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So tax down, subsidies up. At a time when the debt is large. I can't help thinking that this is not a good plan,kjohnw said:
we could reduce our corporation tax rates to the lowest in Europe to make us attractive to foreign investment and subsidise our manufacturing industry to compete with Germany for starterswilliamglenn said:
Can you describe how you think No Deal would energise the economy?JoeJamesBroughton said:
Brtiain wants to be inspired.
I'm convinced the economy would be energised with No deal.0 -
This is such idiocy. The UK would not win a trade war with the EU, and you are ignoring the immediate negative shock from disruption of existing supply chains.kjohnw said:
in a no deal brexit we would need to go to war economically with Europe, that's not socialism , its survivalTheScreamingEagles said:
Subsidising manufacturing?kjohnw said:
we could reduce our corporation tax rates to the lowest in Europe to make us attractive to foreign investment and subsidise our manufacturing industry to compete with Germany for starterswilliamglenn said:
Can you describe how you think No Deal would energise the economy?JoeJamesBroughton said:
Brtiain wants to be inspired.
I'm convinced the economy would be energised with No deal.
You sir are a socialist and Margaret Thatcher would kick your arse for such economic heresy.0 -
GE 2019. Now dropped to 1.850
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Does each option get to spend the weekend in boot camp at the judges house?HYUFD said:Letwin amendment passes Newsnight saying could be huge.
The Commons will vote on Brexit first preferences on Wednesday then on Monday if no majority preferential voting to find a winner, then next Wednesday Letwin will introduce a Bill to force the Government to implement the Commons vote0 -
Absinthe.solarflare said:
What alternatives to popcorn are thereAlastairMeeks said:Are we having fun yet?
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Ah, the Venezuela plan! What could possibly go wrong?viewcode said:
So tax down, subsidies up. At a time when the debt is large. I can't help thinking that this is not a good plan,kjohnw said:
we could reduce our corporation tax rates to the lowest in Europe to make us attractive to foreign investment and subsidise our manufacturing industry to compete with Germany for starterswilliamglenn said:
Can you describe how you think No Deal would energise the economy?JoeJamesBroughton said:
Brtiain wants to be inspired.
I'm convinced the economy would be energised with No deal.0 -
A General Election is the only way out now . It has to be odds onrottenborough said:
May needs to be on her way to the palace by Monday.HYUFD said:
Letwin will do it by preferences next Monday if no majority on Wednesday Newsnight said, maybe AV, STV? If so BINO likely winnerGIN1138 said:OK MPs this is your moment. You think you can control Brexit better than the government fine. Lets see what you've got.
They hadn't better have done all this just to finish up not being able to agree anything on Wednesday...0 -
If Letwin is such a dangerous precedent, then May should call a GE. Simples.0
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Way out of what? What positions do the party's fight the election under?kjohnw said:
A General Election is the only way out nowrottenborough said:
May needs to be on her way to the palace by Monday.HYUFD said:
Letwin will do it by preferences next Monday if no majority on Wednesday Newsnight said, maybe AV, STV? If so BINO likely winnerGIN1138 said:OK MPs this is your moment. You think you can control Brexit better than the government fine. Lets see what you've got.
They hadn't better have done all this just to finish up not being able to agree anything on Wednesday...0 -
Dropping. Now 1.83.kjohnw said:
A General Election is the only way out now . It has to be odds onrottenborough said:
May needs to be on her way to the palace by Monday.HYUFD said:
Letwin will do it by preferences next Monday if no majority on Wednesday Newsnight said, maybe AV, STV? If so BINO likely winnerGIN1138 said:OK MPs this is your moment. You think you can control Brexit better than the government fine. Lets see what you've got.
They hadn't better have done all this just to finish up not being able to agree anything on Wednesday...
Just put another £5 on myself.0 -
That its easier to vote against 'one of them' rather than 'one of us' ?Pulpstar said:
My MP (Mann) seems to have voted against Letwin but abstained on Beckett. What's he saying there ?NickPalmer said:
Yes. I think the figures will be much the same, though.RochdalePioneers said:
Sure! They voted for an amendment to the government motion. Doesn't mean they will vote for the amended government motion...rottenborough said:I am lost. What is the main motion? Could this fall, in which case all the amendments are gone?
People who voted for Letwin and not Beckett presumably say that they want constructive alternatives to May's deal, but are not focused on stopping Brexit, even hard Brexit.0 -
Regarding your repeated use of "clean Brexit" I must refer you to this incisive political analysis from that fine 2004 tract "Mean Girls"dots said:The only leader that can replace May from this cabinet is one that chooses Clean Brexit over long delay. She’s there so long as she does that bidding.
That’s where the power and control lies. In the executive. When a putsch comes to shove that’s where the cabinet, government and party is. That’s where both the people and parliament voted. That’s where the law that needs to be overturned is. The only way to stop Clean Brexit is pass the WA.
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https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-rebate/britain-would-lose-eu-rebate-even-if-it-decided-to-ditch-brexit-eu-official-idUKKCN1MM1PV
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union’s budget chief Guenther Oettinger said on Friday Britain would lose its rebate even in the “pleasant but improbable” event of it staying in the bloc.0 -
They just expire next year instead. And I'm sure they're going to be very keen to keep them on going after this farce in the next round of budgetary negotiations.Richard_Nabavi said:
No we don't.TGOHF said:
When we revoke - we lose all rebates. Thanks Remainers...Danny565 said:
Will there be extra membership fees? I thought Mrs May's super-duper negotiating skills had ensured we'd be paying the full whack for the next two years, even if we were out of the EU, anyway.TGOHF said:Taxes are going to have to rise to pay the extra EU membership fees - may as well let Jezza raise em.
There really is no point in this government - let it fall.0 -
Oh good, a quick round of happy birthday.0
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So what was the actual final amended motion result?
OK just put up, 327-300,maj 270 -
Four MPs have already buggered-off to the bars.0
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There is no bill that can force the government to implement the commons indicative vote. The governing party can point to three far stronger and legitimate mandates, from voters in 2016 and 18, and from parliament itself making leaving EU UK law by massive majority and just drop the indicative vote in the bin.Sean_F said:
The problem, as I see it, is that the preferred outcome still falls well short of 326 votes, and promptly gets voted down, when the substantive motion is put.HYUFD said:Letwin amendment passes Newsnight saying could be huge.
The Commons will vote on Brexit first preferences on Wednesday then on Monday if no majority preferential voting to find a winner, then next Wednesday Letwin will introduce a Bill to force the Government to implement the Commons vote0 -
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By what mechanism do you see a general election being called?rottenborough said:
Dropping. Now 1.83.kjohnw said:
A General Election is the only way out now . It has to be odds onrottenborough said:
May needs to be on her way to the palace by Monday.HYUFD said:
Letwin will do it by preferences next Monday if no majority on Wednesday Newsnight said, maybe AV, STV? If so BINO likely winnerGIN1138 said:OK MPs this is your moment. You think you can control Brexit better than the government fine. Lets see what you've got.
They hadn't better have done all this just to finish up not being able to agree anything on Wednesday...
Just put another £5 on myself.0 -
There is so much wisdom in Mean Girls.viewcode said:
Regarding your repeated use of "clean Brexit" I must refer you to this incisive political analysis from that fine 2004 tract "Mean Girls"dots said:The only leader that can replace May from this cabinet is one that chooses Clean Brexit over long delay. She’s there so long as she does that bidding.
That’s where the power and control lies. In the executive. When a putsch comes to shove that’s where the cabinet, government and party is. That’s where both the people and parliament voted. That’s where the law that needs to be overturned is. The only way to stop Clean Brexit is pass the WA.
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Jezza mentions 2nd vote.
Gosh...0 -
Bercow's making friends0
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Bercow openly slagging off the Tory backbenchers now.0
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LOLHarris_Tweed said:“Hello.. is that the company that makes WTFometers? It’s the UK Parliament here. We’ve had one for the last 40 years - just in time for Sunny Jim wheeling dying MPs through the lobby. We had to get it recalibarated during the Maastricht Unpleasantness in the 90s, of course. But, well, the thing is, we have a government now which has seen the central plank of its policy die on its arse, twice, by three-figure majorities, then loses three ministers in a double-figure defeat over holding a Bring Your Policies To Work day - and still it’s in office. To cut a long story short, our WTFometer is now a pile of twisted metal and burning plastic, and we were wondering how much it would cost to upgrade?”
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Bercow: you're shit and you know you are0
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Theresa May calling one when the Commons votes for the "Common Market".AlastairMeeks said:
By what mechanism do you see a general election being called?rottenborough said:
Dropping. Now 1.83.kjohnw said:
A General Election is the only way out now . It has to be odds onrottenborough said:
May needs to be on her way to the palace by Monday.HYUFD said:
Letwin will do it by preferences next Monday if no majority on Wednesday Newsnight said, maybe AV, STV? If so BINO likely winnerGIN1138 said:OK MPs this is your moment. You think you can control Brexit better than the government fine. Lets see what you've got.
They hadn't better have done all this just to finish up not being able to agree anything on Wednesday...
Just put another £5 on myself.0 -
All it would take is a meaningful, credible move from the government to Labour’s position and leaving on 22nd May would be all but guaranteed. The PM can still deliver Brexit, but she will not countenance compromise because it will destroy her party. She is thwarting the will of the people.NickPalmer said:
Yes. I think the figures will be much the same, though.RochdalePioneers said:
Sure! They voted for an amendment to the government motion. Doesn't mean they will vote for the amended government motion...rottenborough said:I am lost. What is the main motion? Could this fall, in which case all the amendments are gone?
People who voted for Letwin and not Beckett presumably say that they want constructive alternatives to May's deal, but are not focused on stopping Brexit, even hard Brexit.
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It's totally counterproductive for them. The DUP have totally different priorities. Norway+ is a much better option than the deal for them.dixiedean said:
What the hell is this fetishisation of the DUP? Either the ERG climb down or they don't. What the drum bashes have to say is incidental.Scott_P said:And still they fight on...
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1110305145441710080
Do they take the DUP whip, or what?
It's totally counterproductive for the ERG. The DUP are on record as saying that UK-wide soft brexit is better than the deal.kle4 said:
In effect, yes. And boy howdy do the DUP love it. Too much, since there probably won't be a Tory government for much longer for them to lord it over, but they just cannot seem to help themselves stringing them along, no doubt demanding huge amounts behind the scenes, and generally acting like they don't care what happens because their seats are almost all safe.dixiedean said:
What the hell is this fetishisation of the DUP? Either the ERG climb down or they don't. What the drum bashes have to say is incidental.Scott_P said:And still they fight on...
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1110305145441710080
Do they take the DUP whip, or what?
Some ERG people want to climb down but are too embarrassed to do so without DUP cover. The DUP probably don't want want to be seen as the reason others climbed down, so want others to do it first.
He supports the dealPulpstar said:
My MP (Mann) seems to have voted against Letwin but abstained on Beckett. What's he saying there ?NickPalmer said:
Yes. I think the figures will be much the same, though.RochdalePioneers said:
Sure! They voted for an amendment to the government motion. Doesn't mean they will vote for the amended government motion...rottenborough said:I am lost. What is the main motion? Could this fall, in which case all the amendments are gone?
People who voted for Letwin and not Beckett presumably say that they want constructive alternatives to May's deal, but are not focused on stopping Brexit, even hard Brexit.0 -
I cannot think of another PM who has been so destroyed as May has and remained in office. She has now lost everything. It is 21st century Shakespeare - hubris and high haughtiness leading to humiliation and emasculation.0
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Give it to me. We have Conservatives recommending deficit spending, the ERG delivering no-Brexit because they genuinely prefer bitching to action, SeanT called Remainers patronising, and Oliver Fucking Letwin just launched a coup and won. Constipation will not be one of my problems.FrancisUrquhart said:I have a massive stockpile of bog roll, what am I going to do with it now that I won't need it?
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You don't understand our constitution. We are led by bills not "mandates". If a bill is passed it is the law.dots said:
There is no bill that can force the government to implement the commons indicative vote. The governing party can point to three far stronger and legitimate mandates, from voters in 2016 and 18, and from parliament itself making leaving EU UK law by massive majority and just drop the indicative vote in the bin.Sean_F said:
The problem, as I see it, is that the preferred outcome still falls well short of 326 votes, and promptly gets voted down, when the substantive motion is put.HYUFD said:Letwin amendment passes Newsnight saying could be huge.
The Commons will vote on Brexit first preferences on Wednesday then on Monday if no majority preferential voting to find a winner, then next Wednesday Letwin will introduce a Bill to force the Government to implement the Commons vote
Does proroguing Parliament require a vote of the Commons? I'm in the mood that I'd love to see May resign and prorogue Parliament 15 April and say "fine we're exiting no deal now you lot sort it out I'm off".0 -
Which people?SouthamObserver said:
All it would take is a meaningful, credible move from the government to Labour’s position and leaving on 22nd May would be all but guaranteed. The PM can still deliver Brexit, but she will not countenance compromise because it will destroy her party. She is thwarting the will of the people.NickPalmer said:
Yes. I think the figures will be much the same, though.RochdalePioneers said:
Sure! They voted for an amendment to the government motion. Doesn't mean they will vote for the amended government motion...rottenborough said:I am lost. What is the main motion? Could this fall, in which case all the amendments are gone?
People who voted for Letwin and not Beckett presumably say that they want constructive alternatives to May's deal, but are not focused on stopping Brexit, even hard Brexit.
He's bulletproof, he can do what he likes.solarflare said:Bercow's making friends
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Another minor riot in HoC over a Bercow comment about a past whip being crap.0
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So, are we looking at a long extension for a GE, or a long extension for a referendum?0
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Exactly!kle4 said:
Way out of what? What positions do the party's fight the election under?kjohnw said:
A General Election is the only way out nowrottenborough said:
May needs to be on her way to the palace by Monday.HYUFD said:
Letwin will do it by preferences next Monday if no majority on Wednesday Newsnight said, maybe AV, STV? If so BINO likely winnerGIN1138 said:OK MPs this is your moment. You think you can control Brexit better than the government fine. Lets see what you've got.
They hadn't better have done all this just to finish up not being able to agree anything on Wednesday...0 -
If the Commons indicative vote is Revoke, or Seond Referendum, I hope the government would resign at that point, and invite its opponents to form an alternative government.dots said:
There is no bill that can force the government to implement the commons indicative vote. The governing party can point to three far stronger and legitimate mandates, from voters in 2016 and 18, and from parliament itself making leaving EU UK law by massive majority and just drop the indicative vote in the bin.Sean_F said:
The problem, as I see it, is that the preferred outcome still falls well short of 326 votes, and promptly gets voted down, when the substantive motion is put.HYUFD said:Letwin amendment passes Newsnight saying could be huge.
The Commons will vote on Brexit first preferences on Wednesday then on Monday if no majority preferential voting to find a winner, then next Wednesday Letwin will introduce a Bill to force the Government to implement the Commons vote
If it's any form of (deliverable) Brexit, they should accept it.0 -
AlastairMeeks said:
By what mechanism do you see a general election being called?rottenborough said:
Dropping. Now 1.83.kjohnw said:
A General Election is the only way out now . It has to be odds onrottenborough said:
May needs to be on her way to the palace by Monday.HYUFD said:
Letwin will do it by preferences next Monday if no majority on Wednesday Newsnight said, maybe AV, STV? If so BINO likely winnerGIN1138 said:OK MPs this is your moment. You think you can control Brexit better than the government fine. Lets see what you've got.
They hadn't better have done all this just to finish up not being able to agree anything on Wednesday...
Just put another £5 on myself.
What is the point of the Conservative party if it is this wet, useless and poorly governed ?SouthamObserver said:
All it would take is a meaningful, credible move from the government to Labour’s position and leaving on 22nd May would be all but guaranteed. The PM can still deliver Brexit, but she will not countenance compromise because it will destroy her party. She is thwarting the will of the people.NickPalmer said:
Yes. I think the figures will be much the same, though.RochdalePioneers said:
Sure! They voted for an amendment to the government motion. Doesn't mean they will vote for the amended government motion...rottenborough said:I am lost. What is the main motion? Could this fall, in which case all the amendments are gone?
People who voted for Letwin and not Beckett presumably say that they want constructive alternatives to May's deal, but are not focused on stopping Brexit, even hard Brexit.
Let it die.0 -
No, as after preferences it will be over 326 votes.Sean_F said:
The problem, as I see it, is that the preferred outcome still falls well short of 326 votes, and promptly gets voted down, when the substantive motion is put.HYUFD said:Letwin amendment passes Newsnight saying could be huge.
The Commons will vote on Brexit first preferences on Wednesday then on Monday if no majority preferential voting to find a winner, then next Wednesday Letwin will introduce a Bill to force the Government to implement the Commons vote
The MV may never be put forward again, so it is now either BINO which the Commons likely votes for or as May made clear today we contest the EU Parliament elections and indefinite extension
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Stopping the precedent of HoC taking control of the executive might be reason enough.NorthofStoke said:
Exactly!kle4 said:
Way out of what? What positions do the party's fight the election under?kjohnw said:
A General Election is the only way out nowrottenborough said:
May needs to be on her way to the palace by Monday.HYUFD said:
Letwin will do it by preferences next Monday if no majority on Wednesday Newsnight said, maybe AV, STV? If so BINO likely winnerGIN1138 said:OK MPs this is your moment. You think you can control Brexit better than the government fine. Lets see what you've got.
They hadn't better have done all this just to finish up not being able to agree anything on Wednesday...
But she may feel also there is nothing remotely left to lose.0 -
I say the former.kle4 said:So, are we looking at a long extension for a GE, or a long extension for a referendum?
Pretty sure May would GE rather than PV.0 -
Read the actual article, don't stop at the summary. It says *Oettinger wants* to phase out the rebate.TGOHF said:https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-rebate/britain-would-lose-eu-rebate-even-if-it-decided-to-ditch-brexit-eu-official-idUKKCN1MM1PV
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union’s budget chief Guenther Oettinger said on Friday Britain would lose its rebate even in the “pleasant but improbable” event of it staying in the bloc.
He wanted to phase out the rebate already. The reason there's still a rebate is because is isn't up to him.0 -
I seem to recall that proroguing is a prerogative act of the CrownPhilip_Thompson said:
You don't understand our constitution. We are led by bills not "mandates". If a bill is passed it is the law.dots said:
There is no bill that can force the government to implement the commons indicative vote. The governing party can point to three far stronger and legitimate mandates, from voters in 2016 and 18, and from parliament itself making leaving EU UK law by massive majority and just drop the indicative vote in the bin.Sean_F said:
The problem, as I see it, is that the preferred outcome still falls well short of 326 votes, and promptly gets voted down, when the substantive motion is put.HYUFD said:Letwin amendment passes Newsnight saying could be huge.
The Commons will vote on Brexit first preferences on Wednesday then on Monday if no majority preferential voting to find a winner, then next Wednesday Letwin will introduce a Bill to force the Government to implement the Commons vote
Does proroguing Parliament require a vote of the Commons? I'm in the mood that I'd love to see May resign and prorogue Parliament 15 April and say "fine we're exiting no deal now you lot sort it out I'm off".0 -
Tory benches wetting their knickers now, everyone looking classy.0
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Not so:Philip_Thompson said:
They just expire next year instead. And I'm sure they're going to be very keen to keep them on going after this farce in the next round of budgetary negotiations.Richard_Nabavi said:
No we don't.TGOHF said:
When we revoke - we lose all rebates. Thanks Remainers...Danny565 said:
Will there be extra membership fees? I thought Mrs May's super-duper negotiating skills had ensured we'd be paying the full whack for the next two years, even if we were out of the EU, anyway.TGOHF said:Taxes are going to have to rise to pay the extra EU membership fees - may as well let Jezza raise em.
There really is no point in this government - let it fall.
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7886/CBP-7886.pdf
"As the rebate is included in the EU's regulation that determines Member states' contributions, it is essentially permanent: the regulation can only be changed if all Member States, including the UK, agree."
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I would counter-intuitively be quite upset by that. The main issue is not whether we Remain or Leave, but whether we can govern ourselves in a rational manner: set a goal, do a plan, execute the steps, complete task. Millions of people do this in their everyday lives every day. What makes MPs think they are exempt from this?AndyJS said:I wonder if we could see No Deal supporters decide they prefer Remain to Mrs May's Deal.
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You can win a GE with 40 odd %, it gets thumped in a two way referendum and the effect on the Tories is much the same.rottenborough said:
I say the former.kle4 said:So, are we looking at a long extension for a GE, or a long extension for a referendum?
Pretty sure May would GE rather than PV.0 -
Keep going. Do you see her trying to get two thirds of the Commons to vote for it? Because if Parliament is that out of her control why would it comply?Danny565 said:
Theresa May calling one when the Commons votes for the "Common Market".AlastairMeeks said:
By what mechanism do you see a general election being called?rottenborough said:
Dropping. Now 1.83.kjohnw said:
A General Election is the only way out now . It has to be odds onrottenborough said:
May needs to be on her way to the palace by Monday.HYUFD said:
Letwin will do it by preferences next Monday if no majority on Wednesday Newsnight said, maybe AV, STV? If so BINO likely winnerGIN1138 said:OK MPs this is your moment. You think you can control Brexit better than the government fine. Lets see what you've got.
They hadn't better have done all this just to finish up not being able to agree anything on Wednesday...
Just put another £5 on myself.0 -
Do you truly believe that Corbyn wants to strike a deal with the government over Brexit?SouthamObserver said:
All it would take is a meaningful, credible move from the government to Labour’s position and leaving on 22nd May would be all but guaranteed. The PM can still deliver Brexit, but she will not countenance compromise because it will destroy her party. She is thwarting the will of the people.NickPalmer said:
Yes. I think the figures will be much the same, though.RochdalePioneers said:
Sure! They voted for an amendment to the government motion. Doesn't mean they will vote for the amended government motion...rottenborough said:I am lost. What is the main motion? Could this fall, in which case all the amendments are gone?
People who voted for Letwin and not Beckett presumably say that they want constructive alternatives to May's deal, but are not focused on stopping Brexit, even hard Brexit.0 -
Good plan. I see the LGW to Marrakesh flight is nearly over Portugal now.Benpointer said:Four MPs have already buggered-off to the bars.
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The tragedy is deeper I think.SouthamObserver said:I cannot think of another PM who has been so destroyed as May has and remained in office. She has now lost everything. It is 21st century Shakespeare - hubris and high haughtiness leading to humiliation and emasculation.
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If MP's abstain, rather than switching their votes, the winning option can fall well short of 326.HYUFD said:
No, as after preferences it will be over 326 votes.Sean_F said:
The problem, as I see it, is that the preferred outcome still falls well short of 326 votes, and promptly gets voted down, when the substantive motion is put.HYUFD said:Letwin amendment passes Newsnight saying could be huge.
The Commons will vote on Brexit first preferences on Wednesday then on Monday if no majority preferential voting to find a winner, then next Wednesday Letwin will introduce a Bill to force the Government to implement the Commons vote
The MV may never be put forward again, so it is now either BINO which the Commons likely votes for or as May made clear today we contest the EU Parliament elections and indefinite extension0 -
Jess Phillips always on telly nowadays. On manouvres me thinks.0
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Because the executive sets the policy under the threat of being sackedGallowgate said:I said this in an earlier thread but how is this a dangerous precedent? A minority government can always be threatened with the threat of a VONC. How is this any different? If there was a functioning coalition or majority government, none of this would be a problem.
Under this “innovation” it’ll be government by committee
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I can't get over how young Lindsay Lohan looks. Then I realise "Mean Girls" was fifteen years agoOnlyLivingBoy said:
There is so much wisdom in Mean Girls.viewcode said:
Regarding your repeated use of "clean Brexit" I must refer you to this incisive political analysis from that fine 2004 tract "Mean Girls"dots said:The only leader that can replace May from this cabinet is one that chooses Clean Brexit over long delay. She’s there so long as she does that bidding.
That’s where the power and control lies. In the executive. When a putsch comes to shove that’s where the cabinet, government and party is. That’s where both the people and parliament voted. That’s where the law that needs to be overturned is. The only way to stop Clean Brexit is pass the WA.
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Bill Cash just said it is a revolution.Charles said:
Because the executive sets the policy under the threat of being sackedGallowgate said:I said this in an earlier thread but how is this a dangerous precedent? A minority government can always be threatened with the threat of a VONC. How is this any different? If there was a functioning coalition or majority government, none of this would be a problem.
Under this “innovation” it’ll be government by committee
Bercow did not demur.
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viewcode said:
I can't get over how young Lindsay Lohan looks. Then I realise "Mean Girls" was fifteen years agoOnlyLivingBoy said:
There is so much wisdom in Mean Girls.viewcode said:
Regarding your repeated use of "clean Brexit" I must refer you to this incisive political analysis from that fine 2004 tract "Mean Girls"dots said:The only leader that can replace May from this cabinet is one that chooses Clean Brexit over long delay. She’s there so long as she does that bidding.
That’s where the power and control lies. In the executive. When a putsch comes to shove that’s where the cabinet, government and party is. That’s where both the people and parliament voted. That’s where the law that needs to be overturned is. The only way to stop Clean Brexit is pass the WA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pubd-spHN-0
Bear in mind that 2004 bananas have aged better than 2004 Lohan.0 -
Oh poor luvs the ERG are all panicking !0
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It’s not as simple as that Thomo. I know how it works very well 😁Philip_Thompson said:
You don't understand our constitution. We are led by bills not "mandates". If a bill is passed it is the law.dots said:
There is no bill that can force the government to implement the commons indicative vote. The governing party can point to three far stronger and legitimate mandates, from voters in 2016 and 18, and from parliament itself making leaving EU UK law by massive majority and just drop the indicative vote in the bin.Sean_F said:
The problem, as I see it, is that the preferred outcome still falls well short of 326 votes, and promptly gets voted down, when the substantive motion is put.HYUFD said:Letwin amendment passes Newsnight saying could be huge.
The Commons will vote on Brexit first preferences on Wednesday then on Monday if no majority preferential voting to find a winner, then next Wednesday Letwin will introduce a Bill to force the Government to implement the Commons vote
Does proroguing Parliament require a vote of the Commons? I'm in the mood that I'd love to see May resign and prorogue Parliament 15 April and say "fine we're exiting no deal now you lot sort it out I'm off".0 -
Who's being a mean girl now? I think that counts as word vomit.Drutt said:viewcode said:
I can't get over how young Lindsay Lohan looks. Then I realise "Mean Girls" was fifteen years agoOnlyLivingBoy said:
There is so much wisdom in Mean Girls.viewcode said:
Regarding your repeated use of "clean Brexit" I must refer you to this incisive political analysis from that fine 2004 tract "Mean Girls"dots said:The only leader that can replace May from this cabinet is one that chooses Clean Brexit over long delay. She’s there so long as she does that bidding.
That’s where the power and control lies. In the executive. When a putsch comes to shove that’s where the cabinet, government and party is. That’s where both the people and parliament voted. That’s where the law that needs to be overturned is. The only way to stop Clean Brexit is pass the WA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pubd-spHN-0
Bear in mind that 2004 bananas have aged better than 2004 Lohan.0 -
TGOHF said:
When we revoke - we lose all rebates. Thanks Remainers...Danny565 said:
Will there be extra membership fees? I thought Mrs May's super-duper negotiating skills had ensured we'd be paying the full whack for the next two years, even if we were out of the EU, anyway.TGOHF said:Taxes are going to have to rise to pay the extra EU membership fees - may as well let Jezza raise em.
There really is no point in this government - let it fall.
Are you feeling quite well?😨Foxy said:
Still the sexyist in the House of Lords though, with her bedroom eyes and soft come hither voice.FrancisUrquhart said:
And for a while David Davis was best buds with her....hmmm...Cyclefree said:
Only by people who didn’t know what she was really like. She had trashed what was left of her reputation long before joining Labour. Remember the LSE and Ghadaffi or her failure to stand up for Wilders when he was unlawfully kept out of the country. She had about as much understanding of human rights as my cat.El_Capitano said:
I remember when Shami Chakrabarti was widely respected. It seems like a long time ago.Floater said:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6847147/Labour-splits-Brexit-exposed-Peoples-Vote-march.html
Well at least shameless in honest
Shami Chakrabarti insisted a second referendum had 'never been our preference'.0
