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Indeed.AndyJS said:
The problem isn't Kim Darroch or Boris Johnson, the problem is the person who leaked the information.Scott_P said:
Once Darroch's words were leaked his position was untennable. Boris knew this (Hunt knew this too but wanted to play games at Boris's expense)
The real story here is who leaked and why? Will we ever know...0 -
That's what we did in the war with JFK's dad who was replaced as US Ambassador because he forecast Nazi victory.OllyT said:
Perhaps we should freeze out the US Ambassador following the comments he has made quite publicly about our Prime Minister and the Mayor of London.
If you can't see that we are just giving in to an overgrown baby and bully to boot then you are entirely missing the point. This is a glimpse of our future after Brexit with Johnson playing Trump's poodle. Any trade deal will be what Trump decides it will be and if we argue he'll throw another tantrum0 -
India 71 for 5.0
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It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.0 -
I feel like the country is at the end of a human centipede where Trump and Boris form the first two segments. Boris is gobbling shit from Trump's slack old arse and the UK is doing the same to Boris.
I might get some t-shirts made and start selling merch.0 -
I’m still struggling to see a positive use for itrottenborough said:0 -
Shut up and take my money.Dura_Ace said:I feel like the country is at the end of a human centipede where Trump and Boris form the first two segments. Boris is gobbling shit from Trump's slack old arse and the UK is doing the same to Boris.
I might get some t-shirts made and start selling merch.1 -
Hunky Dunky is playing to the gallary as usual.IanB2 said:Alan Duncan on BBCPL now - “angry with Johnson”
“Respect [in parliament] for Boris has taken a real nosedive today”
Does Team Hunt really think any of this will actually make any difference to Boris becoming Con leader and PM two weeks today?0 -
India......skidding !0
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We are not in a war. At least not yet, but I'm sure when Trump starts throwing the bombs around Boris will be right beside him.DecrepitJohnL said:
That's what we did in the war with JFK's dad who was replaced as US Ambassador because he forecast Nazi victory.OllyT said:
Perhaps we should freeze out the US Ambassador following the comments he has made quite publicly about our Prime Minister and the Mayor of London.
If you can't see that we are just giving in to an overgrown baby and bully to boot then you are entirely missing the point. This is a glimpse of our future after Brexit with Johnson playing Trump's poodle. Any trade deal will be what Trump decides it will be and if we argue he'll throw another tantrum
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Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.0 -
Because he is as thick as mince....rottenborough said:0 -
Pant's down! 71/50
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Right decision by Darroch and Boris can ensure the right successor is appointed0
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Foul Mouthed Dunt strikes again!rottenborough said:
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Will the First Division union take some action?0
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At some point fairly soon, 150 Tory MPs, 150 Labour MPs and 20 assorted LDs and Independents need to man up and put country before party.Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.1 -
It must be quite difficult to get two Es at A Level.FrancisUrquhart said:
Because he is as thick as mince....rottenborough said:0 -
What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.0
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Don’t worry; May and Hunt will pick the successor!HYUFD said:Right decision by Darroch and Boris can ensure the right successor is appointed
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Hmmm - I had believed he made the decision on the basis of an acceptance of reality and regardless of the views of any of his political masters. It reflects less well on him if he was swayed by BJ's lack of clear support. Resignation was the right course of action regardless of the comments or lack of them of any politicians.SouthamObserver said:0 -
Is it a problem?rottenborough said:The problem with the way Seamus wants Jezza to approach PMQs is that it is all about raising an issue that will give them a few seconds of vid for campaigning social media.
Never mind if not the big major news story of the day.
Big issue of the day he will be able to answer question separately.
Buses or social media clip he can do in PMQ
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No, of course, not. But Blobby must know the consequences of his Trump ar**licking !GIN1138 said:
Hunky Dunky is playing to the gallary as usual.IanB2 said:Alan Duncan on BBCPL now - “angry with Johnson”
“Respect [in parliament] for Boris has taken a real nosedive today”
Does Team Hunt actually think any of this will actually make any difference to Boris becoming Con leader and PM two weeks today?0 -
Dehydration my arse...there is clearly something very wrong with Mutti.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7232263/Angela-Merkel-shakes-time-month-stands-alongside-Finlands-PM.html0 -
Your set response to a fellow conservative who criticise Boris is beyond contemptHYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.1 -
Alan Duncan is a key Hunt backer and has always been anti BorisIanB2 said:Alan Duncan on BBCPL now - “angry with Johnson”
“Respect [in parliament] for Boris has taken a real nosedive today”
“Just being a supplicant like this seems to be a Boris attitude”
“Instead of a fresh start with a clean slate in a mood of national confidence, Boris now looks rather tawdry”0 -
Justin will be along in a mo to tell us how 'ard A-Levels were back in the day and now that is like 3 As.....The fact he went to one of the back state schools in the country of course is irrelevant.AndyJS said:
It must be quite difficult to get two Es at A Level.FrancisUrquhart said:
Because he is as thick as mince....rottenborough said:1 -
Yes, an experienced politician (and former FS FFS) should have realised that the right thing to do was to back our ambassador in public, even if behind the scenes he is being advised to step down. He also ought to have the foresight to see that if and when the guy is forced to go (as seemed at least a strong possibility as soon as the story broke) it would be better to avoid looking like you are to blame for bringing him down.Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.1 -
It's all pointing to an Autumn election and a new House of Common being needed.AlastairMeeks said:What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.
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I've seen little comment on the role that May has had in forcing Darroch's resignation. But as soon as she said that she didn't agree with some of his assessments, she was effectively destroying her faith in him to do the job.0
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One hopes that these sources are not civil servants failing to display impartiality!Scott_P said:0 -
Why do her doctors and advisers keep allowing her to stand outside in the summer heat for these ceremonies.FrancisUrquhart said:Dehydration my arse...there is clearly something very wrong with Mutti.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7232263/Angela-Merkel-shakes-time-month-stands-alongside-Finlands-PM.html0 -
What has Woody Johnson said negative about May or Khan? Nothing, he has been a model of diplomacy and a savvy ex businessmanOllyT said:
Perhaps we should freeze out the US Ambassador following the comments he has made quite publicly about our Prime Minister and the Mayor of London.Philip_Thompson said:
His tenure was ending soon anyway and Trunp had already frozen him out.rottenborough said:
This is an absolute disgrace.Scott_P said:
I hope all Tory members who are merrily voting for Boris can live with themselves.
Whoever leaked should be in jail but realistically the moment this was published he was doomed. He should have fallen on his sword days ago.
If you can't see that we are just giving in to an overgrown baby and bully to boot then you are entirely missing the point. This is a glimpse of our future after Brexit with Johnson playing Trump's poodle. Any trade deal will be what Trump decides it will be and if we argue he'll throw another tantrum0 -
Would it be unreasonable to label you a diehard Johnsonite ?HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.0 -
We had better get used to the taste of chemical chicken and rubbery cheese...0
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AlastairMeeks said:
What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.
New PM's usually arrive in office with a Commons majority and a degree of goodwill.
— General Boles (@GeneralBoles) July 10, 2019
Boris will have no majority and roughly 1/3 of his MPs actively despise him. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke 🤨☕️0 -
A quick trade deal can only mean one thing: TOTAL SURRENDER. I was not aware that is what "take back control" meant.williamglenn said:Is Tice after the job?
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I have never said that I would vote LibDem purely because Boris becomes leader. It's crashing us out with No Deal which is my absolute, non-negotiable red line, to which now needs to be added proroguing parliament.HYUFD said:Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
As for whether Boris will be bothered by how I vote - why should he be? I've only met him once and he won't remember.1 -
It hasn't even started yet and it's already like reading Invitation to a Beheading while doing ketamine.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.0 -
Dazzled by the fake MessiahNigelb said:
Would it be unreasonable to label you a diehard Johnsonite ?HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.0 -
It's not that easy. Boris Johnson may find himself trapped in a gilded cage.GIN1138 said:
It's all pointing to an Autumn election and a new House of Common being needed.AlastairMeeks said:What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.
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You aren't forced to buy either and rubbery cheese has been a staple in UK supermarkets for decades.IanB2 said:We had better get used to the taste of chemical chicken and rubbery cheese...
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India last 5 overs: 7/1. Ouch !0
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Trade deals are also not negotiated by ambassadors.surbiton19 said:
A quick trade deal can only mean one thing: TOTAL SURRENDER. I was not aware that is what "take back control" meant.williamglenn said:Is Tice after the job?
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Why does anyone give a damn what any of us think?oxfordsimon said:
Why does anyone give a damn what she thinks on any subject?Scott_P said:0 -
Quite. There’s lots to dislike about Boris and I said last night that I thought his comments disloyal, but an ambassador whose confidential thoughts have been exposed is no longer a good ambassador. It would have been very difficult to see how he would have been able to stay in post, no matter the flag waving from some politicians.Philip_Thompson said:
Surely game was up when Trump chose to freeze him out? An Ambassador who is frozen out is not much of an Ambassador.SouthamObserver said:
It shouldn't have been leaked and we should investigate and punish whoever did it, but our diplomatic corps need to realise leaks are quite probable in the internet age. Shouldn't be, but are. Pandora's Box can't be closed.
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Indeed. I actually own a copy of "Codebreakers" by James Wyllie so I should have remembered that, but I didn't. Thank you for the reminder.Dura_Ace said:
That's pretty much how we got the Americans into WW1.viewcode said:
My headcanon says that GCHQ decrypted them, handed them to the NSA, who gave them to Trump, who gave them to Farage/Boris, who leaked them to the press via Oakeshott...Scott_P said:
They were secure and encrypted.not_on_fire said:Whoever failed to ensure communication between the Ambassador and HMG were not secure and encrypted should also be facing serious questions.
Then they are distributed to lots of people within HMG, one of whom gave them to a "journalist"
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Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
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Funny that so many people who worked for or with Boris end up feeling like that.HYUFD said:
Alan Duncan is a key Hunt backer and has always been anti BorisIanB2 said:Alan Duncan on BBCPL now - “angry with Johnson”
“Respect [in parliament] for Boris has taken a real nosedive today”
“Just being a supplicant like this seems to be a Boris attitude”
“Instead of a fresh start with a clean slate in a mood of national confidence, Boris now looks rather tawdry”
Alastair Burt, another FO minister, saying similar things in more measured tones on BBC0 -
Sacking would have been prostratingSouthamObserver said:
Darroch wasn’t sacked.
Boris doesn’t come out of this well though (although it doesn’t change my view of him)1 -
When they have purged the most sensible people, HY’s name will rise to the top of the list; the stain of having voted Remain cannot be expunged from his record however zealous he tries to be after the event.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.1 -
I went to the launch of the new 'Top Secret' exhibition (which is about GCHQ) at the Science Museum last night. I strongly recommend it. There are some fascinating exhibits and it is well presented.viewcode said:Indeed. I actually own a copy of "Codebreakers" by James Wyllie so I should have remembered that, but I didn't. Thank you for the reminder.
https://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/see-and-do/top-secret
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Bit like the Dems trying to get that SC vacancy filled before Obama left. I hope they manage it but I doubt they will. I think it will be left for Johnson. I predict somebody suitably rancid who will fit in over there in Trumpton.Gallowgate said:Don’t worry; May and Hunt will pick the successor!
Richard Tice?0 -
Do you think we should refuse to work with the US Ambassador after the insults Trump has levelled at the Prime Minister and the Mayor of London or is this just a one way street where we just roll over every time the man-child has a twitter tantrum?Charles said:
It really isn’t a humiliationScott_P said:
The simple fact is there is a jerk in the White House
But if he refuses to work with our ambassador that’s something we need to adjust to.0 -
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
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I hope so. Surely they will be charged with something - under the Official Secrets Act?GIN1138 said:
Indeed.AndyJS said:
The problem isn't Kim Darroch or Boris Johnson, the problem is the person who leaked the information.Scott_P said:
Once Darroch's words were leaked his position was untennable. Boris knew this (Hunt knew this too but wanted to play games at Boris's expense)
The real story here is who leaked and why? Will we ever know...0 -
It’s like he’s modelled his view of how politics works on the house of cardsBig_G_NorthWales said:
Your set response to a fellow conservative who criticise Boris is beyond contemptHYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.0 -
The weather conditions are perfect for New Zealand and their style of cricket.surbiton19 said:India last 5 overs: 7/1. Ouch !
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It must be a cutthroat world amid the diehard councillors of Epping parish.Charles said:
It’s like he’s modelled his view of how politics works on the house of cardsBig_G_NorthWales said:
Your set response to a fellow conservative who criticise Boris is beyond contemptHYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.1 -
Which Tory leadership candidates would you classify as Lib Dems on the same basis? Michael Gove?HYUFD said:Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.
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Then clearly you weren't concentrating on who was saying it. And paying for it.surbiton19 said:
A quick trade deal can only mean one thing: TOTAL SURRENDER. I was not aware that is what "take back control" meant.williamglenn said:Is Tice after the job?
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I don't go that far - though it would be comparable to 2 Cs today. Until the system of relative marking was abandoned at the end of the 1980s , 30% of A level students failed to achieve the minimum E grade pass - nowadays that only applies to 2.5%FrancisUrquhart said:
Justin will be along in a mo to tell us how 'ard A-Levels were back in the day and now that is like 3 As.....The fact he went to one of the back state schools in the country of course is irrelevant.AndyJS said:
It must be quite difficult to get two Es at A Level.FrancisUrquhart said:
Because he is as thick as mince....rottenborough said:0 -
He was sacked by TrumpFrancisUrquhart said:So we should blame May?
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Given most Tory voters and Leave voters in every poll prefer No Deal to Revoke on a forced choice by definition that means you are no longer a Tory if you are so adamant against No Deal in all circumstances.Richard_Nabavi said:
I have never said that I would vote LibDem purely because Boris becomes leader. It's crashing us out with No Deal which is my absolute, non-negotiable red line, to which now needs to be added proroguing parliament.HYUFD said:Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?
As for whether Boris will be bothered by how I vote - why should he be? I've only met him once and he won't remember.
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They're the opposite to England, great on tricky wickets and terrible on roads.AndyJS said:
The weather conditions are perfect for New Zealand and their style of cricket.surbiton19 said:India last 5 overs: 7/1. Ouch !
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No he is not.HYUFD said:
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
It is you who have become indoctrinated by Boris and lost your sense of reason0 -
Rory Stewart certainly and Dominic Grieve and Philip Lee and Justine Greening too on the backbencheswilliamglenn said:
Which Tory leadership candidates would you classify as Lib Dems on the same basis? Michael Gove?HYUFD said:Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.
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Olly Robbins.Gallowgate said:
Don’t worry; May and Hunt will pick the successor!HYUFD said:Right decision by Darroch and Boris can ensure the right successor is appointed
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Boris let slip in the debate about the "fortcoming election", which sounds imminent not 2022 imo! So you might get an autumn election but i would not bank on Boris doing any better than May in 2017. I will not vote Tory whilst Boris is leader, the LD will get my vote!GIN1138 said:
It's all pointing to an Autumn election and a new House of Common being needed.AlastairMeeks said:What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.
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No, he wasn’t. His position was untenable since the first moment that Trump made an issue of the leaks.Scott_P said:
Is that pinhead big enough for you?Charles said:Sacking would have been prostrating
Darroch wasn’t sacked.
Of course he was sacked
He was smart enough to realise that.
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If “LD” has risen to the insult of choice amongst diehard Tories, the party must be making real progress toward breaking the two party system! The Corbynite equivalent is still to call party colleagues a “Tory”.HYUFD said:
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.0 -
Voted Remain? I would not have guessed that, I must say.IanB2 said:When they have purged the most sensible people, HY’s name will rise to the top of the list; the stain of having voted Remain cannot be expunged from his record however zealous he tries to be after the event.
2016 Remainer morphs into a 2019 Andrea Jenkyns in trousers - what an intrepid and remarkable journey!0 -
Richard Navabi has said in his own words he would vote LD rather than a Tory Party implementing No Deal as a last resort to ensure Brexit as he said belowBig_G_NorthWales said:
No he is not.HYUFD said:
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
It is you who have become indoctrinated by Boris and lost your sense of reason0 -
If Darroch hadn’t resigned I would have not invited Woody to the fun stuff but carried on working with him.OllyT said:
Do you think we should refuse to work with the US Ambassador after the insults Trump has levelled at the Prime Minister and the Mayor of London or is this just a one way street where we just roll over every time the man-child has a twitter tantrum?Charles said:
It really isn’t a humiliationScott_P said:
The simple fact is there is a jerk in the White House
But if he refuses to work with our ambassador that’s something we need to adjust to.
This sort of stuff has always happened but usually behind closed doors. More diplomatically if you like 😉
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I’m not sure - he was answering a question about an election and one is always forthcoming. I don’t see Boris has the balls to put his job on the line so soon, and the Tory party is in no fit state to agree on a platform right now.The_Taxman said:
Boris let slip in the debate about the "fortcoming election", which sounds imminent not 2022 imo! So you might get an autumn election but i would not bank on Boris doing any better than May in 2017. I will not vote Tory whilst Boris is leader, the LD will get my vote!GIN1138 said:
It's all pointing to an Autumn election and a new House of Common being needed.AlastairMeeks said:What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.
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The penalty for leaking the cables of a US ambassador will be very steep, I am assuming. They are looking at prison surely?Charles said:
No, he wasn’t. His position was untenable since the first moment that Trump made an issue of the leaks.Scott_P said:
Is that pinhead big enough for you?Charles said:Sacking would have been prostrating
Darroch wasn’t sacked.
Of course he was sacked
He was smart enough to realise that.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him recognised in the honours list in January. Plus some sinecures somewhere over the next 12 months
Why would anyone (FO official/Spad etc) take such a risk?
There must have been a mighty reward involved or some overbearing reason.
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That would be fantastic.El_Capitano said:
Olly Robbins.Gallowgate said:
Don’t worry; May and Hunt will pick the successor!HYUFD said:Right decision by Darroch and Boris can ensure the right successor is appointed
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Stop this BS @HYUFDHYUFD said:
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
A prospective candidate should not be spending their time trying to chase voters away from the party1 -
Boris will work day and night to avoid a GE. But it may well be out of his hands frankly.IanB2 said:
I’m not sure - he was answering a question about an election and one is always forthcoming. I don’t see Boris has the balls to put his job on the line so soon, and the Tory party is in no fit state to agree on a platform right now.The_Taxman said:
Boris let slip in the debate about the "fortcoming election", which sounds imminent not 2022 imo! So you might get an autumn election but i would not bank on Boris doing any better than May in 2017. I will not vote Tory whilst Boris is leader, the LD will get my vote!GIN1138 said:
It's all pointing to an Autumn election and a new House of Common being needed.AlastairMeeks said:What's striking is just how many Conservatives are being forthright in their criticism of Boris Johnson on this. If he can't command loyalty now, he's going to find that he has volunteered to lie down on a bed of nails.
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😂IanB2 said:
It must be a cutthroat world amid the diehard councillors of Epping parish.Charles said:
It’s like he’s modelled his view of how politics works on the house of cardsBig_G_NorthWales said:
Your set response to a fellow conservative who criticise Boris is beyond contemptHYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
When the stakes are small...0 -
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It is only Hyufd who has taken to labelling his fellow conservatives LD if they do not agree with his great hero Boris. He has also adopted a 'diehard' tag to remainersIanB2 said:
If “LD” has risen to the insult of choice amongst diehard Tories, the party must be making real progress toward breaking the two party system! The Corbynite equivalent is still to call party colleagues a “Tory”.HYUFD said:
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
He has become an extreme ERG disiciple influenced by another hero of his IDS0 -
According to Wiki:-DecrepitJohnL said:
That's what we did in the war with JFK's dad who was replaced as US Ambassador because he forecast Nazi victory.OllyT said:
Perhaps we should freeze out the US Ambassador following the comments he has made quite publicly about our Prime Minister and the Mayor of London.
If you can't see that we are just giving in to an overgrown baby and bully to boot then you are entirely missing the point. This is a glimpse of our future after Brexit with Johnson playing Trump's poodle. Any trade deal will be what Trump decides it will be and if we argue he'll throw another tantrum
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Kennedy served as the United States Ambassador to the United Kingdom from 1938 until late 1940, when he annoyed Roosevelt by his pessimism about Britain's survival. During the Battle of Britain in November 1940, Kennedy publicly suggested that "Democracy is finished in England. It may be here [in the United States]".[2] Following this controversy, Kennedy resigned his position"
There are key differences - Kennedy made his remarks publicly not privately to his own government and it sounds as though the pressure to quit came mainly from Roosevelt not the UK. In any event I think a war-time situation is significantly different.0 -
I would happily take all of those, although Dominic might struggle in the LibDems.HYUFD said:
Rory Stewart certainly and Dominic Grieve and Philip Lee and Justine Greening too on the backbencheswilliamglenn said:
Which Tory leadership candidates would you classify as Lib Dems on the same basis? Michael Gove?HYUFD said:Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.
But it would be nicer if you would let us pick?0 -
+ 100 x 100Charles said:
Stop this BS @HYUFDHYUFD said:
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
A prospective candidate should not be spending their time trying to chase voters away from the party0 -
Richard Navabi has already said he will vote LD if Boris does No Deal as a last resort to.implement Brexit, I did not open the way to leaving the party, he didCharles said:
Stop this BS @HYUFDHYUFD said:
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
A prospective candidate should not be spending their time trying to chase voters away from the party0 -
GIN1138 said:
Hunky Dunky is playing to the gallary as usual.IanB2 said:Alan Duncan on BBCPL now - “angry with Johnson”
“Respect [in parliament] for Boris has taken a real nosedive today”
Does Team Hunt really think any of this will actually make any difference to Boris becoming Con leader and PM two weeks today?
I think the leaderships settled - it's what happens next that really matters and this is not doing Johnson any favours.0 -
This is what the left have become. Scrawling weird connections walls like psychopaths. Cadwalladr has a lot to answer for.williamglenn said:1 -
Not atypical. HYUFD is a telling barometer of the way the Conservative party is going.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is only Hyufd who has taken to labelling his fellow conservatives LD if they do not agree with his great hero Boris. He has also adopted a 'diehard' tag to remainersIanB2 said:
If “LD” has risen to the insult of choice amongst diehard Tories, the party must be making real progress toward breaking the two party system! The Corbynite equivalent is still to call party colleagues a “Tory”.HYUFD said:
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
He has become an extreme ERG disiciple influenced by another hero of his IDS0 -
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