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So Boles is going to sit alone as an Independent Progressive Conservative0
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Yep - especially when no deal is a clusterf*ckSouthamObserver said:
Yep, Labour is likely to pick up most of the votes of those who oppose No Deal once an election comes. My guess is there’ll be more of them than support No Deal.MaxPB said:
We won't, our party has tried to ram it through parliament three times, our PM offered her resignation to get it done. We've done our part. Labour will take the hit, especially given that it's their voters that oppose no deal the most and they have consistently voted against the deal on offer which avoids no deal.SouthamObserver said:
Labour will get next to no blame. They should do, but the Tories will own No Deal.MaxPB said:
Indeed. It's a completely stupid argument from Labour supporters. Asking the government to whip in favour of positions it opposes whilst similarly offering nothing close to that on the government's position.Sean_F said:
May can be criticised for many things, but allowing her junior ministers and MP's to vote as they wish is not one of them.MaxPB said:
Rubbish, she gave the party a free vote. More than can be said for Labour MPs when the PM's deal comes to the house. Labour are cowards who want no deal.Jonathan said:May, once again, caused this by forcing her cabinet to abstain and not using the whip to back a compromise.
Labour MPs are signing the no deal paperwork along with the ERG, they will get the blame. Especially now that Parliament has rejected all other options.0 -
The number of people who don't get this is a parody account, and think that Donald Tusk has the twitter handle 'Donald Tusk not', gives me no hope for humanity at all.Floater said:
He can fuck right offScott_P said:
PS anyone know who shouted "YES" in the HoC on the announcement of 280 Ayes for the Kyle amendment, only to find Noes got 292?0 -
Huw Merriman the 'don't go' man apparently.0
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The SNP are starting to sniff another Independence referendum I reckon.0
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1 Deputy SpeakerTheValiant said:Questions to the brains trusts....
Wikipedia says Con seat total is 312.
I make it 318 elected. Lose 1 for Bercow, 3 to the Tiggers and 1 for Nick Boles this evening. Who is the other one?0 -
I've chosen April to quit drinking.
Why.
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The hypocrisy of Corbyn's Labour is a wonder to behold.Pulpstar said:
May stripped out the entire political declaration !!! You know the bit Corbyn had an issue with, then he opposed it. Oh of course he opposed it... on the basis it was a .............. "blindfold Brexit".Jonathan said:
When the policy has been defeated three times you friggin’ change it.Sean_F said:
No, it's totally unreasonable to expect a government to whip against its own policy. Allowing a free vote is as much as one can reasonably expect.Jonathan said:
She ain’t listening. It’s just more brinkmanship in pursuit of her lousy deal. She could end this at any time, by whipping either of today’s top options. She doesn’t because she would lose her right wing. It’s carefully constructed.Richard_Nabavi said:
Exactly, it's absolutely hilarious as a criticism. Previously @Jonathan has been blaming her for not listening and trying to force her view of things on MPs. Now he's criticising her for letting MPs say what they want rather than telling them what to do.Sean_F said:
May can be criticised for many things, but allowing her junior ministers and MP's to vote as they wish is not one of them.MaxPB said:
Rubbish, she gave the party a free vote. More than can be said for Labour MPs when the PM's deal comes to the house. Labour are cowards who want no deal.Jonathan said:May, once again, caused this by forcing her cabinet to abstain and not using the whip to back a compromise.
Anything we do requires the WA to be passed, and you accuse May of not compromising ?!
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Who is more despised on PB - Burgon or Francois ?RochdalePioneers said:Oh fuck. That waste of skin Burgon is on Newsnight
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kle4 said:
You haven't already stocked up? Ooh boy, you will be shit out of luck I am afraid.FrancisUrquhart said:Does this mean I need to head back to CostCo for a years supply of bog roll?
Can you pick up a sack of popcorn too? Kthxbai0 -
It appears even the Lib Dems and SNP are not immune from the stresses, unless there's an obvious reason I'm missing.kle4 said:Is it true not all SNP MPs voted the same way? I apologise to them, I didn't think that was possible.
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That's the problem, people are rejecting something they could compromise on, for the one thing they do want.rottenborough said:
This is on all of them.0 -
I think the idea that if Scotland left there would be a built in Tory majority is wishful thinking. What I believe would happen - though I have no evidence for it - is that there would be a rebalancing of public opinion and we would end up pretty much back at the sort of party ratios we have seen over the last 40 or 50 years.SouthamObserver said:
Fair point. The break-up of the UK could do the trick in the abstract, but the practical consequences of that happening are less predictable IMO.HYUFD said:
By losing Scotland, which is very likely if No Deal, England had a Tory majority of 60 at the last general election. Even England and Wales alone had a Tory majority of 36.SouthamObserver said:
And thus the Cameron project to modernise the Conservative Party finally dies. I don’t see how the “traditional” one in alliance with hard right English nationalism gets an electoral majority ever again.TheScreamingEagles said:
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I thought they didn't want either?Foxy said:
DUP are not bothered by a border on land, they don't want one at sea.rottenborough said:
Aren't the DUP going to notice, at some point, that No Deal/WTO crapfest involves a harder border than anything they tell their kids at bedtime as a horror story?kle4 said:
And being closer to winning presumably puts more of them in the Drax position of being less willing to give the WA another shot.Cyclefree said:So the ERG are even closer now to winning, aren’t they? No Deal inches closer. Barely a week to go.
Parliament really has disappointed when it has 'taken control'. First they didn't pass Letwin the first time even though May and co had messed everything up, then both votes after Letwin nothing passes! Multi stage, sure, but don't tell me they expected that.0 -
Do we have to choose?another_richard said:
Who is more despised on PB - Burgon or Francois ?RochdalePioneers said:Oh fuck. That waste of skin Burgon is on Newsnight
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If anything May’s deal will go backwards now that ‘No Deal’ is an option again.edmundintokyo said:
I don't think anybody should be objecting to repeated votes on things at this point sinceRochdalePioneers said:
No. Fuck off Matt. You've been defeated massively three times .it's dead. As is your governmentrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1112828152814997505
Answers on a postcard.
* Something needs to pass
* Everything has failed at least once
* Things are getting closer on subsequent votes0 -
And yet we still have no deal...Danny565 said:
LMAO at people still pushing this line.viewcode said:
Corbyn will offer anything and everything, except for anything that would be accepted or would in any way prevent No Deal. He is Leave's most doughty defender.Richard_Nabavi said:
He's moved towards her position? Really?Jonathan said:
They both need to find a position they can agree. May takes the blame because she has not moved a millimetre. Corbyn has moved.Richard_Nabavi said:
Err, you don't seem to have quite taken into account the fact that Corbyn could have ended this at any time (since November) by whipping his MPs to back the deal which is actually on the table, or even giving them a free vote. After all the deal on the table is almost exactly consistent with Labour's stated policy. So I'd be interested in your justification for blaming her and not him for the impasse.Jonathan said:
She ain’t listening. It’s just more brinkmanship in pursuit of her lousy deal. She could end this at any time, by whipping either of today’s top options. She doesn’t because she would lose her right wing.Richard_Nabavi said:
Exactly, it's absolutely hilarious as a criticism. Previously @Jonathan has been blaming her for not listening and trying to force her view of things on MPs. Now he's criticising her for letting MPs say what they want rather than telling them what to do.Sean_F said:
May can be criticised for many things, but allowing her junior ministers and MP's to vote as they wish is not one of them.MaxPB said:
Rubbish, she gave the party a free vote. More than can be said for Labour MPs when the PM's deal comes to the house. Labour are cowards who want no deal.Jonathan said:May, once again, caused this by forcing her cabinet to abstain and not using the whip to back a compromise.
If Corbyn 'wanted' No Deal, it literally would've happened by now. Without him putting Labour in support of the Caroline Spelman motion blocking No Deal, it wouldn't have passed, and we would've automatically left the EU last Friday...0 -
WTF are the 7% thinking?williamglenn said:0 -
'Last week this amendment won the most votes'.rottenborough said:
So they should approve whatever got the most votes, eh? May would like a word0 -
It was Huw Merrimanralphmalph said:
Sounded like Rory to me.Casino_Royale said:
Who’s the Tory MP who appealed to Nick not to go?TheScreamingEagles said:I'm feeling a lot like Nick Boles at the moment.
We could do worse.Floater said:
Can we vote for Cyclefree instead?RochdalePioneers said:We now have the massive splits in direction showing in all parties (bar DUP and SNP). Impossible to pull a party together never mind parties.
So we'll have increased rowing. More resignations. We'll crash out with no deal. And then a general election where both major parties are lead by useless deadweight idiots most MPs want shut of with a policy platform of Fuck Knows
There’s more sense talked on this forum than comes out of most MPs’ mouths.
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That's because most tories support Mays deal... no brainerJonathan said:
(or no deal, both of which weren't voted on).0 -
Can't we have the two of them shot into the sun?another_richard said:
Who is more despised on PB - Burgon or Francois ?RochdalePioneers said:Oh fuck. That waste of skin Burgon is on Newsnight
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Honestly, you're kidding yourself just like all those Tory supporters were when May revealed the dementia tax/house snatching. Labour get fucked even worse by no deal than we do.SouthamObserver said:
Yep, Labour is likely to pick up most of the votes of those who oppose No Deal once an election comes. My guess is there’ll be more of them than support No Deal.MaxPB said:
We won't, our party has tried to ram it through parliament three times, our PM offered her resignation to get it done. We've done our part. Labour will take the hit, especially given that it's their voters that oppose no deal the most and they have consistently voted against the deal on offer which avoids no deal.SouthamObserver said:
Labour will get next to no blame. They should do, but the Tories will own No Deal.MaxPB said:
Indeed. It's a completely stupid argument from Labour supporters. Asking the government to whip in favour of positions it opposes whilst similarly offering nothing close to that on the government's position.Sean_F said:
May can be criticised for many things, but allowing her junior ministers and MP's to vote as they wish is not one of them.MaxPB said:
Rubbish, she gave the party a free vote. More than can be said for Labour MPs when the PM's deal comes to the house. Labour are cowards who want no deal.Jonathan said:May, once again, caused this by forcing her cabinet to abstain and not using the whip to back a compromise.
Labour MPs are signing the no deal paperwork along with the ERG, they will get the blame. Especially now that Parliament has rejected all other options.0 -
Are you saying it’s the boost for May the times is declaring, or more boost for the 200 MPs manage no deal trying to force her hand?Big_G_NorthWales said:I would assume the ERG are on top of the world tonight as the legislation to stop no deal and approve our participation in the EU elections will not receive royal assent by a week on friday
TM attending the EU brexit crisis meeting on the 10th April will have the EU in a spin and the Irish Border will become the EU and Varadkar's worst nightmare, as they either put up a border or agree to no borders as predicted by the ERG and DUP
I would expect some form of transistion to no deal
It is more than possible, but equally HMG could have fallen in the meantime
I don’t think we are in position on 10th where EU have no answer to backstop. Heads of France and Germany working on it this week, likely no change at first, checks away from border later. Which if you don’t like idea of managed no deal is quite worrying?0 -
Until the election.....IanB2 said:So Boles is going to sit alone as an Independent Progressive Conservative
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He just made a reasonable point on Newsnight, and now I don't know what to do.another_richard said:
Who is more despised on PB - Burgon or Francois ?RochdalePioneers said:Oh fuck. That waste of skin Burgon is on Newsnight
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They need to pick their second favourite now, that’s the point.Slackbladder said:
That's because most tories support Mays deal... no brainerJonathan said:0 -
And neither of those routes solve anything because they absences of decisions rather than decisions that could be agreed with or rejected.kinabalu said:Bit of a farce as expected. 2 routes from here IMO -
1. Pass the WA only. Leave. New Tory leader. General Election.
2. Extension. New Tory leader. General Election.
In (1) the election decides the Future Relationship.
In (2) the election decides whether we have another Referendum.
Regrettably it's coming up to shock therapy where the threat of No Deal chaos (and let's not use "managed" euphimisms) or the real thing will panic politicians into some course of action.0 -
Alcohol, by the sound of it.Gallowgate said:So realistically what should one panic buy? Ive got toilet roll, pasta, tinned food and bottled water. What am I missing?
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A knife, to 'persuade' those who have stocked up on things you've missed.Gallowgate said:So realistically what should one panic buy? Ive got toilet roll, pasta, tinned food and bottled water. What am I missing?
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"Making" - no, already was?Ishmael_Z said:
WTF are the 7% thinking?williamglenn said:0 -
I went for a curry with someone last week who knows Francois
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Good luck with that, Max!MaxPB said:
Honestly, you're kidding yourself just like all those Tory supporters were when May revealed the dementia tax/house snatching. Labour get fucked even worse by no deal than we do.SouthamObserver said:
Yep, Labour is likely to pick up most of the votes of those who oppose No Deal once an election comes. My guess is there’ll be more of them than support No Deal.MaxPB said:
We won't, our party has tried to ram it through parliament three times, our PM offered her resignation to get it done. We've done our part. Labour will take the hit, especially given that it's their voters that oppose no deal the most and they have consistently voted against the deal on offer which avoids no deal.SouthamObserver said:
Labour will get next to no blame. They should do, but the Tories will own No Deal.MaxPB said:
Indeed. It's a completely stupid argument from Labour supporters. Asking the government to whip in favour of positions it opposes whilst similarly offering nothing close to that on the government's position.Sean_F said:
May can be criticised for many things, but allowing her junior ministers and MP's to vote as they wish is not one of them.MaxPB said:
Rubbish, she gave the party a free vote. More than can be said for Labour MPs when the PM's deal comes to the house. Labour are cowards who want no deal.Jonathan said:May, once again, caused this by forcing her cabinet to abstain and not using the whip to back a compromise.
Labour MPs are signing the no deal paperwork along with the ERG, they will get the blame. Especially now that Parliament has rejected all other options.
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There's already over a hundred Tories going for their second favourite, it's called "May's deal"Jonathan said:
They need to pick their second favourite now, that’s the point.Slackbladder said:
That's because most tories support Mays deal... no brainerJonathan said:0 -
Console yourself with the thought Francois never will.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
He just made a reasonable point on Newsnight, and now I don't know what to do.another_richard said:
Who is more despised on PB - Burgon or Francois ?RochdalePioneers said:Oh fuck. That waste of skin Burgon is on Newsnight
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She didn't.Pulpstar said:
May stripped out the entire political declaration !!! You know the bit Corbyn had an issue with, then he opposed it. Oh of course he opposed it... on the basis it was a .............. "blindfold Brexit".Jonathan said:
When the policy has been defeated three times you friggin’ change it.Sean_F said:
No, it's totally unreasonable to expect a government to whip against its own policy. Allowing a free vote is as much as one can reasonably expect.Jonathan said:
She ain’t listening. It’s just more brinkmanship in pursuit of her lousy deal. She could end this at any time, by whipping either of today’s top options. She doesn’t because she would lose her right wing. It’s carefully constructed.Richard_Nabavi said:
Exactly, it's absolutely hilarious as a criticism. Previously @Jonathan has been blaming her for not listening and trying to force her view of things on MPs. Now he's criticising her for letting MPs say what they want rather than telling them what to do.Sean_F said:
May can be criticised for many things, but allowing her junior ministers and MP's to vote as they wish is not one of them.MaxPB said:
Rubbish, she gave the party a free vote. More than can be said for Labour MPs when the PM's deal comes to the house. Labour are cowards who want no deal.Jonathan said:May, once again, caused this by forcing her cabinet to abstain and not using the whip to back a compromise.
Anything we do requires the WA to be passed, and you accuse May of not compromising ?!0 -
There were those two Tories suspended, who May let back again to participate in her confidence vote - I believe one of them is suspended againTheWhiteRabbit said:
Bercow.TheValiant said:Questions to the brains trusts....
Wikipedia says Con seat total is 312.
I make it 318 elected. Lose 1 for Bercow, 3 to the Tiggers and 1 for Nick Boles this evening. Who is the other one?0 -
They'll all be late then. This weekend is the last shopping trip before le deluge.RochdalePioneers said:
It'll start next Thursday when it's clear from the EU Summit that they are washing their hands of usrottenborough said:
Very wise.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Might double up the Sainsbo's delivery again this week. Don't want to run low on pineapple.rottenborough said:
My mother, who is veteran stockpiler from the 1970s, when we last tried to burn our own country to the ground, informs me that the main toilet paper manufacturers have an enormous stockpile ready.kle4 said:
You haven't already stocked up? Ooh boy, you will be shit out of luck I am afraid.FrancisUrquhart said:Does this mean I need to head back to CostCo for a years supply of bog roll?
Brie is another matter.
I have been astonished that the panic buying has not started.
Clearly, that's my age, and vast majority under 55 think the old just in time supply system is the god given right of any free born englishman who has a wifi connection.0 -
Why? No one else is.Jonathan said:
They need to pick their second favourite now, that’s the point.Slackbladder said:
That's because most tories support Mays deal... no brainerJonathan said:0 -
I don't want a GE until the end of the Peterborough recall petition.
I want her to be kicked out. We need to see that justice happen.0 -
They were given a free vote. Let's see Labour do the same when some repackaged version of the WA comes back around in a few days.Jonathan said:
They need to pick their second favourite now, that’s the point.Slackbladder said:
That's because most tories support Mays deal... no brainerJonathan said:0 -
Quite a lot of MPs (including Corbyn) voted for multiple options tonight, actually.Slackbladder said:
Why? No one else is.Jonathan said:
They need to pick their second favourite now, that’s the point.Slackbladder said:
That's because most tories support Mays deal... no brainerJonathan said:0 -
Of course it is - they have the gall to call themselves public servants.Slackbladder said:
That's the problem, people are rejecting something they could compromise on, for the one thing they do want.rottenborough said:
This is on all of them.0 -
Anne Widdecombe says it's the worst Prime Minister since Eden, worst opposition leader in the history of the Labour party, and worst Parliament since Cromwell.0
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Who needs panic buying when you have Amazon Prime?rottenborough said:
Very wise.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Might double up the Sainsbo's delivery again this week. Don't want to run low on pineapple.rottenborough said:
My mother, who is veteran stockpiler from the 1970s, when we last tried to burn our own country to the ground, informs me that the main toilet paper manufacturers have an enormous stockpile ready.kle4 said:
You haven't already stocked up? Ooh boy, you will be shit out of luck I am afraid.FrancisUrquhart said:Does this mean I need to head back to CostCo for a years supply of bog roll?
Brie is another matter.
I have been astonished that the panic buying has not started.
Clearly, that's my age, and vast majority under 55 think the old just in time supply system is the god given right of any free born englishman who has a wifi connection.0 -
Yes, confirmed by the man himself.Theuniondivvie said:Huw Merriman the 'don't go' man apparently.
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A regular Nobby no-mates - at least until the next GE when he is unlikely to be asked to grace HoC with his presence.IanB2 said:So Boles is going to sit alone as an Independent Progressive Conservative
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Oh I get that. Whilst I don't think it right the government gets to have multiple goes, it's also not right that the other options keep going round and round.edmundintokyo said:
I don't think anybody should be objecting to repeated votes on things at this point sinceRochdalePioneers said:
No. Fuck off Matt. You've been defeated massively three times .it's dead. As is your governmentrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1112828152814997505
Answers on a postcard.
* Something needs to pass
* Everything has failed at least once
* Things are getting closer on subsequent votes
No deal. Revoke. General Election. They remain the choices. Or, my prediction no deal and then a general election.
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Unfair on Eden.williamglenn said:Anne Widdecombe says it's the worst Prime Minister since Eden, worst opposition leader in the history of the Labour party, and worst Parliament since Cromwell.
Worst PM since Lord North at least. And that might be unfair on Lord North.0 -
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1112836136165146626
Or GE.
The Cabinet decide tomorrow (although they will pretend May has another go first).0 -
I was expressing a logic to the chain of events over the next 10 daysdots said:
Are you saying it’s the boost for May the times is declaring, or more boost for the 200 MPs manage no deal trying to force her hand?Big_G_NorthWales said:I would assume the ERG are on top of the world tonight as the legislation to stop no deal and approve our participation in the EU elections will not receive royal assent by a week on friday
TM attending the EU brexit crisis meeting on the 10th April will have the EU in a spin and the Irish Border will become the EU and Varadkar's worst nightmare, as they either put up a border or agree to no borders as predicted by the ERG and DUP
I would expect some form of transistion to no deal
It is more than possible, but equally HMG could have fallen in the meantime
I don’t think we are in position on 10th where EU have no answer to backstop. Heads of France and Germany working on it this week, likely no change at first, checks away from border later. Which if you don’t like idea of managed no deal is quite worrying?
On a personal level I totally reject no deal and want the WDA approved, thereby allowing this country to go into transistion on the 22nd May0 -
Hmmm - I'm sure you are joking but not the wisest of posts.kle4 said:
A knife, to 'persuade' those who have stocked up on things you've missed.Gallowgate said:So realistically what should one panic buy? Ive got toilet roll, pasta, tinned food and bottled water. What am I missing?
Ignore toilet roll - there really is so problem with that.
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Wasn't Peston predicting various options would pass?rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1112836136165146626
Or GE.
The Cabinet decide tomorrow (although they will pretend May has another go first).0 -
Oh sure. But panic buying starts orecizepr because it is too laterottenborough said:
They'll all be late then. This weekend is the last shopping trip before le deluge.RochdalePioneers said:
It'll start next Thursday when it's clear from the EU Summit that they are washing their hands of usrottenborough said:
Very wise.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Might double up the Sainsbo's delivery again this week. Don't want to run low on pineapple.rottenborough said:
My mother, who is veteran stockpiler from the 1970s, when we last tried to burn our own country to the ground, informs me that the main toilet paper manufacturers have an enormous stockpile ready.kle4 said:
You haven't already stocked up? Ooh boy, you will be shit out of luck I am afraid.FrancisUrquhart said:Does this mean I need to head back to CostCo for a years supply of bog roll?
Brie is another matter.
I have been astonished that the panic buying has not started.
Clearly, that's my age, and vast majority under 55 think the old just in time supply system is the god given right of any free born englishman who has a wifi connection.0 -
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Which of Cromwell's parliaments was the worse, did she say?williamglenn said:Anne Widdecombe says it's the worst Prime Minister since Eden, worst opposition leader in the history of the Labour party, and worst Parliament since Cromwell.
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I'm not one for violence, but I'd stand in a queue all day long to punch him in the face.Nigelb said:
Console yourself with the thought Francois never will.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
He just made a reasonable point on Newsnight, and now I don't know what to do.another_richard said:
Who is more despised on PB - Burgon or Francois ?RochdalePioneers said:Oh fuck. That waste of skin Burgon is on Newsnight
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Your party is watching no deal happen. Your supporters want to avoid no deal. A free vote on MV3 would have seen it pass and we'd have avoided no deal and the options for the future relationship would be completely open for whatever customs union or other Labour policy proposal to spring on the government during the final votes, bit you didn't. Your party decided to vote it down. Taking us another step closer to no deal. Cowards.SouthamObserver said:
Good luck with that, Max!MaxPB said:
Honestly, you're kidding yourself just like all those Tory supporters were when May revealed the dementia tax/house snatching. Labour get fucked even worse by no deal than we do.SouthamObserver said:
Yep, Labour is likely to pick up most of the votes of those who oppose No Deal once an election comes. My guess is there’ll be more of them than support No Deal.MaxPB said:
We won't, our party has tried to ram it through parliament three times, our PM offered her resignation to get it done. We've done our part. Labour will take the hit, especially given that it's their voters that oppose no deal the most and they have consistently voted against the deal on offer which avoids no deal.SouthamObserver said:
Labour will get next to no blame. They should do, but the Tories will own No Deal.MaxPB said:
Indeed. It's a completely stupid argument from Labour supporters. Asking the government to whip in favour of positions it opposes whilst similarly offering nothing close to that on the government's position.Sean_F said:
May can be criticised for many things, but allowing her junior ministers and MP's to vote as they wish is not one of them.MaxPB said:
Rubbish, she gave the party a free vote. More than can be said for Labour MPs when the PM's deal comes to the house. Labour are cowards who want no deal.Jonathan said:May, once again, caused this by forcing her cabinet to abstain and not using the whip to back a compromise.
Labour MPs are signing the no deal paperwork along with the ERG, they will get the blame. Especially now that Parliament has rejected all other options.0 -
Lord North I reckon. Although there is always the Chamberlain factor.Philip_Thompson said:
Unfair on Eden.williamglenn said:Anne Widdecombe says it's the worst Prime Minister since Eden, worst opposition leader in the history of the Labour party, and worst Parliament since Cromwell.
Worst PM since Lord North at least. And that might be unfair on Lord North.0 -
What if MPs could vote on May's deal via the bits of paper, anonymously.
How many would cast for it?0 -
Absolutely. Labour did its bit. If Corbyn can whip for Ken Clarke he has moved a loooooong way.Danny565 said:
Quite a lot of MPs (including Corbyn) voted for multiple options tonight, actually.Slackbladder said:
Why? No one else is.Jonathan said:
They need to pick their second favourite now, that’s the point.Slackbladder said:
That's because most tories support Mays deal... no brainerJonathan said:0 -
It's at times like this I can understand the appeal of military coups0
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Tell it to Bercow. Not that the general rule is a bad one, but these are exceptional circumstances, and as you say something needs to pass.edmundintokyo said:
I don't think anybody should be objecting to repeated votes on things at this point sinceRochdalePioneers said:
No. Fuck off Matt. You've been defeated massively three times .it's dead. As is your governmentrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1112828152814997505
Answers on a postcard.
* Something needs to pass
* Everything has failed at least once
* Things are getting closer on subsequent votes
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No, that's not it. It doesn't count Deputy Speakers.No_Offence_Alan said:
1 Deputy Speaker. Labour lose 2 Deputy speakers.TheValiant said:Questions to the brains trusts....
Wikipedia says Con seat total is 312.
I make it 318 elected. Lose 1 for Bercow, 3 to the Tiggers and 1 for Nick Boles this evening. Who is the other one?
Ah, it's been fixed now. Says 313. I think too many editors took Nick Boles off twice.0 -
The second favourite of 200+ Conservative MPs is either May's Deal or No Deal.Jonathan said:
They need to pick their second favourite now, that’s the point.Slackbladder said:
That's because most tories support Mays deal... no brainerJonathan said:0 -
Tory MPs coalescing around full fat brexit without any remainery lean?rottenborough said:0 -
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£ has dropped 0.5% against the $ and Euro tonight
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7% too busy crying to laugh.Ishmael_Z said:
WTF are the 7% thinking?williamglenn said:0 -
Anyone who could vote for an idiot who says such a thing is also an idiot.Scott_P said:
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QTWTAINrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1112837247093653504
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Then give labour MPs a free vote when MV4 comes back. The government just did it for Tory MPs. Loads of them voted for the customs union which is against current policy.Jonathan said:
Absolutely. Labour did it’s bit. If Corbyn can whip for Ken Clarke he has moved a loooooong way.Danny565 said:
Quite a lot of MPs (including Corbyn) voted for multiple options tonight, actually.Slackbladder said:
Why? No one else is.Jonathan said:
They need to pick their second favourite now, that’s the point.Slackbladder said:
That's because most tories support Mays deal... no brainerJonathan said:0 -
No. No...he, he didn't really say that did he?! My brain is exploding right now.Scott_P said:0 -
Lets keep that in mind for if Corbyn gets in :-)RochdalePioneers said:It's at times like this I can understand the appeal of military coups
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https://twitter.com/gavinshuker/status/1112839301459595264
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I think you're right and if that happens the ERG and DUP should be lauded as heroes.Big_G_NorthWales said:I would assume the ERG are on top of the world tonight as the legislation to stop no deal and approve our participation in the EU elections will not receive royal assent by a week on friday
TM attending the EU brexit crisis meeting on the 10th April will have the EU in a spin and the Irish Border will become the EU and Varadkar's worst nightmare, as they either put up a border or agree to no borders as predicted by the ERG and DUP
I would expect some form of transistion to no deal
It is more than possible, but equally HMG could have fallen in the meantime
It is a win/win scenario.
The EU puts up a border and Varadkar will be slaughtered for screwing this up and they'll want a deal to get the border back down and goodbye backstop.
Or more likely as the ERG/DUP have said all along they don't put up a border, the bluff is called. Talks can begin to get a deal without the backstop.
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Ever so easy not to actually take a position on somethingDanny565 said:
Quite a lot of MPs (including Corbyn) voted for multiple options tonight, actually.Slackbladder said:
Why? No one else is.Jonathan said:
They need to pick their second favourite now, that’s the point.Slackbladder said:
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Why the disguise of a 'final ultimatum'? That's already been tried, if they think no deal is the way to go just bloody say so upfront.Scott_P said:0 -
Mays deal lost three times. The onus is on the govt to offer something new. Perhaps something for the opposition this time. You know what we want. Protection for jobs and protection against what we see a deregulated free market Brexit. The right wing ultras will have to lose some of their so called trade deals. Go on, give it a try.MaxPB said:
Then give labour MPs a free vote when MV4 comes back. The government just did it for Tory MPs. Loads of them voted for the customs union which is against current policy.Jonathan said:
Absolutely. Labour did it’s bit. If Corbyn can whip for Ken Clarke he has moved a loooooong way.Danny565 said:
Quite a lot of MPs (including Corbyn) voted for multiple options tonight, actually.Slackbladder said:
Why? No one else is.Jonathan said:
They need to pick their second favourite now, that’s the point.Slackbladder said:
That's because most tories support Mays deal... no brainerJonathan said:0 -
eh?Pulpstar said:Surprise Derbyshire votes -
Toby Perkins voted against PV, but Dennis Skinner for !0 -
Barebones’ I should imagine.kle4 said:
Which of Cromwell's parliaments was the worse, did she say?williamglenn said:Anne Widdecombe says it's the worst Prime Minister since Eden, worst opposition leader in the history of the Labour party, and worst Parliament since Cromwell.
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Gallows humour does not have any impact on present societal ills.Floater said:
Hmmm - I'm sure you are joking but not the wisest of posts.kle4 said:
A knife, to 'persuade' those who have stocked up on things you've missed.Gallowgate said:So realistically what should one panic buy? Ive got toilet roll, pasta, tinned food and bottled water. What am I missing?
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The Common Market 2.0 criticism of People Vote MPs is classic pot kettle black name-calling. They're both as bad as each other - "you have to compromise by agreeing with me" is astonishingly infantile.0
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Fury Brexit?solarflare said:
This is ultimately becoming the problem. Everything in the end is going to be massively discredited as an option. Everything's taking a beating.kle4 said:
How many defeats is permissable, in your eyes? Everything has been defeated multiple times.RochdalePioneers said:
No. Fuck off Matt. You've been defeated massively three times .it's dead. As is your governmentrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1112828152814997505
Answers on a postcard.
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I am disappointed in the way Boles reacted tonight. He has behaved in a generally reasonable manner as far as Brexit itself is concerned but his tendency to stamp off in a strop when he doesn't get his way as he did noth in his constituency and then again tonight show a real deep character flaw.AmpfieldAndy said:
A regular Nobby no-mates - at least until the next GE when he is unlikely to be asked to grace HoC with his presence.IanB2 said:So Boles is going to sit alone as an Independent Progressive Conservative
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There is no other deal on offer from the EU. It is entirely appropriate to offer their deal again before we default to No Deal.Jonathan said:
Mays deal lost three times. The onus is on the govt to offer something new. Perhaps something for the opposition this time. You know what we want. Protection for jobs and protection against what we see a deregulated free market Brexit. The right wing ultras will have to lose some of their so called trade deals. Go on, give it a try.MaxPB said:
Then give labour MPs a free vote when MV4 comes back. The government just did it for Tory MPs. Loads of them voted for the customs union which is against current policy.Jonathan said:
Absolutely. Labour did it’s bit. If Corbyn can whip for Ken Clarke he has moved a loooooong way.Danny565 said:
Quite a lot of MPs (including Corbyn) voted for multiple options tonight, actually.Slackbladder said:
Why? No one else is.Jonathan said:
They need to pick their second favourite now, that’s the point.Slackbladder said:
That's because most tories support Mays deal... no brainerJonathan said:0 -
Just checked, Perkins voted for PV. Sorry, duff info.rottenborough said:
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