Perhaps we should freeze out the US Ambassador following the comments he has made quite publicly about our Prime Minister and the Mayor of London.
If you can't see that we are just giving in to an overgrown baby and bully to boot then you are entirely missing the point. This is a glimpse of our future after Brexit with Johnson playing Trump's poodle. Any trade deal will be what Trump decides it will be and if we argue he'll throw another tantrum
That's what we did in the war with JFK's dad who was replaced as US Ambassador because he forecast Nazi victory.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
I feel like the country is at the end of a human centipede where Trump and Boris form the first two segments. Boris is gobbling shit from Trump's slack old arse and the UK is doing the same to Boris.
I might get some t-shirts made and start selling merch.
I feel like the country is at the end of a human centipede where Trump and Boris form the first two segments. Boris is gobbling shit from Trump's slack old arse and the UK is doing the same to Boris.
I might get some t-shirts made and start selling merch.
Perhaps we should freeze out the US Ambassador following the comments he has made quite publicly about our Prime Minister and the Mayor of London.
If you can't see that we are just giving in to an overgrown baby and bully to boot then you are entirely missing the point. This is a glimpse of our future after Brexit with Johnson playing Trump's poodle. Any trade deal will be what Trump decides it will be and if we argue he'll throw another tantrum
That's what we did in the war with JFK's dad who was replaced as US Ambassador because he forecast Nazi victory.
We are not in a war. At least not yet, but I'm sure when Trump starts throwing the bombs around Boris will be right beside him.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
At some point fairly soon, 150 Tory MPs, 150 Labour MPs and 20 assorted LDs and Independents need to man up and put country before party.
What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.
Hmmm - I had believed he made the decision on the basis of an acceptance of reality and regardless of the views of any of his political masters. It reflects less well on him if he was swayed by BJ's lack of clear support. Resignation was the right course of action regardless of the comments or lack of them of any politicians.
The problem with the way Seamus wants Jezza to approach PMQs is that it is all about raising an issue that will give them a few seconds of vid for campaigning social media.
Never mind if not the big major news story of the day.
Is it a problem?
Big issue of the day he will be able to answer question separately.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Your set response to a fellow conservative who criticise Boris is beyond contempt
It must be quite difficult to get two Es at A Level.
Justin will be along in a mo to tell us how 'ard A-Levels were back in the day and now that is like 3 As.....The fact he went to one of the back state schools in the country of course is irrelevant.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Yes, an experienced politician (and former FS FFS) should have realised that the right thing to do was to back our ambassador in public, even if behind the scenes he is being advised to step down. He also ought to have the foresight to see that if and when the guy is forced to go (as seemed at least a strong possibility as soon as the story broke) it would be better to avoid looking like you are to blame for bringing him down.
What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.
It's all pointing to an Autumn election and a new House of Common being needed.
I've seen little comment on the role that May has had in forcing Darroch's resignation. But as soon as she said that she didn't agree with some of his assessments, she was effectively destroying her faith in him to do the job.
I hope all Tory members who are merrily voting for Boris can live with themselves.
His tenure was ending soon anyway and Trunp had already frozen him out.
Whoever leaked should be in jail but realistically the moment this was published he was doomed. He should have fallen on his sword days ago.
Perhaps we should freeze out the US Ambassador following the comments he has made quite publicly about our Prime Minister and the Mayor of London.
If you can't see that we are just giving in to an overgrown baby and bully to boot then you are entirely missing the point. This is a glimpse of our future after Brexit with Johnson playing Trump's poodle. Any trade deal will be what Trump decides it will be and if we argue he'll throw another tantrum
What has Woody Johnson said negative about May or Khan? Nothing, he has been a model of diplomacy and a savvy ex businessman
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Would it be unreasonable to label you a diehard Johnsonite ?
What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.
New PM's usually arrive in office with a Commons majority and a degree of goodwill.
Boris will have no majority and roughly 1/3 of his MPs actively despise him. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke 🤨☕️
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
I have never said that I would vote LibDem purely because Boris becomes leader. It's crashing us out with No Deal which is my absolute, non-negotiable red line, to which now needs to be added proroguing parliament.
As for whether Boris will be bothered by how I vote - why should he be? I've only met him once and he won't remember.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
It hasn't even started yet and it's already like reading Invitation to a Beheading while doing ketamine.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Would it be unreasonable to label you a diehard Johnsonite ?
What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.
It's all pointing to an Autumn election and a new House of Common being needed.
It's not that easy. Boris Johnson may find himself trapped in a gilded cage.
Surely game was up when Trump chose to freeze him out? An Ambassador who is frozen out is not much of an Ambassador.
It shouldn't have been leaked and we should investigate and punish whoever did it, but our diplomatic corps need to realise leaks are quite probable in the internet age. Shouldn't be, but are. Pandora's Box can't be closed.
Quite. There’s lots to dislike about Boris and I said last night that I thought his comments disloyal, but an ambassador whose confidential thoughts have been exposed is no longer a good ambassador. It would have been very difficult to see how he would have been able to stay in post, no matter the flag waving from some politicians.
Whoever failed to ensure communication between the Ambassador and HMG were not secure and encrypted should also be facing serious questions.
They were secure and encrypted.
Then they are distributed to lots of people within HMG, one of whom gave them to a "journalist"
My headcanon says that GCHQ decrypted them, handed them to the NSA, who gave them to Trump, who gave them to Farage/Boris, who leaked them to the press via Oakeshott...
That's pretty much how we got the Americans into WW1.
Indeed. I actually own a copy of "Codebreakers" by James Wyllie so I should have remembered that, but I didn't. Thank you for the reminder.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.
When they have purged the most sensible people, HY’s name will rise to the top of the list; the stain of having voted Remain cannot be expunged from his record however zealous he tries to be after the event.
Indeed. I actually own a copy of "Codebreakers" by James Wyllie so I should have remembered that, but I didn't. Thank you for the reminder.
I went to the launch of the new 'Top Secret' exhibition (which is about GCHQ) at the Science Museum last night. I strongly recommend it. There are some fascinating exhibits and it is well presented.
Don’t worry; May and Hunt will pick the successor!
Bit like the Dems trying to get that SC vacancy filled before Obama left. I hope they manage it but I doubt they will. I think it will be left for Johnson. I predict somebody suitably rancid who will fit in over there in Trumpton.
The simple fact is there is a jerk in the White House
But if he refuses to work with our ambassador that’s something we need to adjust to.
Do you think we should refuse to work with the US Ambassador after the insults Trump has levelled at the Prime Minister and the Mayor of London or is this just a one way street where we just roll over every time the man-child has a twitter tantrum?
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Your set response to a fellow conservative who criticise Boris is beyond contempt
It’s like he’s modelled his view of how politics works on the house of cards
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Your set response to a fellow conservative who criticise Boris is beyond contempt
It’s like he’s modelled his view of how politics works on the house of cards
It must be a cutthroat world amid the diehard councillors of Epping parish.
It must be quite difficult to get two Es at A Level.
Justin will be along in a mo to tell us how 'ard A-Levels were back in the day and now that is like 3 As.....The fact he went to one of the back state schools in the country of course is irrelevant.
I don't go that far - though it would be comparable to 2 Cs today. Until the system of relative marking was abandoned at the end of the 1980s , 30% of A level students failed to achieve the minimum E grade pass - nowadays that only applies to 2.5%
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
I have never said that I would vote LibDem purely because Boris becomes leader. It's crashing us out with No Deal which is my absolute, non-negotiable red line, to which now needs to be added proroguing parliament.
As for whether Boris will be bothered by how I vote - why should he be? I've only met him once and he won't remember.
Given most Tory voters and Leave voters in every poll prefer No Deal to Revoke on a forced choice by definition that means you are no longer a Tory if you are so adamant against No Deal in all circumstances.
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3 and still wants a Deal with the EU (rempving the temporary Customs Union for GB) but if the Commons refuses to vote for one then No Deal it has to be even if diehard Remainers have a tantrum
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.
No he is not.
It is you who have become indoctrinated by Boris and lost your sense of reason
What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.
It's all pointing to an Autumn election and a new House of Common being needed.
Boris let slip in the debate about the "fortcoming election", which sounds imminent not 2022 imo! So you might get an autumn election but i would not bank on Boris doing any better than May in 2017. I will not vote Tory whilst Boris is leader, the LD will get my vote!
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.
If “LD” has risen to the insult of choice amongst diehard Tories, the party must be making real progress toward breaking the two party system! The Corbynite equivalent is still to call party colleagues a “Tory”.
When they have purged the most sensible people, HY’s name will rise to the top of the list; the stain of having voted Remain cannot be expunged from his record however zealous he tries to be after the event.
Voted Remain? I would not have guessed that, I must say.
2016 Remainer morphs into a 2019 Andrea Jenkyns in trousers - what an intrepid and remarkable journey!
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.
No he is not.
It is you who have become indoctrinated by Boris and lost your sense of reason
Richard Navabi has said in his own words he would vote LD rather than a Tory Party implementing No Deal as a last resort to ensure Brexit as he said below
The simple fact is there is a jerk in the White House
But if he refuses to work with our ambassador that’s something we need to adjust to.
Do you think we should refuse to work with the US Ambassador after the insults Trump has levelled at the Prime Minister and the Mayor of London or is this just a one way street where we just roll over every time the man-child has a twitter tantrum?
If Darroch hadn’t resigned I would have not invited Woody to the fun stuff but carried on working with him.
This sort of stuff has always happened but usually behind closed doors. More diplomatically if you like 😉
What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.
It's all pointing to an Autumn election and a new House of Common being needed.
Boris let slip in the debate about the "fortcoming election", which sounds imminent not 2022 imo! So you might get an autumn election but i would not bank on Boris doing any better than May in 2017. I will not vote Tory whilst Boris is leader, the LD will get my vote!
I’m not sure - he was answering a question about an election and one is always forthcoming. I don’t see Boris has the balls to put his job on the line so soon, and the Tory party is in no fit state to agree on a platform right now.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.
What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.
It's all pointing to an Autumn election and a new House of Common being needed.
Boris let slip in the debate about the "fortcoming election", which sounds imminent not 2022 imo! So you might get an autumn election but i would not bank on Boris doing any better than May in 2017. I will not vote Tory whilst Boris is leader, the LD will get my vote!
I’m not sure - he was answering a question about an election and one is always forthcoming. I don’t see Boris has the balls to put his job on the line so soon, and the Tory party is in no fit state to agree on a platform right now.
Boris will work day and night to avoid a GE. But it may well be out of his hands frankly.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Your set response to a fellow conservative who criticise Boris is beyond contempt
It’s like he’s modelled his view of how politics works on the house of cards
It must be a cutthroat world amid the diehard councillors of Epping parish.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.
If “LD” has risen to the insult of choice amongst diehard Tories, the party must be making real progress toward breaking the two party system! The Corbynite equivalent is still to call party colleagues a “Tory”.
It is only Hyufd who has taken to labelling his fellow conservatives LD if they do not agree with his great hero Boris. He has also adopted a 'diehard' tag to remainers
He has become an extreme ERG disiciple influenced by another hero of his IDS
Perhaps we should freeze out the US Ambassador following the comments he has made quite publicly about our Prime Minister and the Mayor of London.
If you can't see that we are just giving in to an overgrown baby and bully to boot then you are entirely missing the point. This is a glimpse of our future after Brexit with Johnson playing Trump's poodle. Any trade deal will be what Trump decides it will be and if we argue he'll throw another tantrum
That's what we did in the war with JFK's dad who was replaced as US Ambassador because he forecast Nazi victory.
According to Wiki:- " Kennedy served as the United States Ambassador to the United Kingdom from 1938 until late 1940, when he annoyed Roosevelt by his pessimism about Britain's survival. During the Battle of Britain in November 1940, Kennedy publicly suggested that "Democracy is finished in England. It may be here [in the United States]".[2] Following this controversy, Kennedy resigned his position"
There are key differences - Kennedy made his remarks publicly not privately to his own government and it sounds as though the pressure to quit came mainly from Roosevelt not the UK. In any event I think a war-time situation is significantly different.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.
A prospective candidate should not be spending their time trying to chase voters away from the party
Richard Navabi has already said he will vote LD if Boris does No Deal as a last resort to.implement Brexit, I did not open the way to leaving the party, he did
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.
If “LD” has risen to the insult of choice amongst diehard Tories, the party must be making real progress toward breaking the two party system! The Corbynite equivalent is still to call party colleagues a “Tory”.
It is only Hyufd who has taken to labelling his fellow conservatives LD if they do not agree with his great hero Boris. He has also adopted a 'diehard' tag to remainers
He has become an extreme ERG disiciple influenced by another hero of his IDS
Not atypical. HYUFD is a telling barometer of the way the Conservative party is going.
It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
Your set response to a fellow conservative who criticise Boris is beyond contempt
It’s like he’s modelled his view of how politics works on the house of cards
It must be a cutthroat world amid the diehard councillors of Epping parish.
😂
When the stakes are small...
It is the grassroots imcluding me who campaign and canvass day in and day out and weekends in all weathers for the party and they now want a leader they believe in ie Boris.
So be as patronising as you want Charles but without the grassroots the party would be nothing and nobody would get elected anyway
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Once Darroch's words were leaked his position was untennable. Boris knew this (Hunt knew this too but wanted to play games at Boris's expense)
The real story here is who leaked and why? Will we ever know...
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
I might get some t-shirts made and start selling merch.
Does Team Hunt really think any of this will actually make any difference to Boris becoming Con leader and PM two weeks today?
Big issue of the day he will be able to answer question separately.
Buses or social media clip he can do in PMQ
No one normal cares what is talked about at PMQ
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7232263/Angela-Merkel-shakes-time-month-stands-alongside-Finlands-PM.html
As for whether Boris will be bothered by how I vote - why should he be? I've only met him once and he won't remember.
Alastair Burt, another FO minister, saying similar things in more measured tones on BBC
Darroch wasn’t sacked.
Boris doesn’t come out of this well though (although it doesn’t change my view of him)
https://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/see-and-do/top-secret
Of course he was sacked
Richard Tice?
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3 and still wants a Deal with the EU (rempving the temporary Customs Union for GB) but if the Commons refuses to vote for one then No Deal it has to be even if diehard Remainers have a tantrum
It is you who have become indoctrinated by Boris and lost your sense of reason
He was smart enough to realise that.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him recognised in the honours list in January. Plus some sinecures somewhere over the next 12 months
2016 Remainer morphs into a 2019 Andrea Jenkyns in trousers - what an intrepid and remarkable journey!
This sort of stuff has always happened but usually behind closed doors. More diplomatically if you like 😉
Trump is the first to play it out on Twitter
Why would anyone (FO official/Spad etc) take such a risk?
There must have been a mighty reward involved or some overbearing reason.
A prospective candidate should not be spending their time trying to chase voters away from the party
When the stakes are small...
Some good observations here the last few days..
He has become an extreme ERG disiciple influenced by another hero of his IDS
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Kennedy served as the United States Ambassador to the United Kingdom from 1938 until late 1940, when he annoyed Roosevelt by his pessimism about Britain's survival. During the Battle of Britain in November 1940, Kennedy publicly suggested that "Democracy is finished in England. It may be here [in the United States]".[2] Following this controversy, Kennedy resigned his position"
There are key differences - Kennedy made his remarks publicly not privately to his own government and it sounds as though the pressure to quit came mainly from Roosevelt not the UK. In any event I think a war-time situation is significantly different.
But it would be nicer if you would let us pick?
I think the leaderships settled - it's what happens next that really matters and this is not doing Johnson any favours.
So be as patronising as you want Charles but without the grassroots the party would be nothing and nobody would get elected anyway