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1.56 when he started. 1.59 now.TGOHF said:Boris drifting on Betfair.
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He's been 1.6 or so throughout this whole speech.TGOHF said:Boris drifting on Betfair.
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So he did do drugs.0
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Was 1.54 an hour or so ago.Tissue_Price said:
He's been 1.6 or so throughout this whole speech.TGOHF said:Boris drifting on Betfair.
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Yes, but he's not drifting based on this performance.TGOHF said:
Was 1.54 an hour or so ago.Tissue_Price said:
He's been 1.6 or so throughout this whole speech.TGOHF said:Boris drifting on Betfair.
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Of course he did.SouthamObserver said:So he did do drugs.
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Boris Johnson is completely vacuous. What on earth is this? He's saying nothing.0
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Andrea Leadsom has a new negotiating position:
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On to the f-ing of business now.0
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Johnson: let the police stop and search any young people who look like they might be up to something illegal. Also: it's nobody's business if I took coke when I was 19.
One rule for OEs, one rule for the plebs.0 -
https://twitter.com/PCollinsTimes/status/1138753702251171840Gallowgate said:Boris Johnson is completely vacuous. What on earth is this? He's saying nothing.
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Boris tightening, Hunt drifting, and money for Leadsom?0
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Probably - he is right that it’s not a big deal.GIN1138 said:0 -
And we were worried about Boris...williamglenn said:Andrea Leadsom has a new negotiating position:
https://twitter.com/nedsimons/status/11387381467897937920 -
In the context of Brexit negotiations?williamglenn said:Andrea Leadsom has a new negotiating position:
https://twitter.com/nedsimons/status/11387381467897937920 -
An unimpressive uninspiring performance - but he hasn't blown up.
Can't see this performance trending on social media.0 -
Boris is doing very poorly. I just dont get what the tories (and a significant number of the public) see in him.0
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At last, takes the Guardian to ask a decent question
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Weak answer here... just thinks that MPs will 'behave'...
NO THEY WONT AND THEY SHOULDNT0 -
After this abject performance, I suspect even Corbyn might have a chance against Johnson. I'd still say odds against, but it would be close. It is truly awful.0
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To which the answer is a lot of bland waffle.rottenborough said:At last, takes the Guardian to ask a decent question
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He has been very subdued and frankly has 'not dropped any bricks'rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/PCollinsTimes/status/1138753702251171840Gallowgate said:Boris Johnson is completely vacuous. What on earth is this? He's saying nothing.
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Lots of 'I think'... there...
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Killer question from the Grauniad to which Johnsion has no answer.0
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A man who blocks people for even the mildest criticism or question of him. The absolute classic snowflake.isam said:Interview with the man behind Titania McGrath & Jonathan Pie, Andrew Doyle. Have to agree with his reasons for satirising the ‘Woke’ types who pride themselves on their righteousness, using tenuous guilt by association techniques whilst presenting themselves as a victim despite being privileged
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I think you're just "veiling" your languageGallowgate said:Boris Johnson is completely vacuous. What on earth is this? He's saying nothing.
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“We have a fantastic team, a great team, it’s going to be a great Brexit - you’re gonna love it”
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Dull by Boris's standard is a pass.
Lynton gets the "Wiff-Waff Kid" past the first public hurdle.0 -
A blond with big tits....what's for a Tory not to like?FrancisUrquhart said:Boris is doing very poorly. I just dont get what the tories (and a significant number of the public) see in him.
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Does he really? I didn't know that.Alistair said:
A man who blocks people for even the mildest criticism or question of him. The absolute classic snowflake.isam said:Interview with the man behind Titania McGrath & Jonathan Pie, Andrew Doyle. Have to agree with his reasons for satirising the ‘Woke’ types who pride themselves on their righteousness, using tenuous guilt by association techniques whilst presenting themselves as a victim despite being privileged
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This should be hammered home in every interview and question. Indeed, it's the only question.SouthamObserver said:Killer question from the Grauniad to which Johnsion has no answer.
HOW WILL YOU GET A DEAL?0 -
Sky - Energetic and competent speech !!!0
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Penny's not standingRoger said:
A blond with big tits....what's for a Tory not to like?FrancisUrquhart said:Boris is doing very poorly. I just dont get what the tories (and a significant number of the public) see in him.
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Strong vibes of Trump for sure.TGOHF said:“We have a fantastic team, a great team, it’s going to be a great Brexit - you’re gonna love it”
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"Let's make Brexit great again!"Slackbladder said:
Strong vibes of Trump for sure.TGOHF said:“We have a fantastic team, a great team, it’s going to be a great Brexit - you’re gonna love it”
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Boris is the comfort blanket for the Conservatives. That's it.FrancisUrquhart said:Boris is doing very poorly. I just dont get what the tories (and a significant number of the public) see in him.
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Well nothing new there.
Can’t see Boris in the tv debates.0 -
As I was saying... The speech was perfectly fine. He got through the media questions OK. No major gaffes made in either the speech or the questions.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky - Energetic and competent speech !!!
No problem.0 -
I think we can safely conclude after that abject performance that Johnson is going to be an even worse PM than May or Cameron.0
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The response to the last question was completely delusional. He has no idea how to progress the EU negotiations and no hope of getting anything through parliament. The Tories are probably right that he is their best bet for the Autumn election that now looks inevitable. But based on that performance - which was really just pound shop Farage - I wouldn't imagine that either the Brexit Party or Labour are especially worried.0
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Boris is just the Maybot with a glitzier front-end to the app, but still making exactly the same political blunders. Passing a loaded bazooka to Nigel Farage, ready for use when the 31st October deadline is missed, is incomprehensibly stupid.1
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Do we remember 2016 Leadership election where every candidate who made their launch speech had their price fall as the speech went on and exactly the same thing happened with Boris right up until the point where he said he wasn't running.
Funny day.0 -
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And possibly worse than Corbyn. Which is going some.SouthamObserver said:I think we can safely conclude after that abject performance that Johnson is going to be an even worse PM than May or Cameron.
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Johnson's odds have lengthened slightly but not significantly.
So the top five runners currently are Johnson, Hunt, Leadsom, Gove and Rory. Who would have predicted that! Raab on 70s.0 -
It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.
He is a marmite character, you either love him or hate him0 -
What was there to love?Big_G_NorthWales said:It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.
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but still better than Corbyn or ThornberrySouthamObserver said:I think we can safely conclude after that abject performance that Johnson is going to be an even worse PM than May or Cameron.
thats how bad our political line up is0 -
the longer Leadsom's odds say at 10ish the more nervous I get.0
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I don’t see any Brexiteers laughing. You all give every impression of being nervous, tired and angry. Not a combination of desirable moods when one of you is about to become PM and therefore have their finger on the Trident trigger.Viceroy_of_Orange said:
Not sure what you mean by helping our cause.Mysticrose said:
Can't you raise the bar a bit? Honestly the Brexiteers aren't helping their cause at the moment by continuing to shout trite soundbites from the touchline. We had all this in 2016 and people have begun to see right through it. Simply shouting that things are 'project fear' or airily that 'we will make trade deals' doesn't make them true.Philip_Thompson said:
Project Fear.Scott_P said:
In 2016 we labelled it project fear, and it resonated because nobody took seriously the absurd claims from the Remain campaign. And we were thus proven right. Today, the same scare stories are being told and we're labelling them project fear again, except this time we're laughing even harder at them.
If we didn't believe George Osborne in 2016, we're hardly all going to believe Philip Hammond in 2019.0 -
So the plan must be a GE instead, non? Unless, of course, you think the plan doesn't extend beyond "make me PM"? Which is possible.Richard_Nabavi said:Boris is just the Maybot with a glitzier front-end to the app, but still making exactly the same political blunders. Passing a loaded bazooka to Nigel Farage, ready for use when the 31st October deadline is missed, is incomprehensibly stupid.
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But you make my point. There are many who do thoughGallowgate said:
What was there to love?Big_G_NorthWales said:It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.
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Yep - his response to the question from the Grauniad was an absolute gift to Farage. If I were an ERGer I would have got a terrible sinking feeling as he waffled on and on without answering it. He clearly has absolutely no idea what to do.Richard_Nabavi said:Boris is just the Maybot with a glitzier front-end to the app, but still making exactly the same political blunders. Passing a loaded bazooka to Nigel Farage, ready for use when the 31st October deadline is missed, is incomprehensibly stupid.
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Not now, the Tories are busy tearing themselves apart.TGOHF said:0 -
But even objectively, what leadership qualities were on display?Big_G_NorthWales said:
But you make my point. There are many who do thoughGallowgate said:
What was there to love?Big_G_NorthWales said:It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.
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After his abject performance this morning I wonder how many people would agree.Alanbrooke said:
but still better than Corbyn or ThornberrySouthamObserver said:I think we can safely conclude after that abject performance that Johnson is going to be an even worse PM than May or Cameron.
thats how bad our political line up is
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One of Johnson's liabilities that isn't often commented on is his stuttering, stammering delivery in answering questions. It's not a problem for him now, in fact it's part of his personal style, but as soon as pressure is really on him it will come across as incredibly evasive. It could be his equivalent of Nixon's sweat.0
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I am not a Boris supporter but his supporters will point to two London mayoral wins and the OlympicsGallowgate said:
But even objectively, what leadership qualities were on display?Big_G_NorthWales said:
But you make my point. There are many who do thoughGallowgate said:
What was there to love?Big_G_NorthWales said:It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.
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perhaps you can explain why tax cuts for people in London who will never vote Conservative is an election winner ? Thats London, where the extra cash will simply lead to more house price inflation and a greater gap between North and South.Big_G_NorthWales said:It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.
He is a marmite character, you either love him or hate him
Its complete Borishit
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But Boris has one advantage over May. He seems able to employ people and let them get on and deliver for him. He wont be hiding everything and not telling anybody and shouting 'keep away from my precious' all the time. Nor is likely to just give people jobs soley because they are ultra loyal.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - his response to the question from the Grauniad was an absolute gift to Farage. If I were an ERGer I would have got a terrible sinking feeling as he waffled on and on without answering it. He clearly has absolutely no idea what to do.Richard_Nabavi said:Boris is just the Maybot with a glitzier front-end to the app, but still making exactly the same political blunders. Passing a loaded bazooka to Nigel Farage, ready for use when the 31st October deadline is missed, is incomprehensibly stupid.
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He isn't going to lose support by not being quirky, he has to show he can look competent as well.GIN1138 said:
As I was saying... The speech was perfectly fine. He got through the media questions OK. No major gaffes made in either the speech or the questions.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky - Energetic and competent speech !!!
No problem.
This thread’s comments should probably be used as an example of confirmation bias to inform anyone who didn’t know what the phrase meant.1 -
The situation is made worse by the tories' favourite stealth defence cut of running the armed forces at significantly under their theoretical headcount. (7% for the RN)JosiasJessop said:
Absolutely true; for one thing, the Trident missiles are maintained and obtained from a common pool in the US. That means the US could, if they wanted, stop us from simply getting or repairing/maintaining the missiles.Dura_Ace said:Whether we could sustain a continuous at sea ICBM deterrent without USN technical support is another question to which the answer is no.
The posts that go unfilled aren't blanket stackers and deck swabbers but the highly specialised technical roles like nuclear engineers.0 -
Yes, I think the plan is just 'make me PM and I'll wing it somehow'.Tissue_Price said:
So the plan must be a GE instead, non? Unless, of course, you think the plan doesn't extend beyond "make me PM"? Which is possible.Richard_Nabavi said:Boris is just the Maybot with a glitzier front-end to the app, but still making exactly the same political blunders. Passing a loaded bazooka to Nigel Farage, ready for use when the 31st October deadline is missed, is incomprehensibly stupid.
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He has drifted now, out to 1.650
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It's a two stage plan:Tissue_Price said:
So the plan must be a GE instead, non? Unless, of course, you think the plan doesn't extend beyond "make me PM"? Which is possible.Richard_Nabavi said:Boris is just the Maybot with a glitzier front-end to the app, but still making exactly the same political blunders. Passing a loaded bazooka to Nigel Farage, ready for use when the 31st October deadline is missed, is incomprehensibly stupid.
1) Make me PM.
2) Erm... oh, cripes.0 -
Corbyn just shrieks like a student activist that he, in many ways, still is.SouthamObserver said:
After his abject performance this morning I wonder how many people would agree.Alanbrooke said:
but still better than Corbyn or ThornberrySouthamObserver said:I think we can safely conclude after that abject performance that Johnson is going to be an even worse PM than May or Cameron.
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And you are the exception that proves the rule?Big_G_NorthWales said:It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.
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I do not support BorisAlanbrooke said:
perhaps you can explain why tax cuts for people in London who will never vote Conservative is an election winner ? Thats London, where the extra cash will simply lead to more house price inflation and a greater gap between North and South.Big_G_NorthWales said:It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.
He is a marmite character, you either love him or hate him
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Raab has plunged to 70sTissue_Price said:He has drifted now, out to 1.65
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faced with the choice of Bumbling Boris or Emily ThornBeria Id chose the incompetent over the NKVD stalinist.SouthamObserver said:
After his abject performance this morning I wonder how many people would agree.Alanbrooke said:
but still better than Corbyn or ThornberrySouthamObserver said:I think we can safely conclude after that abject performance that Johnson is going to be an even worse PM than May or Cameron.
thats how bad our political line up is
It's a nose holder, theyre all out to make Farage look good.0 -
I think the key to the success of a PM Boris is appointing the right people to key cabinet positions. I would hope he would be a lot more collegiate than May. IMHO he needs to mend fences with Gove and make him Brexit secretary.Big_G_NorthWales said:It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.
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And because he is too lazy for all the details. Tbh probably a good quality in a PM - micromanagers have not done well compared to big picture leaders.rottenborough said:
But Boris has one advantage over May. He seems able to employ people and let them get on and deliver for him. He wont be hiding everything and not telling anybody and shouting 'keep away from my precious' all the time. Nor is likely to just give people jobs soley because they are ultra loyal.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - his response to the question from the Grauniad was an absolute gift to Farage. If I were an ERGer I would have got a terrible sinking feeling as he waffled on and on without answering it. He clearly has absolutely no idea what to do.Richard_Nabavi said:Boris is just the Maybot with a glitzier front-end to the app, but still making exactly the same political blunders. Passing a loaded bazooka to Nigel Farage, ready for use when the 31st October deadline is missed, is incomprehensibly stupid.
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He's a decent bet if you think Boris blows himself up in the next few days.TGOHF said:
Raab has plunged to 70sTissue_Price said:He has drifted now, out to 1.65
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No major gaffs from Bozo .
A safe speech you need to do when you’re the leading contender . However the journalists really just asked some stupid questions about his character which is already baked in .
Never put him on the spot on his Brexit policy . Overall objectively I’d give him 7/10. His team will be happy .
I think if he does the tv debates that would cause him much more problems . But I expect he’ll try and avoid them .0 -
Yep, I suspect Farage is the big winner from this morning.Alanbrooke said:
faced with the choice of Bumbling Boris or Emily ThornBeria Id chose the incompetent over the NKVD stalinist.SouthamObserver said:
After his abject performance this morning I wonder how many people would agree.Alanbrooke said:
but still better than Corbyn or ThornberrySouthamObserver said:I think we can safely conclude after that abject performance that Johnson is going to be an even worse PM than May or Cameron.
thats how bad our political line up is
It's a nose holder, theyre all out to make Farage look good.
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Thats just personnel. It doesn't change the reality or the HOC numbers.GarethoftheVale2 said:
I think the key to the success of a PM Boris is appointing the right people to key cabinet positions. I would hope he would be a lot more collegiate than May. IMHO he needs to mend fences with Gove and make him Brexit secretary.Big_G_NorthWales said:It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.
He is a marmite character, you either love him or hate him
There is no plan. He's just going to wing it, then cry betrayal as they always do.
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It's probably about right now, Boris is swallowing his potential support whole.TGOHF said:
Raab has plunged to 70sTissue_Price said:He has drifted now, out to 1.65
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Yep - that may well be the case. But where it leads is to no Brexit on 31st October. And that destroys the Tories, probably forever.rottenborough said:
But Boris has one advantage over May. He seems able to employ people and let them get on and deliver for him. He wont be hiding everything and not telling anybody and shouting 'keep away from my precious' all the time. Nor is likely to just give people jobs soley because they are ultra loyal.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - his response to the question from the Grauniad was an absolute gift to Farage. If I were an ERGer I would have got a terrible sinking feeling as he waffled on and on without answering it. He clearly has absolutely no idea what to do.Richard_Nabavi said:Boris is just the Maybot with a glitzier front-end to the app, but still making exactly the same political blunders. Passing a loaded bazooka to Nigel Farage, ready for use when the 31st October deadline is missed, is incomprehensibly stupid.
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Let's hope we are all wrong.Slackbladder said:
Thats just personnel. It doesn't change the reality or the HOC numbers.GarethoftheVale2 said:
I think the key to the success of a PM Boris is appointing the right people to key cabinet positions. I would hope he would be a lot more collegiate than May. IMHO he needs to mend fences with Gove and make him Brexit secretary.Big_G_NorthWales said:It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.
He is a marmite character, you either love him or hate him
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Rorymania sweeps the nation. I haven't seen the British public this excited about a political movement since CUK!rottenborough said:2 -
Lynton will lock him up in a bunker I expect now.Tissue_Price said:
He's a decent bet if you think Boris blows himself up in the next few days.TGOHF said:
Raab has plunged to 70sTissue_Price said:He has drifted now, out to 1.65
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HahaStereotomy said:
Rorymania sweeps the nation. I haven't seen the British public this excited about a political movement since CUK!rottenborough said: 0 -
Corbyn talking about Anne Frank ffs. Shameless.0
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My wife was utterly disgustedGallowgate said:Corbyn talking about Anne Frank ffs. Shameless.
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Which one ?TGOHF said:0 -
Yes. Thatcher is an oddity I would say. Very details, very long hours, highly briefed, totally on top of the red boxes. Yet able to keep the vision in clear sight.Pulpstar said:
And because he is too lazy for all the details. Tbh probably a good quality in a PM - micromanagers have not done well compared to big picture leaders.rottenborough said:
But Boris has one advantage over May. He seems able to employ people and let them get on and deliver for him. He wont be hiding everything and not telling anybody and shouting 'keep away from my precious' all the time. Nor is likely to just give people jobs soley because they are ultra loyal.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - his response to the question from the Grauniad was an absolute gift to Farage. If I were an ERGer I would have got a terrible sinking feeling as he waffled on and on without answering it. He clearly has absolutely no idea what to do.Richard_Nabavi said:Boris is just the Maybot with a glitzier front-end to the app, but still making exactly the same political blunders. Passing a loaded bazooka to Nigel Farage, ready for use when the 31st October deadline is missed, is incomprehensibly stupid.
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That is beyond parody.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife was utterly disgustedGallowgate said:Corbyn talking about Anne Frank ffs. Shameless.
Not bothering to watch. Did he say there were good people on both sides?0 -
Boris leads on Anne Frank - then welcomes his new MP..0
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How many 54 year old plebs do you know who are being questioned in a job interview as to what they did or did not take at 19?OnlyLivingBoy said:Johnson: let the police stop and search any young people who look like they might be up to something illegal. Also: it's nobody's business if I took coke when I was 19.
One rule for OEs, one rule for the plebs.0 -
Boris isn't LOTO yet.TGOHF said:Boris leads on Anne Frank - then welcomes his new MP..
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Not Boris - Corbyn said itTGOHF said:Boris leads on Anne Frank - then welcomes his new MP..
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Soon be time to start the stockpiling again I reckon.1
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I found it strange that Gove was labelled a hypocrite for suggesting lifetime bans for teachers caught with Class A drugs now, because he had used them in the past.Philip_Thompson said:
How many 54 year old plebs do you know who are being questioned in a job interview as to what they did or did not take at 19?OnlyLivingBoy said:Johnson: let the police stop and search any young people who look like they might be up to something illegal. Also: it's nobody's business if I took coke when I was 19.
One rule for OEs, one rule for the plebs.0 -
Gove or Raab for Brexit Secretary.GarethoftheVale2 said:
I think the key to the success of a PM Boris is appointing the right people to key cabinet positions. I would hope he would be a lot more collegiate than May. IMHO he needs to mend fences with Gove and make him Brexit secretary.Big_G_NorthWales said:It does seem to me that the comments on here re Boris are perfectly predictable.
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How many 54 year old plebs get to decide drugs and policing policy?Philip_Thompson said:
How many 54 year old plebs do you know who are being questioned in a job interview as to what they did or did not take at 19?OnlyLivingBoy said:Johnson: let the police stop and search any young people who look like they might be up to something illegal. Also: it's nobody's business if I took coke when I was 19.
One rule for OEs, one rule for the plebs.0
