LD 1920 [55.3%; +18.9%] Con 838 [24.1%; -11.9%] Lab 560 [16.1%; -3.3%] PC 152 [4.4% +4.4%] Grn 0 [[0.0%; -8.1%]]
I assume the Green candidate didn’t live in the ward...
Zero votes for a candidate from a national party! How often does that happen?
Hardly ever - especially in a BIG ward pulling in 3,500 votes in a by-election.
It gives the lie to those PB’ers who suggest that Green supporters aren’t willing to vote LibDem. Brexit is the overriding issue and in a key defence not one Green supporter stuck with their previous choice.
Not even the candidate him/herself
As I said, the candidate likely doesn’t live in the ward. You only need to live in the LA area to stand.
You know, I peeked into the 'other' PB.com a little while ago. Goodness, what a civilised place that was compared to here.
SeanT is still there, ranting admittedly but still there. TSE is still got a raging..... well, he still likes Cameron. And the discussions are civil. All the talk is about how Osborne is the shoe in against May. He basically got to pick his opponent, and Theresa May, well she might've been okay as Home Secretary but as PM material she'll never beat the Boy Wonder.
Announcement of that Leadership contest is during Conference season and its widely expected Osborne will win, win handily and then go on to beat Corbyn in 2020 for his majority. Sure, Farage and UKIP are still a threat but three years later after the 52% Remain win, the country is moving on.
And Osborne's win next year will mean the end of Corbyn and hopefully the Labour party can get back on its feet again. There's talk Benn or Watson will take over, or even Ed make a return.
Of course, the Lib Dems are still struggling on 10%, but Farron can't have it all.
What a civilised place that place is!
They could do a remake of the Man in the High Castle set in Brexitlandia 2030 where people can travel between that reality and a different world in which Remain won.
There would be a lot of refugees desperately trying to escape from Remainica to Brexitlandia
Personally I'd be using this alternate universe switcher to seek out rather more interesting places that Remainica and Brexlandia!
The key thing is that Johnson has less authority over parliament than May had, at the point of his maximum leverage - because he hasn't distributed his patronage yet, nor yet disappointed those hoping for jobs.
LD 1920 [55.3%; +18.9%] Con 838 [24.1%; -11.9%] Lab 560 [16.1%; -3.3%] PC 152 [4.4% +4.4%] Grn 0 [[0.0%; -8.1%]]
I assume the Green candidate didn’t live in the ward...
Zero votes for a candidate from a national party! How often does that happen?
Hardly ever - especially in a BIG ward pulling in 3,500 votes in a by-election.
It gives the lie to those PB’ers who suggest that Green supporters aren’t willing to vote LibDem. Brexit is the overriding issue and in a key defence not one Green supporter stuck with their previous choice.
Not even the candidate him/herself
They need to live in the ward to be able to that or they might have forgot!
You know, I peeked into the 'other' PB.com a little while ago. Goodness, what a civilised place that was compared to here.
SeanT is still there, ranting admittedly but still there. TSE is still got a raging..... well, he still likes Cameron. And the discussions are civil. All the talk is about how Osborne is the shoe in against May. He basically got to pick his opponent, and Theresa May, well she might've been okay as Home Secretary but as PM material she'll never beat the Boy Wonder.
Announcement of that Leadership contest is during Conference season and its widely expected Osborne will win, win handily and then go on to beat Corbyn in 2020 for his majority. Sure, Farage and UKIP are still a threat but three years later after the 52% Remain win, the country is moving on.
And Osborne's win next year will mean the end of Corbyn and hopefully the Labour party can get back on its feet again. There's talk Benn or Watson will take over, or even Ed make a return.
Of course, the Lib Dems are still struggling on 10%, but Farron can't have it all.
What a civilised place that place is!
They could do a remake of the Man in the High Castle set in Brexitlandia 2030 where people can travel between that reality and a different world in which Remain won.
There would be a lot of refugees desperately trying to escape from Remainica to Brexitlandia
Personally I'd be using this alternate universe switcher to seek out rather more interesting places that Remainica and Brexlandia!
There is no good outcome from here. The country is going to be consumed by Brexit for many years to come, with no stable settlement in sight.
This is why I'm leaning to No Deal.
I think they country will stomach it for six months max, and then we'll rejoin, and the Leavers will have no credibility to oppose it.
Every time they'll say no, rejoining will be a disaster, the country will remind them they said No Deal was Project Fear and/or No Deal will be fine.
I have some sympathy for that view but I have three professional children trying to make their way in a difficult world and given the sectors they work in a no deal exit could scupper them for years to come, ok you can tell me where the sunlit uplands are but that view is disappearing of the agenda as principle overtakes sanity. I’m protected apart from a limited exposure living in Spain but I’m still waiting for someone to come up with a sane argument to leave which is based around economics, or one that gives those who voted for it what they sought to achieve.
Go and read the OBR report from this morning and look at the GDP growth figures for the economy after we have got over the 12 month economic adjustment period.
You know, I peeked into the 'other' PB.com a little while ago. Goodness, what a civilised place that was compared to here.
SeanT is still there, ranting admittedly but still there. TSE is still got a raging..... well, he still likes Cameron. And the discussions are civil. All the talk is about how Osborne is the shoe in against May. He basically got to pick his opponent, and Theresa May, well she might've been okay as Home Secretary but as PM material she'll never beat the Boy Wonder.
Announcement of that Leadership contest is during Conference season and its widely expected Osborne will win, win handily and then go on to beat Corbyn in 2020 for his majority. Sure, Farage and UKIP are still a threat but three years later after the 52% Remain win, the country is moving on.
And Osborne's win next year will mean the end of Corbyn and hopefully the Labour party can get back on its feet again. There's talk Benn or Watson will take over, or even Ed make a return.
Of course, the Lib Dems are still struggling on 10%, but Farron can't have it all.
What a civilised place that place is!
They could do a remake of the Man in the High Castle set in Brexitlandia 2030 where people can travel between that reality and a different world in which Remain won.
There would be a lot of refugees desperately trying to escape from Remainica to Brexitlandia
Personally I'd be using this alternate universe switcher to seek out rather more interesting places that Remainica and Brexlandia!
I'd like to visit Nofirstworldwaria.
You really want to be working below stairs in some dusty stately home?
You know, I peeked into the 'other' PB.com a little while ago. Goodness, what a civilised place that was compared to here.
SeanT is still there, ranting admittedly but still there. TSE is still got a raging..... well, he still likes Cameron. And the discussions are civil. All the talk is about how Osborne is the shoe in against May. He basically got to pick his opponent, and Theresa May, well she might've been okay as Home Secretary but as PM material she'll never beat the Boy Wonder.
Announcement of that Leadership contest is during Conference season and its widely expected Osborne will win, win handily and then go on to beat Corbyn in 2020 for his majority. Sure, Farage and UKIP are still a threat but three years later after the 52% Remain win, the country is moving on.
And Osborne's win next year will mean the end of Corbyn and hopefully the Labour party can get back on its feet again. There's talk Benn or Watson will take over, or even Ed make a return.
Of course, the Lib Dems are still struggling on 10%, but Farron can't have it all.
What a civilised place that place is!
They could do a remake of the Man in the High Castle set in Brexitlandia 2030 where people can travel between that reality and a different world in which Remain won.
There would be a lot of refugees desperately trying to escape from Remainica to Brexitlandia
Personally I'd be using this alternate universe switcher to seek out rather more interesting places that Remainica and Brexlandia!
LD 1920 [55.3%; +18.9%] Con 838 [24.1%; -11.9%] Lab 560 [16.1%; -3.3%] PC 152 [4.4% +4.4%] Grn 0 [[0.0%; -8.1%]]
I assume the Green candidate didn’t live in the ward...
Zero votes for a candidate from a national party! How often does that happen?
Hardly ever - especially in a BIG ward pulling in 3,500 votes in a by-election.
It gives the lie to those PB’ers who suggest that Green supporters aren’t willing to vote LibDem. Brexit is the overriding issue and in a key defence not one Green supporter stuck with their previous choice.
Not even the candidate him/herself
As I said, the candidate likely doesn’t live in the ward. You only need to live in the LA area to stand.
You know, I peeked into the 'other' PB.com a little while ago. Goodness, what a civilised place that was compared to here.
SeanT is still there, ranting admittedly but still there. TSE is still got a raging..... well, he still likes Cameron. And the discussions are civil. All the talk is about how Osborne is the shoe in against May. He basically got to pick his opponent, and Theresa May, well she might've been okay as Home Secretary but as PM material she'll never beat the Boy Wonder.
Announcement of that Leadership contest is during Conference season and its widely expected Osborne will win, win handily and then go on to beat Corbyn in 2020 for his majority. Sure, Farage and UKIP are still a threat but three years later after the 52% Remain win, the country is moving on.
And Osborne's win next year will mean the end of Corbyn and hopefully the Labour party can get back on its feet again. There's talk Benn or Watson will take over, or even Ed make a return.
Of course, the Lib Dems are still struggling on 10%, but Farron can't have it all.
What a civilised place that place is!
They could do a remake of the Man in the High Castle set in Brexitlandia 2030 where people can travel between that reality and a different world in which Remain won.
There would be a lot of refugees desperately trying to escape from Remainica to Brexitlandia
Personally I'd be using this alternate universe switcher to seek out rather more interesting places that Remainica and Brexlandia!
I'd like to visit Nofirstworldwaria.
Somewhere hot with cheap servants? What's not to like?
Boris, the master negotiator is going to go down in Europe like a turd in a swimming pool.
What I really resent about this is that Boris went to all the trouble to get a kipper, but couldn't be bothered to check what he was saying was accurate.
You know, I peeked into the 'other' PB.com a little while ago. Goodness, what a civilised place that was compared to here.
SeanT is still there, ranting admittedly but still there. TSE is still got a raging..... well, he still likes Cameron. And the discussions are civil. All the talk is about how Osborne is the shoe in against May. He basically got to pick his opponent, and Theresa May, well she might've been okay as Home Secretary but as PM material she'll never beat the Boy Wonder.
Announcement of that Leadership contest is during Conference season and its widely expected Osborne will win, win handily and then go on to beat Corbyn in 2020 for his majority. Sure, Farage and UKIP are still a threat but three years later after the 52% Remain win, the country is moving on.
And Osborne's win next year will mean the end of Corbyn and hopefully the Labour party can get back on its feet again. There's talk Benn or Watson will take over, or even Ed make a return.
Of course, the Lib Dems are still struggling on 10%, but Farron can't have it all.
What a civilised place that place is!
They could do a remake of the Man in the High Castle set in Brexitlandia 2030 where people can travel between that reality and a different world in which Remain won.
There would be a lot of refugees desperately trying to escape from Remainica to Brexitlandia
Partition of the country and mass population movements seem the only sane outcome.
I think the refugees from Leverstan will outnumber those going the other way,
I am sure you will be happy in your London ghetto.
Leicester is part of Remania, and I think several of the other Leics counting areas will have flipped to Remain.
Since you are such a fan of the EU I am sure you will agree that the partition should be based on EU regions. In which case your choice is a London ghetto or Scottish exile.
Boris, the master negotiator is going to go down in Europe like a turd in a swimming pool.
What I really resent about this is that Boris went to all the trouble to get a kipper, but couldn't be bothered to check what he was saying was accurate.
It's so incredibly, deeply depressing.
The mindset shift he will need to make on entering Downing Street is going to come as a shock to him.
You know, I peeked into the 'other' PB.com a little while ago. Goodness, what a civilised place that was compared to here.
SeanT is still there, ranting admittedly but still there. TSE is still got a raging..... well, he still likes Cameron. And the discussions are civil. All the talk is about how Osborne is the shoe in against May. He basically got to pick his opponent, and Theresa May, well she might've been okay as Home Secretary but as PM material she'll never beat the Boy Wonder.
Announcement of that Leadership contest is during Conference season and its widely expected Osborne will win, win handily and then go on to beat Corbyn in 2020 for his majority. Sure, Farage and UKIP are still a threat but three years later after the 52% Remain win, the country is moving on.
And Osborne's win next year will mean the end of Corbyn and hopefully the Labour party can get back on its feet again. There's talk Benn or Watson will take over, or even Ed make a return.
Of course, the Lib Dems are still struggling on 10%, but Farron can't have it all.
What a civilised place that place is!
They could do a remake of the Man in the High Castle set in Brexitlandia 2030 where people can travel between that reality and a different world in which Remain won.
There would be a lot of refugees desperately trying to escape from Remainica to Brexitlandia
Partition of the country and mass population movements seem the only sane outcome.
I think the refugees from Leverstan will outnumber those going the other way,
I am sure you will be happy in your London ghetto.
Leicester is part of Remania, and I think several of the other Leics counting areas will have flipped to Remain.
Since you are such a fan of the EU I am sure you will agree that the partition should be based on EU regions. In which case your choice is a London ghetto or Scottish exile.
I wouldn't mind living in Scotland. It's an amazing country and I've always found the Scots very friendly. Plus of course they are world beating growers of turnips.
Wouldn't want to live in London. Absolute shithole.
Boris, the master negotiator is going to go down in Europe like a turd in a swimming pool.
What I really resent about this is that Boris went to all the trouble to get a kipper, but couldn't be bothered to check what he was saying was accurate.
It's so incredibly, deeply depressing.
I'm sure 95% of his audience would think that was the kind of regulation the EU would impose on the UK, and so Boris was bang on the money.
There is no good outcome from here. The country is going to be consumed by Brexit for many years to come, with no stable settlement in sight.
This is why I'm leaning to No Deal.
I think they country will stomach it for six months max, and then we'll rejoin, and the Leavers will have no credibility to oppose it.
Every time they'll say no, rejoining will be a disaster, the country will remind them they said No Deal was Project Fear and/or No Deal will be fine.
Why would the EU let us rejoin, there are other far less troublesome places (such as say Serbia) in the queue ahead of us...
Why wouldn't they? No more opt-outs, including from Schengen and the Euro.
Don't Sweden and Denmark still have their own currencies.
Poland and Romania too.
But I think they are "supposed" to adopt the Euro eventually, along with Hungary, Czechia and Romania.
Yes, all new EU members, which the UK would be if let back in after crashing out and begging to return, are required to join Schengen and the Euro. The only countries with an actual opt-out from the Euro are the UK and Denmark. Now, in practice, a country that doesn't want to join the Euro can do so by failing to join the ERM, as that is a pre-requisite of joining the Euro but is not mandated to existing or new members. This is the mechanism Sweden uses to stay out.
As to Schengen, Ireland also has an opt-out but that's only because of the CTA, They've already said many times that if the UK ever joined Schengen they would join it with us.
There is no good outcome from here. The country is going to be consumed by Brexit for many years to come, with no stable settlement in sight.
This is why I'm leaning to No Deal.
I think they country will stomach it for six months max, and then we'll rejoin, and the Leavers will have no credibility to oppose it.
Every time they'll say no, rejoining will be a disaster, the country will remind them they said No Deal was Project Fear and/or No Deal will be fine.
I have some sympathy for that view but I have three professional children trying to make their way in a difficult world and given the sectors they work in a no deal exit could scupper them for years to come, ok you can tell me where the sunlit uplands are but that view is disappearing of the agenda as principle overtakes sanity. I’m protected apart from a limited exposure living in Spain but I’m still waiting for someone to come up with a sane argument to leave which is based around economics, or one that gives those who voted for it what they sought to achieve.
Go and read the OBR report from this morning and look at the GDP growth figures for the economy after we have got over the 12 month economic adjustment period.
"Adjustment period" = lots and lots of £ that will be lost solely because of Brexit.
There is no good outcome from here. The country is going to be consumed by Brexit for many years to come, with no stable settlement in sight.
This is why I'm leaning to No Deal.
I think they country will stomach it for six months max, and then we'll rejoin, and the Leavers will have no credibility to oppose it.
Every time they'll say no, rejoining will be a disaster, the country will remind them they said No Deal was Project Fear and/or No Deal will be fine.
Why would the EU let us rejoin, there are other far less troublesome places (such as say Serbia) in the queue ahead of us...
Why wouldn't they? No more opt-outs, including from Schengen and the Euro.
Don't Sweden and Denmark still have their own currencies.
Poland and Romania too.
But I think they are "supposed" to adopt the Euro eventually, along with Hungary, Czechia and Romania.
Yes, all new EU members, which the UK would be if let back in after crashing out and begging to return, are required to join Schengen and the Euro. The only countries with an actual opt-out from the Euro are the UK and Denmark. Now, in practice, a country that doesn't want to join the Euro can do so by failing to join the ERM, as that is a pre-requisite of joining the Euro but is not mandated to existing or new members. This is the mechanism Sweden uses to stay out.
As to Schengen, Ireland also has an opt-out but that's only because of the CTA, They've already said many times that if the UK ever joined Schengen they would join it with us.
Assuming everything else was OK, I doubt the EU would impose the Euro on an unwilling UK. Why would it?
Boris, the master negotiator is going to go down in Europe like a turd in a swimming pool.
What I really resent about this is that Boris went to all the trouble to get a kipper, but couldn't be bothered to check what he was saying was accurate.
Boris, the master negotiator is going to go down in Europe like a turd in a swimming pool.
What I really resent about this is that Boris went to all the trouble to get a kipper, but couldn't be bothered to check what he was saying was accurate.
It's so incredibly, deeply depressing.
While I’m no fan of Johnson I think he might have been set up because he claimed that he had been sent the kipper by someone making a point. Now an astute politician would have thought 1 kipper someone is taking the piss 2 Manx kipper their definitely taking the piss 3 elf and safety well that’s clearly the U.K. so they are clearly taking the piss.
The sad thing is kippers will join bananas conkers and other right wing media myths into the vocabulary of the faithful which I will waste hours trying to tell them it’s bollocks but they will never believe me.
Boris, the master negotiator is going to go down in Europe like a turd in a swimming pool.
What I really resent about this is that Boris went to all the trouble to get a kipper, but couldn't be bothered to check what he was saying was accurate.
It's so incredibly, deeply depressing.
Couldn’t be bothered to check ?
You’re being ridiculously generous to the mendacious fnck.
Boris, the master negotiator is going to go down in Europe like a turd in a swimming pool.
What I really resent about this is that Boris went to all the trouble to get a kipper, but couldn't be bothered to check what he was saying was accurate.
Boris, the master negotiator is going to go down in Europe like a turd in a swimming pool.
What I really resent about this is that Boris went to all the trouble to get a kipper, but couldn't be bothered to check what he was saying was accurate.
It's so incredibly, deeply depressing.
While I’m no fan of Johnson I think he might have been set up because he claimed that he had been sent the kipper by someone making a point. Now an astute politician would have thought 1 kipper someone is taking the piss 2 Manx kipper their definitely taking the piss 3 elf and safety well that’s clearly the U.K. so they are clearly taking the piss.
The sad thing is kippers will join bananas conkers and other right wing media myths into the vocabulary of the faithful which I will waste hours trying to tell them it’s bollocks but they will never believe me.
It illustrates how attracted the great Bozo is to stunts of any kind. Hence how London came to be littered with expensive elephants of many colours.
You know, I peeked into the 'other' PB.com a little while ago. Goodness, what a civilised place that was compared to here.
SeanT is still there, ranting admittedly but still there. TSE is still got a raging..... well, he still likes Cameron. And the discussions are civil. All the talk is about how Osborne is the shoe in against May. He basically got to pick his opponent, and Theresa May, well she might've been okay as Home Secretary but as PM material she'll never beat the Boy Wonder.
Announcement of that Leadership contest is during Conference season and its widely expected Osborne will win, win handily and then go on to beat Corbyn in 2020 for his majority. Sure, Farage and UKIP are still a threat but three years later after the 52% Remain win, the country is moving on.
And Osborne's win next year will mean the end of Corbyn and hopefully the Labour party can get back on its feet again. There's talk Benn or Watson will take over, or even Ed make a return.
Of course, the Lib Dems are still struggling on 10%, but Farron can't have it all.
What a civilised place that place is!
They could do a remake of the Man in the High Castle set in Brexitlandia 2030 where people can travel between that reality and a different world in which Remain won.
There would be a lot of refugees desperately trying to escape from Remainica to Brexitlandia
Partition of the country and mass population movements seem the only sane outcome.
I think the refugees from Leverstan will outnumber those going the other way,
I am sure you will be happy in your London ghetto.
Leicester is part of Remania, and I think several of the other Leics counting areas will have flipped to Remain.
Since you are such a fan of the EU I am sure you will agree that the partition should be based on EU regions. In which case your choice is a London ghetto or Scottish exile.
I wouldn't mind living in Scotland. It's an amazing country and I've always found the Scots very friendly. Plus of course they are world beating growers of turnips.
Wouldn't want to live in London. Absolute shithole.
I moved out of London some years ago and today I was visited by a London family who said the same. The mystery is how long London property can continue to command such a premium when so many are concluding that declining quality of life means that it is time to leave.
There is no good outcome from here. The country is going to be consumed by Brexit for many years to come, with no stable settlement in sight.
This is why I'm leaning to No Deal.
I think they country will stomach it for six months max, and then we'll rejoin, and the Leavers will have no credibility to oppose it.
Every time they'll say no, rejoining will be a disaster, the country will remind them they said No Deal was Project Fear and/or No Deal will be fine.
I have some sympathy for that view but I have three professional children trying to make their way in a difficult world and given the sectors they work in a no deal exit could scupper them for years to come, ok you can tell me where the sunlit uplands are but that view is disappearing of the agenda as principle overtakes sanity. I’m protected apart from a limited exposure living in Spain but I’m still waiting for someone to come up with a sane argument to leave which is based around economics, or one that gives those who voted for it what they sought to achieve.
Go and read the OBR report from this morning and look at the GDP growth figures for the economy after we have got over the 12 month economic adjustment period.
"Adjustment period" = lots and lots of £ that will be lost solely because of Brexit.
If you could be bothered to read the report you would understand that in every year in cash terms UK Govt receipts increase.
There is no good outcome from here. The country is going to be consumed by Brexit for many years to come, with no stable settlement in sight.
This is why I'm leaning to No Deal.
I think they country will stomach it for six months max, and then we'll rejoin, and the Leavers will have no credibility to oppose it.
Every time they'll say no, rejoining will be a disaster, the country will remind them they said No Deal was Project Fear and/or No Deal will be fine.
Why would the EU let us rejoin, there are other far less troublesome places (such as say Serbia) in the queue ahead of us...
Why wouldn't they? No more opt-outs, including from Schengen and the Euro.
Don't Sweden and Denmark still have their own currencies.
Poland and Romania too.
But I think they are "supposed" to adopt the Euro eventually, along with Hungary, Czechia and Romania.
Yes, all new EU members, which the UK would be if let back in after crashing out and begging to return, are required to join Schengen and the Euro. The only countries with an actual opt-out from the Euro are the UK and Denmark. Now, in practice, a country that doesn't want to join the Euro can do so by failing to join the ERM, as that is a pre-requisite of joining the Euro but is not mandated to existing or new members. This is the mechanism Sweden uses to stay out.
As to Schengen, Ireland also has an opt-out but that's only because of the CTA, They've already said many times that if the UK ever joined Schengen they would join it with us.
Assuming everything else was OK, I doubt the EU would impose the Euro on an unwilling UK. Why would it?
I think you're right in that while we would be notionally required to join, we'd be able to use the Swedish method to avoid it indefinitely. If the EU were to decide to enforce joining the Euro, they'd impose it on all the hold-outs, Only Denmark would be able to avoid it and they are in the ERM and pegged to the Euro anyway!
Wouldn't want to live in London. Absolute shithole.
I moved out of London some years ago and today I was visited by a London family who said the same. The mystery is how long London property can continue to command such a premium when so many are concluding that declining quality of life means that it is time to leave.
I was once asked what my favourite sight was in London.
I replied it was a big sign saying 'Reading; South Wales; The West; M4.'
As I get older my views change.
Now it's a screen in Euston saying 'Rugeley Trent Valley: Platform 5, now boarding.'
But it isn't really about normal people, is it? It's about millionaires from everywhere, including overseas, with more money than sense, buying up worthless properties that far too many of them seldom use.
In the US system is it the conventional wisdom that a candidate aspiring to be President has to tack to the grassroots to win the Primaries before tacking back to seek the wider appeal necessary for success in a general election. And the earlier they are able to begin the pivot the better - a Primary contest going to the wire is bad for the ultimate success of the party.
Ok in US Presidential campaign last year’s and that makes it easier to change policy positions over time, but it is in some ways a sign of how unserious (and personally insecure?) Johnson is as a candidate that despite having the contest in the bag (probably literally) weeks ago he has made no attempt to give himself at least some wiggle room on his most controversial statements, in fact has in many cases hardened his position, and has continued to prioritise seeking the adoration of Party members first and foremost, long after he needed them. Anyone with any sense would have been moderating his stances, introducing a path to a more realistic way forward, and giving him hope of keeping the sensible Tory politicians on board. If he felt ultimately he had to revert to a hardline stance then he could still do that, but it surely can’t sensibly be his default (and potentially only?) way forward.
Wouldn't want to live in London. Absolute shithole.
I moved out of London some years ago and today I was visited by a London family who said the same. The mystery is how long London property can continue to command such a premium when so many are concluding that declining quality of life means that it is time to leave.
I was once asked what my favourite sight was in London.
I replied it was a big sign saying 'Reading; South Wales; The West; M4.'
As I get older my views change.
Now it's a screen in Euston saying 'Rugeley Trent Valley: Platform 5, now boarding.'
But it isn't really about normal people, is it? It's about millionaires from everywhere, including overseas, with more money than sense, buying up worthless properties that far too many of them seldom use.
Euston, Paddington, train station please Make the red lights turn green, endlessly My black cab rolls through the neon disease Endlessly, endlessly
Wouldn't want to live in London. Absolute shithole.
I moved out of London some years ago and today I was visited by a London family who said the same. The mystery is how long London property can continue to command such a premium when so many are concluding that declining quality of life means that it is time to leave.
I was once asked what my favourite sight was in London.
I replied it was a big sign saying 'Reading; South Wales; The West; M4.'
As I get older my views change.
Now it's a screen in Euston saying 'Rugeley Trent Valley: Platform 5, now boarding.'
But it isn't really about normal people, is it? It's about millionaires from everywhere, including overseas, with more money than sense, buying up worthless properties that far too many of them seldom use.
I can’t help but like London, despite its manifold faults.
Wouldn't want to live in London. Absolute shithole.
I moved out of London some years ago and today I was visited by a London family who said the same. The mystery is how long London property can continue to command such a premium when so many are concluding that declining quality of life means that it is time to leave.
I was once asked what my favourite sight was in London.
I replied it was a big sign saying 'Reading; South Wales; The West; M4.'
As I get older my views change.
Now it's a screen in Euston saying 'Rugeley Trent Valley: Platform 5, now boarding.'
But it isn't really about normal people, is it? It's about millionaires from everywhere, including overseas, with more money than sense, buying up worthless properties that far too many of them seldom use.
Euston, Paddington, train station please Make the red lights turn green, endlessly My black cab rolls through the neon disease Endlessly, endlessly
Boris, the master negotiator is going to go down in Europe like a turd in a swimming pool.
What I really resent about this is that Boris went to all the trouble to get a kipper, but couldn't be bothered to check what he was saying was accurate.
Boris, the master negotiator is going to go down in Europe like a turd in a swimming pool.
What I really resent about this is that Boris went to all the trouble to get a kipper, but couldn't be bothered to check what he was saying was accurate.
It's so incredibly, deeply depressing.
While I’m no fan of Johnson I think he might have been set up because he claimed that he had been sent the kipper by someone making a point. Now an astute politician would have thought 1 kipper someone is taking the piss 2 Manx kipper their definitely taking the piss 3 elf and safety well that’s clearly the U.K. so they are clearly taking the piss.
The sad thing is kippers will join bananas conkers and other right wing media myths into the vocabulary of the faithful which I will waste hours trying to tell them it’s bollocks but they will never believe me.
Johnson has made a career out of the alternate truth. The faithful just lap it up, so why should he stop now? The more outrageous the rhetoric the more endearing he becomes to his audience, and make no mistake it is a potentially huge audience.
Johnson is still on chapter one of the Trump playbook, but it is working just fine.
That's the weirdest response. "Lets do something that the Speaker won't let us do because...". Not having procedural bruisers like Grieve is pretty crappy isn't it?
There is no good outcome from here. The country is going to be consumed by Brexit for many years to come, with no stable settlement in sight.
This is why I'm leaning to No Deal.
I think they country will stomach it for six months max, and then we'll rejoin, and the Leavers will have no credibility to oppose it.
Every time they'll say no, rejoining will be a disaster, the country will remind them they said No Deal was Project Fear and/or No Deal will be fine.
I hope it wouldn't be too churlish of me to remind the 'rejoin' campaign that we were told :
(1) joining the common market would be great for business (result 3% reduction in GDP and the 3 day week), (2) that joining the ERM would make the economy more stable (outturn GDP fell for five successive quarters), (3) that leaving the ERM would be a disaster (actually interest rates dropped overnight and the economy grew for 50+ straight quarters), (4) that not joining the euro would leave us falling behind, say, Italy (posterity records Italy growing at the same speed as lichen since), (5) that Greece taking the bailout would lead to a short shock and a swift return to rapid growth (the economy is over a third smaller and is growing again after just 6 years), and (6) that a vote to leave the EU would result in 800k job losses (1M more, in reality), crashing house prices (nope), recession (no), Scottish UDI (no), the end of Western Civilization (no) and threaten peace in Europe (also no).
So you'll forgive the pinch of salt with which europhile forecasts, all wrong, all wrong in the same direction, and likely all wrong in the same direction for the same reasons, were taken.
That's the weirdest response. "Lets do something that the Speaker won't let us do because...". Not having procedural bruisers like Grieve is pretty crappy isn't it?
Grieve isn't acting as some sort of policeman. He's trying to gainsay the referendum.
What I really resent about this is that Boris went to all the trouble to get a kipper, but couldn't be bothered to check what he was saying was accurate.
Boris, the master negotiator is going to go down in Europe like a turd in a swimming pool.
What I really resent about this is that Boris went to all the trouble to get a kipper, but couldn't be bothered to check what he was saying was accurate.
It's so incredibly, deeply depressing.
While I’m no fan of Johnson I think he might have been set up because he claimed that he had been sent the kipper by someone making a point. Now an astute politician would have thought 1 kipper someone is taking the piss 2 Manx kipper their definitely taking the piss 3 elf and safety well that’s clearly the U.K. so they are clearly taking the piss.
The sad thing is kippers will join bananas conkers and other right wing media myths into the vocabulary of the faithful which I will waste hours trying to tell them it’s bollocks but they will never believe me.
Johnson has made a career out of the alternate truth. The faithful just lap it up, so why should he stop now? The more outrageous the rhetoric the more endearing he becomes to his audience, and make no mistake it is a potentially huge audience.
Johnson is still on chapter one of the Trump playbook, but it is working just fine.
Oh so true you can’t criticize him in so called middle class company they see no problem he’s going to bring the fun back into political life, if you dare suggest he is a dubious character with morals that would let an ally cat off and lies in every other sentence then you are a deplorable corbyn supporting Marxist
There is no good outcome from here. The country is going to be consumed by Brexit for many years to come, with no stable settlement in sight.
This is why I'm leaning to No Deal.
I think they country will stomach it for six months max, and then we'll rejoin, and the Leavers will have no credibility to oppose it.
Every time they'll say no, rejoining will be a disaster, the country will remind them they said No Deal was Project Fear and/or No Deal will be fine.
In truth, we're all well to do to very rich people, who will be doing fine, but we'll be ranting at each other about how the country is going to the dogs because of Brexit/not implementing Brexit.
That's the weirdest response. "Lets do something that the Speaker won't let us do because...". Not having procedural bruisers like Grieve is pretty crappy isn't it?
Grieve isn't acting as some sort of policeman. He's trying to gainsay the referendum.
He voted exactly the same way as Jacob Rees Mogg when the Commons was offered a chance to withdraw us from the EU.
That's the weirdest response. "Lets do something that the Speaker won't let us do because...". Not having procedural bruisers like Grieve is pretty crappy isn't it?
Grieve isn't acting as some sort of policeman. He's trying to gainsay the referendum.
He voted exactly the same way as Jacob Rees Mogg when the Commons was offered a chance to withdraw us from the EU.
(1) joining the common market would be great for business (result 3% reduction in GDP and the 3 day week)
So, the hangover from the Barber Boom was the result of joining the EEC?
The problem with all these (and this is true of Leavers and Remainers alike), is that everything is always a counterfactual.
I think the UK is very likely to fall into recession in late 2019 or 2020. This is nothing to do with leaving the EU, but is a combination of:
- our savings rate being at a fifty year low - the world economy slowing dramatically
As it happens, I suspect that a disorderly Brexit - and especially the departure from the double taxation and withholding tax treaties - would make that process more painful.
But stay or leave, the signs - whether PMIs, the bond market or household savings rates - are all pointing to us being at a cyclical peak right now.
There is no good outcome from here. The country is going to be consumed by Brexit for many years to come, with no stable settlement in sight.
This is why I'm leaning to No Deal.
I think they country will stomach it for six months max, and then we'll rejoin, and the Leavers will have no credibility to oppose it.
Every time they'll say no, rejoining will be a disaster, the country will remind them they said No Deal was Project Fear and/or No Deal will be fine.
I have some sympathy for that view but I have three professional children trying to make their way in a difficult world and given the sectors they work in a no deal exit could scupper them for years to come, ok you can tell me where the sunlit uplands are but that view is disappearing of the agenda as principle overtakes sanity. I’m protected apart from a limited exposure living in Spain but I’m still waiting for someone to come up with a sane argument to leave which is based around economics, or one that gives those who voted for it what they sought to achieve.
Go and read the OBR report from this morning and look at the GDP growth figures for the economy after we have got over the 12 month economic adjustment period.
"Adjustment period" = lots and lots of £ that will be lost solely because of Brexit.
If you could be bothered to read the report you would understand that in every year in cash terms UK Govt receipts increase.
Did UK governent receipts rise during the Global Financial Crisis? I would be very surprised if they did.
(Nevertheless, the general point is a correct one. Thanks to inflation, receipts nearly always rise.)
That's the weirdest response. "Lets do something that the Speaker won't let us do because...". Not having procedural bruisers like Grieve is pretty crappy isn't it?
Grieve isn't acting as some sort of policeman. He's trying to gainsay the referendum.
He voted exactly the same way as Jacob Rees Mogg when the Commons was offered a chance to withdraw us from the EU.
That's good then is it?
I dunno, depends on whether you want to leave or not.
That's the weirdest response. "Lets do something that the Speaker won't let us do because...". Not having procedural bruisers like Grieve is pretty crappy isn't it?
Grieve is a dishonest, self righteous fanatic, but he is generally effective at least.
Boris Johnson could say he would abide by a parliamentary vote rejecting no deal. But the rebels fear he could then pick a fight with Emmanuel Macron to ensure the French president vetoes a UK request to extend Article 50
How would involving the Queen prevent a French veto? This bit does seem likely
It is difficult to imagine the Queen intervening in politics so directly, even if the scheme was attempted.
So perhaps the eye-catching plan fits into the category of a device to put pressure on the next prime minister, rather than a mechanism to put the Queen on a Eurostar to Brussels.
Not least because since we know the arch Brexiteers care about nothing but Brexit - not the UK, not the Tories, not anything - the Queen is yet another institution they would be happy to attack at even the thought she might be used to stop Brexit.
Re wealth: it's also worth remembering that almost everyone on this site is a member of the global 1%. You might feel poor relative to Sean Thomas, but you're a lot closer to him in wealth and income, than you are to 95% of the world's population.
Re wealth: it's also worth remembering that almost everyone on this site is a member of the global 1%. You might feel poor relative to Sean Thomas, but you're a lot closer to him in wealth and income, than you are to 95% of the world's population.
Re wealth: it's also worth remembering that almost everyone on this site is a member of the global 1%. You might feel poor relative to Sean Thomas, but you're a lot closer to him in wealth and income, than you are to 95% of the world's population.
I expect you are right there. What value of wealth and/or income does someone need today to put them in the global 1%, do you know?
There is no good outcome from here. The country is going to be consumed by Brexit for many years to come, with no stable settlement in sight.
This is why I'm leaning to No Deal.
I think they country will stomach it for six months max, and then we'll rejoin, and the Leavers will have no credibility to oppose it.
Every time they'll say no, rejoining will be a disaster, the country will remind them they said No Deal was Project Fear and/or No Deal will be fine.
It really is the only sensible option. Everything tanking at the same time is probably preferable to a death by a thousand cuts, as would be reality should Johnson exhume Mrs May's woeful WA as something new and shiny. The sooner the fall, the sooner we can pick ourselves up.
If Johnson is personally held responsible for the debacle that will be a bonus.
I do however doubt once we leave we will ever return.
Re wealth: it's also worth remembering that almost everyone on this site is a member of the global 1%. You might feel poor relative to Sean Thomas, but you're a lot closer to him in wealth and income, than you are to 95% of the world's population.
There is no good outcome from here. The country is going to be consumed by Brexit for many years to come, with no stable settlement in sight.
This is why I'm leaning to No Deal.
I think they country will stomach it for six months max, and then we'll rejoin, and the Leavers will have no credibility to oppose it.
Every time they'll say no, rejoining will be a disaster, the country will remind them they said No Deal was Project Fear and/or No Deal will be fine.
I do however doubt once we leave we will ever return.
As do many people hence why they wouldn't except even an actual BINO, even as others pretended other things were BINO and refused to vote to leave on that basis.
Re wealth: it's also worth remembering that almost everyone on this site is a member of the global 1%. You might feel poor relative to Sean Thomas, but you're a lot closer to him in wealth and income, than you are to 95% of the world's population.
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https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/1151927527973236737
I love the way this woman explains it. It is like watching a mother explain to a toddler wearing a cape that leaping from the roof is not a good idea.
https://news.sky.com/video/eu-kipper-rules-set-by-uk-government-11765828
Boris, the master negotiator is going to go down in Europe like a turd in a swimming pool.
Last one is Croatia...
(In order to make the pun work, I'm gambling most people don't know how to pronounce that.)
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/07/what-johnson-will-be-like-as-prime-minister.html
It's so incredibly, deeply depressing.
Wouldn't want to live in London. Absolute shithole.
As to Schengen, Ireland also has an opt-out but that's only because of the CTA, They've already said many times that if the UK ever joined Schengen they would join it with us.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/18/commons-vote-boris-johnson-brexit-democracy
Could we not find a subject with more currency ?
Because if so, to be franc I must disagree.
1 kipper someone is taking the piss
2 Manx kipper their definitely taking the piss
3 elf and safety well that’s clearly the U.K. so they are clearly taking the piss.
The sad thing is kippers will join bananas conkers and other right wing media myths into the vocabulary of the faithful which I will waste hours trying to tell them it’s bollocks but they will never believe me.
You’re being ridiculously generous to the mendacious fnck.
I replied it was a big sign saying 'Reading; South Wales; The West; M4.'
As I get older my views change.
Now it's a screen in Euston saying 'Rugeley Trent Valley: Platform 5, now boarding.'
But it isn't really about normal people, is it? It's about millionaires from everywhere, including overseas, with more money than sense, buying up worthless properties that far too many of them seldom use.
Apart from anything else, there are not enough currencies, so we will just go rand and rand in circles.
Ok in US Presidential campaign last year’s and that makes it easier to change policy positions over time, but it is in some ways a sign of how unserious (and personally insecure?) Johnson is as a candidate that despite having the contest in the bag (probably literally) weeks ago he has made no attempt to give himself at least some wiggle room on his most controversial statements, in fact has in many cases hardened his position, and has continued to prioritise seeking the adoration of Party members first and foremost, long after he needed them. Anyone with any sense would have been moderating his stances, introducing a path to a more realistic way forward, and giving him hope of keeping the sensible Tory politicians on board. If he felt ultimately he had to revert to a hardline stance then he could still do that, but it surely can’t sensibly be his default (and potentially only?) way forward.
Make the red lights turn green, endlessly
My black cab rolls through the neon disease
Endlessly, endlessly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5I9DTO9m8
Wouldn’t want to live there, though.
Johnson is still on chapter one of the Trump playbook, but it is working just fine.
(1) joining the common market would be great for business (result 3% reduction in GDP and the 3 day week),
(2) that joining the ERM would make the economy more stable (outturn GDP fell for five successive quarters),
(3) that leaving the ERM would be a disaster (actually interest rates dropped overnight and the economy grew for 50+ straight quarters),
(4) that not joining the euro would leave us falling behind, say, Italy (posterity records Italy growing at the same speed as lichen since),
(5) that Greece taking the bailout would lead to a short shock and a swift return to rapid growth (the economy is over a third smaller and is growing again after just 6 years), and
(6) that a vote to leave the EU would result in 800k job losses (1M more, in reality), crashing house prices (nope), recession (no), Scottish UDI (no), the end of Western Civilization (no) and threaten peace in Europe (also no).
So you'll forgive the pinch of salt with which europhile forecasts, all wrong, all wrong in the same direction, and likely all wrong in the same direction for the same reasons, were taken.
Forecasts vote remain, outcomes vote leave.
Currency puns? We can't escudos opportunities when they do arise.
The problem with all these (and this is true of Leavers and Remainers alike), is that everything is always a counterfactual.
I think the UK is very likely to fall into recession in late 2019 or 2020. This is nothing to do with leaving the EU, but is a combination of:
- our savings rate being at a fifty year low
- the world economy slowing dramatically
As it happens, I suspect that a disorderly Brexit - and especially the departure from the double taxation and withholding tax treaties - would make that process more painful.
But stay or leave, the signs - whether PMIs, the bond market or household savings rates - are all pointing to us being at a cyclical peak right now.
(Nevertheless, the general point is a correct one. Thanks to inflation, receipts nearly always rise.)
https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1151904603446894592
How would involving the Queen prevent a French veto? This bit does seem likely
It is difficult to imagine the Queen intervening in politics so directly, even if the scheme was attempted.
So perhaps the eye-catching plan fits into the category of a device to put pressure on the next prime minister, rather than a mechanism to put the Queen on a Eurostar to Brussels.
Not least because since we know the arch Brexiteers care about nothing but Brexit - not the UK, not the Tories, not anything - the Queen is yet another institution they would be happy to attack at even the thought she might be used to stop Brexit.
$32,400 puts you in the top 1% globally by income.
If Johnson is personally held responsible for the debacle that will be a bonus.
I do however doubt once we leave we will ever return.