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BREAK: Darroch resigns. I thought he’d have to go. Position untenable if totally frozen out of White House pic.twitter.com/inx3oz1h55
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Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.
Boris Johnson is neither of those things.1 -
Will May appoint a new ambassador?0
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Can we bet on the next ambassador?0
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At least one person in all this still has class.1
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As the Slovenian PM said: you'll find it is very cold outside the EU.0
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It means a proper process toward a new permanent appointment can be made before Bozo gets to slip in a crony.0
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A wise decision by Darroch. He is entirely blameless in this matter but his position was untenable and unlike so many commentators has the intelligence to recognise the need to resign. Hunt comes well out of this - Boris rather less so.0
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He most certainly is honourable and his resignation is very regretfulTheScreamingEagles said:Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.
Boris Johnson is neither of those things.
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Presumably, Johnson will consult closely with Trump to ensure that the next ambassador meets with his approval.0
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Will you vote for a Conservative party led by him?TheScreamingEagles said:Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.
Boris Johnson is neither of those things.
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Worked for JFK...rottenborough said:0 -
Take Back Control
This is what Sovereignty after Brexit looks like...0 -
We must sincerely hope not. Ideally May should make the call herself - it would be a very good test of how he wishes to proceed.SouthamObserver said:Presumably, Johnson will consult closely with Trump to ensure that the next ambassador meets with his approval.
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Waiting for Trump's next round of Tweets.
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Damn, just written that then realised I wasn't signed in.Scott_P said:
Well, if they can suggest a non diplomat like Farage.....0 -
Well I’m fortunate I live in a Lib Dem/Labour marginal so not an issue for me.SouthamObserver said:
Will you vote for a Conservative party led by him?TheScreamingEagles said:Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.
Boris Johnson is neither of those things.
But if this is a harbinger of a Boris premiership I think I’ll remain a member but stop campaigning until we return to sanity.
Although if Boris revokes or goes for a very long transition then I may revise my views.0 -
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Farage it is, then.Scott_P said:0 -
Me...
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I wonder is all this increases the chances of enough MPs indicating they would not have confidence in Boris that it will prevent TM advising HM the Queen that he should be invited to form a government.
At which point it would get exciting. The failure to give our man in Washington support for saying in private what everyone says in public may be a big mistake for Boris, and looks wrong to many of his natural sympathisers.1 -
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The problem with the way Seamus wants Jezza to approach PMQs is that it is all about raising an issue that will give them a few seconds of vid for campaigning social media.
Never mind if not the big major news story of the day.0 -
I am genuinely sorry this has happened to the Conservative party - on a personal level for good people - with whom I completely disagree - such as you, Richard N, Mr G, etc - but, more importantly, for the country.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well I’m fortunate I live in a Lib Dem/Labour marginal so not an issue for me.SouthamObserver said:
Will you vote for a Conservative party led by him?TheScreamingEagles said:Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.
Boris Johnson is neither of those things.
But if this is a harbinger of a Boris premiership I think I’ll remain a member but stop campaigning until we return to sanity.
Although if Boris revokes or goes for a very long transition then I may revise my views.
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I think it is absolutely essential that the person responsible for the leak is identified. If that means prosecuting journalists, fine.0
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Was Hunt involved in this decision? He is the Foreign Office minister.
We need to know what happened behind the scenes.0 -
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See what I mean, Jezza now shouting and ranting about 'go home' vans.
It looks terrible on TV. Just a ranty, raving old man. Maybe it works on social media as a very short clip.0 -
TM really on good form and we are about to replace her with Boris !!!!!
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Ugh. Inevitable but it feels the chaos of Trump and of Brexit has consumed us now.
I don't know his views or his ambitions, but if Kim Darroch wanted to run in Uxbridge as a Martin Bell 'white suit' candidate at the next election, I'd be right behind him.2 -
It was a typical performance from Allotment Man. He is trying to get some clips out to deflect attention from what is going to hit the Labour Party tonight.rottenborough said:See what I mean, Jezza now shouting and ranting about 'go home' vans.
It looks terrible on TV. Just a ranty, raving old man. Maybe it works on social media as a very short clip.
Thankfully, nothing he can say today will prevent that shitstorm from happening tonight.
And he deserves all he gets from that0 -
The problem with Twitter is that it doesn't give people time to cool off. When people used to write letters, they'd often write angry messages and rip them up later on before actually posting them.rottenborough said:0 -
Boris's premiership will quickly make us yearn for Theresa May, in a similar way to how Corbyn's leadership of Labour makes the Ed Milliband's tenure look like a golden era of competence and achievement.2
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I suspect that's exactly right - although the Johnson era may be a short lived one.not_on_fire said:Boris's premiership will quickly make us yearn for Theresa May, in a similar way to how Corbyn's leadership of Labour makes the Ed Milliband's tenure look like a golden era of competence and achievement.
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Good afternoon, everyone.
Shame that Darroch felt he had to do this. Whoever leaked that info is a wretch.0 -
Is Blackford capable of asking a question? Seems to me that he just likes to rant.0
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Odd, but I was thinking about that very thing last night. I didn't have the identity of the suit-filler, but your idea could be a cracker...tpfkar said:Ugh. Inevitable but it feels the chaos of Trump and of Brexit has consumed us now.
I don't know his views or his ambitions, but if Kim Darroch wanted to run in Uxbridge as a Martin Bell 'white suit' candidate at the next election, I'd be right behind him.0 -
As our realtions with the US falter, it's just as well we have the backing of the EU.Scott_P said:0 -
If that's the case, it'll look like halycon days compared to the Corbyn era.tpfkar said:
I suspect that's exactly right - although the Johnson era may be a short lived one.not_on_fire said:Boris's premiership will quickly make us yearn for Theresa May, in a similar way to how Corbyn's leadership of Labour makes the Ed Milliband's tenure look like a golden era of competence and achievement.
Cameron was a step up from Brown, perhaps chaos with Ed Miliband would have been the better choice with hindsight long term though. Was tricky to see that in 2015 mind..0 -
Surely game was up when Trump chose to freeze him out? An Ambassador who is frozen out is not much of an Ambassador.SouthamObserver said:
It shouldn't have been leaked and we should investigate and punish whoever did it, but our diplomatic corps need to realise leaks are quite probable in the internet age. Shouldn't be, but are. Pandora's Box can't be closed.0 -
This is an absolute disgrace.Scott_P said:
I hope all Tory members who are merrily voting for Boris can live with themselves.0 -
What is it with Boris and buses?Scott_P said:0 -
Whoever failed to ensure communication between the Ambassador and HMG were not secure and encrypted should also be facing serious questions.Philip_Thompson said:
Surely game was up when Trump chose to freeze him out? An Ambassador who is frozen out is not much of an Ambassador.SouthamObserver said:
It shouldn't have been leaked and we should investigate and punish whoever did it, but our diplomatic corps need to realise leaks are quite probable in the internet age. Shouldn't be, but are. Pandora's Box can't be closed.0 -
I voted neither and have no regrets. Indeed I think TM should carry onrottenborough said:
This is an absolute disgrace.Scott_P said:
I hope all Tory members who are merrily voting for Boris can live with themselves.0 -
His tenure was ending soon anyway and Trunp had already frozen him out.rottenborough said:
This is an absolute disgrace.Scott_P said:
I hope all Tory members who are merrily voting for Boris can live with themselves.
Whoever leaked should be in jail but realistically the moment this was published he was doomed. He should have fallen on his sword days ago.0 -
They were secure and encrypted.not_on_fire said:Whoever failed to ensure communication between the Ambassador and HMG were not secure and encrypted should also be facing serious questions.
Then they are distributed to lots of people within HMG, one of whom gave them to a "journalist"0 -
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Not at all.Philip_Thompson said:
His tenure was ending soon anyway and Trunp had already frozen him out.rottenborough said:
This is an absolute disgrace.Scott_P said:
I hope all Tory members who are merrily voting for Boris can live with themselves.
Whoever leaked should be in jail but realistically the moment this was published he was doomed. He should have fallen on his sword days ago.
He was entitled to confidentiality and support which is evident across the political spectrum today, apart from Boris who comes out of this with a big fail0 -
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1148917749017710592
His first act, before he gets the gig, a major International humiliation.
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Indeed though in 2019 is such encryption even possible?not_on_fire said:
Whoever failed to ensure communication between the Ambassador and HMG were not secure and encrypted should also be facing serious questions.Philip_Thompson said:
Surely game was up when Trump chose to freeze him out? An Ambassador who is frozen out is not much of an Ambassador.SouthamObserver said:
It shouldn't have been leaked and we should investigate and punish whoever did it, but our diplomatic corps need to realise leaks are quite probable in the internet age. Shouldn't be, but are. Pandora's Box can't be closed.
Wikileaks have gotten their hands on a plethora of diplomatic cables over the past decade. People keep acting like this is unprecedented and it just isn't.0 -
Next up: Putin doesn't like our ambassador in Moscow?0
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Older readers will remember Boris did the same with the Met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair when he first became mayor.Scott_P said:0 -
I can't imagine too many people have access to such emails. Shouldn't be too difficult to find the culprit.Scott_P said:
They were secure and encrypted.not_on_fire said:Whoever failed to ensure communication between the Ambassador and HMG were not secure and encrypted should also be facing serious questions.
Then they are distributed to lots of people within HMG, one of whom gave them to a "journalist"0 -
My headcanon says that GCHQ decrypted them, handed them to the NSA, who gave them to Trump, who gave them to Farage/Boris, who leaked them to the press via Oakeshott...Scott_P said:
They were secure and encrypted.not_on_fire said:Whoever failed to ensure communication between the Ambassador and HMG were not secure and encrypted should also be facing serious questions.
Then they are distributed to lots of people within HMG, one of whom gave them to a "journalist"
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It is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1148917749017710592
His first act, before he gets the gig, a major International humiliation.
Get used to it
We can only hope that he is No Confidenced in September before too much damage has been done.0 -
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What a fantastic idea particularly if all the other parties would stand downtpfkar said:Ugh. Inevitable but it feels the chaos of Trump and of Brexit has consumed us now.
I don't know his views or his ambitions, but if Kim Darroch wanted to run in Uxbridge as a Martin Bell 'white suit' candidate at the next election, I'd be right behind him.0 -
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There's going to have to be a general election very soon if people like Sir Alan Duncan are not fully behind Boris Johnson's new government.Scott_P said:0 -
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I don't think anyone mourned for Sir Ian Blair.DecrepitJohnL said:
Older readers will remember Boris did the same with the Met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair when he first became mayor.Scott_P said:0 -
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LOL! Love how everyone is trying to make this about Boris.
Desperate, desperate, desperate.0 -
Disagree that Hunt comes well out of this. He failed to back Darroch on principle. I also have a strong suspicion Hunt is protecting the leaker.felix said:A wise decision by Darroch. He is entirely blameless in this matter but his position was untenable and unlike so many commentators has the intelligence to recognise the need to resign. Hunt comes well out of this - Boris rather less so.
Liam Fox called it correctly IMO
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The problem isn't Kim Darroch or Boris Johnson, the problem is the person who leaked the information.Scott_P said:1 -
Nandy doesn't quite get the way the world works.Scott_P said:
Darroch didn't have a choice - nothing to do with what Johnson said last night, everything to do with the leaker and the response from the White House.
Darroch knew he couldn't carry on in the role when he was cut off from access from the people he needed to work with in order to do his job. So he had to resign - which he has done, with honour.
The fault lies with who arranged the leaks.2 -
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Why does anyone give a damn what she thinks on any subject?Scott_P said:0 -
So we have the first PM Bozo fiasco before he has even got the job...0
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Hunt and Boris are both protecting the leaker, just in case he is on their team. One of them might know, of course.FF43 said:
Disagree that Hunt comes well out of this. He failed to back Darroch on principle. I also have a strong suspicion Hunt is protecting the leaker.felix said:A wise decision by Darroch. He is entirely blameless in this matter but his position was untenable and unlike so many commentators has the intelligence to recognise the need to resign. Hunt comes well out of this - Boris rather less so.
Liam Fox called it correctly IMO0 -
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With many more to comeIanB2 said:So we have the first PM Bozo fiasco before he has even got the job...
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That's pretty much how we got the Americans into WW1.viewcode said:
My headcanon says that GCHQ decrypted them, handed them to the NSA, who gave them to Trump, who gave them to Farage/Boris, who leaked them to the press via Oakeshott...Scott_P said:
They were secure and encrypted.not_on_fire said:Whoever failed to ensure communication between the Ambassador and HMG were not secure and encrypted should also be facing serious questions.
Then they are distributed to lots of people within HMG, one of whom gave them to a "journalist"0 -
Traditionally Sheffield Hallam was a safe Tory seat - most certainly until 1997!TheScreamingEagles said:
Well I’m fortunate I live in a Lib Dem/Labour marginal so not an issue for me.SouthamObserver said:
Will you vote for a Conservative party led by him?TheScreamingEagles said:Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.
Boris Johnson is neither of those things.
But if this is a harbinger of a Boris premiership I think I’ll remain a member but stop campaigning until we return to sanity.
Although if Boris revokes or goes for a very long transition then I may revise my views.0 -
Perhaps we should freeze out the US Ambassador following the comments he has made quite publicly about our Prime Minister and the Mayor of London.Philip_Thompson said:
His tenure was ending soon anyway and Trunp had already frozen him out.rottenborough said:
This is an absolute disgrace.Scott_P said:
I hope all Tory members who are merrily voting for Boris can live with themselves.
Whoever leaked should be in jail but realistically the moment this was published he was doomed. He should have fallen on his sword days ago.
If you can't see that we are just giving in to an overgrown baby and bully to boot then you are entirely missing the point. This is a glimpse of our future after Brexit with Johnson playing Trump's poodle. Any trade deal will be what Trump decides it will be and if we argue he'll throw another tantrum0 -
It really isn’t a humiliationScott_P said:
The simple fact is there is a jerk in the White House
But if he refuses to work with our ambassador that’s something we need to adjust to.1 -
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Alan Duncan on BBCPL now - “angry with Johnson”
“Respect [in parliament] for Boris has taken a real nosedive today”
“Just being a supplicant like this seems to be a Boris attitude”
“Instead of a fresh start with a clean slate in a mood of national confidence, Boris now looks rather tawdry”0
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