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https://twitter.com/ianbirrell/status/1154095600050364416
Good point about those idiot MPs who decided to join the Boris bandwagon having fallen for the OneNation talk in their one-to-ones.
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Thank you Dr Nick. Hope you're felling better now?NickPalmer said:
No, maybe a bit upwards. The job is basically a roving fix-it position - Lidington had it last, and he was deputy PM.GIN1138 said:
Is that a demoation?JBriskinindyref2 said:Govey got something-
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1154091545819262977
I really must eat my Chinese now
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Someone, apologies cant remember who, said it was BINO and therefore needs to pack the payroll vote with ERG and hard brexiteers, with the remain and moderate tories on the back benches preferring BINO to risking no deal. Would make sense but also more machievellian and risky than I would expect from our new PM - if he is thinking that far ahead it may just work.dixiedean said:Yet to hear a convincing rationale behind this Cabinet. I mean Patel, Williamson?
This plan better be super cunning, cos so far no one on PB seems to have seen it.0 -
Tory minority government swings to hard right and not a single real public voter has been involved in this complete make-over.0
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David Mellor on top form.0
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No. There is no rational explanation for this cabinet.IanB2 said:
Unless we were all really evil in a previous life.0 -
Sky really need to do something about that f**king music.0
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Wonder what Darius Guppy thinks of this all0
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I though YouGov had debunked the UKIP / BXP entrist theory?JosiasJessop said:
That is all good and well. except:Zephyr said:Beneath the picture above are some thoughts from Nabavi I don’t accept as honest. The bottom line is, where you say it’s no deal you object to you are not being honest by admitting it’s any hard brexit you are still refusing to be part of.
The Conservative party has definitely changed from the 80’s, now modern, progressive, inclusive. Boris wants to save this Conservative party from disaster. There’s a huge number of Conservative members and voters who passionately believe the way forward out of Britain’s decline in this world has to be a break from the EU and go global Britain. They will go to Farage’s neo Thatcherite Party if the Conservative government doesn’t deliver Brexit. Perhaps go for ever. To fight back at the source of Boris power remainers need to battle for those voters too, not remain in denial about what has happened and why. Progress in this instance is satisfying what remainers across the political spectrum remain blinkered to, the desire of the British people for self governance and reversing Britain’s decline in the world.
Address this point and explain where I am wrong. A hard brexit, that is ripping up our membership of EU elements like SM and CU that UK helped build to protect us from 21st century globalisation, a hard brexit like Tmay put to the house 3 times, because really yes her deal waffle and all is a hard brexit, ends in a place little different where a no deal exit ends up. Truth is no deal won’t remain no deal, it just brings a few months added chaos before it all comes together in the same place as a hard brexit. So anyone saying they can’t support no deal are thoroughly dishonest hiding behind no deal often bigging it up up with chaff, by not admitting it’s any hard brexit they can’t bring themselves to accept.
*) IME the UKIP-entry 'Boriservative' party is not about being modern, progressive or inclusive. Hence the UKIP-candidate who once complained about the evils of immigration in front of my wife.
*) Farage is not 'neo-Thatcherite'. He's the first Faragist.
*) I'm intrigued about what you think the cause of 'Britain’s decline in this world' actually was.
From the messages I am seeing tonight, many of the Conservative Party members that I know are quite relaxed by these appointments. At least nobody will be able to say that the Brexiteers didn't get a chance to drive the bus off the cliff.0 -
It's a direct move into BXP territory with an autumn election in mind. There can be no other explanation.dixiedean said:Yet to hear a convincing rationale behind this Cabinet. I mean Patel, Williamson?
This plan better be super cunning, cos so far no one on PB seems to have seen it.
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Is it the equivalent of ransomware? He/She keeps playing unless paid £500 to go away for the day perhaps?Slackbladder said:Sky really need to do something about that f**king music.
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Scott_P said:
They all drank the Kool Aiddixiedean said:Yet to hear a convincing rationale behind this Cabinet. I mean Patel, Williamson?
This plan better be super cunning, cos so far no one on PB seems to have seen it.williamglenn said:
It's the Conservatives versus the Brexit Party as a reprise of Vote Leave versus Leave EU.dixiedean said:Yet to hear a convincing rationale behind this Cabinet. I mean Patel, Williamson?
This plan better be super cunning, cos so far no one on PB seems to have seen it.
Thank you for three plausible suggestions. Good grief.rottenborough said:
They are so crap they will not show up Johnson.dixiedean said:Yet to hear a convincing rationale behind this Cabinet. I mean Patel, Williamson?
This plan better be super cunning, cos so far no one on PB seems to have seen it.0 -
Hoping the new Home Sec cracks down on glockenspiels in public places as a matter of urgency.1
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Boris is currently having Enoch Powell exhumed ready for the post of Immigration Minister....0
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As I said below, doesn’t this thread make you wonder whether you might do something more purposeful in politics than futile handwringing from within Labour?SouthamObserver said:Johnson is assembling the most right wing government this country has ever had. The Tories have basically become the BXP. It's a huge gamble. But one that Jeremy Corbyn's leadership of the Labour party makes possible. I suspect it will win Johnson his election, but what happens subsequently will destroy the Tories for years to come.
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I would absolutely credit Boris with the machiavellian bit. It's the thinking far ahead part I have a problem with.noneoftheabove said:
Someone, apologies cant remember who, said it was BINO and therefore needs to pack the payroll vote with ERG and hard brexiteers, with the remain and moderate tories on the back benches preferring BINO to risking no deal. Would make sense but also more machievellian and risky than I would expect from our new PM - if he is thinking that far ahead it may just work.dixiedean said:Yet to hear a convincing rationale behind this Cabinet. I mean Patel, Williamson?
This plan better be super cunning, cos so far no one on PB seems to have seen it.0 -
At least the Labour party had the decency to be taken over by the hard left while in opposition, eh?rottenborough said:Tory minority government swings to hard right and not a single real public voter has been involved in this complete make-over.
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I am not in Labour.IanB2 said:
As I said below, doesn’t this thread make you wonder whether you might do something more purposeful in politics than futile handwringing from within Labour?SouthamObserver said:Johnson is assembling the most right wing government this country has ever had. The Tories have basically become the BXP. It's a huge gamble. But one that Jeremy Corbyn's leadership of the Labour party makes possible. I suspect it will win Johnson his election, but what happens subsequently will destroy the Tories for years to come.
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Hopefully Amber Rudd is going to NI.0
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RIP Rutger Hauer.0
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Wouldn’t it be funny if several Tories resigned the whip tomorrow just after Bozos Commons speech.0
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The new Home Secretary will probably introduce legislation allowing the stalking of protesters with rifles. On the serious side I think it counterproductive with the noise as I watched Sky news and changed channels because it irritated me so much. The same goes for the man who shouts stop Brexit. Visual protests were ok but the shouting and music has to stop!noneoftheabove said:
Is it the equivalent of ransomware? He/She keeps playing unless paid £500 to go away for the day perhaps?Slackbladder said:Sky really need to do something about that f**king music.
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Boris having already put far too many bell ends into public, what would be the point?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Hoping the new Home Sec cracks down on glockenspiels in public places as a matter of urgency.
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I have had some serious arguments with Richard over the years, in my various guises. He and I are not kindred spirits politically. Yet he is an astute, highly intelligent, conscientious, thoughtful man. It is deeply saddening to read his blog, which is a seminal piece on PB.Mysticrose said:That's an awful decision on Penny Mordaunt.
Richard Nabavi, this is a heart-rending thread and you have as much empathy as I can extend across the ether. I am taking the liberty of sharing it with some Conservative friends of mine.0 -
How can she bear to be in this Cabinet? Likewise Hancock.tlg86 said:Hopefully Amber Rudd is going to NI.
Truly politicians can be careerist fatbergers.0 -
Excellent header; among its many fine qualities is that of being concise.
I'm out, probably for good, and I'm a lifelong bring back hunting and abolish all death taxes tory. It'll be fun to have a shot at unseating that lump of lard Cox.0 -
I'm a Thatcherite, Libertarian and prefer No Deal to May's deal. So 2.5-3 out of 3 good for me.rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1154093304327356416Philip_Thompson said:
Of course it was Foot as LOTO that allowed Thatcher to turn further and further right.SouthamObserver said:Johnson is assembling the most right wing government this country has ever had. The Tories have basically become the BXP. It's a huge gamble. But one that Jeremy Corbyn's leadership of the Labour party makes possible. I suspect it will win Johnson his election, but what happens subsequently will destroy the Tories for years to come.
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So:
Foreign Secretary - man who doesn't know where Dover is
Home Secretary - sacked less than two years ago for running a parallel foreign policy and lying about it (frankly the lying is the sanest thing about it)
Education Secretary(?) - Sacked six months ago for leaking state secrets
Still, none of them as bad as the Prime Minister's CV. Maybe he's appointing them all to try and bask in their reflected glory?0 -
Thanks, GIN - yes, seemingly fine again! Spinning with the best oif usGIN1138 said:
Thank you Dr Nick. Hope you're felling better now? 2 -
No. Reggie Maudling was - and possibly David Waddington in late 80s.Gardenwalker said:Is Patel the first pro-hanging Home Sec since 1962?
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Any news on Hancock yet? I'm guessing remaining at health, only question whether he is promoting anti Sugar measures or against them?
Do ministers staying in place actually get 're-announced'?0 -
No. It would be bloody brilliant.nico67 said:Wouldn’t it be funny if several Tories resigned the whip tomorrow just after Bozos Commons speech.
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Yeah it's been officially confirmed on the PM's Twitter.alex. said:Any news on Hancock yet? I'm guessing remaining at health, only question whether he is promoting anti Sugar measures or against them?
Do ministers staying in place actually get 're-announced'?0 -
Is that the first person to stay in post?JBriskinindyref2 said:0 -
I don't recall ever saying anything nasty about Leon Brittan. though I ay have forgotten it. Remind me? By and large I don't do nastiness.JosiasJessop said:
Zac has been poisoned by the same issue that Watson has (Brittan and the Beech affair) . I don't care how much he cares for animals or the environment: when it comes to people and common decency he's utter scum.NickPalmer said:
I wonder if Zac might get it. He'd be good.SandyRentool said:So which climate change denier is taking over at Environment?
Come to mention it: you were rather aggrieved the other day about a Labour apparatchik being 'hounded' whilst having cancer. Have you had a chance to look back in your posts to show where you showed similar concern about Leon Brittan?
Or is it just Labourites who deserve such compassion?0 -
'protesters with rifles'The_Taxman said:
The new Home Secretary will probably introduce legislation allowing the stalking of protesters with rifles. On the serious side I think it counterproductive with the noise as I watched Sky news and changed channels because it irritated me so much. The same goes for the man who shouts stop Brexit. Visual protests were ok but the shouting and music has to stop!noneoftheabove said:
Is it the equivalent of ransomware? He/She keeps playing unless paid £500 to go away for the day perhaps?Slackbladder said:Sky really need to do something about that f**king music.
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I think it would be funny as well.rottenborough said:
No. It would be bloody brilliant.nico67 said:Wouldn’t it be funny if several Tories resigned the whip tomorrow just after Bozos Commons speech.
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Ditto.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm a Thatcherite, Libertarian and prefer No Deal to May's deal. So 2.5-3 out of 3 good for me.rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1154093304327356416Philip_Thompson said:
Of course it was Foot as LOTO that allowed Thatcher to turn further and further right.SouthamObserver said:Johnson is assembling the most right wing government this country has ever had. The Tories have basically become the BXP. It's a huge gamble. But one that Jeremy Corbyn's leadership of the Labour party makes possible. I suspect it will win Johnson his election, but what happens subsequently will destroy the Tories for years to come.
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No Brexit secretary Barclay was the firstydoethur said:
Is that the first person to stay in post?JBriskinindyref2 said:0 -
So this is what a putsch looks like.
The Tory party has been taken over by the Brexit Party.
If only we had a decent Leader of the Opposition .....0 -
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Hardly. Would be far too moderate for this cabinet.Nigelb said:
At this point, curiously believable.TheScreamingEagles said:1 -
OK - so the first person in an actual job to stay in post?JBriskinindyref2 said:
No Brexit secretary Barclay was the firstydoethur said:
Is that the first person to stay in post?JBriskinindyref2 said:0 -
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NEW THREAD
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Will he be cheesed off if she doesn't?rottenborough said:And the satire continues:
https://twitter.com/andrewpolitics/status/1154099308310016005
Will he force her to Field questions?
Will she let the Americans screw her?
The puns just write themselves...0 -
Evening all
I'm left with two thoughts.
First, having been a member of a political party for nearly 40 years, I fully understand Richard N's emotional struggle and turmoil at cutting himself away from something which has ben part of his life. I've walked the line myself on two or three occasions but never crossed it. I respect Richard N as a conservative and while I don't always agree with him, I have always known he puts the welfare of the citizens of the country at the highest level. We don't I think differ much on ends but we do differ on means.
Second, sometimes when you are a leader of men and women you have to make a tough call - do you have around you people who support you, people you can trust or do you surround yourself with the best people for the job who may not like you but you know are the people you need in that role. Neither Churchill in 1940 nor Thatcher in 1975 (as two examples) inherited teams which were full of allies and supporters. The art is to trust the people best able to do the job to do the job - that's what counts not whether they cheer you to the rafters every time you say something.
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Yes, I cannot see how BoJo the clown keeps his parliamentary majority. In politics timing is everything. Probably not wise to resign the whip today but tomorrow is a different prospect...nico67 said:Wouldn’t it be funny if several Tories resigned the whip tomorrow just after Bozos Commons speech.
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Invest heavily in lube producers.ydoethur said:
Will he be cheesed off if she doesn't?rottenborough said:And the satire continues:
https://twitter.com/andrewpolitics/status/1154099308310016005
Will he force her to Field questions?
Will she let the Americans screw her?
The puns just write themselves...0 -
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-uk-trade-boris-wednesday-1.5221984rottenborough said:And the satire continues:
https://twitter.com/andrewpolitics/status/1154099308310016005
"Why would Canada make any concessions in a CETA equivalent [deal] when we know that we'll have pretty much 95 per cent duty-free access into that market?" said Brian Kingston, vice-president of the Business Council of Canada.
"Yes, the U.K. is an important and large market, but any negotiator sitting down with them would recognize that there's a different level of desperation with the Brits."0 -
I actually feel sick.0
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I felt like that yesterday when I discovered BJ had won.rottenborough said:I actually feel sick.
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Rancid bunch on the whole. Looks like the plan is to surf the wave of cheap softhead populism and hope the British people succumb when the inevitable 'crisis' election comes.
Could well work. Because to paraphrase BoJo - if you bet against the British people's delusion that they are in some way special you will usually lose your shirt.0 -
Oppositions that sit around passively awaiting events are not usually effective. Labour is doing a lot of policy work which is going unreported, so they need to do some vaguely media-friendly stuff too.Cyclefree said:
So what’s the point of calling rallies demanding a GE then?0 -
What is Johnson doing about tomorrow's travel chaos?!?
Less than a day into the job and the country already falling down around his ears!0 -
Forget all the politics. The news of the death of Rutger Hauer has left me deeply upset tonight. A fabulous actor and responsible for one of the greatest soliloquies in cinematic history.
RIP.1 -
Anyway, on a more interesting note, anyone recognise the picture on the Queen's wall?0
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This thread has been
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If say, 40 SNP MPs and 120 Labour MPs temporarily defected to the LibDems, would she be able to call a VonC?Nigelb said:
Give Swinson a chance.....Cyclefree said:So this is what a putsch looks like.
The Tory party has been taken over by the Brexit Party.
If only we had a decent Leader of the Opposition .....
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"By and large I don't do nastiness" ... except when you accuse me of being a stalker because I had the temerity to question you. That was exceedingly non-nasty.NickPalmer said:
I don't recall ever saying anything nasty about Leon Brittan. though I ay have forgotten it. Remind me? By and large I don't do nastiness.JosiasJessop said:
Zac has been poisoned by the same issue that Watson has (Brittan and the Beech affair) . I don't care how much he cares for animals or the environment: when it comes to people and common decency he's utter scum.NickPalmer said:
I wonder if Zac might get it. He'd be good.SandyRentool said:So which climate change denier is taking over at Environment?
Come to mention it: you were rather aggrieved the other day about a Labour apparatchik being 'hounded' whilst having cancer. Have you had a chance to look back in your posts to show where you showed similar concern about Leon Brittan?
Or is it just Labourites who deserve such compassion?
But it's not about 'saying anything nasty about Leon Brittan'. It's the fact you saw it as terrible that opponents were criticising someone for her behaviour in a role whilst she had cancer (and saw fit to comment about it unprompted), yet remained quiet when Watson (who at the time was on your side) was slandering and slurring an innocent man dying of cancer. And the slurs were about a hideous crime.
The obvious difference being that the former is a Corbyn acolyte accused of doing wrong, whilst the latter was a retired Conservative?
Perhaps you should put animal rights to one side for a while and start considering human decency.1 -
Well, on here we've seen at least one (now sadly banned) UKIP entriest who was telling long-term Conservatives how they weren't really Conservative.ExiledInScotland said:
I though YouGov had debunked the UKIP / BXP entrist theory?JosiasJessop said:
That is all good and well. except:Zephyr said:Beneath the picture above are some thoughts from Nabavi I don’t accept as honest. The bottom line is, where you say it’s no deal you object to you are not being honest by admitting it’s any hard brexit you are still refusing to be part of.
The Conservative party has definitely changed from the 80’s, now modern, progressive, inclusive. Boris wants to save this Conservative party from disaster. There’s a huge number of Conservative members and voters who passionately believe the way forward out of Britain’s decline in this world has to be a break from the EU and go global Britain. They will go to Farage’s neo Thatcherite Party if the Conservative government doesn’t deliver Brexit. Perhaps go for ever. To fight back at the source of Boris power remainers need to battle for those voters too, not remain in denial about what has happened and why. Progress in this instance is satisfying what remainers across the political spectrum remain blinkered to, the desire of the British people for self governance and reversing Britain’s decline in the world.
Address this point and explain where I am wrong. A hard brexit, that is ripping up our membership of EU elements like SM and CU that UK helped build to protect us from 21st century globalisation, a hard brexit like Tmay put to the house 3 times, because really yes her deal waffle and all is a hard brexit, ends in a place little different where a no deal exit ends up. Truth is no deal won’t remain no deal, it just brings a few months added chaos before it all comes together in the same place as a hard brexit. So anyone saying they can’t support no deal are thoroughly dishonest hiding behind no deal often bigging it up up with chaff, by not admitting it’s any hard brexit they can’t bring themselves to accept.
*) IME the UKIP-entry 'Boriservative' party is not about being modern, progressive or inclusive. Hence the UKIP-candidate who once complained about the evils of immigration in front of my wife.
*) Farage is not 'neo-Thatcherite'. He's the first Faragist.
*) I'm intrigued about what you think the cause of 'Britain’s decline in this world' actually was.
From the messages I am seeing tonight, many of the Conservative Party members that I know are quite relaxed by these appointments. At least nobody will be able to say that the Brexiteers didn't get a chance to drive the bus off the cliff.0 -
Not really. Had they done so 72 hours or so earlier , they might have made it more difficult for Boris to enter No 10.rottenborough said:
No. It would be bloody brilliant.nico67 said:Wouldn’t it be funny if several Tories resigned the whip tomorrow just after Bozos Commons speech.
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Any appointment to a Conservative government is a "move to the right". When one of these has to be replaced by someone put on the back benches tonight it will be a "move to the right".Cyclefree said:So this is what a putsch looks like.
The Tory party has been taken over by the Brexit Party.
If only we had a decent Leader of the Opposition .....
I remember Ken Clarke being appointed to the Thatcher cabinet, a "move to the right". He was moved several times and bizarrely eventually got back his first job. Every move was a "move to the right". Its like those bloody stairs with the ball bouncing down them.
I'm a bit surprised Hunt was offered Defence as I knew Ben Wallace had been sounded out for defence about a month ago.0 -
Is it a Cannaletto ? Presumably NOT a "School of"alex. said:Anyway, on a more interesting note, anyone recognise the picture on the Queen's wall?
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Are we doing this again? Oh, cod...JosiasJessop said:
She certainly knows her plaice. That's pure whitebait for her constituents. She;s singing the right tuna for them.williamglenn said:Accidental pun award for June Mummery of the Brexit Party.
https://twitter.com/june_mummery/status/1153955632220987397
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He'd have to join the Conservative Party, or at least leave BXP.rottenborough said:Farage to House of Lords and Cabinet now seems likely.
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Don't forget the scumbag David WaddingtonGardenwalker said:Is Patel the first pro-hanging Home Sec since 1962?
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