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FPT:

Mysticrose said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1138738716913152000

Project Fear.

Can't you raise the bar a bit? Honestly the Brexiteers aren't helping their cause at the moment by continuing to shout trite soundbites from the touchline. We had all this in 2016 and people have begun to see right through it. Simply shouting that things are 'project fear' or airily that 'we will make trade deals' doesn't make them true.

It takes two to tango.

Stop making absurd fearful projections and we won't need to dismiss them. Stop dismissing our optimistic projections and we won't need to repeat them.

https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1138742445456396294

https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1138742970449092608

The first graph has a dodgy Y-axis.

We could equally say 73% of Boris backers don't want less emphasis on climate change.

Do old habits when publishing dodgy Lib Dem bar charts die hard? In this case, the vertical scale of one chart is some three times that of the other, yet comparisons are being made as if the scales are the same.

So that poll cannot be used to assert that "The approach to Brexit is not that surprising but it is climate change which sees a bigger gap between Johnson backers and those supporting Gove or Hunt." The difference is 19%/17% on climate change. It's 33%/48% on No Deal Brexit.

Wulfrun_Phil said:

Do old habits when publishing dodgy Lib Dem bar charts die hard? In this case, the vertical scale of one chart is some three times that of the other, yet comparisons are being made as if the scales are the same.

So that poll cannot be used to assert that "The approach to Brexit is not that surprising but it is climate change which sees a bigger gap between Johnson backers and those supporting Gove or Hunt." The difference is 19%/17% on climate change. It's 33%/48% on No Deal Brexit.

Indeed. Very dodgy Y-axis. In the real world 33%/48% is much bigger than 19%/17%

Not to mention that whether it is 73%, 92% or 90% a vast majority of Boris, Gove and Hunt supporters don't want less emphasis on climate change. Its not an issue.

Whereas its safe to say Boris supporters (85%) do want no deal, Gove supporters (52%) are split with a small majority while Hunt supporters (37%) overall do not.

One of these topics is a subject, the other is moot.

FPT

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1138733651678695425

Sorry but that's ridiculous by Will Straw. Number 10 had no authority to block posters from being released any more than Vote Leave could block Farage's "Breaking Point" poster which they hated and thought was counter-productive.

Labour [or any other party] were free to release that poster if they wanted to do so.

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/MattGarrahan/status/1138745708624916481

Utterly pathetic. We've had over 2 years since Article 50 was invoked.

Video link to launch event...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPye44ebyIg

tlg86 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1138733651678695425

Sorry but that's ridiculous by Will Straw. Number 10 had no authority to block posters from being released any more than Vote Leave could block Farage's "Breaking Point" poster which they hated and thought was counter-productive.

Labour [or any other party] were free to release that poster if they wanted to do so.

That's an interesting point. All Out War suggests that Will Straw et al were largely window dressing. When it got serious all the big decisions were made by Cameron and Osborne.

Considering the three largest opposition parties by MPs were all in favour of Remain at least one of them could have got stuck in and put out a poster like that. Pathetic to cry about Cameron and Osborne afterwards.

Go Boris!

DecrepitJohnL said:

tlg86 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1138733651678695425

Sorry but that's ridiculous by Will Straw. Number 10 had no authority to block posters from being released any more than Vote Leave could block Farage's "Breaking Point" poster which they hated and thought was counter-productive.

Labour [or any other party] were free to release that poster if they wanted to do so.

That's an interesting point. All Out War suggests that Will Straw et al were largely window dressing. When it got serious all the big decisions were made by Cameron and Osborne.

That would be the same Cameron and Osborne who almost lost Scotland despite starting with a huge lead on Sindyref.

SNP or Labour both could have released a Boris-in-Farage-pocket poster and given they were the "victims" of the previous poster would have got a lot of media attention as revenge served cold.

Philip_Thompson said:

Go Boris!

There will be very many wanting him to 'Go' but not in the way you put it

Not exactly up there with the theatre of Rory's launch.

rottenborough said:

Not exactly up there with the theatre of Rory's launch.

He's got the Tory Trollop and The Quiet Man on the front row...

What else does he need?

I remember when Cox was briefly the one.

Johnson is the Trump candidate, so it is not surprising that he attracts those who approve of the Trump agenda.

rottenborough said:

Ouch. A managerial approach will not suffice.

Good line

First gaff English football teams which are quite dependent of FOM for getting best players.

Philip_Thompson said:

Go Boris!

To Iran for a prisoner swap. Agreed.

nichomar said:

First gaff English football teams which are quite dependent of FOM for getting best players.

What's his point?

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT:

Mysticrose said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1138738716913152000

Project Fear.

Can't you raise the bar a bit? Honestly the Brexiteers aren't helping their cause at the moment by continuing to shout trite soundbites from the touchline. We had all this in 2016 and people have begun to see right through it. Simply shouting that things are 'project fear' or airily that 'we will make trade deals' doesn't make them true.

It takes two to tango.

Stop making absurd fearful projections and we won't need to dismiss them. Stop dismissing our optimistic projections and we won't need to repeat them.

For sure. I oppose a No Deal Brexit because I think it will cause jobs and businesses to be lost that need not be lost, and poison relations with some allies, unnecessarily.

Not because I think we're going to run out of food or medicines, or suffer an economic blow that will take generations to recover from.

nichomar said:

First gaff English football teams which are quite dependent of FOM for getting best players.

Are they? Premiership footballers from top 6 teams could play for them with or without FOM, as they are generally internationals with lots of caps.

Liverpool’s foreign players are mainly non EU nationals; Salah, Mane, Firmino, Keita, Fabinho, Alisson to name six.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Slackbladder said:

Boris has no answers about how to get a 'better deal'.

No one has

Exactly... This is cloud cuckoo land.

isam said:

nichomar said:

First gaff English football teams which are quite dependent of FOM for getting best players.

Are they? Premiership footballers from top 6 teams could play for them with or without FOM, as they are generally internationals with lots of caps.

Liverpool’s foreign players are mainly non EU nationals; Salah, Mane, Firmino, Keita, Fabinho, Alisson to name six.

Indeed, its poaching EU youngsters that would change - assuming the rules were applied as they are to non-EU players.

Is that all Boris has to say on Brexit? Trust me folks, I'll just make it better??

Johnson said since referendum UK economy has grown much faster than the rest of the EU.

That is just untrue.

Between Q2 2016 and Q1 2019 the UK economy grew less than 5% while the EU27 grew by over 6%.

If he can't even be bothered to fact check the opening lines of his leadership pitch, what does it tell you about how he will govern?

nichomar said:

tlg86 said:

nichomar said:

First gaff English football teams which are quite dependent of FOM for getting best players.

What's his point?

That English teams did so well in Europe despite us voting to leave a joke without thought

Ah right, thanks.

Good on the 'left behind'. But just words.

DecrepitJohnL said:

Philip_Thompson said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

tlg86 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FPT

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1138733651678695425

Sorry but that's ridiculous by Will Straw. Number 10 had no authority to block posters from being released any more than Vote Leave could block Farage's "Breaking Point" poster which they hated and thought was counter-productive.

Labour [or any other party] were free to release that poster if they wanted to do so.

That's an interesting point. All Out War suggests that Will Straw et al were largely window dressing. When it got serious all the big decisions were made by Cameron and Osborne.

That would be the same Cameron and Osborne who almost lost Scotland despite starting with a huge lead on Sindyref.

SNP or Labour both could have released a Boris-in-Farage-pocket poster and given they were the "victims" of the previous poster would have got a lot of media attention as revenge served cold.

Remember there were the two official campaigns, not each party running its own.

No. There were two official campaigns, multiple unofficial ones AND each party running it's own. That is how come the Remain campaigners outspent Leave campaigners so dramatically. It is also how come posters like Breaking Point came out despite being hated by the official Leave campaign.

This is a very bad speech. Nothing of value or insight apart from apple pie and waffle.

Boris doing perfectly fine with his speech.

GIN1138 said:

Boris doing perfectly fine with his speech.

Vacuous stuff.

Slackbladder said:

This is a very bad speech. Nothing of value or insight apart from apple pie and waffle.

Safety first. He is, as Jenkins said of Blair, a man who only has to carry a rare ming jar across a room without dropping it.

SouthamObserver said:

Ramble, ramble, ramble, ramble

Rory enjoys a good ramble too ....

Six questions. Wow!

Not watching, but as the overwhelming favourite with a reputation of being a clown, the only option for Boris was surely to play it straight & sensible? Trying to be quirky a la Rory Stewart is only an option for long shots, or those thought of as dull (Hancocks newfound goofiness and TMs dancing queen routine for instance)

_Anazina_ said:

GIN1138 said:

Boris doing perfectly fine with his speech.

Vacuous stuff.

Was always going to be...

2-0 up with time running out. Forget the beautiful game. Take it to the corner flag.

Could be Lynton Crosby. Could be Jose Mourinho. Good advice regardless.

GIN1138 said:

_Anazina_ said:

GIN1138 said:

Boris doing perfectly fine with his speech.

Vacuous stuff.

LOL!

People who don't like Boris (majority on here) will think it's terrible because everything he does is terrible but objectively it's perfectly fine.

No, objectively it's terrible.

He is bloody good at stalling while he thinks of an answer by making a jokey comment on the question. This one: a "minestrone of observations"

This is deeply unimpressive. So much waffle.

Boris Trumpton has put on a LOT of weight. Is he trying to outdo The Real Trumpton?

It's like a Corbyn appearance. Supporters booing difficult questions and cheering answers.

Boris Johnson admits speeding...

Dodges the drugs question.

"To confirm what I had already decided, I went undercover to infiltrate this den of crypto-fascism with my good friend Yohann Koshy, whose devastating account of the goings-on at the club has since been published by the online magazine VICE.

As a professional journalist, Yohann had already written his response to the show before actually seeing it, and was hoping to augment the piece with a few choice quotations from the night.

‘Don’t worry,’ I told him. ‘We know what they were thinking. All you need to do is quote a few lines out of context, emphasize the right-wing audience members..."

https://spectator.us/terrifying-journey-far-right-comedy/