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  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    Is Raab the new No.2 ? Where is Gove in all this ?

    I was just thinking the same.

    To be honest, I would like to see him return to Justice - he was doing very good work there before May sacked him
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,903
    viewcode said:

    Oh fuck Rutger Hauer has died.

    In shock at Boris's cabinet reshuffle?
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469

    Richard Nabavi has encapsulated the views of many moderate Tories in this piece. After almost 20 years of membership and some years as a member of my local party executive, I too have resigned.

    This is becoming like what happened to us in March 2003, when many of us resigned from the Labour party.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406

    God I hate Brexiteers, they've fucked the Conservative party and very soon they will fuck the country.

    Worse than Mark Reckless the lot of them.

    May fucked the country and if it wasn't for Ruth Davidson would have lost the election and we would have PM Corbyn.

    If zero of her cabinet were left after the reshuffle it wouldn't have been the worst thing.
    Wait to you see the results of the next election - I suspect May's result will look like paradise in comparison...
  • midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112

    God I hate Brexiteers, they've fucked the Conservative party and very soon they will fuck the country.

    Worse than Mark Reckless the lot of them.

    May fucked the country and if it wasn't for Ruth Davidson would have lost the election and we would have PM Corbyn.

    If zero of her cabinet were left after the reshuffle it wouldn't have been the worst thing.
    And without the Brexiteers Cameron or whosoever his replacement was would have annihilated Corbyn in an election. With the help of (the Remain supporting) Ruth.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Who is actually going to run this government?

    We know Boris doesn’t do detail - so who?

    Sajid poor man is not really a great brain and hasn’t updated his ideology chip since 1988.
    Raab is a fanatic and in any case will be on the road. Patel is very dim witted.

    I suppose it doesn’t matter as there will surely be an election.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,707
    eek said:

    God I hate Brexiteers, they've fucked the Conservative party and very soon they will fuck the country.

    Worse than Mark Reckless the lot of them.

    May fucked the country and if it wasn't for Ruth Davidson would have lost the election and we would have PM Corbyn.

    If zero of her cabinet were left after the reshuffle it wouldn't have been the worst thing.
    Wait to you see the results of the next election - I suspect May's result will look like paradise in comparison...
    It'll be May's fault. In the Brexiteers' eyes, it's always someone else's fault.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    Richard Nabavi has encapsulated the views of many moderate Tories in this piece. After almost 20 years of membership and some years as a member of my local party executive, I too have resigned.

    Can I interest you in one of these? 👉 🔶
    I will be lending the LDs my vote for the foreseeable.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited July 2019
    "100% owning it"

    The only crumb to me as a wet tory member (just).
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    So if Bozo drops dead then Raab takes over !

    Really if you have any EU connections time to get that passport and escape .
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    Raab FS. And DPM. Christ!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,534


    Are you going to Jeremy’s we demand a general election rally on Friday?

    I'd like to but I'm working. If you'd like a criticism, it's that it'd make more sense to call these things at the weekend.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Who is actually going to run this government?

    We know Boris doesn’t do detail - so who?

    Sajid poor man is not really a great brain and hasn’t updated his ideology chip since 1988.
    Raab is a fanatic and in any case will be on the road. Patel is very dim witted.

    I suppose it doesn’t matter as there will surely be an election.

    Let's see if Gove gets anything.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676

    Corbyn is a gormless gutless clueless cretin. He knows that however excretingly bad Shagger's cabinet looks - and its spectacular so far - it'll still be more popular than he is
    You should leave the Party if you are so consumed with bile and hatred for our democratically elected leader.

    You are no longer an asset to the Labour cause you are a liability.

    I know these things I am an accountant.

    Perhaps Ms Swinson the austerity collaborator and war mongerer is more to your taste.
    Hi John. Here's our basic problem. He is democratically elected (you missed out "twice" - check your script it is supposed to come before democratically). Which matters nothing when Labour party voters are dumping us en masse.

    Jezbollah wouldn't know political strategy if it ripped up the marrows in his allotment. I am sick of knocking doors where its marked L all the way across the sheet - solid Labour voters going back years - who are no longer voting for us because of Him. So yes, he can do one. Because He, not me, is the liability. He is the one ensuring that we stay in permanent opposition

    As for the Blair reference, I say this: Tough on Corbyn, Tough on the Causes of Corbyn. My now former branch chair who set up the "Labour Gentiles Forum" in response to being "suppressed" by "right wing Jewish zealots" has quit before he was expelled as is now openly supporting the Brexit Party. Not that we have lost anything as he openly refused to vote Labour in the Euros having openly refused to campaign in the locals despite him being a candidate. He and his Corbyn worshipping tossers had of course agreed with you that I - not they - was the problem. No. No. No.
    Why did Labour double its majority in Rochdale in 2017?

    Why did Labour gain seats?

    Why did Labour go from 25% to 40% in 4 weeks in 2017?

    Even my Progress MP told me it was mainly due to Corbyn striking a chord with a superb Manifesto.

    If you dont want your team to win give up the season ticket and go non league
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Barnesian said:

    I want to know what lottery numbers Jo Swinson has this week.

    Whichever ones her Fracking and Tory masters say she has.

    More Tory than most Tories says her voting record

    Consistently voted to reduce welfare and benefits, including cutting payments for people with illnesses or disabilities. She also voted to cut the Educational Maintenance Allowance for 16-to-19-year-olds. And she helped to raise university tuition fees, despite promising not to as one of the key policies that helped elect many Lib Dem MPs in 2010. Her track record on environmental issues, meanwhile, shows she supported the badger cull, fracking and HS2.

    SO consumed with hatred for Labour that you no longer care how bad Swinsons Tory collaboration was

    You seem a bit rattled BigJohn. Not your usual amiable self.
    Not rattled at all Swinsons voting record is a gift
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237

    Richard Nabavi has encapsulated the views of many moderate Tories in this piece. After almost 20 years of membership and some years as a member of my local party executive, I too have resigned.

    Hence escaping being a member of a party that sees fit to appoint somebody who is - quite literally - thick as pigshit to the office of Home Secretary.

    Pure selfishness on your part?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,903

    Who is actually going to run this government?

    We know Boris doesn’t do detail - so who?

    Sajid poor man is not really a great brain and hasn’t updated his ideology chip since 1988.
    Raab is a fanatic and in any case will be on the road. Patel is very dim witted.

    I suppose it doesn’t matter as there will surely be an election.

    Absolutely. 17th or 24th October followed immediately by no deal on Halloween if Shagger wins.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    Richard Nabavi has encapsulated the views of many moderate Tories in this piece. After almost 20 years of membership and some years as a member of my local party executive, I too have resigned.

    I started voting LD this year, I finished my membership in 2015. The party has been in trouble for a while IMO. If the Conservatives are not the party of sound Economics, Business and competent Government they are finished....
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    This makes no sense.

    Surely this was one department where change was necessary? But no, May's choice is also Boris's
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    After a brief visit I am off again

    Have a bypass operation probably in September so supposed to be taking it easy.

    I am going back to watching Cricket for next few weeks ahead of the Op.

    See you all in September hopefully
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Flanner said:

    Cicero said:

    ON THREAD

    As a totally tribal Liberal Democrat I genuinely feel sympathy for Richard. I am as committed to the ideals of my own party as he has been to his and although the Lib Dems test me occasionally, the bonds of friendship alone keep me on the campaign trail.

    However in the 6 hours that BoJo has been PM, this shuffle confirms every one of everyone's worst fears about him.

    The guy is taking a wrecking ball to party unity and whereas Mrs. May alienated her opponents, Johnson is alienating his allies.

    How long before the first "Boris has blown it" headline?

    It's over half a century since I joined the Liberal Party. Not once have I felt remotely as strongly as I do now that we really are the only option. And that - just possibly - Providence may have given us the leader we need to make the most of the position we're in.

    The fat thug seems determined to demonstrate it's possible to be more dangerous than Corbyn and more doomed to failure than May. We really are the only party committed to healthy, democratic, capitalism.
    Nah. I’ve never heard a Liberal Democrat say anything defensive about capitalism.

    Quite apart from the general reek of beards and sandals, Liberal Democrats have very different views to Conservatives on the family, tradition, heritage, school discipline, monarchy, the nation and fetishise things like ultra ecogreeny, veganism and unlimited liberalisation of drugs. They also have just as much of chip on their shoulder about private education as Labour.

    It may be that they offer the only remaining (least bad) choice to some Remainer Conservatives, but I can’t see them flicking to their colours.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    edited July 2019
    Time to start drinking . The UK descent into Trump vassal state gathers momentum .
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019

    Barnesian said:

    I want to know what lottery numbers Jo Swinson has this week.

    Whichever ones her Fracking and Tory masters say she has.

    More Tory than most Tories says her voting record

    Consistently voted to reduce welfare and benefits, including cutting payments for people with illnesses or disabilities. She also voted to cut the Educational Maintenance Allowance for 16-to-19-year-olds. And she helped to raise university tuition fees, despite promising not to as one of the key policies that helped elect many Lib Dem MPs in 2010. Her track record on environmental issues, meanwhile, shows she supported the badger cull, fracking and HS2.

    SO consumed with hatred for Labour that you no longer care how bad Swinsons Tory collaboration was

    You seem a bit rattled BigJohn. Not your usual amiable self.
    Not rattled at all Swinsons voting record is a gift
    Swinson's voting record is indeed a gift to Corbyn, which he will exploit. Some of the LibDems new metro admirers may well take a second look when they realise what Swinson has voted for in the past.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Is Patel the first pro-hanging Home Sec since 1962?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,912
    AndyJS said:
    Britain Trump.

    I have to hand it to America Trump, those two words do sum up what has happened perfectly.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Javid is the shortest price Tory for next PM at 25-1.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    After a brief visit I am off again

    Have a bypass operation probably in September so supposed to be taking it easy.

    I am going back to watching Cricket for next few weeks ahead of the Op.

    See you all in September hopefully

    If you aren't on before it, I hope it all goes smoothly.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    Barnesian said:

    I want to know what lottery numbers Jo Swinson has this week.

    Whichever ones her Fracking and Tory masters say she has.

    More Tory than most Tories says her voting record

    Consistently voted to reduce welfare and benefits, including cutting payments for people with illnesses or disabilities. She also voted to cut the Educational Maintenance Allowance for 16-to-19-year-olds. And she helped to raise university tuition fees, despite promising not to as one of the key policies that helped elect many Lib Dem MPs in 2010. Her track record on environmental issues, meanwhile, shows she supported the badger cull, fracking and HS2.

    SO consumed with hatred for Labour that you no longer care how bad Swinsons Tory collaboration was

    You seem a bit rattled BigJohn. Not your usual amiable self.
    Not rattled at all Swinsons voting record is a gift
    Swinson's voting record is indeed a gift to Corbyn, which he will exploit. Some of the LibDems new metro admirers may well take a second look when they realise what Swinson has voted for in the past.
    Corbyn won't - he isn't bright enough. But there are those around him who will.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869

    Corbyn is a gormless gutless clueless cretin. He knows that however excretingly bad Shagger's cabinet looks - and its spectacular so far - it'll still be more popular than he is
    You should leave the Party if you are so consumed with bile and hatred for our democratically elected leader.

    You are no longer an asset to the Labour cause you are a liability.

    I know these things I am an accountant.

    Perhaps Ms Swinson the austerity collaborator and war mongerer is more to your taste.
    Hi John. Here's our basic problem. He is democratically elected (you missed out "twice" - check your script it is supposed to come before democratically). Which matters nothing when Labour party voters are dumping us en masse.

    Jezbollah wouldn't know political strategy if it ripped up the marrows in his allotment. I am sick of knocking doors where its marked L all the way across the sheet - solid Labour voters going back years - who are no longer voting for us because of Him. So yes, he can do one. Because He, not me, is the liability. He is the one ensuring that we stay in permanent opposition

    As for the Blair reference, I say this: Tough on Corbyn, Tough on the Causes of Corbyn. My now former branch chair who set up the "Labour Gentiles Forum" in response to being "suppressed" by "right wing Jewish zealots" has quit before he was expelled as is now openly supporting the Brexit Party. Not that we have lost anything as he openly refused to vote Labour in the Euros having openly refused to campaign in the locals despite him being a candidate. He and his Corbyn worshipping tossers had of course agreed with you that I - not they - was the problem. No. No. No.
    Doesn’t Richard’s lead and the contributions from various other principled conservatives in this thread prompt you and Southam to start wondering whether you might do something a bit more purposeful than handwringing from inside Labour?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,903

    Corbyn is a gormless gutless clueless cretin. He knows that however excretingly bad Shagger's cabinet looks - and its spectacular so far - it'll still be more popular than he is
    You should leave the Party if you are so consumed with bile and hatred for our democratically elected leader.

    You are no longer an asset to the Labour cause you are a liability.

    I know these things I am an accountant.

    Perhaps Ms Swinson the austerity collaborator and war mongerer is more to your taste.
    Hi John. Here's our basic problem. He is democratically elected (you missed out "twice" - check your script it is supposed to come before democratically). Which matters nothing when Labour party voters are dumping us en masse.

    Jezbollah wouldn't know political strategy if it ripped up the marrows in his allotment. I am sick of knocking doors where its marked L all the way across the sheet - solid Labour voters going back years - who are no longer voting for us because of Him. So yes, he can do one. Because He, not me, is the liability. He is the one ensuring that we stay in permanent opposition

    As for the Blair reference, I say this: Tough on Corbyn, Tough on the Causes of Corbyn. My now former branch chair who set up the "Labour Gentiles Forum" in response to being "suppressed" by "right wing Jewish zealots" has quit before he was expelled as is now openly supporting the Brexit Party. Not that we have lost anything as he openly refused to vote Labour in the Euros having openly refused to campaign in the locals despite him being a candidate. He and his Corbyn worshipping tossers had of course agreed with you that I - not they - was the problem. No. No. No.
    Why did Labour double its majority in Rochdale in 2017?

    Why did Labour gain seats?

    Why did Labour go from 25% to 40% in 4 weeks in 2017?

    Even my Progress MP told me it was mainly due to Corbyn striking a chord with a superb Manifesto.

    If you dont want your team to win give up the season ticket and go non league
    ??? In 2017 we got as many seats as Brown did which means we lost the election. Thats a success? And since then its got worse - a LOT worse.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,683
    edited July 2019
    nico67 said:
    Hmmm. Am I to understand that Boris's 'One Nation' stuff might have been something of a ruse?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    Richard Nabavi has encapsulated the views of many moderate Tories in this piece. After almost 20 years of membership and some years as a member of my local party executive, I too have resigned.

    I started voting LD this year, I finished my membership in 2015. The party has been in trouble for a while IMO. If the Conservatives are not the party of sound Economics, Business and competent Government they are finished....
    +1
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    The department and job will be gone on 1st November? :D
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    After a brief visit I am off again

    Have a bypass operation probably in September so supposed to be taking it easy.

    I am going back to watching Cricket for next few weeks ahead of the Op.

    See you all in September hopefully

    See you then. Hope all goes well.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Ed Davey is 200-1 for next PM with Ladbrokes/Coral. Sky Bet make him a 25-1 shot.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005
    I fear I may have to vomit up a wheen of popcorn to make room for more.

    https://twitter.com/redrichie/status/1154090258058948608
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    Villiers - back at NI?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,712
    edited July 2019
    If Corbyn wants to go for VONC tomorrow doesn't he have to lay motion on the Order Paper before House adjourns tonight? Not absolutely 100% but pretty sure he does.

    (Otherwise you could catch a Govt out with people away if you could do it same day)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    Does Donald Trump know the difference between Sadiq Khan and Sajid Javid?

    Both useless so makes little difference
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    GIN1138 said:

    The department and job will be gone on 1st November? :D
    Stephen Barclay looks like a tailor’s dummy.
    Does any have any real evidence he exists?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414

    nico67 said:
    Hmmm. Am I too understand that Boris's 'One Nation' stuff might have been something of a ruse?
    One (extremely right wing English) Nation.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    The country is fucked . Bozo and the right wing press will play the martyr , blame the EU and deliver their capitalism on steroids cesspit .
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,707

    Corbyn is a gormless gutless clueless cretin. He knows that however excretingly bad Shagger's cabinet looks - and its spectacular so far - it'll still be more popular than he is
    You should leave the Party if you are so consumed with bile and hatred for our democratically elected leader.

    You are no longer an asset to the Labour cause you are a liability.

    I know these things I am an accountant.

    Perhaps Ms Swinson the austerity collaborator and war mongerer is more to your taste.
    Hi John. Here's our basic problem. He is democratically elected (you missed out "twice" - check your script it is supposed to come before democratically). Which matters nothing when Labour party voters are dumping us en masse.

    Jezbollah wouldn't know political strategy if it ripped up the marrows in his allotment. I am sick of knocking doors where its marked L all the way across the sheet - solid Labour voters going back years - who are no longer voting for us because of Him. So yes, he can do one. Because He, not me, is the liability. He is the one ensuring that we stay in permanent opposition

    As for the Blair reference, I say this: Tough on Corbyn, Tough on the Causes of Corbyn. My now former branch chair who set up the "Labour Gentiles Forum" in response to being "suppressed" by "right wing Jewish zealots" has quit before he was expelled as is now openly supporting the Brexit Party. Not that we have lost anything as he openly refused to vote Labour in the Euros having openly refused to campaign in the locals despite him being a candidate. He and his Corbyn worshipping tossers had of course agreed with you that I - not they - was the problem. No. No. No.
    Why did Labour double its majority in Rochdale in 2017?
    (Snip)
    Did it?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    edited July 2019

    Is Patel the first pro-hanging Home Sec since 1962?

    No, David Waddington in 1989-90 holds that dishonour.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,707

    After a brief visit I am off again

    Have a bypass operation probably in September so supposed to be taking it easy.

    I am going back to watching Cricket for next few weeks ahead of the Op.

    See you all in September hopefully

    Hope it goes well.

    Look forward to seeing you back.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    MikeL said:

    If Corbyn wants to go for VONC tomorrow doesn't he have to lay motion on the Order Paper before House adjourns tonight? Not absolutely 100% but pretty sure he does.

    I believe so.

    And we can be pretty confident he won't

    Whether you think that is a lack of confidence in his own ability to win that vote (and then win a vote of confidence in his own potential government), or a masterstroke of political cunning, is something that we are not likely to see people agreeing on.

  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    I think the Mandate issue is interesting.

    In 2017, Boris Johnson agreed to a Snap GE in cabinet. I think this ties into a moral obligation given his No Deal intentions to hold an immediate GE to obtain a mandate for his plans. It is clear Boris is intent on a path of extremism. He does not have a mandate for this...
  • Govey got something-

    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1154091545819262977

    I really must eat my Chinese now
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    Villiers - back at NI?

    I was thinking transport for her.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    I had a brief moment today when I thought, ok let's give Johnson a bit of a chance.

    That's gone.

    Raab and Patel? He has truly jumped the shark. What the hell is he thinking?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    Flanner said:

    Cicero said:

    ON THREAD

    As a totally tribal Liberal Democrat I genuinely feel sympathy for Richard. I am as committed to the ideals of my own party as he has been to his and although the Lib Dems test me occasionally, the bonds of friendship alone keep me on the campaign trail.

    However in the 6 hours that BoJo has been PM, this shuffle confirms every one of everyone's worst fears about him.

    The guy is taking a wrecking ball to party unity and whereas Mrs. May alienated her opponents, Johnson is alienating his allies.

    How long before the first "Boris has blown it" headline?

    It's over half a century since I joined the Liberal Party. Not once have I felt remotely as strongly as I do now that we really are the only option. And that - just possibly - Providence may have given us the leader we need to make the most of the position we're in.

    The fat thug seems determined to demonstrate it's possible to be more dangerous than Corbyn and more doomed to failure than May. We really are the only party committed to healthy, democratic, capitalism.
    Nah. I’ve never heard a Liberal Democrat say anything defensive about capitalism.

    Quite apart from the general reek of beards and sandals, Liberal Democrats have very different views to Conservatives on the family, tradition, heritage, school discipline, monarchy, the nation and fetishise things like ultra ecogreeny, veganism and unlimited liberalisation of drugs. They also have just as much of chip on their shoulder about private education as Labour.

    It may be that they offer the only remaining (least bad) choice to some Remainer Conservatives, but I can’t see them flicking to their colours.
    The LDs simply needto take the broad church approach, and this can happen
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,698
    Is Johnson playing a huge joke on us all?

    This is our new Home Secretary....

    https://youtu.be/_DrsVhzbLzU

    Our new Foriegn Secretary has only recently realised that Dover and Calais are quite close.

    Go help us!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    Barnesian said:

    I want to know what lottery numbers Jo Swinson has this week.

    Whichever ones her Fracking and Tory masters say she has.

    More Tory than most Tories says her voting record

    Consistently voted to reduce welfare and benefits, including cutting payments for people with illnesses or disabilities. She also voted to cut the Educational Maintenance Allowance for 16-to-19-year-olds. And she helped to raise university tuition fees, despite promising not to as one of the key policies that helped elect many Lib Dem MPs in 2010. Her track record on environmental issues, meanwhile, shows she supported the badger cull, fracking and HS2.

    SO consumed with hatred for Labour that you no longer care how bad Swinsons Tory collaboration was

    You seem a bit rattled BigJohn. Not your usual amiable self.
    Not rattled at all Swinsons voting record is a gift
    She is more Tory than the Tories
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    Govey got something-

    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1154091545819262977

    I really must eat my Chinese now

    Don't choke on it too often
  • glwglw Posts: 9,912

    I had a brief moment today when I thought, ok let's give Johnson a bit of a chance.

    That's gone.

    Raab and Patel? He has truly jumped the shark. What the hell is he thinking?

    Britain Trump seems to have concluded that the Tory Party needs to go full moonbat in order to out-Farage Farage, which of course you cannot do as Farage will simply move the goalposts.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    nico67 said:
    Hmmm. Am I to understand that Boris's 'One Nation' stuff might have been something of a ruse?
    Looks that way. Seems he a) is in total hock to the ERG/mad wing of the party b) Doesn't fear losing OneNation/Cameroon MPs to Libdem/independent. c) wants to keep Trump tweeting positives.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869

    Corbyn is a gormless gutless clueless cretin. He knows that however excretingly bad Shagger's cabinet looks - and its spectacular so far - it'll still be more popular than he is
    You should leave the Party if you are so consumed with bile and hatred for our democratically elected leader.

    You are no longer an asset to the Labour cause you are a liability.

    I know these things I am an accountant.

    Perhaps Ms Swinson the austerity collaborator and war mongerer is more to your taste.
    Hi John. Here's our basic problem. He is democratically elected (you missed out "twice" - check your script it is supposed to come before democratically). Which matters nothing when Labour party voters are dumping us en masse.

    Jezbollah wouldn't know political strategy if it ripped up the marrows in his allotment. I am sick of knocking doors where its marked L all the way across the sheet - solid Labour voters going back years - who are no longer voting for us because of Him. So yes, he can do one. Because He, not me, is the liability. He is the one ensuring that we stay in permanent opposition

    As for the Blair reference, I say this: Tough on Corbyn, Tough on the Causes of Corbyn. My now former branch chair who set up the "Labour Gentiles Forum" in response to being "suppressed" by "right wing Jewish zealots" has quit before he was expelled as is now openly supporting the Brexit Party. Not that we have lost anything as he openly refused to vote Labour in the Euros having openly refused to campaign in the locals despite him being a candidate. He and his Corbyn worshipping tossers had of course agreed with you that I - not they - was the problem. No. No. No.
    Why did Labour double its majority in Rochdale in 2017?

    Why did Labour gain seats?

    Why did Labour go from 25% to 40% in 4 weeks in 2017?

    Even my Progress MP told me it was mainly due to Corbyn striking a chord with a superb Manifesto.

    If you dont want your team to win give up the season ticket and go non league
    Most of your Qs have been done to death in here, but surely the answer to the first one is mostly the collapse of UKIP, who were a strong second in 2015, and the replacement of discredited Danczuk with a fresh face.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    I reckon Johnson has forgotten that he’s got to find people to fill the lower rank ministerial posts. Remember to go there you’ve got to give up you outside earnings...
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    Govey got something-

    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1154091545819262977

    I really must eat my Chinese now

    So he is essentially doing the Minister for the Today programme and other media outlets role?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    I though May had set the bar fairly low with her last cabinet, but Johnson has limboed below it with ease.
    A cabinet of curiosities.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    After a brief visit I am off again

    Have a bypass operation probably in September so supposed to be taking it easy.

    I am going back to watching Cricket for next few weeks ahead of the Op.

    See you all in September hopefully

    Best wishes, hope all goes well and you are back in time to see the change of government woe on here
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Is anyone still trying to pretend Cummings is intelligent? Or have people come round to my view that he believes he is intelligent but actually has the intellect of a dead slug (no offence to dead slugs)?

    This has been an even bigger shambles than Corbyn firing all the New Labour types and putting a load of racists, drunks, thieves and allegedly worse in. At least he was only in opposition and it didn't matter.

    Labour should be flattered the Tories are imitating them, the country should be terrified.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,698

    Govey got something-

    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1154091545819262977

    I really must eat my Chinese now

    Bloody hell, why couldn't he have a bit of gumption and resign like the others? This way is surely the worst of both worlds for Gove - he's going to be picking up a share of the flak for being a member a disasterous government yet he has a nothing job.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    Grieve calls Johnson a charlatan
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    So Vadkar, do you feel lucky, punk?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    nico67 said:

    The country is fucked . Bozo and the right wing press will play the martyr , blame the EU and deliver their capitalism on steroids cesspit .

    He will need to win an election first. Can't see it somehow. Since 1987 the only Tory majorities have been won by mild mannered consensual middle of the road Conservatives.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Gavin Williamson 'expected to be education secretary'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-49073992
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    edited July 2019

    He has truly jumped the shark. What the hell is he thinking?

    Bold assumption in that sentence.

    I know I sound like a slightly less sweaty version of @malcolmg but this is just awful.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Is Johnson playing a huge joke on us all?

    This is our new Home Secretary....

    https://youtu.be/_DrsVhzbLzU

    Our new Foriegn Secretary has only recently realised that Dover and Calais are quite close.

    Go help us!

    Jesus Christ.

    I think I was kind of expecting a pivot to the serious from Johnson. Silly me.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Grieve calls Johnson a charlatan

    What channel was that on?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    AndyJS said:

    "Gavin Williamson 'expected to be education secretary'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-49073992

    The teachers will be crying out for the return of Gove in response to that news
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    midwinter said:

    God I hate Brexiteers, they've fucked the Conservative party and very soon they will fuck the country.

    Worse than Mark Reckless the lot of them.

    May fucked the country and if it wasn't for Ruth Davidson would have lost the election and we would have PM Corbyn.

    If zero of her cabinet were left after the reshuffle it wouldn't have been the worst thing.
    And without the Brexiteers Cameron or whosoever his replacement was would have annihilated Corbyn in an election. With the help of (the Remain supporting) Ruth.
    Ruth needs to urgently consider forming a breakaway Scottish Conservative party with independence from The central party. Both for the sake of the party at Westminster, and, potentially in an Independence scenario. Only question is - would it be viable on the back of the Scottish membership?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    AndyJS said:

    Grieve calls Johnson a charlatan

    What channel was that on?
    Sky News
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    On this basis surely Francois and Baker et al are shoo ins for junior ministries?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    AndyJS said:

    "Gavin Williamson 'expected to be education secretary'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-49073992

    Ok, it is just getting funny now.

    Boris is taking the country on a massive comedy outing isn't he? Tomorrow he will say 'Only Joking!' and announce his Cabinet.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    AndyJS said:

    Grieve calls Johnson a charlatan

    What channel was that on?
    Sky News.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    AndyJS said:

    Grieve calls Johnson a charlatan

    What channel was that on?
    Sky News.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    AndyJS said:

    "Gavin Williamson 'expected to be education secretary'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-49073992

    Sob. Won’t...somebody think of the children?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,712
    I'm no fan of Raab - but surely a bit bizarre Con supporters complaining about Boris appointing him Foreign Sec when TMay appointed him Brexit Sec.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,903
    IanB2 said:

    Doesn’t Richard’s lead and the contributions from various other principled conservatives in this thread prompt you and Southam to start wondering whether you might do something a bit more purposeful than handwringing from inside Labour?

    I've decided to stay and fight. I can't get rid of Corbyn in one hit, but I can take out some of his acolytes. My Branch Chair has been pushed out for AS. I'm batting other crazies round the head to get them gone. The more crazies leave the party the fewer supporters he has.

    Having not been elected to council in May I have taken up the role of CLP Treasurer. Having played a direct central role in getting Dr Paul Williams selected then elected I'm focused on preserving him as our MP.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    Laura K 'hearing' that Mogg might get Leader of the House...
  • Channel 4 News opens with reference to some calling it ‘Night of the Blond Knives’ - ©️ PB, surely?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Scott_P said:
    no where. johnson has shown appalling judgment.

    Swinson must be about to pass out with all this. Looking forward to polls.
  • ZephyrZephyr Posts: 438
    Beneath the picture above are some thoughts from Nabavi I don’t accept as honest. The bottom line is, where you say it’s no deal you object to you are not being honest by admitting it’s any hard brexit you are still refusing to be part of.

    The Conservative party has definitely changed from the 80’s, now modern, progressive, inclusive. Boris wants to save this Conservative party from disaster. There’s a huge number of Conservative members and voters who passionately believe the way forward out of Britain’s decline in this world has to be a break from the EU and go global Britain. They will go to Farage’s neo Thatcherite Party if the Conservative government doesn’t deliver Brexit. Perhaps go for ever. To fight back at the source of Boris power remainers need to battle for those voters too, not remain in denial about what has happened and why. Progress in this instance is satisfying what remainers across the political spectrum remain blinkered to, the desire of the British people for self governance and reversing Britain’s decline in the world.

    Address this point and explain where I am wrong. A hard brexit, that is ripping up our membership of EU elements like SM and CU that UK helped build to protect us from 21st century globalisation, a hard brexit like Tmay put to the house 3 times, because really yes her deal waffle and all is a hard brexit, ends in a place little different where a no deal exit ends up. Truth is no deal won’t remain no deal, it just brings a few months added chaos before it all comes together in the same place as a hard brexit. So anyone saying they can’t support no deal are thoroughly dishonest hiding behind no deal often bigging it up up with chaff, by not admitting it’s any hard brexit they can’t bring themselves to accept.
  • The target will be Lab marginals in the North and Midlands
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293

    Govey got something-

    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1154091545819262977

    I really must eat my Chinese now

    Is that a demoation?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    The talk of Nicky Morgan returning to Cabinet is surprising.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,683
    glw said:

    I had a brief moment today when I thought, ok let's give Johnson a bit of a chance.

    That's gone.

    Raab and Patel? He has truly jumped the shark. What the hell is he thinking?

    Britain Trump seems to have concluded that the Tory Party needs to go full moonbat in order to out-Farage Farage, which of course you cannot do as Farage will simply move the goalposts.
    Knowing cheeky old Nigel, he'll move the goalposts to the centre and claim the moderate mantle for himself, leaving Boris stranded on the outer fringes with the Breitbart blowhards.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Zephyr said:

    Beneath the picture above are some thoughts from Nabavi I don’t accept as honest. The bottom line is, where you say it’s no deal you object to you are not being honest by admitting it’s any hard brexit you are still refusing to be part of.

    The Conservative party has definitely changed from the 80’s, now modern, progressive, inclusive. Boris wants to save this Conservative party from disaster. There’s a huge number of Conservative members and voters who passionately believe the way forward out of Britain’s decline in this world has to be a break from the EU and go global Britain. They will go to Farage’s neo Thatcherite Party if the Conservative government doesn’t deliver Brexit. Perhaps go for ever. To fight back at the source of Boris power remainers need to battle for those voters too, not remain in denial about what has happened and why. Progress in this instance is satisfying what remainers across the political spectrum remain blinkered to, the desire of the British people for self governance and reversing Britain’s decline in the world.

    Address this point and explain where I am wrong. A hard brexit, that is ripping up our membership of EU elements like SM and CU that UK helped build to protect us from 21st century globalisation, a hard brexit like Tmay put to the house 3 times, because really yes her deal waffle and all is a hard brexit, ends in a place little different where a no deal exit ends up. Truth is no deal won’t remain no deal, it just brings a few months added chaos before it all comes together in the same place as a hard brexit. So anyone saying they can’t support no deal are thoroughly dishonest hiding behind no deal often bigging it up up with chaff, by not admitting it’s any hard brexit they can’t bring themselves to accept.

    More sad evidence that the war against drugs has failed.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Will Raab’s first act be to repudiate the European Naval operation to protect british shipping?
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