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IfZephyr said:
If that’s true, brexit is toast.viewcode said:
It's usually considered polite to cite the source you are getting the info from:ExpatMalaysia said:Brexit party sources who've surveyed ballot boxes being verified think Lib Dems have won the by-election with half of the vote. Conservatives with a third. Brexit party 1 in 10 and Labour below that.
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The trouble with these counts is that the people who know what they are doing will be busy doing it, and those who don’t will be wafting around with time to share their half baked thoughts and outright spin with the journalists hanging about.0
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Lib Dem hold in Stockport.0
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Parenthetically...is all reportage in the UK just journalists repeating what other people have told them? I was hoping for something more forensic.HYUFD said:0 -
In other news, rain is wet.HYUFD said:
I would laugh if they lost their deposit, but assume they have a bedrock support of around 8-10%.0 -
What a time to be alive - LDs win, possible Tory defections, leads to GE. Tories win, they go for a GE, leads to GE.0
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15-1? Those were the days ...M.Partridge said:15-1 now for tories was 5-1 not that long ago
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Frank Field is about to defect to the Tories.Zephyr said:
If that’s true, brexit is toast.viewcode said:
It's usually considered polite to cite the source you are getting the info from:ExpatMalaysia said:Brexit party sources who've surveyed ballot boxes being verified think Lib Dems have won the by-election with half of the vote. Conservatives with a third. Brexit party 1 in 10 and Labour below that.
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LDs have held Hazel Grove0
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Reminds me of Blackadder! Favours for Sailors...ExiledInScotland said:
Does it encourage local young people to hang around port areas at night, hoping for gainful employment?The_Taxman said:
I don't think looking at that you understand what a freeport or enterprise zone entails. You are correct that it is named as "Braintree Freeport" but I don't think it has the status or advantages associated with that anymore if it ever did.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braintree_Freeport_railway_stationThe_Taxman said:
Not anymore!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Braintree has a FreeportFrancisUrquhart said:The government is planning to create up to 10 free ports across the UK after Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/49198825
"The UK had seven of them at various points between 1984 and 2012, when the legislation establishing them was not renewed. " from the BBC article.0 -
Good Lord, I had a flashback.Chris said:
15-1? Those were the days ...M.Partridge said:15-1 now for tories was 5-1 not that long ago
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Well, he probably wants to be closer to Kate Hoeynunuone said:
Frank Field is about to defect to the Tories.Zephyr said:
If that’s true, brexit is toast.viewcode said:
It's usually considered polite to cite the source you are getting the info from:ExpatMalaysia said:Brexit party sources who've surveyed ballot boxes being verified think Lib Dems have won the by-election with half of the vote. Conservatives with a third. Brexit party 1 in 10 and Labour below that.
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Looney candidate arrived to cheers0
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Part and parcel of the by-election cycle. Tories have no chance, no maybe it looks close, no it is comfortable LD after all. All reasonably plausible scenarios have already been cycled through no doubt.JBriskinindyref2 said:
That tweet does sound bad for the toriesviewcode said:https://twitter.com/adrianmasters84/status/1157063445856043008
Oh Christ. He's not gathering data and analysing. He's just repeating what the local politicians tell him. He's Brian O'Hanrahhanrah'han from The Day Today. Look at the boxes and make your own conclusions, dippy!
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Field travels with this government on brexit. But probably not much else?nunuone said:
Frank Field is about to defect to the Tories.Zephyr said:
If that’s true, brexit is toast.viewcode said:
It's usually considered polite to cite the source you are getting the info from:ExpatMalaysia said:Brexit party sources who've surveyed ballot boxes being verified think Lib Dems have won the by-election with half of the vote. Conservatives with a third. Brexit party 1 in 10 and Labour below that.
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Back in the day when we had decent count reportsIanB2 said:The trouble with these counts is that the people who know what they are doing will be busy doing it, and those who don’t will be wafting around with time to share their half baked thoughts and outright spin with the journalists hanging about.
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Sky interviewing Davey. Implying Swinson's not there? Good omen for the tories maybes...0
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Of course.Zephyr said:
Who do you think labour sources want to win this one, out of the two candidates who can actually win? My guess is tonight Labour are rooting for the libdems.dixiedean said:
Again. Depends what they expected.marke09 said:Adrian Masters
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Labour source says early boxes are looking better for Conservatives than expected and worse for Brexit party than expected.0 -
Davey seems to be rather downbeat and getting his excuses in early...JBriskinindyref2 said:Sky interviewing Davey. Implying Swinson's not there? Good omen for the tories maybes...
Surely Lib-Dems haven't screwed this up?0 -
Come on you people. Believe in the Boris!
If you believe hard enough, a thousand pounds will turn into £30,000 within a few hours. What's not to like?0 -
Ah the life of the Metropolitan elite.HYUFD said:
By the time I had got back from work was quicker to phone from CCHQ plus went for drinks afterwards in Westminster with some interns across parties and Epping colleaguesIanB2 said:
We’ll all be wishing you’d done a third hour, telling all those unwanted remainers to p**s off and vote LibDem.HYUFD said:
If the Tories win by 1 vote please can my 2 hours phoning from CCHQ tonight get a mention?M.Partridge said:I just can't see the Tories winning.
No green Party, No Plaid, labour vote crumbling, poor choice in Conservative candidate, Tory vote split with Brexit party. Up against 2017 election where Conservative, while not great in seats terms actually polled very highly.
Lib dems polling super strong at the moment, with postal votes coming before Boris Bounce.
If Con have done this, it is remarkable
BTW doesn’t the Tory system allow helpers to phone from their home? 0 -
He was very critical of UC and its roll out in the last year or so and the Tories welfare policies in general. He maybe a Brexiteer but he does not approve of the way the Government has gone about welfare reform IMO. I doubt given his exposure to the harrowing experiences of constituents in Birkenhead he would ever back the Tories...Zephyr said:
Field travels with this government on brexit. But probably not much else?nunuone said:
Frank Field is about to defect to the Tories.Zephyr said:
If that’s true, brexit is toast.viewcode said:
It's usually considered polite to cite the source you are getting the info from:ExpatMalaysia said:Brexit party sources who've surveyed ballot boxes being verified think Lib Dems have won the by-election with half of the vote. Conservatives with a third. Brexit party 1 in 10 and Labour below that.
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BBC Wales reporting that ex Tory Director of Strategy says "looks like a Lib Dem gain" but will be better than anticipated for the Tories. As someone who has been to many counts as a counting agent I would expect the agents who are collating figures to have a good idea of the result, if close postal votes which will be added last could decide the outcome.0
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Well it is not a good look to seem too triumphant too early, sometimes people overshoot in the other direction.GIN1138 said:
Davey seems to be rather downbeat and getting his excuses in early...JBriskinindyref2 said:Sky interviewing Davey. Implying Swinson's not there? Good omen for the tories maybes...
Surely Lib-Dems haven't screwed this up?
But I will have to find out in the morning. As ever, I hope for the most interesting and/or funny outcome.0 -
Since when did we start quoting the high-roller numbers???????Chris said:Come on you people. Believe in the Boris!
If you believe hard enough, a thousand pounds will turn into £30,000 within a few hours. What's not to like?
min bet's 2 quid
Make just over 50 quid is what you mean surely0 -
But everyone of that 8 to 10% would want to see Boris Bounce punctured, his commons majority not increased, and, those that are remainers, the remain option triumphing.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
In other news, rain is wet.HYUFD said:
I would laugh if they lost their deposit, but assume they have a bedrock support of around 8-10%.
If its hollow for Swinson to claim mighty breakthrough tomorrow thanks to such Labour votes, then it was Mega hollow for Labours triumphalism after 2017 election when they most benefited from remain votes in just the same way.
The real danger is when leaders and their followers actually believe all the votes were for them and their policy.0 -
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And bananas. And a nice pair.HYUFD said:0 -
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59% turnout0
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59% turnout0
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My turnout prediction was 62%. Apparently it's 59%.
I'm sticking with my prediction numbers:
LD 15,600
Con 12,800
BRX 3,800
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Indeed. And what's more he knows his stuff, too. He has been excoriating about Tory welfare reforms, and has actually held the government to account, quite obviously being better informed than most at the DWP who have an Army of civil servants at their service. I am at a loss as to why some Tories hold him up as their pet ex-Labour MP.The_Taxman said:
He was very critical of UC and its roll out in the last year or so and the Tories welfare policies in general. He maybe a Brexiteer but he does not approve of the way the Government has gone about welfare reform IMO. I doubt given his exposure to the harrowing experiences of constituents in Birkenhead he would ever back the Tories...Zephyr said:
Field travels with this government on brexit. But probably not much else?nunuone said:
Frank Field is about to defect to the Tories.Zephyr said:
If that’s true, brexit is toast.viewcode said:
It's usually considered polite to cite the source you are getting the info from:ExpatMalaysia said:Brexit party sources who've surveyed ballot boxes being verified think Lib Dems have won the by-election with half of the vote. Conservatives with a third. Brexit party 1 in 10 and Labour below that.
https://twitter.com/adrianmasters84/status/1157063445856043008
Other than that everything must be seen through a Brexit prism, of course.
Although, if Boris were serious about social exclusion, Field to DWP would be a start. Amber doesn't need the cash anyways.0 -
Very low Brexit Party vote could have implications re broadcaster treatment at GE.
Two things OFCOM look at - Westminster history + polls.
However Peterborough would have given weight to argument for more prominent treatment.
If only 10% in Brecon and in clear 4th place well below big three in polls then broadcasters will marginalise them.0 -
Adrian Masters
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The crucial town of Ystradgynlais seems to have gone to the Lib Dems. 'We've lost Ystradgynlais,' says one Tory. 'That's us done.'0 -
Turnout 59.7 via Sky1
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My prediction was 5.5% for Labour.HYUFD said:0 -
From what they post, it would be sheer silliness to talk about £2 turning into £60.That's the kind of amount that it wouldn't be worth their while to bend down and pick up if they saw it lying on the pavement.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Since when did we start quoting the high-roller numbers???????Chris said:Come on you people. Believe in the Boris!
If you believe hard enough, a thousand pounds will turn into £30,000 within a few hours. What's not to like?
min bet's 2 quid
Make just over 50 quid is what you mean surely
Talking of which - this looks like the last chance for Boris fas to jump in and turn a thousand into now - amazingly - £45,000. Quick, now, before it becomes obvious the Tories are going to win, and we reach crossover.0 -
Makes you wonder if Con had put up a sensible candiadte rather than a convicted criminal whether they could have held on here...0
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No. But “don’t blame me - I voted loony” has a stronger pull with each passing day.IanB2 said:
The people’s flag is slightly pink, it’s not as red as most folks think?Zephyr said:
Oh the joys of lying in... oh! Has he just spilt last nights Pinot on the sheets. Oh dear. Put the new iPad down. No don’t throw - Crash! Put the laptop down, it’s what I must use to start nuclear war. No don’t throw itHYUFD said:
I expect Boris would be hungover and having a celebratory 'morning in bed' with Carrie!M.Partridge said:
You should expect a call from Boris himselfHYUFD said:
If the Tories win by 1 vote please can my 2 hours phoning from CCHQ tonight get a mention?M.Partridge said:I just can't see the Tories winning.
No green Party, No Plaid, labour vote crumbling, poor choice in Conservative candidate, Tory vote split with Brexit party. Up against 2017 election where Conservative, while not great in seats terms actually polled very highly.
Lib dems polling super strong at the moment, with postal votes coming before Boris Bounce.
If Con have done this, it is remarkable
Further down the ballot will Lily the Pink mop up hard left votes in error?0 -
I'm sure this 1k bet is a new thing being invented tonight - I suggest that we post as reference 100 GBP when it comes to close/heavy favourite nights such as tonight.Chris said:
From what they post, it would be sheer silliness to talk about £2 turning into £60.That's the kind of amount that it wouldn't be worth their while to bend down and pick up if they saw it lying on the pavement.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Since when did we start quoting the high-roller numbers???????Chris said:Come on you people. Believe in the Boris!
If you believe hard enough, a thousand pounds will turn into £30,000 within a few hours. What's not to like?
min bet's 2 quid
Make just over 50 quid is what you mean surely
Talking of which - this looks like the last chance for Boris fas to jump in and turn a thousand into now - amazingly - £45,000. Quick, now, before it becomes obvious the Tories are going to win, and we reach crossover.0 -
Turnout well down on the 79.4% recorded at the 1985 by election.0
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Surely they didn't expect to win there? There's optimism and belief, and then there is sheer delusion.madmacs said:Adrian Masters
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The crucial town of Ystradgynlais seems to have gone to the Lib Dems. 'We've lost Ystradgynlais,' says one Tory. 'That's us done.'0 -
Excellent. Richly deserved.HYUFD said:0 -
Perhaps, though the possibility of tariffs against lamb must have concentrated a few minds.GIN1138 said:Makes you wonder if Con had put up a sensible candiadte rather than a convicted criminal whether they could have held on here...
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Can they get on with this counting malarkey? Some of us have jobs to get up for in the morning...0
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I have an unexpected yearning for a cucumber sandwich.0
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Andrew Teale's excellent by-election previews.
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Current Betfair odds are:DecrepitJohnL said:
Conservatives: 6/1-£53, 30/1-£30, 34/1-18.
That's (6x53)+(30x30)+(34x18) = £1,830. Not £30,000. Am I missing something? Genuine question.
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Labour candidate waffling about nothing...0
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I think they're talking about laying the LDs with their imaginary grandviewcode said:
Current Betfair odds are:DecrepitJohnL said:
Conservatives: 6/1-£53, 30/1-£30, 34/1-18.
That's (6x53)+(30x30)+(34x18) = £1,830. Not £30,000. Am I missing something? Genuine question.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.1598539050 -
Tactical error on my part. Neglected to buy popcorn.HYUFD said:0 -
OK admittedly, even though Betfair Exchange is currently offering a ratio of 38, it's not possible to bet anything like a thousand pounds at that price. So maybe I should have said £10 would turn into £300.viewcode said:
Current Betfair odds are:DecrepitJohnL said:
Conservatives: 6/1-£53, 30/1-£30, 34/1-18.
That's (6x53)+(30x30)+(34x18) = £1,830. Not £30,000. Am I missing something? Genuine question.
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If Labour lose their deposit that will, rightly, be the headline tomorrow. LABOUR LOSE DEPOSIT IN WALES
Corbyn is really really REALLY close to destroying Labour, and allowing the Lib Dems to become the Opposition Party. How can an apparently sane, educated person like NPXMP not see this?!?!0 -
Decapitation strategy fans may be interested in Shadsy's general election constituency odds.
Uxbridge
Con 1/5
Lab 5/1
BXP 10/1
LD 50/1
Islington North
Lab 1/10
LD 6/1
Con 50/1
BXP 50/1
Uxbridge prices look tight and almost generous with a hundred per cent book on the main two, if you are happy to disregard the BXP.
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The southern part of the constituency borders Labour's formerly "rock solid" valleys constituencies like Merthyr Tydfil.1
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Labour candidate on Sky saying voters turning to Labour because of 'Corbyn's Progressive policies.' Think he is at the wrong count0
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LDs increasingly Bullish says Lewis Goodall0
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Can you give us one reason for a labour remain voter not to vote libdem in this particular election?Byronic said:If Labour lose their deposit that will, rightly, be the headline tomorrow. LABOUR LOSE DEPOSIT IN WALES
Corbyn is really really REALLY close to destroying Labour, and allowing the Lib Dems to become the Opposition Party. How can an apparently sane, educated person like NPXMP not see this?!?!0 -
The hapless Labour candidate is on Sky news now. Unconvincingly claimed voters are switching to Lab in droves, due to Jezza's progressive polices,SouthamObserver said:0 -
Edit. I see what they mean. Ystradgynlais, the largest town in B+R, and the Labour heart of the seat has voted LD to beat the Tory. As was obvious.dixiedean said:
Surely they didn't expect to win there? There's optimism and belief, and then there is sheer delusion.madmacs said:Adrian Masters
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The crucial town of Ystradgynlais seems to have gone to the Lib Dems. 'We've lost Ystradgynlais,' says one Tory. 'That's us done.'0 -
Maybe they thought the Brexiteer should get the chop!DecrepitJohnL said:
Perhaps, though the possibility of tariffs against lamb must have concentrated a few minds.GIN1138 said:Makes you wonder if Con had put up a sensible candiadte rather than a convicted criminal whether they could have held on here...
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Ah, OK.Chris said:
OK admittedly, even though Betfair Exchange is currently offering a ratio of 38, it's not possible to bet anything like a thousand pounds at that price. So maybe I should have said £10 would turn into £300.viewcode said:
Current Betfair odds are:DecrepitJohnL said:
Conservatives: 6/1-£53, 30/1-£30, 34/1-18.
That's (6x53)+(30x30)+(34x18) = £1,830. Not £30,000. Am I missing something? Genuine question.
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That will not be the headline. Both main contenders elected a new leader last week. For one of them, the bounce is over. That will be the headline. The strapline will be the effect on Boris's majority (assuming he can keep the DUP onboard) with leading articles on what this means for Brexit and a snap election.Byronic said:If Labour lose their deposit that will, rightly, be the headline tomorrow. LABOUR LOSE DEPOSIT IN WALES
Corbyn is really really REALLY close to destroying Labour, and allowing the Lib Dems to become the Opposition Party. How can an apparently sane, educated person like NPXMP not see this?!?!
ETA the true measure of Corbyn's effect is that Labour will *not* be the headline. Labour right now does not matter.0 -
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.SouthamObserver said:0 -
Does anybody have their number, I have a bridge to sell them...AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
The hapless Labour candidate is on Sky news now. Unconvincingly claimed voters are switching to Lab in droves, due to Jezza's progressive polices,SouthamObserver said:0 -
No. And I cannot give you one reason why 80% of Labour voters would not switch to the Lib Dems at a General Election, if the Lib Dems look like a credible, Remainery, Unionist opposition.Zephyr said:
Can you give us one reason for a labour remain voter not to vote libdem in this particular election?Byronic said:If Labour lose their deposit that will, rightly, be the headline tomorrow. LABOUR LOSE DEPOSIT IN WALES
Corbyn is really really REALLY close to destroying Labour, and allowing the Lib Dems to become the Opposition Party. How can an apparently sane, educated person like NPXMP not see this?!?!
Heck, even I might vote for them, given the shambles in the Tory party.
I could never, ever vote for Corbyn. That is your problem. Get RID of this repulsive Marxist Jew-hater. NOW.0 -
The station's still called Freeport!The_Taxman said:
I don't think looking at that you understand what a freeport or enterprise zone entails. You are correct that it is named as "Braintree Freeport" but I don't think it has the status or advantages associated with that anymore if it ever did.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braintree_Freeport_railway_stationThe_Taxman said:
Not anymore!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Braintree has a FreeportFrancisUrquhart said:The government is planning to create up to 10 free ports across the UK after Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/49198825
"The UK had seven of them at various points between 1984 and 2012, when the legislation establishing them was not renewed. " from the BBC article.0 -
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Absolutely. Some of the condemned sheep may have been ex lovers of voters.DecrepitJohnL said:
Perhaps, though the possibility of tariffs against lamb must have concentrated a few minds.GIN1138 said:Makes you wonder if Con had put up a sensible candiadte rather than a convicted criminal whether they could have held on here...
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Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.Zephyr said:
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.SouthamObserver said:
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B&R Conservatives now 6 (30 to lay) on Betfair so someone thinks they know something.
And in the time it takes to type that, it is back to 20/50. It may be people closing open positions, as there is not much money left.0 -
For the record: who the hell knows?
I suspect it's going to be a LibDem gain, but am not tempted to bet on the heavy favourite.0 -
I've already flogged him some magic beans.FrancisUrquhart said:
Does anybody have their number, I have a bridge to sell them...AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
The hapless Labour candidate is on Sky news now. Unconvincingly claimed voters are switching to Lab in droves, due to Jezza's progressive polices,SouthamObserver said:0 -
Yes, of course you're right. And probably this is the reason the markets are misleadingly pointing to a Lib Dem victory. Even though there's money to be made, the amount is far too small to make it worthwhile for those in the know to divert their personal assistants from more lucrative activities.viewcode said:
Ah, OK.Chris said:
OK admittedly, even though Betfair Exchange is currently offering a ratio of 38, it's not possible to bet anything like a thousand pounds at that price. So maybe I should have said £10 would turn into £300.viewcode said:
Current Betfair odds are:DecrepitJohnL said:
Conservatives: 6/1-£53, 30/1-£30, 34/1-18.
That's (6x53)+(30x30)+(34x18) = £1,830. Not £30,000. Am I missing something? Genuine question.
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It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.Zephyr said:
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.SouthamObserver said:0 -
My prediction numbers adjusted for the slightly lower turnout than I was expecting:
LD 14,300
Con 11,800
BRX 3,500
Lab 1,750
UKIP 400
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He’s already swallowed some.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I've already flogged him some magic beans.FrancisUrquhart said:
Does anybody have their number, I have a bridge to sell them...AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
The hapless Labour candidate is on Sky news now. Unconvincingly claimed voters are switching to Lab in droves, due to Jezza's progressive polices,SouthamObserver said:1 -
If you wanted to back the Tories with serious money, you'd lay Lib Dems at 1.05. There's £1500 on the table as I write. Much more liquidity there.Chris said:
Yes, of course you're right. And probably this is the reason the markets are misleadingly pointing to a Lib Dem victory. Even though there's money to be made, the amount is far too small to make it worthwhile for those in the know to divert their personal assistants from more lucrative activities.viewcode said:
Ah, OK.Chris said:
OK admittedly, even though Betfair Exchange is currently offering a ratio of 38, it's not possible to bet anything like a thousand pounds at that price. So maybe I should have said £10 would turn into £300.viewcode said:
Current Betfair odds are:DecrepitJohnL said:
Conservatives: 6/1-£53, 30/1-£30, 34/1-18.
That's (6x53)+(30x30)+(34x18) = £1,830. Not £30,000. Am I missing something? Genuine question.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.159853905
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Indeed. Talking about stations with unusual names: Bat & Ball. I kid you not!Sunil_Prasannan said:
The station's still called Freeport!The_Taxman said:
I don't think looking at that you understand what a freeport or enterprise zone entails. You are correct that it is named as "Braintree Freeport" but I don't think it has the status or advantages associated with that anymore if it ever did.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braintree_Freeport_railway_stationThe_Taxman said:
Not anymore!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Braintree has a FreeportFrancisUrquhart said:The government is planning to create up to 10 free ports across the UK after Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/49198825
"The UK had seven of them at various points between 1984 and 2012, when the legislation establishing them was not renewed. " from the BBC article.0 -
So they said last time. Second time might be right, but it'll need to be tested to destruction to find out.Byronic said:
It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.Zephyr said:
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.SouthamObserver said:0
