson's bidding.
you were quite happy to have her sign her powers over to the EU without a vote but now shes doing something you dont like its somehow different
Let's face it - the UK economy and world standing, the Union, the Tory Party, the British constitution, the monarchy. It's been the case for several years that none of these have any objective purpose whatsoever other than to bolster the career of Boris Johnson.
If No Deal is as bad as feared then support for the monarchy will collapse whilst the Queen sits in one of her many palaces whilst her people suffer.
She is our Marie Antoinette, 'let them eat sovereignty' she said today.
ya bollox eagles
in my younger more opinionated days like you I was minded for an elected head of state. Then New Labour showed me the bags of shit I could have,
really you should learn to appreciate what youve got, the alternatives are shit sandwiches with an excrement side salad.
Except that isn't really true... You could see David Attenborough or Judi Dench as very good presidential figures... in fact there are loads, and if scandal continues to circulate around HRH The Duke of York and controversy around HRH the Prince of Wales it is hard to see how the popularity that HM Queen Elizabeth II has given the system can survive the next reign...
Personally I have been talking about the problems of the monarchy for a while and although I'm not an out and out republican, it is difficult to see how the monarchy survives without some significant constitutional changes... the political role being given to a crown council committee for example.
if you seriously imagine that poilictcal parties wont want one of their own to control the politics back stop I pity you.
Only works if people vote for them so I think you afre barking up the wrong tree. Most ceremonial Presidents around the world are exactly those kind of non party figures, although it is true that some parties choose to support one individual versus another, so maybe they choose Dench v Attenborough, because Prescott wouldn't stand a chance..
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* There should be at least one image of a horse-drawn cart with a municipal worker ringing a bell shouting "Bring out your dead!"
That crack may be nothing or it may grow into something that destroys it. However that crack really shouldn't have been allowed to be created.
If people aren’t happy with the way the Queen was activated today, then they’re not happy with the way our constitution works, which is a perfectly legitimate position to take. What isn’t, I’d argue, is that idea the Queen has caused some kind of unconstitutional outrage. She would have been acting against precedent if she’d blocked the prorogation over the advice of the government.
in my younger more opinionated days like you I was minded for an elected head of state. Then New Labour showed me the bags of shit I could have,
really you should learn to appreciate what youve got, the alternatives are shit sandwiches with an excrement side salad.
Fair play to Republicans who already back that stance and dont like how it works, but seriously people here did not realise the Queen does not exercise all theoretical power?
The outrage is the arse currently seated in No.10.
Legislation can easily be blocked for several days by Peers laying down hundreds of amendments - each amendment can be made to take 35 minutes minimum - vote on debate closure (15 mins), vote on amendment itself (15 mins), plus say 5 mins for proposer, stop and start etc.
https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/1166745808143822855?s=20
Personally I have been talking about the problems of the monarchy for a while and although I'm not an out and out republican, it is difficult to see how the monarchy survives without some significant constitutional changes... the political role being given to a crown council committee for example.
Here we go
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/28/sen-johnny-isakson-to-resign-at-end-of-the-year-1476655
shes just doing her job
NEW THREAD
https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1166746899161989121?s=20