A wise decision by Darroch. He is entirely blameless in this matter but his position was untenable and unlike so many commentators has the intelligence to recognise the need to resign. Hunt comes well out of this - Boris rather less so.
I wonder is all this increases the chances of enough MPs indicating they would not have confidence in Boris that it will prevent TM advising HM the Queen that he should be invited to form a government.
At which point it would get exciting. The failure to give our man in Washington support for saying in private what everyone says in public may be a big mistake for Boris, and looks wrong to many of his natural sympathisers.
The problem with the way Seamus wants Jezza to approach PMQs is that it is all about raising an issue that will give them a few seconds of vid for campaigning social media.
Never mind if not the big major news story of the day.
Will you vote for a Conservative party led by him?
Well I’m fortunate I live in a Lib Dem/Labour marginal so not an issue for me.
But if this is a harbinger of a Boris premiership I think I’ll remain a member but stop campaigning until we return to sanity.
Although if Boris revokes or goes for a very long transition then I may revise my views.
I am genuinely sorry this has happened to the Conservative party - on a personal level for good people - with whom I completely disagree - such as you, Richard N, Mr G, etc - but, more importantly, for the country.
Ugh. Inevitable but it feels the chaos of Trump and of Brexit has consumed us now.
I don't know his views or his ambitions, but if Kim Darroch wanted to run in Uxbridge as a Martin Bell 'white suit' candidate at the next election, I'd be right behind him.
See what I mean, Jezza now shouting and ranting about 'go home' vans.
It looks terrible on TV. Just a ranty, raving old man. Maybe it works on social media as a very short clip.
It was a typical performance from Allotment Man. He is trying to get some clips out to deflect attention from what is going to hit the Labour Party tonight.
Thankfully, nothing he can say today will prevent that shitstorm from happening tonight.
It would be nice if Twitter could be shut down for a few months to give everyone a rest.
Yep.
Funnily though, when it was first launched hardly anyone could work out what use it would be or why it would work as a service.
The problem with Twitter is that it doesn't give people time to cool off. When people used to write letters, they'd often write angry messages and rip them up later on before actually posting them.
Boris's premiership will quickly make us yearn for Theresa May, in a similar way to how Corbyn's leadership of Labour makes the Ed Milliband's tenure look like a golden era of competence and achievement.
Boris's premiership will quickly make us yearn for Theresa May, in a similar way to how Corbyn's leadership of Labour makes the Ed Milliband's tenure look like a golden era of competence and achievement.
I suspect that's exactly right - although the Johnson era may be a short lived one.
Ugh. Inevitable but it feels the chaos of Trump and of Brexit has consumed us now.
I don't know his views or his ambitions, but if Kim Darroch wanted to run in Uxbridge as a Martin Bell 'white suit' candidate at the next election, I'd be right behind him.
Odd, but I was thinking about that very thing last night. I didn't have the identity of the suit-filler, but your idea could be a cracker...
Boris's premiership will quickly make us yearn for Theresa May, in a similar way to how Corbyn's leadership of Labour makes the Ed Milliband's tenure look like a golden era of competence and achievement.
I suspect that's exactly right - although the Johnson era may be a short lived one.
If that's the case, it'll look like halycon days compared to the Corbyn era.
Cameron was a step up from Brown, perhaps chaos with Ed Miliband would have been the better choice with hindsight long term though. Was tricky to see that in 2015 mind..
Surely game was up when Trump chose to freeze him out? An Ambassador who is frozen out is not much of an Ambassador.
It shouldn't have been leaked and we should investigate and punish whoever did it, but our diplomatic corps need to realise leaks are quite probable in the internet age. Shouldn't be, but are. Pandora's Box can't be closed.
Surely game was up when Trump chose to freeze him out? An Ambassador who is frozen out is not much of an Ambassador.
It shouldn't have been leaked and we should investigate and punish whoever did it, but our diplomatic corps need to realise leaks are quite probable in the internet age. Shouldn't be, but are. Pandora's Box can't be closed.
Whoever failed to ensure communication between the Ambassador and HMG were not secure and encrypted should also be facing serious questions.
I hope all Tory members who are merrily voting for Boris can live with themselves.
His tenure was ending soon anyway and Trunp had already frozen him out.
Whoever leaked should be in jail but realistically the moment this was published he was doomed. He should have fallen on his sword days ago.
Not at all.
He was entitled to confidentiality and support which is evident across the political spectrum today, apart from Boris who comes out of this with a big fail
Surely game was up when Trump chose to freeze him out? An Ambassador who is frozen out is not much of an Ambassador.
It shouldn't have been leaked and we should investigate and punish whoever did it, but our diplomatic corps need to realise leaks are quite probable in the internet age. Shouldn't be, but are. Pandora's Box can't be closed.
Whoever failed to ensure communication between the Ambassador and HMG were not secure and encrypted should also be facing serious questions.
Indeed though in 2019 is such encryption even possible?
Wikileaks have gotten their hands on a plethora of diplomatic cables over the past decade. People keep acting like this is unprecedented and it just isn't.
Whoever failed to ensure communication between the Ambassador and HMG were not secure and encrypted should also be facing serious questions.
They were secure and encrypted.
Then they are distributed to lots of people within HMG, one of whom gave them to a "journalist"
My headcanon says that GCHQ decrypted them, handed them to the NSA, who gave them to Trump, who gave them to Farage/Boris, who leaked them to the press via Oakeshott...
Ugh. Inevitable but it feels the chaos of Trump and of Brexit has consumed us now.
I don't know his views or his ambitions, but if Kim Darroch wanted to run in Uxbridge as a Martin Bell 'white suit' candidate at the next election, I'd be right behind him.
What a fantastic idea particularly if all the other parties would stand down
A wise decision by Darroch. He is entirely blameless in this matter but his position was untenable and unlike so many commentators has the intelligence to recognise the need to resign. Hunt comes well out of this - Boris rather less so.
Disagree that Hunt comes well out of this. He failed to back Darroch on principle. I also have a strong suspicion Hunt is protecting the leaker.
Darroch didn't have a choice - nothing to do with what Johnson said last night, everything to do with the leaker and the response from the White House.
Darroch knew he couldn't carry on in the role when he was cut off from access from the people he needed to work with in order to do his job. So he had to resign - which he has done, with honour.
A wise decision by Darroch. He is entirely blameless in this matter but his position was untenable and unlike so many commentators has the intelligence to recognise the need to resign. Hunt comes well out of this - Boris rather less so.
Disagree that Hunt comes well out of this. He failed to back Darroch on principle. I also have a strong suspicion Hunt is protecting the leaker.
Liam Fox called it correctly IMO
Hunt and Boris are both protecting the leaker, just in case he is on their team. One of them might know, of course.
Whoever failed to ensure communication between the Ambassador and HMG were not secure and encrypted should also be facing serious questions.
They were secure and encrypted.
Then they are distributed to lots of people within HMG, one of whom gave them to a "journalist"
My headcanon says that GCHQ decrypted them, handed them to the NSA, who gave them to Trump, who gave them to Farage/Boris, who leaked them to the press via Oakeshott...
That's pretty much how we got the Americans into WW1.
I hope all Tory members who are merrily voting for Boris can live with themselves.
His tenure was ending soon anyway and Trunp had already frozen him out.
Whoever leaked should be in jail but realistically the moment this was published he was doomed. He should have fallen on his sword days ago.
Perhaps we should freeze out the US Ambassador following the comments he has made quite publicly about our Prime Minister and the Mayor of London.
If you can't see that we are just giving in to an overgrown baby and bully to boot then you are entirely missing the point. This is a glimpse of our future after Brexit with Johnson playing Trump's poodle. Any trade deal will be what Trump decides it will be and if we argue he'll throw another tantrum
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Boris Johnson is neither of those things.
Tweet of the week.
Boris does not come out of this well
Take Back ControlThis is what Sovereignty after Brexit looks like...
Well, if they can suggest a non diplomat like Farage.....
But if this is a harbinger of a Boris premiership I think I’ll remain a member but stop campaigning until we return to sanity.
Although if Boris revokes or goes for a very long transition then I may revise my views.
At which point it would get exciting. The failure to give our man in Washington support for saying in private what everyone says in public may be a big mistake for Boris, and looks wrong to many of his natural sympathisers.
Funnily though, when it was first launched hardly anyone could work out what use it would be or why it would work as a service.
Never mind if not the big major news story of the day.
We need to know what happened behind the scenes.
It looks terrible on TV. Just a ranty, raving old man. Maybe it works on social media as a very short clip.
I don't know his views or his ambitions, but if Kim Darroch wanted to run in Uxbridge as a Martin Bell 'white suit' candidate at the next election, I'd be right behind him.
Thankfully, nothing he can say today will prevent that shitstorm from happening tonight.
And he deserves all he gets from that
Shame that Darroch felt he had to do this. Whoever leaked that info is a wretch.
Cameron was a step up from Brown, perhaps chaos with Ed Miliband would have been the better choice with hindsight long term though. Was tricky to see that in 2015 mind..
It shouldn't have been leaked and we should investigate and punish whoever did it, but our diplomatic corps need to realise leaks are quite probable in the internet age. Shouldn't be, but are. Pandora's Box can't be closed.
I hope all Tory members who are merrily voting for Boris can live with themselves.
Whoever leaked should be in jail but realistically the moment this was published he was doomed. He should have fallen on his sword days ago.
Then they are distributed to lots of people within HMG, one of whom gave them to a "journalist"
He was entitled to confidentiality and support which is evident across the political spectrum today, apart from Boris who comes out of this with a big fail
His first act, before he gets the gig, a major International humiliation.
Get used to it
Wikileaks have gotten their hands on a plethora of diplomatic cables over the past decade. People keep acting like this is unprecedented and it just isn't.
We can only hope that he is No Confidenced in September before too much damage has been done.
Desperate, desperate, desperate.
Liam Fox called it correctly IMO
Darroch didn't have a choice - nothing to do with what Johnson said last night, everything to do with the leaker and the response from the White House.
Darroch knew he couldn't carry on in the role when he was cut off from access from the people he needed to work with in order to do his job. So he had to resign - which he has done, with honour.
The fault lies with who arranged the leaks.
Trump wanted him sacked.
There’s a big difference
If you can't see that we are just giving in to an overgrown baby and bully to boot then you are entirely missing the point. This is a glimpse of our future after Brexit with Johnson playing Trump's poodle. Any trade deal will be what Trump decides it will be and if we argue he'll throw another tantrum
The simple fact is there is a jerk in the White House
But if he refuses to work with our ambassador that’s something we need to adjust to.
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1148911357787627520
“Respect [in parliament] for Boris has taken a real nosedive today”
“Just being a supplicant like this seems to be a Boris attitude”
“Instead of a fresh start with a clean slate in a mood of national confidence, Boris now looks rather tawdry”