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First. Like Penny.0
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Clever cartoon - well done Marf. (For those who don't know, Gavin used supposedly to keep a live scorpion on his desk when chief whip, perhaps to suggest an air of jovial menace.)0
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Quick work, Marf!0
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Interesting that Williamson is denying he's the guilty party.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/11236372935777976320 -
At last. Rory in the Cabinet. This is excellent news whatever your political views.
Someone with some ability, a thinker and wide ranging interests in foreign affairs who deserved promotion.0 -
Very good (and fast) Marf.
Congratulations to Penny and Rory (finally!)
Williamson’s screwed his career, he should have just resigned rather than being involved in a leak from a security meeting.0 -
> @AndyJS said:
> Interesting that Williamson is denying he's the guilty party.
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He’s probably been advised by lawyers.0 -
> @NickPalmer said:
> Clever cartoon - well done Marf. (For those who don't know, Gavin used supposedly to keep a live scorpion on his desk when chief whip, perhaps to suggest an air of jovial menace.)
Was it not a tarantula?0 -
Ah! But is Williamson the innocent sacrifial lamb set up to protect the heavyweight guilty by being left out hanging to dry, or is he actually guilty? Who knows with this lot.0
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Rory now not that far off Hunt on odds for next Tory leader. 16 and 14.0
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Strong and Cable is right, Williamson's and various journalists phones need to be seized. This is an alleged breach of the Official Secrets Act. Williamson should have his chance to defend himself from this allegation.0
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That creature looks more like a tarantula than a scorpion.numbertwelve said:> @NickPalmer said:
> Clever cartoon - well done Marf. (For those who don't know, Gavin used supposedly to keep a live scorpion on his desk when chief whip, perhaps to suggest an air of jovial menace.)
Was it not a tarantula?
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Brilliantly fast work by Marf and great to see one of her works on PB again.1
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> @John_McLean said:
> Ah! But is Williamson the innocent sacrifial lamb set up to protect the heavyweight guilty by being left out hanging to dry, or is he actually guilty? Who knows with this lot.
Could you put a couple more metaphors in there, please?0 -
A chance of glory for Rory the Tory.0
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> @AndyJS said:
> Interesting that Williamson is denying he's the guilty party.
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> https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1123637293577797632
Yes, that is almost odd given you'd assume someone would not be sacked for such a thing unless it was undeniable. Not that he has outdone himself in the department, but if he was the source he really seems to have generally very poor judgement.0 -
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> @numbertwelve said:
> > @NickPalmer said:
> > Clever cartoon - well done Marf. (For those who don't know, Gavin used supposedly to keep a live scorpion on his desk when chief whip, perhaps to suggest an air of jovial menace.)
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> Was it not a tarantula?
It was. I'd guess Marf would be disappointed that her drawing might be mistaken for Scorpiones0 -
Is Williamson a man of enough means to sustain himself out with his political career ? If what he is saying is true (That looks perhaps doubtful) then I wouldnt want to stick round as an MP but for the salary0
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> @geoffw said:
> A chance of glory for Rory the Tory.
Impressive CV outside politics but not sure, myself, he has what it takes to succeed in politics.0 -
And we the public are Jake Gyllenhaal, looking on in arousal0
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An Etonian back in the Cabinet. And a Balliol man too. Something must be right in the world.0
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If I had my eye on possible criminal proceedings...kle4 said:> @AndyJS said:
> Interesting that Williamson is denying he's the guilty party.
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Yes, that is almost odd given you'd assume someone would not be sacked for such a thing unless it was undeniable. Not that he has outdone himself in the department, but if he was the source he really seems to have generally very poor judgement.0 -
> @kle4 said:
> > @AndyJS said:
> > Interesting that Williamson is denying he's the guilty party.
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> > https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1123637293577797632
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> Yes, that is almost odd given you'd assume someone would not be sacked for such a thing unless it was undeniable. Not that he has outdone himself in the department, but if he was the source he really seems to have generally very poor judgement.
Given the Roger Scruton sacking its not unknown for this government to sack wrongly.0 -
Whatever else one thinks of his capabilities, Rory Stewart has been both loyal and put in a lot more work than most of the Cabinet in trying to help May and her deal, so on political grounds has earned a promotion. Presumably it saves him from needing to resign from his current job if he failed at whatever he promised last year.1
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> @williamglenn said:
> > @AndyJS said:
> > Interesting that Williamson is denying he's the guilty party.
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> He’s probably been advised by lawyers.
Maybe. Of course it might be that he is actually not guilty. The evidence hasn’t been published.0 -
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Incredibly, she had this drawing of Williamson on stand-by for just such an eventuality, and barely had to tweak it when the news broke.MikeSmithson said:Brilliantly fast work by Marf and great to see one of her works on PB again.
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> @another_richard said:
> > @kle4 said:
> > > @AndyJS said:
> > > Interesting that Williamson is denying he's the guilty party.
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> > > https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1123637293577797632
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> > Yes, that is almost odd given you'd assume someone would not be sacked for such a thing unless it was undeniable. Not that he has outdone himself in the department, but if he was the source he really seems to have generally very poor judgement.
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> Given the Roger Scruton sacking its not unknown for this government to sack wrongly.
True, but that was a swift act in an effort to cut off bad press, this has taken several days and involves someone far more senior, and who will probably now not vote for anything May does costing her a valuable vote. She has no political clout left, so it seems crazy this would be done unless cast iron.0 -
Recall petition succeeds.0
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Peterborough is go!0
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If the Brexit party select cleverly for Peterborough, it's theirs for the taking.0
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Patrick o Flynn will be standing for the SDP in Peterborough0
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Notwithstanding, y’know, having to sack the defence secretary for leaking from the NSC, perpetuating the image that the government’s utterly borked and causing the weary lobby to reset the WTF-Newsometer again....
...a day in which the cabinet loses GW and gains RS can’t be an entirely shit one for TM.0 -
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Wiliamson’s ego was far too big for his ability (or lack thereof). Mordaunt is a good choice as successor. May’s end can’t be long coming now surely. She is leading the Tories into a death rattle.0
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> @TGOHF said:
> https://twitter.com/alibunkallsky/status/1123642678778957830
The Telegraph will come under pressure to confirm or deny.0 -
> @Ishmael_Z said:
> > @John_McLean said:
> > Ah! But is Williamson the innocent sacrifial lamb set up to protect the heavyweight guilty by being left out hanging to dry, or is he actually guilty? Who knows with this lot.
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> Could you put a couple more metaphors in there, please?
Is Williamson the innocent sacrifial lamb set up to protect the heavyweight guilty by being left out hanging to dry, or is he actually guilty and May is shooting herself in the foot, digging her own grave or, taking her eye off the ball with Brexit by trying to ride two horses swimming upstream.0 -
> @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > @tlg86 said:
> > Recall petition succeeds.
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> Can the jail bird stand in the recall election?
Yes and take a few off labour0 -
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...with Dory. Whilst hoary. But not sorry nor soary. Nor dreary, no worry.MarqueeMark said:> @geoffw said:
> A chance of glory for Rory the Tory.
Needs to get gory....0 -
Sadly yes, but not for Labour as they kicked her out.FrancisUrquhart said:> @tlg86 said:
> Recall petition succeeds.
Can the jail bird stand in the recall election?
She’d be more sensible to keep her £500 in the bank, it’ll be more useful there when she’s unemployed.0 -
> @dyedwoolie said:
> > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > > @tlg86 said:
> > > Recall petition succeeds.
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> > Can the jail bird stand in the recall election?
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> Yes and take a few off labour
With BP standing it should be fine for them.
Is it still the case you get a larger payment if you lose an election than if you do not contest?0 -
> @dyedwoolie said:
> > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > > @tlg86 said:
> > > Recall petition succeeds.
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> > Can the jail bird stand in the recall election?
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> Yes and take a few off labour
Lol, why would anyone vote for her?0 -
Jesus Loves Me Party?FrancisUrquhart said:> @tlg86 said:
> Recall petition succeeds.
Can the jail bird stand in the recall election?0 -
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> @TGOHF said:
> https://twitter.com/alibunkallsky/status/1123642678778957830
Very definitive there indeed. Someone has either cocked up big time in fingering him, or he is confident he can tell a lie now and it won't be proven.0 -
27% of Peterborough voters signed the petition. That's a much higher percentage than most people were expecting.0
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Cooper bill would fail now the jailbird has flown0
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> @Thayer5 said:
> If the Brexit party select cleverly for Peterborough, it's theirs for the taking.
Think it's possible, but far from certain.
In the European Parliament polls, the Brexit Party are currently on course to get around half of the Brexit referendum result nationally. That translates into about 36% in Peterborough - potentially enough for a win as long as the Tories and Labour split their votes fairly equally.0 -
Its an oldie but a goodie - Williamson's sacking will have raised the average IQ of both the Cabinet and the backbenches.....0
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> @CarlottaVance said:
> Pretty emphatic:
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> https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1123642749188808710
Given the turn out at the last GE was 48k and this hasn't been front page news, seems like there are quite a lot of pissed off people in Peterborough.0 -
Wow! Nearly 30% of electorate.0
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> @kle4 said:
> > @TGOHF said:
> > https://twitter.com/alibunkallsky/status/1123642678778957830
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> Very definitive there indeed. Someone has either cocked up big time in fingering him, or he is confident he can tell a lie now and it won't be proven.
The journalist it was leaked to knows the truth...0 -
> @TGOHF said:
> https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1123645346515701760
Hmmm. Seems a pretty stupid thing for a Cabinet Sec to do imho.0 -
It's great to see democracy in action in Peterborough.0
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> @Danny565 said:
> > @dyedwoolie said:
> > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > > > @tlg86 said:
> > > > Recall petition succeeds.
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> > > Can the jail bird stand in the recall election?
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> > Yes and take a few off labour
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> Lol, why would anyone vote for her?
Politically disinterested who vote and just know her name as their mp, its worth a few. Plus she will gave some personal support0 -
> @kle4 said:
> > @Ishmael_Z said:
> > > @John_McLean said:
> > > Ah! But is Williamson the innocent sacrifial lamb set up to protect the heavyweight guilty by being left out hanging to dry, or is he actually guilty? Who knows with this lot.
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> > Could you put a couple more metaphors in there, please?
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> Is Williamson the innocent sacrifial lamb set up to protect the heavyweight guilty by being left out hanging to dry, or is he actually guilty and May is shooting herself in the foot, digging her own grave or, taking her eye off the ball with Brexit by trying to ride two horses swimming upstream.
It's a game of two halves, Jeff0 -
> @AndyJS said:
> 27% of Peterborough voters signed the petition. That's a much higher percentage than most people were expecting. <
And it shows a LOT of contempt towards the Labour MP, and perhaps the Labour party.
If Farage or his party are ever going to win a seat, surely this is it. A heavily Leave voting city, angry at Labour AND Tories, no SNP or LDs to get in the way.0 -
> @williamglenn said:
> > @kle4 said:
> > > @TGOHF said:
> > > https://twitter.com/alibunkallsky/status/1123642678778957830
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> > Very definitive there indeed. Someone has either cocked up big time in fingering him, or he is confident he can tell a lie now and it won't be proven.
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> The journalist it was leaked to knows the truth...
Yes, but would they tell?0 -
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Strangely, I nearly posted a message earlier to say it was a quiet pol news day, as we await tomorrow's local election tory thrashing.
Now, my popcorn floweth over...0 -
Yes, but there’s a minimum period of service (3 years?) before a redundancy payment, so it doesn’t apply in this case as she was only elected in 2017.kle4 said:> @dyedwoolie said:
> > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > > @tlg86 said:
> > > Recall petition succeeds.
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> > Can the jail bird stand in the recall election?
>
> Yes and take a few off labour
With BP standing it should be fine for them.
Is it still the case you get a larger payment if you lose an election than if you do not contest?
If she’d been an MP for longer it would be worth her paying the deposit to get the redundancy payment - a loophole the legislators should have closed when they passed the recall act in the first place, I wonder why they didn’t?0 -
The petition % is more a sign of anger at all mps than at her in particular, although if course it's a big factor. Peterborough are speaking for the UK here0
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> @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > @CarlottaVance said:
> > Pretty emphatic:
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> > https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1123642749188808710
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> Given the turn out at the last GE was 48k and this hasn't been front page news, seems like there are quite a lot of pissed off people in Peterborough.
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Seen it pointed out today (can't remember where) that you know the result in advance if you know that the number of postal votes requested exceeds the threshold (which it did, easily), because votes can only be one way.Thayer5 said:> @AndyJS said:
> 27% of Peterborough voters signed the petition. That's a much higher percentage than most people were expecting. <
And it shows a LOT of contempt towards the Labour MP, and perhaps the Labour party.
If Farage or his party are ever going to win a seat, surely this is it. A heavily Leave voting city, angry at Labour AND Tories, no SNP or LDs to get in the way.0 -
Bollocks - she’s a crooked law breaking liar - who would want her as an MP.dyedwoolie said:The petition % is more a sign of anger at all mps than at her in particular, although if course it's a big factor. Peterborough are speaking for the UK here
She should be pelted in stocks in the town square.0 -
Great news for the local elections if you're not Labour or Tory0
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> @TGOHF said:
> https://twitter.com/alibunkallsky/status/1123642678778957830
Just when you thought this government couldn't get any more dysfunctional...0 -
> @dyedwoolie said:
> The petition % is more a sign of anger at all mps than at her in particular, although if course it's a big factor. Peterborough are speaking for the UK here
Bring on the Brexit Party.
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> @dyedwoolie said:
> The petition % is more a sign of anger at all mps than at her in particular, although if course it's a big factor. Peterborough are speaking for the UK here
Is there some sort of source to suggest that? Given both main parties would be very keen for her to go regardless now she was expelled from Labour, and given she is a convicted criminal, while I don't discount general discontent with MPs generally, without local knowledge it seems a reach to suggest it is the largest factor.0 -
> @kle4 said:
> > @AndyJS said:
> > 27% of Peterborough voters signed the petition. That's a much higher percentage than most people were expecting.
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> Encouraging stuff. Lawbreaking by MPs should be punished in such a fashion. Be interesting to see what the result of the next recall is.
Brecon & Radnor - suspect that might not be so emphatic. There was no prison term and no personal gain. Illegal - absolutely - but not as serious.0 -
> @rottenborough said:
> > @TGOHF said:
> > https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1123645346515701760
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> Hmmm. Seems a pretty stupid thing for a Cabinet Sec to do imho.
That doesn't rule it out though.0 -
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So, who has Farage got lined up for the by-election? It’s not going to be a co-incidence that his next rally is in Peterborough.0
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> @oxfordsimon said:
> > @kle4 said:
> > > @AndyJS said:
> > > 27% of Peterborough voters signed the petition. That's a much higher percentage than most people were expecting.
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> > Encouraging stuff. Lawbreaking by MPs should be punished in such a fashion. Be interesting to see what the result of the next recall is.
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> Brecon & Radnor - suspect that might not be so emphatic. There was no prison term and no personal gain. Illegal - absolutely - but not as serious.
And not a mystery Russian in site.0 -
George GallowaySandpit said:So, who has Farage got lined up for the by-election? It’s not going to be a co-incidence that his next rally is in Peterborough.
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Large personal votes generally don't exist even for real longstanding MPs, let alone for someone who's only been an MP for two years and who was forced out in disgrace.dyedwoolie said:> @Danny565 said:
> > @dyedwoolie said:
> > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > > > @tlg86 said:
> > > > Recall petition succeeds.
> > >
> > > Can the jail bird stand in the recall election?
> >
> > Yes and take a few off labour
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> Lol, why would anyone vote for her?
Politically disinterested who vote and just know her name as their mp, its worth a few. Plus she will gave some personal support
If she's lucky, she'll match Simon Danczuk's 2%.0 -
Well we are probably losing Fiona's vote. Maybe a few family members, a best friend or two. Perhaps a boyfriend/husband. Maybe even her local mechanic and the guy who runs her local corner shop.Danny565 said:> @dyedwoolie said:
> > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > > @tlg86 said:
> > > Recall petition succeeds.
> >
> > Can the jail bird stand in the recall election?
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> Yes and take a few off labour
Lol, why would anyone vote for her?
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> @TGOHF said:
> The petition % is more a sign of anger at all mps than at her in particular, although if course it's a big factor. Peterborough are speaking for the UK here
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> Bollocks - she’s a crooked law breaking liar - who would want her as an MP.
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> She should be pelted in stocks in the town square.
Yes she should but that doesn't alter the fact that the high % is an indication of anger at politicians, rather than localised fury about speeding points evasion. Yes they are voting to recall her, but in numbers consistent with generalized political anger0 -
> @oxfordsimon said:
> > @kle4 said:
> > > @AndyJS said:
> > > 27% of Peterborough voters signed the petition. That's a much higher percentage than most people were expecting.
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> > Encouraging stuff. Lawbreaking by MPs should be punished in such a fashion. Be interesting to see what the result of the next recall is.
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> Brecon & Radnor - suspect that might not be so emphatic. There was no prison term and no personal gain. Illegal - absolutely - but not as serious.
And of course one of the big parties has less incentive to encourage petitioners!0 -
> @AndyJS said:
> Interesting that Williamson is denying he's the guilty party.
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> https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1123637293577797632
I think you take him at his word which means there will be a second sacking when they find the real culprit. Mario Puzo eat your heart out0 -
> @oxfordsimon said:
> > @kle4 said:
> > > @AndyJS said:
> > > 27% of Peterborough voters signed the petition. That's a much higher percentage than most people were expecting.
> >
> > Encouraging stuff. Lawbreaking by MPs should be punished in such a fashion. Be interesting to see what the result of the next recall is.
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> Brecon & Radnor - suspect that might not be so emphatic. There was no prison term and no personal gain. Illegal - absolutely - but not as serious.
I think Brecon & Radnor will be very close to the 10% level.0 -
> @oxfordsimon said:
> > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > > @CarlottaVance said:
> > > Pretty emphatic:
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> > > https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1123642749188808710
> >
> > Given the turn out at the last GE was 48k and this hasn't been front page news, seems like there are quite a lot of pissed off people in Peterborough.
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> YES!!!
Awesome. Well done Peterborough.
I reckon that makes Brecon eminently achievable.0 -
> @John_McLean said:
> Ah! But is Williamson the innocent sacrifial lamb set up to protect the heavyweight guilty by being left out hanging to dry, or is he actually guilty? Who knows with this lot.
<sarcasm>
Yes, because this lot is competent enough to organise something like that.
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The ordure has hit the fan.CarlottaVance said:Someone's upset:
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1123641885849944064
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I think Onasanya should be billed for the cost of running the recall petition
She should have quit immediately upon entering prison. We shouldn't pay for her ego/delusion0 -
<i>In our meeting this evening, I put to you the latest information from the investigation, which provides compelling evidence suggesting your responsibility for the unauthorised disclosure. No other, credible version of events to explain this leak has been identified.</i>
That doesn't exactly sound like a smoking gun.0
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