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Why would such a person trust Isabel Oakeshott?Philip_Thompson said:I would also say that whoever leaked this probably agreed with the Ambassadors assessment of Trump and was happy to see it more widely publicised.
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It seems to me that increasingly Liam Fox has been morphing into one of the grown ups.
Should I seek medical advice?0 -
Brilliant , gets my vote even though I’m not a Corbyn fan.CarlottaVance said:
If you want to not be Trumps lapdog vote Labour .0 -
Is it likely? Have I missed a poll ;-)Pulpstar said:
I'd strongly disagree on 3, 1 and 2 highly likely mind.stodge said:Remember a 40% vote share for the Liberal Democrats achieves the following:
1) The end of Boris Johnson as Conservative leader.
2) The end of Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader.
3) Making Nigel Farage an irrelevance.
It would in any case depend on how the other 60% split, by party and regionally. Don't you just love FPTP.
I have my doubts about any of the existing seat projections tools being accurate. They are good for two or even three party battles - but four or four and a half? I think probably not.0 -
Dr Fox will see you now.rottenborough said:It seems to me that increasingly Liam Fox has been morphing into one of the grown ups.
Should I seek medical advice?
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Under a different leader, yes. Under Corbyn, No. He carries too much baggage on anti-semitism, Brexit and his past dalliances with Hamas etc to pull any sort of coalition togetherSouthamObserver said:
A pro-Trump Johnson could well revive the 2017 Labour coalition.Cyclefree said:If anything were to make me a Corbynista, it would be the embarrassing and pitiful grovelling and arse-licking towards the US which the British politicians, particularly in the Tory party, indulge in.
I have a lot of time for the US. But they are not always right or sensible or wise. And they act in their own interests, not our. Always have done. Always will. Long past the time for us to realise this and to stop this childish desire to be the the US’s best friend in a way which demeans us. The way we behave is little better than bending over and holding our ankles.
It is both pathetic and humiliating.0 -
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Can they not read? Two are actually to work on the backstop itself.rottenborough said:0 -
Of course not, but those opinions need to be deniable. In any case, I presume he hasn't resigned from his job, merely from his posting.not_on_fire said:
Do you really think the purpose of Ambassadors is to report back rose-tinted platitudes about their host government? Every ambassador in the US from all countries (save perhaps Russia) will have been sending similar thoughts to their home governments.Fenster said:Been too busy to follow politics but how can anyone think Darroch's position is/was tenable?! He had to walk. You can't get busted badmouthing the president of the country you are serving in and expect to keep the chief diplomatic role.
Resign was the only practical thing he could do.0 -
Utter bollocksnico67 said:
Brilliant , gets my vote even though I’m not a Corbyn fan.CarlottaVance said:
If you want to not be Trumps lapdog vote Labour .
Never once has Corbyn stood up for anyone other the enemies of the UK.
He is beyond untrustworthy.0 -
Indeed.anothernick said:It also plays very well for remain. Brexit Britain = licking Trump's hindquarters.
"If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine kissing the rancid buttocks of a corpulent septuagenarian and eating chlorinated chicken ... FOREVER."0 -
The Ambassador was already going. He was due to retire and due to be replaced and that had already been announced.nico67 said:
Unlikely . The leak was designed to get rid of the ambassador as they knew it would cause a massive problem for the government. What was said in the leak was hardly a shock , most sane people would agree .Philip_Thompson said:I would also say that whoever leaked this probably agreed with the Ambassadors assessment of Trump and was happy to see it more widely publicised.
Why cause a major security breach, risk a prison sentence, embarrass the government, embarrass the President just to get rid of an Ambassador a couple of months before he was due to be replaced anyway? It doesn't make any sense.0 -
Hmm. What if it was our Ambassador to Moscow who was resigning in similar circumstances?nico67 said:
Brilliant , gets my vote even though I’m not a Corbyn fan.CarlottaVance said:
If you want to not be Trumps lapdog vote Labour .0 -
It may just be me but that isn't much money for a job in central London.rottenborough said:0 -
He is getting the blame for not backing our top diplomat who had done nothing wrong. Getting blamed for his resignation is not the same thing.GIN1138 said:
Unless Boris (or friends of Boris) turns out to be the leaker I'm still unsure why Boris is getting the blame for Kim resinging?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I voted neither - pleased with my decisionCyclefree said:TheScreamingEagles said:Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.
Boris Johnson is neither of those things.
Well said.TheScreamingEagles said:Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.
Boris Johnson is neither of those things.
Tory members voting for this man should be ashamed of themselves.
Boris will have lost a lot today no matter what his supporters say
Kim was done for the moment the leak happened. If anything Boris was the only one facing up to the reality of the situation and even then he didn't actually call on him to resign.0 -
Imagine if we had to wash down chlorinated chicken with chlorinated tap water . .kinabalu said:
Indeed.anothernick said:It also plays very well for remain. Brexit Britain = licking Trump's hindquarters.
"If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine kissing the rancid buttocks of a corpulent septuagenarian and eating chlorinated chicken ... FOREVER."1 -
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Boris is a bully. And like all bullies folds like a wet napkin when bullied himself. It wouldn't have occurred to him to stand up for Britain against Trump, it's not what bullies do.Scott_P said:0 -
Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...rottenborough said:
Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.0 -
No, as Boris wins over some 2017 Labour Leave voters as Ashcroft's poll showed yesterday while more Remainers vote LD or GreenSouthamObserver said:
A pro-Trump Johnson could well revive the 2017 Labour coalition.Cyclefree said:If anything were to make me a Corbynista, it would be the embarrassing and pitiful grovelling and arse-licking towards the US which the British politicians, particularly in the Tory party, indulge in.
I have a lot of time for the US. But they are not always right or sensible or wise. And they act in their own interests, not our. Always have done. Always will. Long past the time for us to realise this and to stop this childish desire to be the the US’s best friend in a way which demeans us. The way we behave is little better than bending over and holding our ankles.
It is both pathetic and humiliating.0 -
They aren't past dalliances - they are part of his core beliefs.OllyT said:
Under a different leader, yes. Under Corbyn, No. He carries too much baggage on anti-semitism, Brexit and his past dalliances with Hamas etc to pull any sort of coalition togetherSouthamObserver said:
A pro-Trump Johnson could well revive the 2017 Labour coalition.Cyclefree said:If anything were to make me a Corbynista, it would be the embarrassing and pitiful grovelling and arse-licking towards the US which the British politicians, particularly in the Tory party, indulge in.
I have a lot of time for the US. But they are not always right or sensible or wise. And they act in their own interests, not our. Always have done. Always will. Long past the time for us to realise this and to stop this childish desire to be the the US’s best friend in a way which demeans us. The way we behave is little better than bending over and holding our ankles.
It is both pathetic and humiliating.
He openly supports enemies of the UK and of freedom0 -
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Please stop speaking on behalf of Leavers. You are a Remainer. You voted remain you are not a leaver and don't know what they are thinking or intend to do.HYUFD said:
No, as Boris wins over some 2017 Labour Leave voters as Ashcroft's poll showed yesterday while more Remainers vote LD or GreenSouthamObserver said:
A pro-Trump Johnson could well revive the 2017 Labour coalition.Cyclefree said:If anything were to make me a Corbynista, it would be the embarrassing and pitiful grovelling and arse-licking towards the US which the British politicians, particularly in the Tory party, indulge in.
I have a lot of time for the US. But they are not always right or sensible or wise. And they act in their own interests, not our. Always have done. Always will. Long past the time for us to realise this and to stop this childish desire to be the the US’s best friend in a way which demeans us. The way we behave is little better than bending over and holding our ankles.
It is both pathetic and humiliating.0 -
Yes, he really ought to come straight back from the palace and call an election.rottenborough said:For all the Back Boris bluster and noise, he is actually going to be the weakest PM we have seen in a long time.
Hats off to him if he does. It's what we need.0 -
So oldish news but a change from Boris
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48934045
Can someone explain how the third paragraph follows from the second? Given the DUP viewpoint surely ensuring devolution at Stormont is restored 21 October is essential otherwise their views will have been overridden.
Votes by MPs to legalise same-sex marriage and liberalise abortion law in Northern Ireland breach the devolution settlement, the Democratic Unionist Party has said.
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While the votes do not automatically change the law, they compel government to make the changes if devolution at Stormont is not restored by 21 October.
The DUP said the votes make it more difficult to restore its power-sharing government with Sinn Féin that collapsed in January 2017 amid a bitter row.0 -
Don't you tell me who I speak for or not.TOPPING said:
Please stop speaking on behalf of Leavers. You are a Remainer. You voted remain you are not a leaver and don't know what they are thinking or intend to do.HYUFD said:
No, as Boris wins over some 2017 Labour Leave voters as Ashcroft's poll showed yesterday while more Remainers vote LD or GreenSouthamObserver said:
A pro-Trump Johnson could well revive the 2017 Labour coalition.Cyclefree said:If anything were to make me a Corbynista, it would be the embarrassing and pitiful grovelling and arse-licking towards the US which the British politicians, particularly in the Tory party, indulge in.
I have a lot of time for the US. But they are not always right or sensible or wise. And they act in their own interests, not our. Always have done. Always will. Long past the time for us to realise this and to stop this childish desire to be the the US’s best friend in a way which demeans us. The way we behave is little better than bending over and holding our ankles.
It is both pathetic and humiliating.
I can read the polling evidence as much as anyone else, the majority of Leavers want to Leave Deal or No Deal in October0 -
This time in two weeks Boris will be kissing hands with HMQ. Then he'll go to Downing St and start choosing his Cabinet.
And the Johsnon Ministry will have begun.
Just let that sink in PB...
Don't have nightmares.
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Yes as seen downthread, how dare we have a PM who actually campaigned for Leave and has an optimistic vision of Brexit!GIN1138 said:
Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...rottenborough said:
Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.0 -
That hardly narrows it downPhilip_Thompson said:I would also say that whoever leaked this probably agreed with the Ambassadors assessment of Trump and was happy to see it more widely publicised.
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Given the scale of the problem they are being asked to solve I would suggest sticking a zero on the end of those salaries.eek said:
It may just be me but that isn't much money for a job in central London.rottenborough said:0 -
Grade 7 isn't very senior!eek said:
It may just be me but that isn't much money for a job in central London.rottenborough said:0 -
He has clearly already got his Cabinet picks worked out. The question is how he deals with people like Gove and Hunt.GIN1138 said:This time in two weeks Boris will be kissing hands with HMQ. Then he'll go to Downing St and start choosing his Cabinet.
And the Johsnon Ministry will have begun.
Just let that sink in PB...
Don't have nightmares.0 -
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Saying it and delivering it are not quite the same thingScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/fatshez/status/1148977408676155392williamglenn said:Boris Johnson may find himself in the driving seat, but will the pedals and steering wheel work? He might not have much control over the direction things take.
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You voted Remain you are a Remainer. You also say you are a conservative but I don't hear you tell us what Labour supporters would do. You have no idea. Likewise you are not a leaver so can't speak for them.HYUFD said:
Don't you tell me who I speak for or not.TOPPING said:
Please stop speaking on behalf of Leavers. You are a Remainer. You voted remain you are not a leaver and don't know what they are thinking or intend to do.HYUFD said:
No, as Boris wins over some 2017 Labour Leave voters as Ashcroft's poll showed yesterday while more Remainers vote LD or GreenSouthamObserver said:
A pro-Trump Johnson could well revive the 2017 Labour coalition.Cyclefree said:If anything were to make me a Corbynista, it would be the embarrassing and pitiful grovelling and arse-licking towards the US which the British politicians, particularly in the Tory party, indulge in.
I have a lot of time for the US. But they are not always right or sensible or wise. And they act in their own interests, not our. Always have done. Always will. Long past the time for us to realise this and to stop this childish desire to be the the US’s best friend in a way which demeans us. The way we behave is little better than bending over and holding our ankles.
It is both pathetic and humiliating.
I can read the polling evidence as much as anyone else, the majority of Leavers want to Leave Deal or No Deal in October
And polls schmolls.0 -
I think that misses the point. It is not the chlorination that is the issue but the reason for the chlorination and as I have never heard of a case of cruelty or mistreatment of water I think we are okPhilip_Thompson said:
Imagine if we had to wash down chlorinated chicken with chlorinated tap water . .kinabalu said:
Indeed.anothernick said:It also plays very well for remain. Brexit Britain = licking Trump's hindquarters.
"If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine kissing the rancid buttocks of a corpulent septuagenarian and eating chlorinated chicken ... FOREVER."0 -
Boris really is a coward.Scott_P said:0 -
Damage limitation.....
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/11489879850205634570 -
Brits are obviously lying! Or at best uninformed of their own cognitive biases.Scott_P said:0 -
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S&P 500 Touches 3,000 as Stock Rally Powers On
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/10/business/sp-3000.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage0 -
"It's claimed" being a synonym for it's entirely made up ?Scott_P said:
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A dishonest adulterous buffoonish coward.Scott_P said:0 -
Vice Chair of Senate Intelligence Ctte tweets:
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As for the replacement I read a few days before this blew up that there was an initiative to recruit non civil servants to ambassador roles. What prescient timing.0
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They SAY they want realism. They just like optimistic realismnoneoftheabove said:
Brits are obviously lying! Or at best uninformed of their own cognitive biases.Scott_P said:
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Or extremely optimistic about their own realism.noneoftheabove said:
Brits are obviously lying! Or at best uninformed of their own cognitive biases.Scott_P said:0 -
Because a blind man with an optimistic view of crossing the road is just what we need right now?HYUFD said:
Yes as seen downthread, how dare we have a PM who actually campaigned for Leave and has an optimistic vision of Brexit!GIN1138 said:
Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...rottenborough said:
Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.1 -
Can someone explain how the third paragraph follows from the second? Given the DUP viewpoint surely ensuring devolution at Stormont is restored 21 October is essential otherwise their views will have been overridden.eek said:So oldish news but a change from Boris
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48934045
Votes by MPs to legalise same-sex marriage and liberalise abortion law in Northern Ireland breach the devolution settlement, the Democratic Unionist Party has said.
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While the votes do not automatically change the law, they compel government to make the changes if devolution at Stormont is not restored by 21 October.
The DUP said the votes make it more difficult to restore its power-sharing government with Sinn Féin that collapsed in January 2017 amid a bitter row.
I presume because Sinn Fein won't come back into government when there is the prospect of a monstrous humiliation for the DUP around the corner.
On which, doesn't this make it more likely the DUP will pull support from the Government? They may well seek a GE rather than this.0 -
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The reason for the chlorination is for food hygiene. So long as it works for that purpose it shouldn't be banned.kjh said:
I think that misses the point. It is not the chlorination that is the issue but the reason for the chlorination and as I have never heard of a case of cruelty or mistreatment of water I think we are okPhilip_Thompson said:
Imagine if we had to wash down chlorinated chicken with chlorinated tap water . .kinabalu said:
Indeed.anothernick said:It also plays very well for remain. Brexit Britain = licking Trump's hindquarters.
"If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine kissing the rancid buttocks of a corpulent septuagenarian and eating chlorinated chicken ... FOREVER."
The logic against is like saying drivers seatbelts should be banned because that would make drivers drive safer.0 -
They'd love Rory over there. It's the accent you see.CarlottaVance said:0 -
I see Richard Tice being in the frame.TOPPING said:As for the replacement I read a few days before this blew up that there was an initiative to recruit non civil servants to ambassador roles. What prescient timing.
But when that happens I close my eyes immediately and keep them closed.0 -
What we need is someone who believes in the FTA for GB and restoration of sovereignty and border control Vote Leave won on not someone trying to keep as close ties to the EU as possible if not outright trying to stop Brexit altogetherIanB2 said:
Because a blind man with an optimistic view of crossing the road is just what we need right now?HYUFD said:
Yes as seen downthread, how dare we have a PM who actually campaigned for Leave and has an optimistic vision of Brexit!GIN1138 said:
Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...rottenborough said:
Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.0 -
Hmm an election makes removing the law in time impossible. the DUP really don't have a good route out of this. My (more liberal) NI are loving this.dixiedean said:
I presume because Sinn Fein won't come back into government when there is the prospect of a monstrous humiliation for the DUP around the corner.eek said:So oldish news but a change from Boris
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48934045
Can someone explain how the third paragraph follows from the second? Given the DUP viewpoint surely ensuring devolution at Stormont is restored 21 October is essential otherwise their views will have been overridden.BBC said:
Votes by MPs to legalise same-sex marriage and liberalise abortion law in Northern Ireland breach the devolution settlement, the Democratic Unionist Party has said.
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While the votes do not automatically change the law, they compel government to make the changes if devolution at Stormont is not restored by 21 October.
The DUP said the votes make it more difficult to restore its power-sharing government with Sinn Féin that collapsed in January 2017 amid a bitter row.
On which, doesn't this make it more likely the DUP will pull support from the Government? They may well seek a GE rather than this.
As for Boris I suspect you are right - Early today I had Boris as PM until September 6th (as I expected a VoNC after the recess) I now half suspect it might be immediate on July 25th and he will lose...1 -
Nah. What you, I and the other Remainers want is to maintain very close ties to the EU.HYUFD said:
What we need is someone who believes in the FTA for GB and restoration of sovereignty and border control Vote Leave won on not someone trying to keep as close ties to the EU as possible if not outright trying to stop Brexit altogetherIanB2 said:
Because a blind man with an optimistic view of crossing the road is just what we need right now?HYUFD said:
Yes as seen downthread, how dare we have a PM who actually campaigned for Leave and has an optimistic vision of Brexit!GIN1138 said:
Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...rottenborough said:
Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.1 -
Yes and if Boris does win a majority the tantrums and throwing toys out of the pram here on election night will be worth staying up all night for!GIN1138 said:This time in two weeks Boris will be kissing hands with HMQ. Then he'll go to Downing St and start choosing his Cabinet.
And the Johsnon Ministry will have begun.
Just let that sink in PB...
Don't have nightmares.1 -
Could be May's last act before the deluge engulfs us all.CarlottaVance said:0 -
GB is not the country. The question asked in the referendum was should the United Kingdom leave the EU not should GB.HYUFD said:
What we need is someone who believes in the FTA for GB and restoration of sovereignty and border control Vote Leave won on not someone trying to keep as close ties to the EU as possible if not outright trying to stop Brexit altogetherIanB2 said:
Because a blind man with an optimistic view of crossing the road is just what we need right now?HYUFD said:
Yes as seen downthread, how dare we have a PM who actually campaigned for Leave and has an optimistic vision of Brexit!GIN1138 said:
Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...rottenborough said:
Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.0 -
He would have to give up being an MEP if he was a diplomat. I doubt he would be willing to do that and his business interests might be a problem as well. I think it is just newspaper gossip! Interesting but a complete non-starter.kinabalu said:
I see Richard Tice being in the frame.TOPPING said:As for the replacement I read a few days before this blew up that there was an initiative to recruit non civil servants to ambassador roles. What prescient timing.
But when that happens I close my eyes immediately and keep them closed.0 -
It will be. However, I strongly suspect it won't be the case as 2 posters will kill it.HYUFD said:
Yes and if Boris does win a majority the tantrums and throwing out of the pram here on election night will be worth staying up all night for!GIN1138 said:This time in two weeks Boris will be kissing hands with HMQ. Then he'll go to Downing St and start choosing his Cabinet.
And the Johsnon Ministry will have begun.
Just let that sink in PB...
Don't have nightmares.
1) Boris in Trump's pocket will send people towards remain.
2) Boris in Farage's pocket will send people towards Brexit.
Pockets may not be necessary, puppets work just as well...
As I've stated for months the Tory party is dead the only question is how and when it dies.. And the when determines the how...0 -
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It's because Sinn Fein have been in favour of those liberalising moves in the Republic, so they aren't likely to allow the DUP to prevent the changes in NI.eek said:So oldish news but a change from Boris
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48934045
Can someone explain how the third paragraph follows from the second? Given the DUP viewpoint surely ensuring devolution at Stormont is restored 21 October is essential otherwise their views will have been overridden.BBC said:
Votes by MPs to legalise same-sex marriage and liberalise abortion law in Northern Ireland breach the devolution settlement, the Democratic Unionist Party has said.
....
While the votes do not automatically change the law, they compel government to make the changes if devolution at Stormont is not restored by 21 October.
The DUP said the votes make it more difficult to restore its power-sharing government with Sinn Féin that collapsed in January 2017 amid a bitter row.0 -
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Corbyn has been somewhat lucky today - the resignation of our Ambassador is somewhat overshadowing the exposure of his involvement in the Labour failure to tackle anti-semitism.0
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Almost worth it for the detonations......
https://twitter.com/colinrtalbot/status/11489943279406489600 -
Is that unhinged? I like both unions and would like to keep them. But I guess that if you don't value the European one it is consistent to be indifferent to the UK one as well.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, another thread of polling showing how unhinged Leave supporters are:
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And Northern Ireland voted Remain unlike GB and is the only part of the UK bordering a part of the EU and can decide by referendum if it wants the backstop to avoid a hard border with the Republic and protect the Good Friday Agreement or wants to join the UK immediately out of the Customs UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
GB is not the country. The question asked in the referendum was should the United Kingdom leave the EU not should GB.HYUFD said:
What we need is someone who believes in the FTA for GB and restoration of sovereignty and border control Vote Leave won on not someone trying to keep as close ties to the EU as possible if not outright trying to stop Brexit altogetherIanB2 said:
Because a blind man with an optimistic view of crossing the road is just what we need right now?HYUFD said:
Yes as seen downthread, how dare we have a PM who actually campaigned for Leave and has an optimistic vision of Brexit!GIN1138 said:
Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...rottenborough said:
Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.0 -
So how does the DUP resolve the issue as I suspect that is going to seriously impact the next few months....OblitusSumMe said:
It's because Sinn Fein have been in favour of those liberalising moves in the Republic, so they aren't likely to allow the DUP to prevent the changes in NI.eek said:So oldish news but a change from Boris
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48934045
Can someone explain how the third paragraph follows from the second? Given the DUP viewpoint surely ensuring devolution at Stormont is restored 21 October is essential otherwise their views will have been overridden.BBC said:
Votes by MPs to legalise same-sex marriage and liberalise abortion law in Northern Ireland breach the devolution settlement, the Democratic Unionist Party has said.
....
While the votes do not automatically change the law, they compel government to make the changes if devolution at Stormont is not restored by 21 October.
The DUP said the votes make it more difficult to restore its power-sharing government with Sinn Féin that collapsed in January 2017 amid a bitter row.
Equally how does Boris fix it so the DUP don't abstain when the VoNC (on July 25th) occurs...0 -
Democrat?CarlottaVance said:Vice Chair of Senate Intelligence Ctte tweets:
https://twitter.com/MarkWarner/status/1148979821877309441 0 -
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No Brexit kills the Tories, commitment to delivering Brexit saves iteek said:
It will be. However, I strongly suspect it won't be the case as 2 posters will kill it.HYUFD said:
Yes and if Boris does win a majority the tantrums and throwing out of the pram here on election night will be worth staying up all night for!GIN1138 said:This time in two weeks Boris will be kissing hands with HMQ. Then he'll go to Downing St and start choosing his Cabinet.
And the Johsnon Ministry will have begun.
Just let that sink in PB...
Don't have nightmares.
1) Boris in Trump's pocket will send people towards remain.
2) Boris in Farage's pocket will send people towards Brexit.
Pockets may not be necessary, puppets work just as well...
As I've stated for months the Tory party is dead the only question is how and when it dies.. And the when determines the how...0 -
Sir Ivan Rogers would be even better.CarlottaVance said:Almost worth it for the detonations......
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How are these people so stupid!CarlottaVance said:0 -
Exactly, they want the UK Union but if Scots or Northern Ireland voters insist on Remain as their price for staying in the UK they prefer Brexit for Englsnd and WalesRecidivist said:
Is that unhinged? I like both unions and would like to keep them. But I guess that if you don't value the European one it is consistent to be indifferent to the UK one as well.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, another thread of polling showing how unhinged Leave supporters are:
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Corbyn wouldn't have been my choice for Labour leader, and I still think Labour would be doing better with somebody else. But you have to say if you compare him to what the Tories are serving up at the moment he's definitely the better offer.nico67 said:
Brilliant , gets my vote even though I’m not a Corbyn fan.CarlottaVance said:
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Following on from this given that a VoNC destroys Boris does he go for a general election on the 24th and how will Labour play it?eek said:
So how does the DUP resolve the issue as I suspect that is going to seriously impact the next few months....OblitusSumMe said:
It's because Sinn Fein have been in favour of those liberalising moves in the Republic, so they aren't likely to allow the DUP to prevent the changes in NI.eek said:So oldish news but a change from Boris
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48934045
Can someone explain how the third paragraph follows from the second? Given the DUP viewpoint surely ensuring devolution at Stormont is restored 21 October is essential otherwise their views will have been overridden.BBC said:
Votes by MPs to legalise same-sex marriage and liberalise abortion law in Northern Ireland breach the devolution settlement, the Democratic Unionist Party has said.
....
While the votes do not automatically change the law, they compel government to make the changes if devolution at Stormont is not restored by 21 October.
The DUP said the votes make it more difficult to restore its power-sharing government with Sinn Féin that collapsed in January 2017 amid a bitter row.
Equally how does Boris fix it so the DUP don't abstain when the VoNC (on July 25th) occurs...0 -
They make slightly more sense than the other 46%!HYUFD said:0 -
Crispin Blunt making hard work of defending Bozza on PM.
"We need optimism, hope and a bit of oomph."
And that is all.0
