If Labour lose their deposit that will, rightly, be the headline tomorrow. LABOUR LOSE DEPOSIT IN WALES
Corbyn is really really REALLY close to destroying Labour, and allowing the Lib Dems to become the Opposition Party. How can an apparently sane, educated person like NPXMP not see this?!?!
Can you give us one reason for a labour remain voter not to vote libdem in this particular election?
No. And I cannot give you one reason why 80% of Labour voters would not switch to the Lib Dems at a General Election, if the Lib Dems look like a credible, Remainery, Unionist opposition.
Heck, even I might vote for them, given the shambles in the Tory party.
I could never, ever vote for Corbyn. That is your problem. Get RID of this repulsive Marxist Jew-hater. NOW.
My problem? That doesn’t even come in the top ten of my problems.
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.
It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.
So they said last time. Second time might be right, but it'll need to be tested to destruction to find out.
For the first time in my life I do genuinely believe that we could see the complete disappearance of one of the major two parties.
It happened to Labour in Scotland after the first indyref (and there are no signs of them returning five years later), I see no logical reason why it cannot happen to Labour, nationwide, after the first Brexitref,
Massively important constitutional plebiscites have a habit, it seems, of transforming national political landscapes. A bit like wars.
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
If Labour lose their deposit that will, rightly, be the headline tomorrow. LABOUR LOSE DEPOSIT IN WALES
Corbyn is really really REALLY close to destroying Labour, and allowing the Lib Dems to become the Opposition Party. How can an apparently sane, educated person like NPXMP not see this?!?!
Can you give us one reason for a labour remain voter not to vote libdem in this particular election?
No. And I cannot give you one reason why 80% of Labour voters would not switch to the Lib Dems at a General Election, if the Lib Dems look like a credible, Remainery, Unionist opposition.
Heck, even I might vote for them, given the shambles in the Tory party.
I could never, ever vote for Corbyn. That is your problem. Get RID of this repulsive Marxist Jew-hater. NOW.
My problem? That doesn’t even come in the top ten of my problems.
Sorry dude. My bad! It's late and I think I mistook you for a dimwitted lefty.
My ire is aimed at all Corbynites, and Labourites.
B&R Conservatives now 6 (30 to lay) on Betfair so someone thinks they know something.
And in the time it takes to type that, it is back to 20/50. It may be people closing open positions, as there is not much money left.
This seems to have had nowhere near the volume Peterborough had? Is that a function of its remoteness from folk with cash, or the sheer amount of other stuff going on? Ps, not expecting an answer from you. Just musing.
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
It was a very different seat pre-1983. Such commentators simply reveal their ignorance.
I'm really gutted about the 59.7% turn up. I had 7 to 1 with Ladbrokes that it would be 60 or more
You and me both. I recall, though, the AV referendum when I missed out on a turnout payday by 0.02 percent, and would've won had spoiled ballots counted!
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.
It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.
I have pitched an article to Mike and TSE on this very subject - why Jeremy Corbyn is going nowhere. Hopefully, it will get published on here.
You need to get inside the head of someone like Nick Palmer. Because it is people like him who sustain Corbyn in power. It ain't the kidz.
Palmer is clearly educated, not mad, intelligent, and well meaning. He sees something in Corbyn which escapes 80% of the population. Fair enough. Palmer wants a truly socialist alternative.
But how can Palmer NOT see that Corbyn is dangerously, wildly unpopular, to the extent that his (alleged) anti Semitism and (accepted) crypto-Chavezism is tarnishing the Labour brand, perhaps forever? More obviously, how can he not see the incredibly bad polling and incredibly bad election results, from the Euros to this by election?
It beggars belief. Yet Palmer believes in Corbyn. You need to get in that quasi-religious mindset, so you can disabuse it.
Just one Tory needed to jump ship after this result for the government to lose its majority. If you want to stop a No Deal Brexit at all costs, now's the time to do it.
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
Does it occur to you, even for a moment, that the more willing supporters of the opposite parties are to vote tactically against the Tories, the worse things will be for Boris Johnson and his crazy crew if he is mad enough to go for an early election?
B&R Conservatives now 6 (30 to lay) on Betfair so someone thinks they know something.
And in the time it takes to type that, it is back to 20/50. It may be people closing open positions, as there is not much money left.
This seems to have had nowhere near the volume Peterborough had? Is that a function of its remoteness from folk with cash, or the sheer amount of other stuff going on? Ps, not expecting an answer from you. Just musing.
There is (as SirNorfolkPassmore notes) more liquidity on the LibDems (as there invariably is on the favourite). Betfair, unusually, has the market principals in the wrong order.
As for other stuff going on, there are two major racing festivals: Glorious Goodwood, and Galway in Ireland. And 3/4 of pb posts were on the test match rather than politics.
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.
It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.
I have pitched an article to Mike and TSE on this very subject - why Jeremy Corbyn is going nowhere. Hopefully, it will get published on here.
You need to get inside the head of someone like Nick Palmer. Because it is people like him who sustain Corbyn in power. It ain't the kidz.
Palmer is clearly educated, not mad, intelligent, and well meaning. He sees something in Corbyn which escapes 80% of the population. Fair enough. Palmer wants a truly socialist alternative.
But how can Palmer NOT see that Corbyn is dangerously, wildly unpopular, to the extent that his (alleged) anti Semitism and (accepted) crypto-Chavezism is tarnishing the Labour brand, perhaps forever? More obviously, how can he not see the incredibly bad polling and incredibly bad election results, from the Euros to this by election?
It beggars belief. Yet Palmer believes in Corbyn. You need to get in that quasi-religious mindset, so you can disabuse it.
Nick’s like many members - he doesn’t need a Labour government and has no reason to worry about a Tory one. Supporting Corbyn makes him feel good, especially after the compromises and catastrophes of the Blair/Brown years. I think a lot of Labour members see themselves in Corbyn - quiet, unassuming, selfless, concerned. They ignore all the other stuff. They’ve convinced themselves it’s not true.
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.
It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.
I have pitched an article to Mike and TSE on this very subject - why Jeremy Corbyn is going nowhere. Hopefully, it will get published on here.
You need to get inside the head of someone like Nick Palmer. Because it is people like him who sustain Corbyn in power. It ain't the kidz.
Palmer is clearly educated, not mad, intelligent, and well meaning. He sees something in Corbyn which escapes 80% of the population. Fair enough. Palmer wants a truly socialist alternative.
But how can Palmer NOT see that Corbyn is dangerously, wildly unpopular, to the extent that his (alleged) anti Semitism and (accepted) crypto-Chavezism is tarnishing the Labour brand, perhaps forever? More obviously, how can he not see the incredibly bad polling and incredibly bad election results, from the Euros to this by election?
It beggars belief. Yet Palmer believes in Corbyn. You need to get in that quasi-religious mindset, so you can disabuse it.
But it is nothing like the disaster for Labour that Copeland was in late February 2017! The electoral dynamics of the seat in recent years always made a squeeze highly likely . Remember Richmond December 2016.
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
Does it occur to you, even for a moment, that the more willing supporters of the opposite parties are to vote tactically against the Tories, the worse things will be for Boris Johnson and his crazy crew if he is mad enough to go for an early election?
The polls are clearly showing Labour voters willing to vote LD, they are not showing LD voters willing to vote for Corbyn Labour
Just one Tory needed to jump ship after this result for the government to lose its majority. If you want to stop a No Deal Brexit at all costs, now's the time to do it.
Two in reality - because Elphick as an Independent will still be voting with the Tories.
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
Does it occur to you, even for a moment, that the more willing supporters of the opposite parties are to vote tactically against the Tories, the worse things will be for Boris Johnson and his crazy crew if he is mad enough to go for an early election?
But it won't. All the polls show that ~23% of people will vote for Corbyn & Labour come what may. At least at the moment.
That is easily enough to fatally split the Remainer vote.
Meanwhile, the anti-Semite Corbyn has lost his campaigning magic, and is poison to voters.
if Boris pounces now, he will win well. It must be tempting. Wait a year or two, and he could be facing Thornberry, and he loses VERY badly.
I noticed Ed Davey on sky and my opinion that Swinson was the best candidate for leader was validated. I think Davey needs to relax when he is on TV as he looks uncomfortable. I dont dislike him but rather like the facial ticks of David Liddington, you notice the unease of Davey. Swinson on the otherhand comes across well to me, she seems normal, which is good for a third party leader.
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
Does it occur to you, even for a moment, that the more willing supporters of the opposite parties are to vote tactically against the Tories, the worse things will be for Boris Johnson and his crazy crew if he is mad enough to go for an early election?
The polls are clearly showing Labour voters willing to vote LD, they are not showing LD voters willing to vote for Corbyn Labour
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
Does it occur to you, even for a moment, that the more willing supporters of the opposite parties are to vote tactically against the Tories, the worse things will be for Boris Johnson and his crazy crew if he is mad enough to go for an early election?
But it won't. All the polls show that ~23% of people will vote for Corbyn & Labour come what may. At least at the moment.
That is easily enough to fatally split the Remainer vote.
Meanwhile, the anti-Semite Corbyn has lost his campaigning magic, and is poison to voters.
if Boris pounces now, he will win well. It must be tempting. Wait a year or two, and he could be facing Thornberry, and he loses VERY badly.
Thornberry could lose her seat to the LDs on the latest polls in an autumn general election
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
Does it occur to you, even for a moment, that the more willing supporters of the opposite parties are to vote tactically against the Tories, the worse things will be for Boris Johnson and his crazy crew if he is mad enough to go for an early election?
But it won't. All the polls show that ~23% of people will vote for Corbyn & Labour come what may. At least at the moment.
That is easily enough to fatally split the Remainer vote.
Meanwhile, the anti-Semite Corbyn has lost his campaigning magic, and is poison to voters.
if Boris pounces now, he will win well. It must be tempting. Wait a year or two, and he could be facing Thornberry, and he loses VERY badly.
Do you even know what I mean by "tactical voting"? (Hint: Google Is Your Friend!)
Just one Tory needed to jump ship after this result for the government to lose its majority. If you want to stop a No Deal Brexit at all costs, now's the time to do it.
Two in reality - because Elphick as an Independent will still be voting with the Tories.
Three with O'Mara looking like quitting as soon as the house returns A thought - a low BXP score (under 10) that would have seen the Tories home might destroy them? Brexiteers see the folly of split voting?
If Labour lose their deposit that will, rightly, be the headline tomorrow. LABOUR LOSE DEPOSIT IN WALES
Corbyn is really really REALLY close to destroying Labour, and allowing the Lib Dems to become the Opposition Party. How can an apparently sane, educated person like NPXMP not see this?!?!
Can you give us one reason for a labour remain voter not to vote libdem in this particular election?
No. And I cannot give you one reason why 80% of Labour voters would not switch to the Lib Dems at a General Election, if the Lib Dems look like a credible, Remainery, Unionist opposition.
Heck, even I might vote for them, given the shambles in the Tory party.
I could never, ever vote for Corbyn. That is your problem. Get RID of this repulsive Marxist Jew-hater. NOW.
My problem? That doesn’t even come in the top ten of my problems.
Sorry dude. My bad! It's late and I think I mistook you for a dimwitted lefty.
My ire is aimed at all Corbynites, and Labourites.
More tea vicar? A result will be along soon.
Maybe not all lefties are dimwitted. The longer this goes on, Corbyn trashing the Corbyn brand, maybe less likely a corbynista follows him. So for southam I say chill dude, for every darkest hour there is always a rising sun.
But for you Byron, isn’t this the moment Tory’s (like Hugo Young) signed up to vote Corbyn in for in the first place, shouldn’t you be enjoying it?
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.
It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.
I have pitched an article to Mike and TSE on this very subject - why Jeremy Corbyn is going nowhere. Hopefully, it will get published on here.
You need to get inside the head of someone like Nick Palmer. Because it is people like him who sustain Corbyn in power. It ain't the kidz.
Palmer is clearly educated, not mad, intelligent, and well meaning. He sees something in Corbyn which escapes 80% of the population. Fair enough. Palmer wants a truly socialist alternative.
But how can Palmer NOT see that Corbyn is dangerously, wildly unpopular, to the extent that his (alleged) anti Semitism and (accepted) crypto-Chavezism is tarnishing the Labour brand, perhaps forever? More obviously, how can he not see the incredibly bad polling and incredibly bad election results, from the Euros to this by election?
It beggars belief. Yet Palmer believes in Corbyn. You need to get in that quasi-religious mindset, so you can disabuse it.
Nick’s like many members - he doesn’t need a Labour government and has no reason to worry about a Tory one. Supporting Corbyn makes him feel good, especially after the compromises and catastrophes of the Blair/Brown years. I think a lot of Labour members see themselves in Corbyn - quiet, unassuming, selfless, concerned. They ignore all the other stuff. They’ve convinced themselves it’s not true.
Exactly right. It is religious. It is self-regarding piety for the comfortably pious.
Perhaps it is a necessary devotional austerity, to cleanse the taint of the Blair-Iraq THING. I see the psychological need. Trouble is, this navel-gazing deprives the nation of a decent Opposition at the worst possible time since the Second World War.
It is ridiculously irresponsible. It is juvenile. It is wank, They deserve to die and be replaced by Swinson & Co.
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
Does it occur to you, even for a moment, that the more willing supporters of the opposite parties are to vote tactically against the Tories, the worse things will be for Boris Johnson and his crazy crew if he is mad enough to go for an early election?
But it won't. All the polls show that ~23% of people will vote for Corbyn & Labour come what may. At least at the moment.
That is easily enough to fatally split the Remainer vote.
Meanwhile, the anti-Semite Corbyn has lost his campaigning magic, and is poison to voters.
if Boris pounces now, he will win well. It must be tempting. Wait a year or two, and he could be facing Thornberry, and he loses VERY badly.
Thornberry could lose her seat to the LDs on the latest polls in an autumn general election
The polls are not implying the 25% swing needed for the LibDems to win Islington South!
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
Does it occur to you, even for a moment, that the more willing supporters of the opposite parties are to vote tactically against the Tories, the worse things will be for Boris Johnson and his crazy crew if he is mad enough to go for an early election?
But it won't. All the polls show that ~23% of people will vote for Corbyn & Labour come what may. At least at the moment.
That is easily enough to fatally split the Remainer vote.
Meanwhile, the anti-Semite Corbyn has lost his campaigning magic, and is poison to voters.
if Boris pounces now, he will win well. It must be tempting. Wait a year or two, and he could be facing Thornberry, and he loses VERY badly.
Do you even know what I mean by "tactical voting"? (Hint: Google Is Your Friend!)
Yes, I know what tactical voting is. I also know what Tribal Voting is. On top of that, I know that - by definition - 50% of the country has an IQ lower than 100 and are functionally incapable of understanding tactical voting (or indeed voting, or the concept of "a salad") so they will just go ahead and vote Labour, as they have done since they had their first cheeky Nandos age 2.
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.
It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.
I have pitched an article to Mike and TSE on this very subject - why Jeremy Corbyn is going nowhere. Hopefully, it will get published on here.
You need to get inside the head of someone like Nick Palmer. Because it is people like him who sustain Corbyn in power. It ain't the kidz.
Palmer is clearly educated, not mad, intelligent, and well meaning. He sees something in Corbyn which escapes 80% of the population. Fair enough. Palmer wants a truly socialist alternative.
But how can Palmer NOT see that Corbyn is dangerously, wildly unpopular, to the extent that his (alleged) anti Semitism and (accepted) crypto-Chavezism is tarnishing the Labour brand, perhaps forever? More obviously, how can he not see the incredibly bad polling and incredibly bad election results, from the Euros to this by election?
It beggars belief. Yet Palmer believes in Corbyn. You need to get in that quasi-religious mindset, so you can disabuse it.
Nick’s like many members - he doesn’t need a Labour government and has no reason to worry about a Tory one. Supporting Corbyn makes him feel good, especially after the compromises and catastrophes of the Blair/Brown years. I think a lot of Labour members see themselves in Corbyn - quiet, unassuming, selfless, concerned. They ignore all the other stuff. They’ve convinced themselves it’s not true.
Exactly right. It is religious. It is self-regarding piety for the comfortably pious.
Perhaps it is a necessary devotional austerity, to cleanse the taint of the Blair-Iraq THING. I see the psychological need. Trouble is, this navel-gazing deprives the nation of a decent Opposition at the worst possible time since the Second World War.
It is ridiculously irresponsible. It is juvenile. It is wank, They deserve to die and be replaced by Swinson & Co.
Boris is the Tory Corbyn: a lazy, untidy and shambolic race-baiter with an ambiguous position on Brexit, fandom of a foreign leader, leading a split party. Since Boris was elected only last week, perhaps the key to understanding Labour is to understand how Boris got the gig.
Just one Tory needed to jump ship after this result for the government to lose its majority. If you want to stop a No Deal Brexit at all costs, now's the time to do it.
Two in reality - because Elphick as an Independent will still be voting with the Tories.
Three with O'Mara looking like quitting as soon as the house returns A thought - a low BXP score (under 10) that would have seen the Tories home might destroy them? Brexiteers see the folly of split voting?
Postal votes were the deciding factor in Eastleigh, Peterborough and Heywood & Middleton IIRC. UKIP won most votes on the day in Eastleigh and H&M, and the Brexit Party in Peterborough.
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
Does it occur to you, even for a moment, that the more willing supporters of the opposite parties are to vote tactically against the Tories, the worse things will be for Boris Johnson and his crazy crew if he is mad enough to go for an early election?
But it won't. All the polls show that ~23% of people will vote for Corbyn & Labour come what may. At least at the moment.
That is easily enough to fatally split the Remainer vote.
Meanwhile, the anti-Semite Corbyn has lost his campaigning magic, and is poison to voters.
if Boris pounces now, he will win well. It must be tempting. Wait a year or two, and he could be facing Thornberry, and he loses VERY badly.
Do you even know what I mean by "tactical voting"? (Hint: Google Is Your Friend!)
Yes, I know what tactical voting is. I also know what Tribal Voting is. On top of that, I know that - by definition - 50% of the country has an IQ lower than 100 and are functionally incapable of understanding tactical voting (or indeed voting, or the concept of "a salad") so they will just go ahead and vote Labour, as they have done since they had their first cheeky Nandos age 2.
So what's the core Labour vote, according to you? 23% a few minutes ago, or 50% now? Or should we wait for you to sober up before asking?
Postal votes were the deciding factor in Eastleigh, Peterborough and Heywood & Middleton IIRC. UKIP won most votes on the day in Eastleigh and H&M, and the Brexit Party in Peterborough.
In which case those postal votes were not decisive!
Just one Tory needed to jump ship after this result for the government to lose its majority. If you want to stop a No Deal Brexit at all costs, now's the time to do it.
Two in reality - because Elphick as an Independent will still be voting with the Tories.
His court case starts 6th September. Unlikely, I imagine, that it will be concluded before Brexit Day.
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
Does it occur to you, even for a moment, that the more willing supporters of the opposite parties are to vote tactically against the Tories, the worse things will be for Boris Johnson and his crazy crew if he is mad enough to go for an early election?
But it won't. All the polls show that ~23% of people will vote for Corbyn & Labour come what may. At least at the moment.
That is easily enough to fatally split the Remainer vote.
Meanwhile, the anti-Semite Corbyn has lost his campaigning magic, and is poison to voters.
if Boris pounces now, he will win well. It must be tempting. Wait a year or two, and he could be facing Thornberry, and he loses VERY badly.
Do you even know what I mean by "tactical voting"? (Hint: Google Is Your Friend!)
Yes, I know what tactical voting is. I also know what Tribal Voting is. On top of that, I know that - by definition - 50% of the country has an IQ lower than 100 and are functionally incapable of understanding tactical voting (or indeed voting, or the concept of "a salad") so they will just go ahead and vote Labour, as they have done since they had their first cheeky Nandos age 2.
So what's the core Labour vote, according to you? 23% a few minutes ago, or 50% now? Or should we wait for you to sober up before asking?
Well, if the Tories have won, this count must be policed with an absolute ring of steel, because in every other count I've ever heard of, everyone in the room has had a pretty shrewd idea who is going to win by this time, or at least if it's close who is in contention.
Postal votes were the deciding factor in Eastleigh, Peterborough and Heywood & Middleton IIRC. UKIP won most votes on the day in Eastleigh and H&M, and the Brexit Party in Peterborough.
In which case those postal votes were not decisive!
Postal votes gave the LDs victory in Eastleigh even though they were behind in poling stations on the day, and the same thing happened for Labour in Peterborough and in Heywood & Middleton AFAIK.
Just one Tory needed to jump ship after this result for the government to lose its majority. If you want to stop a No Deal Brexit at all costs, now's the time to do it.
Two in reality - because Elphick as an Independent will still be voting with the Tories.
Three with O'Mara looking like quitting as soon as the house returns A thought - a low BXP score (under 10) that would have seen the Tories home might destroy them? Brexiteers see the folly of split voting?
4 surely?
1 as baseline apparently. Elphicke surely makes 3 ... 1 less for opposition and 1 more for government as he won't abstain. O'Mara then makes 4.
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.
It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.
I have pitched an article to Mike and TSE on this very subject - why Jeremy Corbyn is going nowhere. Hopefully, it will get published on here.
You
It beggars belief. Yet Palmer believes in Corbyn. You need to get in that quasi-religious mindset, so you can disabuse it.
Nick’s like many members - he doesn’t need a Labour government and has no reason to worry about a Tory one. Supporting Corbyn makes him feel good, especially after the compromises and catastrophes of the Blair/Brown years. I think a lot of Labour members see themselves in Corbyn - quiet, unassuming, selfless, concerned. They ignore all the other stuff. They’ve convinced themselves it’s not true.
Exactly right. It is religious. It is self-regarding piety for the comfortably pious.
Perhaps it is a necessary devotional austerity, to cleanse the taint of the Blair-Iraq THING. I see the psychological need. Trouble is, this navel-gazing deprives the nation of a decent Opposition at the worst possible time since the Second World War.
It is ridiculously irresponsible. It is juvenile. It is wank, They deserve to die and be replaced by Swinson & Co.
Boris is the Tory Corbyn: a lazy, untidy and shambolic race-baiter with an ambiguous position on Brexit, fandom of a foreign leader, leading a split party. Since Boris was elected only last week, perhaps the key to understanding Labour is to understand how Boris got the gig.
That's an interesting and valid insight.
I would only point out that Boris is MUCH smarter than Corbyn. Boris is an Eton scholar, a president of the Oxford Union, a very successful editor of the Spectator, and a twice elected London mayor (against the odds)
Corbyn is a nothing, A tadpole. A really quite stupid, and passively nasty polytechnic quasi-posho, who adopted his political beliefs in 1976 and has rigidly stuck by them against all evidence. A man who became a blinkered MP of a can't-lose constituency in his early years, and who hasn't looked ahead since.
Postal votes were the deciding factor in Eastleigh, Peterborough and Heywood & Middleton IIRC. UKIP won most votes on the day in Eastleigh and H&M, and the Brexit Party in Peterborough.
In which case those postal votes were not decisive!
Postal votes gave the LDs victory in Eastleigh even though they were behind in poling stations on the day, and the same thing happened for Labour in Peterborough and in Heywood & Middleton AFAIK.
Apologies ! I misread your earlier post - I missed the 'on the day ' reference.
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.
It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.
I have pitched an article to Mike and TSE on this very subject - why Jeremy Corbyn is going nowhere. Hopefully, it will get published on here.
You
It beggars belief. Yet Palmer believes in Corbyn. You need to get in that quasi-religious mindset, so you can disabuse it.
Exactly right. It is religious. It is self-regarding piety for the comfortably pious.
Perhaps it is a necessary devotional austerity, to cleanse the taint of the Blair-Iraq THING. I see the psychological need. Trouble is, this navel-gazing deprives the nation of a decent Opposition at the worst possible time since the Second World War.
It is ridiculously irresponsible. It is juvenile. It is wank, They deserve to die and be replaced by Swinson & Co.
Boris is the Tory Corbyn: a lazy, untidy and shambolic race-baiter with an ambiguous position on Brexit, fandom of a foreign leader, leading a split party. Since Boris was elected only last week, perhaps the key to understanding Labour is to understand how Boris got the gig.
That's an interesting and valid insight.
I would only point out that Boris is MUCH smarter than Corbyn. Boris is an Eton scholar, a president of the Oxford Union, a very successful editor of the Spectator, and a twice elected London mayor (against the odds)
Corbyn is a nothing, A tadpole. A really quite stupid, and passively nasty polytechnic quasi-posho, who adopted his political beliefs in 1976 and has rigidly stuck by them against all evidence. A man who became a blinkered MP of a can't-lose constituency in his early years, and who hasn't looked ahead since.
And yet, there is a parallel. You are right.
But Boris is also a much more malign and disreputable human being. Voters can see that.
Just one Tory needed to jump ship after this result for the government to lose its majority. If you want to stop a No Deal Brexit at all costs, now's the time to do it.
Two in reality - because Elphick as an Independent will still be voting with the Tories.
Three with O'Mara looking like quitting as soon as the house returns A thought - a low BXP score (under 10) that would have seen the Tories home might destroy them? Brexiteers see the folly of split voting?
4 surely?
1 as baseline apparently. Elphicke surely makes 3 ... 1 less for opposition and 1 more for government as he won't abstain. O'Mara then makes 4.
Aye. How different it all would have been if Change had run in the locals and the LDs hadn't got that boost by default. For all the misery of the post coalition, the Lib Dems have had a very lucky 2019 so far.
Well, if the Tories have won, this count must be policed with an absolute ring of steel, because in every other count I've ever heard of, everyone in the room has had a pretty shrewd idea who is going to win by this time, or at least if it's close who is in contention.
Wasn't there a vote a few years ago where Betfair was wrong even as the Returning Officer was on stage to announce the results? IIRC SNP won what was meant to be a SLAB hold but I may be wrong.
Not saying that has happened tonight but it wouldn't be unprecedented.
Well, if the Tories have won, this count must be policed with an absolute ring of steel, because in every other count I've ever heard of, everyone in the room has had a pretty shrewd idea who is going to win by this time, or at least if it's close who is in contention.
Wasn't there a vote a few years ago where Betfair was wrong even as the Returning Officer was on stage to announce the results? IIRC SNP won what was meant to be a SLAB hold but I may be wrong.
Not saying that has happened tonight but it wouldn't be unprecedented.
Mike's book had an example of this - it's probably happened a few times
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
Does it occur to you, even for a moment, that the more willing supporters of the opposite parties are to vote tactically against the Tories, the worse things will be for Boris Johnson and his crazy crew if he is mad enough to go for an early election?
But it won't. All the polls show that ~23% of people will vote for Corbyn & Labour come what may. At least at the moment.
That is easily enough to fatally split the Remainer vote.
Meanwhile, the anti-Semite Corbyn has lost his campaigning magic, and is poison to voters.
if Boris pounces now, he will win well. It must be tempting. Wait a year or two, and he could be facing Thornberry, and he loses VERY badly.
Do you even know what I mean by "tactical voting"? (Hint: Google Is Your Friend!)
Yes, I know what tactical voting is. I also know what Tribal Voting is. On top of that, I know that - by definition - 50% of the country has an IQ lower than 100 and are functionally incapable of understanding tactical voting (or indeed voting, or the concept of "a salad") so they will just go ahead and vote Labour, as they have done since they had their first cheeky Nandos age 2.
So what's the core Labour vote, according to you? 23% a few minutes ago, or 50% now? Or should we wait for you to sober up before asking?
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.
It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.
I have pitched an article to Mike and TSE on this very subject - why Jeremy Corbyn is going nowhere. Hopefully, it will get published on here.
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It beggars belief. Yet Palmer believes in Corbyn. You need to get in that quasi-religious mindset, so you can disabuse it.
Exactly right. It is religious. It is self-regarding piety for the comfortably pious.
Perhaps it is a necessary devotional austerity, to cleanse the taint of the Blair-Iraq THING. I see the psychological need. Trouble is, this navel-gazing deprives the nation of a decent Opposition at the worst possible time since the Second World War.
It is ridiculously irresponsible. It is juvenile. It is wank, They deserve to die and be replaced by Swinson & Co.
Boris is the Tory Corbyn: a lazy, untidy and shambolic race-baiter with an ambiguous position on Brexit, fandom of a foreign leader, leading a split party. Since Boris was elected only last week, perhaps the key to understanding Labour is to understand how Boris got the gig.
That's an interesting and valid insight.
I would only point out that Boris is MUCH smarter than Corbyn. Boris is an Eton scholar, a president of the Oxford Union, a very successful editor of the Spectator, and a twice elected London mayor (against the odds)
Corbyn is a nothing, A tadpole. A really quite stupid, and passively nasty polytechnic quasi-posho, who adopted his political beliefs in 1976 and has rigidly stuck by them against all evidence. A man who became a blinkered MP of a can't-lose constituency in his early years, and who hasn't looked ahead since.
And yet, there is a parallel. You are right.
But Boris is also a much more malign and disreputable human being. Voters can see that.
Boris might be a buffoon but I've never heard anyone describe him as malign.
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.
It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.
I have pitched an article to Mike and TSE on this very subject - why Jeremy Corbyn is going nowhere. Hopefully, it will get published on here.
You
It beggars belief. Yet Palmer believes in Corbyn. You need to get in that quasi-religious mindset, so you can disabuse it.
Exactly right. It is religious. It is self-regarding piety for the comfortably pious.
Perhaps it is a necessary devotional austerity, to cleanse the taint of the Blair-Iraq THING. I see the psychological need. Trouble is, this navel-gazing deprives the nation of a decent Opposition at the worst possible time since the Second World War.
It is ridiculously irresponsible. It is juvenile. It is wank, They deserve to die and be replaced by Swinson & Co.
Boris is the Tory Corbyn: a lazy, untidy and shambolic race-baiter with an ambiguous position on Brexit, fandom of a foreign leader, leading a split party. Since Boris was elected only last week, perhaps the key to understanding Labour is to understand how Boris got the gig.
That's an interesting and valid insight.
I would only point out that Boris is MUCH smarter than Corbyn. Boris is an Eton scholar, a president of the Oxford Union, a very successful editor of the Spectator, and a twice elected London mayor (against the odds)
Corbyn is a nothing, A tadpole. A really quite stupid, and passively nasty polytechnic quasi-posho, who adopted his political beliefs in 1976 and has rigidly stuck by them against all evidence. A man who became a blinkered MP of a can't-lose constituency in his early years, and who hasn't looked ahead since.
And yet, there is a parallel. You are right.
But Boris is also a much more malign and disreputable human being. Voters can see that.
Boris might be a buffoon but I've never heard anyone describe him as malign.
I'd class 20k new coppers to hassle the black kids off our streets as a malign policy.
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.
It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.
I have pitched an article to Mike and TSE on this very subject - why Jeremy Corbyn is going nowhere. Hopefully, it will get published on here.
You
It beggars belief. Yet Palmer believes in Corbyn. You need to get in that quasi-religious mindset, so you can disabuse it.
Exactly right. It is religious. It is self-regarding piety for the comfortably pious.
Perhaps it is a necessary devotional austerity, to cleanse the taint of the Blair-Iraq THING. I see the psychological need. Trouble is, this navel-gazing deprives the nation of a decent Opposition at the worst possible time since the Second World War.
It is ridiculously irresponsible. It is juvenile. It is wank, They deserve to die and be replaced by Swinson & Co.
Boris is thet the gig.
That's an interesting and valid insight.
I would only point out that Boris is MUCH smarter than Corbyn. Boris is an Eton scholar, a president of the Oxford Union, a very successful editor of the Spectator, and a twice elected London mayor (against the odds)
Corbyn is a nothing, A tadpole. A really quite stupid, and passively nasty polytechnic quasi-posho, who adopted his political beliefs in 1976 and has rigidly stuck by them against all evidence. A man who became a blinkered MP of a can't-lose constituency in his early years, and who hasn't looked ahead since.
And yet, there is a parallel. You are right.
But Boris is also a much more malign and disreputable human being. Voters can see that.
I'm not sure Boris is obviously more malign and disreputable than IRA-hugging, Hamas-loving Corbyn, and Corbyn has way more unpopular, far left, anti-British, Jew-hating political opinions.
That said, it clear that Boris is Marmite. It's just that Corbyn is even more badly Marmitey. I am searching for a good culinary analogy. I have found it. If Boris is Political Marmite, then Corbyn is Political Maggot Cheese, AKA Sardinian Casu Marzu
Well, if the Tories have won, this count must be policed with an absolute ring of steel, because in every other count I've ever heard of, everyone in the room has had a pretty shrewd idea who is going to win by this time, or at least if it's close who is in contention.
Wasn't there a vote a few years ago where Betfair was wrong even as the Returning Officer was on stage to announce the results?
You say Betfair was wrong to the extent of having the winner out in the 20s and the loser at 1.02-1.04?
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
Does it occur to you, even for a moment, that the more willing supporters of the opposite parties are to vote tactically against the Tories, the worse things will be for Boris Johnson and his crazy crew if he is mad enough to go for an early election?
But it won't. All the polls show that ~23% of people will vote for Corbyn & Labour come what may. At least at the moment.
That is easily enough to fatally split the Remainer vote.
Meanwhile, the anti-Semite Corbyn has lost his campaigning magic, and is poison to voters.
if Boris pounces now, he will win well. It must be tempting. Wait a year or two, and he could be facing Thornberry, and he loses VERY badly.
Do you even know what I mean by "tactical voting"? (Hint: Google Is Your Friend!)
Yes, I know what tactical voting is. I also know what Tribal Voting is. On top of that, I know that - by definition - 50% of the country has an IQ lower than 100 and are functionally incapable of understanding tactical voting (or indeed voting, or the concept of "a salad") so they will just go ahead and vote Labour, as they have done since they had their first cheeky Nandos age 2.
So what's the core Labour vote, according to you? 23% a few minutes ago, or 50% now? Or should we wait for you to sober up before asking?
"01.21 Not one Labour MP has tweeted about this by-election since the polls have closed. Nor have many activists as far as I’ve seen. But who can blame them? The picture is bleak."
Well, if the Tories have won, this count must be policed with an absolute ring of steel, because in every other count I've ever heard of, everyone in the room has had a pretty shrewd idea who is going to win by this time, or at least if it's close who is in contention.
Wasn't there a vote a few years ago where Betfair was wrong even as the Returning Officer was on stage to announce the results?
You say Betfair was wrong to the extent of having the winner out in the 20s and the loser at 1.02-1.04?
I would find that unbelievable.
It's happened - There's an example in Mike's book which I no longer have to hand.
Well, if the Tories have won, this count must be policed with an absolute ring of steel, because in every other count I've ever heard of, everyone in the room has had a pretty shrewd idea who is going to win by this time, or at least if it's close who is in contention.
Wasn't there a vote a few years ago where Betfair was wrong even as the Returning Officer was on stage to announce the results?
You say Betfair was wrong to the extent of having the winner out in the 20s and the loser at 1.02-1.04?
Well, if the Tories have won, this count must be policed with an absolute ring of steel, because in every other count I've ever heard of, everyone in the room has had a pretty shrewd idea who is going to win by this time, or at least if it's close who is in contention.
Wasn't there a vote a few years ago where Betfair was wrong even as the Returning Officer was on stage to announce the results?
You say Betfair was wrong to the extent of having the winner out in the 20s and the loser at 1.02-1.04?
I would find that unbelievable.
Going from memory it wasn't far from that. OGH or others could give details.
Not saying it's happened but it wouldn't be unprecedented.
"01.52 Labour source at the count confirms that it’s “looking pretty close”, though the Lib Dems seem to have “edged it”. Adds: “Still concerned about our deposit…”"
Sky News saying that despite holding this seat for 40 years until 1979 and getting 17% even in 2017, Labour may have lost its deposit in Brecon tonight
Does it occur to you, even for a moment, that the more willing supporters of the opposite parties are to vote tactically against the Tories, the worse things will be for Boris Johnson and his crazy crew if he is mad enough to go for an early election?
But it won't. All the polls show that ~23% of people will vote for Corbyn & Labour come what may. At least at the moment.
That is easily enough to fatally split the Remainer vote.
Meanwhile, the anti-Semite Corbyn has lost his campaigning magic, and is poison to voters.
if Boris pounces now, he will win well. It must be tempting. Wait a year or two, and he could be facing Thornberry, and he loses VERY badly.
Do you even know what I mean by "tactical voting"? (Hint: Google Is Your Friend!)
Yes, I know what tactical voting is. I also know what Tribal Voting is. On top of that, I know that - by definition - 50% of the country has an IQ lower than 100 and are functionally incapable of understanding tactical voting (or indeed voting, or the concept of "a salad") so they will just go ahead and vote Labour, as they have done since they had their first cheeky Nandos age 2.
So what's the core Labour vote, according to you? 23% a few minutes ago, or 50% now? Or should we wait for you to sober up before asking?
~23%
Sure it's not 11%? Or 100%?
~23%
YAWN.
Have some compassion on the people who are taking the trouble to try to make sense of this stuff!
I'm not sure Boris is obviously more malign and disreputable than IRA-hugging, Hamas-loving Corbyn, and Corbyn has way more unpopular, far left, anti-British, Jew-hating political opinions.
That said, it clear that Boris is Marmite. It's just that Corbyn is even more badly Marmitey. I am searching for a good culinary analogy. I have found it. If Boris is Political Marmite, then Corbyn is Political Maggot Cheese, AKA Sardinian Casu Marzu
"01.52 Labour source at the count confirms that it’s “looking pretty close”, though the Lib Dems seem to have “edged it”. Adds: “Still concerned about our deposit…”"
If true it’s a shame libdems aren’t smart enough to keep quiet about that bit and keep Corbyn in job for as long as possible then.
Corbyn’s not going anywhere whatever happens.
It is indescribably stupid that Corbyn is still there. The entire PLP should resign. The alternative is oblivion.
I have pitched an article to Mike and TSE on this very subject - why Jeremy Corbyn is going nowhere. Hopefully, it will get published on here.
You
It beggars belief. Yet Palmer believes in Corbyn. You need to get in that quasi-religious mindset, so you can disabuse it.
Exactly right. It is religious. It is self-regarding piety for the comfortably pious.
Perhaps it is a necessary devotional austerity, to cleanse the taint of the Blair-Iraq THING. I see the psychological need. Trouble is, this navel-gazing deprives the nation of a decent Opposition at the worst possible time since the Second World War.
It is ridiculously irresponsible. It is juvenile. It is wank, They deserve to die and be replaced by Swinson & Co.
Boris is the Tory Corbyn: a lazy, untidy and shambolic race-baiter with an ambiguous position on Brexit, fandom of a foreign leader, leading a split party. Since Boris was elected only last week, perhaps the key to understanding Labour is to understand how Boris got the gig.
That's an interesting and valid insight.
I would only point out that Boris is MUCH smarter than Corbyn. Boris is an Eton scholar, a president of the Oxford Union, a very successful editor of the Spectator, and a twice elected London mayor (against the odds)
Corbyn is a nothing, A tadpole. A really quite stupid, and passively nasty polytechnic quasi-posho, who adopted his political beliefs in 1976 and has rigidly stuck by them against all evidence. A man who became a blinkered MP of a can't-lose constituency in his early years, and who hasn't looked ahead since.
And yet, there is a parallel. You are right.
But Boris is also a much more malign and disreputable human being. Voters can see that.
Boris might be a buffoon but I've never heard anyone describe him as malign.
I am surprised you say that. Many have referred to him as 'a thoroughly nasty piece of work'.
Well, if the Tories have won, this count must be policed with an absolute ring of steel, because in every other count I've ever heard of, everyone in the room has had a pretty shrewd idea who is going to win by this time, or at least if it's close who is in contention.
Wasn't there a vote a few years ago where Betfair was wrong even as the Returning Officer was on stage to announce the results?
You say Betfair was wrong to the extent of having the winner out in the 20s and the loser at 1.02-1.04?
I would find that unbelievable.
It's happened - There's an example in Mike's book which I no longer have to hand.
I'm not saying Betfair can't be wrong, of course, but I think anyone who has been to a count and watched the ballot papers piling up will be sceptical about Betfair being wrong by so much in a by-election.
Well, if the Tories have won, this count must be policed with an absolute ring of steel, because in every other count I've ever heard of, everyone in the room has had a pretty shrewd idea who is going to win by this time, or at least if it's close who is in contention.
Wasn't there a vote a few years ago where Betfair was wrong even as the Returning Officer was on stage to announce the results?
You say Betfair was wrong to the extent of having the winner out in the 20s and the loser at 1.02-1.04?
I would find that unbelievable.
It's happened - There's an example in Mike's book which I no longer have to hand.
I'm not saying Betfair can't be wrong, of course, but I think anyone who has been to a count and watched the ballot papers piling up will be sceptical about Betfair being wrong by so much in a by-election.
Not everyone at the count in logged onto betfair on their smartphones y'know!
Well, if the Tories have won, this count must be policed with an absolute ring of steel, because in every other count I've ever heard of, everyone in the room has had a pretty shrewd idea who is going to win by this time, or at least if it's close who is in contention.
Wasn't there a vote a few years ago where Betfair was wrong even as the Returning Officer was on stage to announce the results?
You say Betfair was wrong to the extent of having the winner out in the 20s and the loser at 1.02-1.04?
I would find that unbelievable.
It's happened - There's an example in Mike's book which I no longer have to hand.
I'm not saying Betfair can't be wrong, of course, but I think anyone who has been to a count and watched the ballot papers piling up will be sceptical about Betfair being wrong by so much in a by-election.
At some counts it can be very difficult to see the aggregate bundles; at others it's easy. I've been trying to trace the case above as I vaguely remember it: I think it's a Scottish one from the 2005 Parliament.
Well, if the Tories have won, this count must be policed with an absolute ring of steel, because in every other count I've ever heard of, everyone in the room has had a pretty shrewd idea who is going to win by this time, or at least if it's close who is in contention.
Wasn't there a vote a few years ago where Betfair was wrong even as the Returning Officer was on stage to announce the results?
You say Betfair was wrong to the extent of having the winner out in the 20s and the loser at 1.02-1.04?
I would find that unbelievable.
It's happened - There's an example in Mike's book which I no longer have to hand.
I'm not saying Betfair can't be wrong, of course, but I think anyone who has been to a count and watched the ballot papers piling up will be sceptical about Betfair being wrong by so much in a by-election.
Not everyone at the count in logged onto betfair on their smartphones y'know!
Well, if the Tories have won, this count must be policed with an absolute ring of steel, because in every other count I've ever heard of, everyone in the room has had a pretty shrewd idea who is going to win by this time, or at least if it's close who is in contention.
Wasn't there a vote a few years ago where Betfair was wrong even as the Returning Officer was on stage to announce the results?
You say Betfair was wrong to the extent of having the winner out in the 20s and the loser at 1.02-1.04?
I would find that unbelievable.
It's happened - There's an example in Mike's book which I no longer have to hand.
I'm not saying Betfair can't be wrong, of course, but I think anyone who has been to a count and watched the ballot papers piling up will be sceptical about Betfair being wrong by so much in a by-election.
At some counts it can be very difficult to see the aggregate bundles; at others it's easy. I've been trying to trace the case above as I vaguely remember it: I think it's a Scottish one from the 2005 Parliament.
It's the one before Lindsay Roy won. It was an SNP gain against predictions, can't remember which seat....... yes I can, Glasgow east
I think if Boris can get a convicted criminal within a few % hes not gonna be scared of an election
Tory spinners will probably use the line, Boris squeezed the BXP vote, rather than emphasise the candidate's criminal record. After all, he might still be the candidate in a snap general election called next month.
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It happened to Labour in Scotland after the first indyref (and there are no signs of them returning five years later), I see no logical reason why it cannot happen to Labour, nationwide, after the first Brexitref,
Massively important constitutional plebiscites have a habit, it seems, of transforming national political landscapes. A bit like wars.
My ire is aimed at all Corbynites, and Labourites.
Ps, not expecting an answer from you. Just musing.
Palmer is clearly educated, not mad, intelligent, and well meaning. He sees something in Corbyn which escapes 80% of the population. Fair enough. Palmer wants a truly socialist alternative.
But how can Palmer NOT see that Corbyn is dangerously, wildly unpopular, to the extent that his (alleged) anti Semitism and (accepted) crypto-Chavezism is tarnishing the Labour brand, perhaps forever? More obviously, how can he not see the incredibly bad polling and incredibly bad election results, from the Euros to this by election?
It beggars belief. Yet Palmer believes in Corbyn. You need to get in that quasi-religious mindset, so you can disabuse it.
Here's my crappy book-
Con +163
LD -28
Brexit +8
Other -102
https://twitter.com/adrianmasters84/status/1157075590719184897?s=20
As for other stuff going on, there are two major racing festivals: Glorious Goodwood, and Galway in Ireland. And 3/4 of pb posts were on the test match rather than politics.
Come on, Boris Believers, surely you have the sheer willpower to save the Tories?
That is easily enough to fatally split the Remainer vote.
Meanwhile, the anti-Semite Corbyn has lost his campaigning magic, and is poison to voters.
if Boris pounces now, he will win well. It must be tempting. Wait a year or two, and he could be facing Thornberry, and he loses VERY badly.
I noticed Ed Davey on sky and my opinion that Swinson was the best candidate for leader was validated. I think Davey needs to relax when he is on TV as he looks uncomfortable. I dont dislike him but rather like the facial ticks of David Liddington, you notice the unease of Davey. Swinson on the otherhand comes across well to me, she seems normal, which is good for a third party leader.
A thought - a low BXP score (under 10) that would have seen the Tories home might destroy them? Brexiteers see the folly of split voting?
Maybe not all lefties are dimwitted. The longer this goes on, Corbyn trashing the Corbyn brand, maybe less likely a corbynista follows him. So for southam I say chill dude, for every darkest hour there is always a rising sun.
But for you Byron, isn’t this the moment Tory’s (like Hugo Young) signed up to vote Corbyn in for in the first place, shouldn’t you be enjoying it?
Perhaps it is a necessary devotional austerity, to cleanse the taint of the Blair-Iraq THING. I see the psychological need. Trouble is, this navel-gazing deprives the nation of a decent Opposition at the worst possible time since the Second World War.
It is ridiculously irresponsible. It is juvenile. It is wank, They deserve to die and be replaced by Swinson & Co.
Girl: Bloke! Get some stuff from the shop!
Bloke: Whaddya want?
Girl: Something vaguely good. Fruit. Nuts. Stuff like that.
Bloke: Jaffa Cakes & vodka?
Girl: Marry me.
Night all
1 as baseline apparently. Elphicke surely makes 3 ... 1 less for opposition and 1 more for government as he won't abstain. O'Mara then makes 4.
I would only point out that Boris is MUCH smarter than Corbyn. Boris is an Eton scholar, a president of the Oxford Union, a very successful editor of the Spectator, and a twice elected London mayor (against the odds)
Corbyn is a nothing, A tadpole. A really quite stupid, and passively nasty polytechnic quasi-posho, who adopted his political beliefs in 1976 and has rigidly stuck by them against all evidence. A man who became a blinkered MP of a can't-lose constituency in his early years, and who hasn't looked ahead since.
And yet, there is a parallel. You are right.
How different it all would have been if Change had run in the locals and the LDs hadn't got that boost by default. For all the misery of the post coalition, the Lib Dems have had a very lucky 2019 so far.
Not saying that has happened tonight but it wouldn't be unprecedented.
https://labourlist.org/2019/08/brecon-radnorshire-by-election-liveblog/
That said, it clear that Boris is Marmite. It's just that Corbyn is even more badly Marmitey. I am searching for a good culinary analogy. I have found it. If Boris is Political Marmite, then Corbyn is Political Maggot Cheese, AKA Sardinian Casu Marzu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_marzu
Jane Dodds, the Lib Dem candidate, has not yet arrived at the count."
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/voters-head-to-the-polls-for-brecon-and-radnorshire-byelection-live-a4202956.html
I would find that unbelievable.
YAWN.
Jezza gone by the morning???
Not saying it's happened but it wouldn't be unprecedented.
https://labourlist.org/2019/08/brecon-radnorshire-by-election-liveblog/